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Robert is doing something stupid but he claims to be immortal while doing this. Explain.
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Is he in physical danger doing what he is doing?
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Does he actually think he's immortal while doing this thing?
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Lynne:
Is he in physical danger doing what he is doing? no

Bentarm:
Does he actually think he's immortal while doing this thing? yes
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Does he only feel immortal when doing this thing?
Does he do it in order to feel immortal?
Has someone else made the claim that this will make him immortal?
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Congratulation for 3333 posts, Lynne! I'll soon be at 666...

Does he only feel immortal when doing this thing? yes
Does he do it in order to feel immortal? yes
Has someone else made the claim that this will make him immortal? yope
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I didn't notice!
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Is Robert Deluded?
Is Robert a child?
Is Robert Muslim?
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So the immortality comes and goes? "You can live for ever - until you can't any longer"
Religion involved?
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Beroean:
Is Robert Deluded? yesish
Is Robert a child? no
Is Robert Muslim? irrelevant

Lynne:
So the immortality comes and goes? yes
"You can live for ever - until you can't any longer" yesish
Religion involved? no
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Drugs involved?
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Drugs involved? noish
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Illness involved?
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Illness involved? yesish

Sorry for the ishs
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Alcohol involved?
Brain damage?
Mental Illness?
Anything apparently supernatural?
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Would this be something a Community Psychiatric Nurse deal with? :-)
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Alcohol involved? no
Brain damage? no
Mental Illness? a bit of this
Anything apparently supernatural? no

Would this be something a Community Psychiatric Nurse deal with? :-) Perhaps.
I wonder if anyone apart from Simon will be able to solve this puzzle...
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Is he living an otherwise normal life? i.e. not in a hospital or institution? (what's normal anyway?)
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Is he living an otherwise normal life? yes i.e. not in a hospital or institution? correct (what's normal anyway?) I would say he does something stupid, thinks to be immortal while doing this but otherwise he is perfectly normal.
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Is it a physical activity?
Mental one?
Trying to fly?
Levitate?
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Is it a physical activity? yes
Mental one? no
Trying to fly? no
Levitate? no
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Does the release of endorphins give him this illusion?
Does it involve moving his body forward (running, jogging, walking)
Weight bearing?
Acts of strength? - tugging tractors etc
Fighting - boxing wrestling etc
Water based - swimming, diving, snorkelling?
Yoga-like - sticking his legs behind his ears?
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Does the release of endorphins give him this illusion? no
Does it involve moving his body forward yope (running, jogging, walking yesish to those three)
Weight bearing? no
Acts of strength? - tugging tractors etc no
Fighting - boxing wrestling etc no
Water based - swimming, diving, snorkelling? no
Yoga-like - sticking his legs behind his ears? no
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Has he had a special cereal for breakfast on a Monday morning, and yomps off to work thinking he can conquer the world? (Until he gets to the office and finds the coffee machine out of order AGAIN.)
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When you say "immortal", do you mean "unable to be killed"? Or that he actually believes that he's going to live for ever?
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Lynne:
Has he had a special cereal for breakfast on a Monday morning, and yomps off to work thinking he can conquer the world? (Until he gets to the office and finds the coffee machine out of order AGAIN.) no

Bentarm:
When you say "immortal", do you mean "unable to be killed"? no Or that he actually believes that he's going to live for ever? yes, but he believes it only while doing the thing
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Does his physical activity involve any objects?
Does he do it at a particular time of day, week or year?
Does he move far when he does it?
Does it involve talking/singing?
Is he singing 'I'm gonna live forever'?
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Does his physical activity involve any objects? yes
Does he do it at a particular time of day, week or year? no
Does he move far when he does it? no
Does it involve talking/singing? no
Is he singing 'I'm gonna live forever'? No though it might be exactly as helpful as what he does.
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Does he pick up the objects? (One object or more?) Juggle them?
Change them somehow?
Does he do this tongue in cheek or does he really believe it?
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Does he pick up the objects? (One object or more? one object) Juggle them? Change them somehow? no to these
Does he do this tongue in cheek or does he really believe it? the latter
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Is relativity relevant?
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Self hypnosis?
Tightrope walker?
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Mosquito:
Is relativity relevant? The relativity of Einstein? no

Sunshine:
Self hypnosis? no
Tightrope walker? no
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Does he believe that he is not immortal when he is not doing whatever he does?
Does something happen that makes him think that he has returned to being mortal?
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Does he believe that he is not immortal when he is not doing whatever he does? yope
Does something happen that makes him think that he has returned to being mortal? yes but "something happens" might be misleading
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When he believes he is immortal, does he believe that his body cannot be destroyed? His heart cannot cease, etc.?
Or is this a belief that has to do with the soul or something similar?

does he believe he is resistant to one specific type of peril? does it include all risks to the flesh?
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When he believes he is immortal, does he believe that his body cannot be destroyed? noish His heart cannot cease, etc.? yesish
Or is this a belief that has to do with the soul or something similar? no

does he believe he is resistant to one specific type of peril? no does it include all risks to the flesh? noish

Sorry about the vague answers about his believe in immortality. Obviously, there is a certain weak point in his reasoning you will find out later. At this stage it might be better to pursue with some standard questions.
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some obscure statistics involved? or a common belief? (like, nobody ever died while ...)
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some obscure statistics involved? noish or a common belief? yes (though I am not sure if it is very common) (like, nobody ever died while ... but no to this)
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From where does he get this idea that he can achieve temporary immortality? Book? Some other form of literature? Movie? Family? Friends? Enemies? Superstition? Has someone put this idea in his head as a joke and he takes it seriously?
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Firewalking? Or something like?

This kinda goes against what you said in a previous post, and I quote : "Is he in physical danger doing what he is doing? no"

But scientifically a person who knew what he was doing wouldn't get burnt if he ensured that he walked on the hot coals/metal briskly without pause. Anyway sorry if im on the wrong track.
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Welcome Obaone!
From where does he get this idea that he can achieve temporary immortality?
Book? Some other form of literature? Movie? no to these
Family? Friends? Enemies? no to these but he does get the idea from a person
Superstition? no
Has someone put this idea in his head as a joke and he takes it seriously? noish but on the right track

Welcome Noobdogg!
Firewalking? Or something like? no to these

This kinda goes against what you said in a previous post, and I quote : "Is he in physical danger doing what he is doing? no" Indeed, he is not in danger.

But scientifically a person who knew what he was doing wouldn't get burnt if he ensured that he walked on the hot coals/metal briskly without pause. In fact there are no special skills like walking on fire involved.
Anyway sorry if im on the wrong track. No problem that you were on the wrong track this time. In a way solving puzzles is ruling out all the wrong tracks.
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Thanks Tobasi, really having a blast here!

I remember a story about how a father gives his son a baseball bat saying it's magical and will only hit home runs. The confident son uses the bat and hits a home run, and attributes the success to the bat. But the father tells him after the game that the bat is ordinary.

So maybe someone told this poor guy that he is in some way shielded from death if he does what he is doing, but the whole thing was innocuously funny and did not put him in any danger?

I'm guessing since he is in no danger, the thing he is doing is stupid because he looks stupid doing it. No other reason?
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Thanks Tobasi, really having a blast here! Pleased to hear that

I remember a story about how a father gives his son a baseball bat saying it's magical and will only hit home runs. The confident son uses the bat and hits a home run, and attributes the success to the bat. But the father tells him after the game that the bat is ordinary.

So maybe someone told this poor guy that he is in some way shielded from death if he does what he is doing, but the whole thing was innocuously funny and did not put him in any danger? no

I'm guessing since he is in no danger, the thing he is doing is stupid because he looks stupid doing it. No other reason? Correct the thing he does looks stupid nothing more nothing less.
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is time involved?
is he doing something that makes it appear that time is standing still?

It's a physical activity, but not weight-bearing...
is he riding something?
being carried by something?
Sitting on something?
suspended in something (ie water)?

Is the object involved inanimate?
Does it have moving parts?
Does he use the object for it's intended purpose?
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is time involved? yes
is he doing something that makes it appear that time is standing still? no

It's a physical activity, but not weight-bearing...
is he riding something?
being carried by something?
Sitting on something?
suspended in something (ie water)? no to those

Is the object involved inanimate? no
Does it have moving parts? yes
Does he use the object for it's intended purpose? no
Good questions.
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is the object alive?
an animal?
a plant?
or not alive, but can move?

is time involved in the activity itself? or just that he performs the action for a certain period of time?
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is the object a timepiece?
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Suido:
is the object alive? no
an animal? no
a plant? no
or not alive, but can move? yes

is time involved in the activity itself? no or just that he performs the action for a certain period of time? yes but time is involved in another way too

Obaone:
is the object a timepiece? no
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does the whole object move?
or only part(s) of the object?
does it require a human to activate it?
manipulate it?
control it?

does it require electricity to move? batteries?
is there some sort of timer/timing device in/on the object?

does his perceived immortality stem from his perceptions of time while doing the activity?
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does the whole object move? no
or only part(s) of the object? yes, parts
does it require a human to activate it? yes
manipulate it? yesish
control it? yesish

does it require electricity to move? yes batteries? no, in general not
is there some sort of timer/timing device in/on the object? noish

does his perceived immortality stem from his perceptions of time while doing the activity? noish
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Did he witness someone else performing this activity and misjudge that it brought about immortailty?
If yes, is the identity of the other person relevant?

Does the object plug in? Is he using it for its intended purpose? Is it a common? household item? Is it a perpetual motion machine? A windmill?

thanks for the welcome. fun puzzle :-)
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Did he witness someone else performing this activity and misjudge that it brought about immortailty? no
If yes, is the identity of the other person relevant? n/a

Does the object plug in? noish Is he using it for its intended purpose? no Is it a common household item? no Is it a perpetual motion machine? no A windmill? no

thanks for the welcome. fun puzzle :-) glad you like
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is frequency of the action relevant? daily? hourly? other relevant frequency?

does he decide to initiate this action or is it a reaction to other stimuli?
is there any "reasoning" to when he decides to do this?


is the reason for initiating the action to achieve the feeling?
or is there another reason to do this action and the immortal feeling just comes along with it?
relevant location where he does this?

any sounds relevant? does he use his voice? make any relevant sounds?
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is frequency of the action relevant? You mean how often he does this? That is not really relevant.
daily? probably daily hourly? other relevant frequency?

does he decide to initiate this action yes or is it a reaction to other stimuli? in a way also this
is there any "reasoning" to when he decides to do this? yes (if I understand you right)

is the reason for initiating the action to achieve the feeling? yes
or is there another reason to do this action and the immortal feeling just comes along with it? no
relevant location where he does this? yes

any sounds relevant? does he use his voice? make any relevant sounds? no to these
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location..
indoors?
outdoors?
public place?
private residence?
any 'ish' of vehicle?

does he want to be seen? not want to be seen?
does he always use the same exact location?
if yes is there a logical reason?
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Does he think it stops time in any way?
Or does he think it is a timemachine?
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Sixtyeight:
location..
indoors? yes
outdoors? no
public place? yes
private residence? no
any 'ish' of vehicle? The object is somewhat related to vehicles.

does he want to be seen? irrelevant not want to be seen? irrelevant
does he always use the same exact location? no
if yes is there a logical reason? n/a

Noobdogg:
Does he think it stops time in any way? no
Or does he think it is a timemachine? no
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Is it a treadmill?
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Is it a treadmill? no but on the right track
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is it a escalator? one of those people mover things at the airport?
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is it a escalator? yes
one of those people mover things at the airport? no, not such a thing on one level
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So, when Robert is in the mood to feel immortal, he finds the nearest escalator and does something stupid. In doing that he has a feeling of immortality?

will logic be any kind of tool to link a feeling of immortality to Robert's action?

does he put his feet on the treads of the escalator?
does he go the wrong way on a moving escalator?
is the motion detecting device relevant? I'm thinking of the kind which detects a passenger and then powers up?
is the escalator's power timing out relevant?
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So, when Robert is in the mood to feel immortal, he finds the nearest escalator and does something stupid. In doing that he has a feeling of immortality? yes

will logic be any kind of tool to link a feeling of immortality to Robert's action? yes there is logic involved in the link (was this your question?)

does he put his feet on the treads of the escalator? yes
does he go the wrong way on a moving escalator? yes
is the motion detecting device relevant? no I'm thinking of the kind which detects a passenger and then powers up? irrelevant
is the escalator's power timing out relevant? no
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Long shot --> Does he think the escalator is a stairway to heaven that he is successfully not going up because he is walking the opposite way? Hence he is immortal?
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Long shot --> Does he think the escalator is a stairway to heaven that he is successfully not going up because he is walking the opposite way? no Hence he is immortal? no

No, this puzzle is not about religion. But indeed, the title "It makes me wonder" was a hint to the song "Stairway to heaven". The song title in turn describes a bit what he does: using an escalator to be immortal. Anyway, you found out this part of the puzzle without using the hint.
Now, why does he believe to be immortal on the escalator?
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Is he walking the wrong way on the elevator slower than the stairs are moving? same speed? faster? (either he appears to stay in one place, or he's moving with or opposite to the escalator's progress) Is this relevant at all?


Yeah in retrospect, should have dwelled a bit on the title :-)

This reminded me of one of my favourite comedian's jokes...

"I like an escalator, man, 'cause an escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. There would never be an "Escalator Temporarily Out of Order" sign, only "Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the Convenience." " - Mitch Hedburg

RIP Mitch, we still get you.
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Is he walking the wrong way on the elevator slower than the stairs are moving? same speed? this faster? (either he appears to stay in one place and thus this, or he's moving with or opposite to the escalator's progress) Is this relevant at all? a little


Yeah in retrospect, should have dwelled a bit on the title :-) "Is the title relevant?" is one of the frequently asked questions on this forum...

This reminded me of one of my favourite comedian's jokes...

"I like an escalator, man, 'cause an escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. There would never be an "Escalator Temporarily Out of Order" sign, only "Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the Convenience." " - Mitch Hedburg

RIP Mitch, we still get you.
nice escalator joke
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Is it relevant where the escalator is? If so, a shopping mall? the airport? an office building? a musuem?

Is it relevant whether the escalator is moving up or down?

Is there something more to Robert? I couldn't find any questions about him sorry if i'm repeating any...
H? a? m?
Is he visually impaired? hearing impaired? schizophrenic? mentally or physically challenged?
Is he simply walking or doing something else as well?
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Is it relevant where the escalator is? If so, a shopping mall? the airport? an office building? a musuem? irrelevant to these

Is it relevant whether the escalator is moving up or down? Yes and to save some time it is moving down, he is walking upstairs.

Is there something more to Robert? I couldn't find any questions about him sorry if i'm repeating any... Indeed there were few questions about Robert, at the time being he might be a dog...
H? a? m? But he is human, male and adult.
Is he visually impaired? hearing impaired? schizophrenic? mentally or physically challenged?
A little bit of all of these except schizophrenic. This is about everything you need to know about Robert.
Is he simply walking or doing something else as well? simply walking
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Robert is climbing up an escalator that is moving down. Being sensory-impaired, he thinks he is climbing up a flight of stairs.

So far so good?
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Robert is climbing up an escalator that is moving down. yes
Being sensory-impaired, he thinks he is climbing up a flight of stairs. no

So far so good? see above
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is there any more description of how he feels other than "immortal"?
other relevant words to describe what he is going through?
is there a more accurate word for his feeling?
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is there any more description of how he feels other than "immortal"?
other relevant words to describe what he is going through?
is there a more accurate word for his feeling?
No to these, immortal is the most appropriate word. You could only say that while doing this he believes that something happens to him.
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does something more still need to be discovered about "time"?
does he need a watch or clock when he goes on the escalator?
how about before? after?

the first time robert did this, did he decide that he needed to me immortal for the moment, then came up with the idea of the escalator?

or was he going up the down escalator and then discovered this phenomenon?

did a living person give him any idea? a H? A? M?

is his proof that he is immortal .. because he doesn't die while doing it?
escalator safety relevant?
does he ever think he is going up when he is actually walking in place?
does he get off the escalator when the feeling is gone?
relevant why he stops the stupid behavior?

is any misunderstanding relevant? misinterpretation? poor translation?
does he think only he can experience this method of phenomenon?

occupation relevant? any factors of lifestyle?
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does something more still need to be discovered about "time"? yes but you shouldn't concentrate on it
does he need a watch or clock when he goes on the escalator? how about before? after? no to these

the first time robert did this, did he decide that he needed to me immortal for the moment, then came up with the idea of the escalator? Yes but he rather "wanted" than "needed" to be immortal and there is something more.

or was he going up the down escalator and then discovered this phenomenon? no

did a living person give him any idea? a H? A? M? yes to all

is his proof that he is immortal .. because he doesn't die while doing it? no
escalator safety relevant? no
does he ever think he is going up when he is actually walking in place? no
does he get off the escalator when the feeling is gone? f. A.
relevant why he stops the stupid behavior? yesish

is any misunderstanding relevant? no misinterpretation? yesish poor translation? no
does he think only he can experience this method of phenomenon? please rephrase

occupation relevant? yope any factors of lifestyle? noish
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Would Robert reccommend to someone else to do this thing so that they can feel immortal?
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Is anything more specific about the time period relevant besides "sometime since escalators have been in use"?
Is this scenario based on a true story? or have you made it up?
Does it have to do with the fact that his heart rate would be elevated while trying to keep up with the escalator?
Was he inspired when he saw the other H. A. M. use the escalator? Was the other character using it in the manner which it was intended? Does the glowy light where the tread dissapears have anything to do with it?
Is there always another excalator beside Robert's that is carring folks upward? Does Robert know what escalators are supposed to be used for? or does he think everyone else is doing it wrong?
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Sixtyeight:
Would Robert reccommend to someone else to do this thing so that they can feel immortal? yes

Obaone:
Is anything more specific about the time period relevant besides "sometime since escalators have been in use"? No, it is as you say.
Is this scenario based on a true story? or have you made it up? I made it up but it is realistic.
Does it have to do with the fact that his heart rate would be elevated while trying to keep up with the escalator? no
Was he inspired when he saw the other H. A. M. use the escalator? yes
Was the other character using it in the manner which it was intended? yes or irrelevant
Does the glowy light where the tread dissapears have anything to do with it? no
Is there always another excalator beside Robert's that is carring folks upward? irrelevant
Does Robert know what escalators are supposed to be used for? yes
or does he think everyone else is doing it wrong? no
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Is whatever he is suffering from a temporary ailment or something he is permanently challenged by?

Is his immortality theory a literal one or a metaphorical or abstract reasoning?
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Is whatever he is suffering from a temporary ailment or something he is permanently challenged by? Well he is not suffering but his slight handicaps are permanent.

Is his immortality theory a literal one or a metaphorical or abstract reasoning? A mixture between literal and abstract reasoning I would say.
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does stupid only refer to the fact that he is walking the wrong way on an escalator? or is there something more?

are the slight handicaps relevant to his desire to feel immortal?
is he doing anything relevant with his hands?

is it something to do with breaking rules? defying authority?
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does stupid only refer to the fact that he is walking the wrong way on an escalator? or is there something more? There are two stupid aspects of his behaviour:
He is walking the wrong way on an escalator.
There is weak point in his reasoning that this makes him immortal.


are the slight handicaps relevant to his desire to feel immortal? Not really, they only come along with a simple fact about Robert that hasn't been found out yet.
is he doing anything relevant with his hands? no

is it something to do with breaking rules? no
defying authority? no
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Is he very old?
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Is he very old? He is old that's the thing I was waiting for. The exact age is irrelevant though.
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Is he senile? Has short-term memory loss got anything to do with this?

I think I need to go re-learn physics but is it comparatively easier to do what he's doing than to walk up an actual flight of stairs, giving him the illusion that he is fitter in some way?
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does he like something about the fact he is walking/exercising but not going anywhere? or if he doesn't like it, is it relevant in any way? does it make him feel like hes not exercising at all?
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Noobdogg:
Is he senile? yesish Has short-term memory loss got anything to do with this? no

I think I need to go re-learn physics but is it comparatively easier to do what he's doing than to walk up an actual flight of stairs, giving him the illusion that he is fitter in some way? No

damia:
does he like something about the fact he is walking/exercising but not going anywhere? or if he doesn't like it, is it relevant in any way?
irrelevant to these two
does it make him feel like hes not exercising at all? no

Perhaps you shouldn't concentrate only on Robert.
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Is he doing anything besides walking?
When you said an object was involved, anything other than the escalator?
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Is he doing anything besides walking? no
When you said an object was involved, anything other than the escalator? no
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I'm stumped :-(
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do we need to find out more about the previously mentioned guy that inspired the act?
someone else?


quote:

does he get off the escalator when the feeling is gone? f. A.




lets dissect this FA..
is anything relevant about getting off the escalator?
does the immortal feeling subside?
anything relevant about ending this "stupid" act?
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do we need to find out more about the previously mentioned guy that inspired the act? yes absolutely
someone else? no

quote:
does he get off the escalator when the feeling is gone? f. A.

lets dissect this FA..
is anything relevant about getting off the escalator? no
does the immortal feeling subside? yes
anything relevant about ending this "stupid" act? not really

The f. A. was that the feeling of immortality would end while he is on the escalator. In fact, this feeling stays a bit after he has left the elevator.
Anyway this is less relevant than the previously mentioned guy.
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was the person who told him this
related to him?
a friend?
a colleague?
male?
older?
a physical fitness specialist?

Is the feeling of immortality to do with raised heart rate?
raised respiratory rate?
adrenalin?
other effect(s) of physical exercise?

Does Robert have a pacemaker?
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was the person who told him this
related to him? no (not from his family)
a friend? no
a colleague? no
male? irrelevant
older? no
a physical fitness specialist? yes for svv of physical fitness specialists

Is the feeling of immortality to do with raised heart rate? no
raised respiratory rate? no
adrenalin? no
other effect(s) of physical exercise? yes

Does Robert have a pacemaker? irr

You are getting closer!
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He (thinks) it makes time stand still? And then the endorphins make him happy?
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He (thinks) it makes time stand still? in a way
And then the endorphins make him happy? irr
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Was the person his doctor?
Did he give him an exaggerated piece of advice, like "Every flight of stairs you walk up, increases your lifespan by a minute"?
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Was the person his doctor? yes
Did he give him an exaggerated piece of advice, like "Every flight of stairs you walk up, increases your lifespan by a minute"? yes

Well done, $poiler to follow.
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------------------ SPOILER ------------------

Robert is getting a bit long in the tooth. His doctor suggest him to do more sports in particular to walk the stairs instead of taking the lift. According to him, every step you make increases your lifetime by five seconds. Robert has full confidence in his doctor so he concludes that it is impossible to die while you are climbing stairs. Since he lives in a bungalow he goes to a nearby shopping centre to ascend the descending escalator. He believes to be immortal while doing this (and a short time afterwards).


Sorry, if this puzzle was a bit silly but I think it was clear right from the start. Thanks to everyone for joining this puzzle, until next time!

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