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Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess they do have to change it now.
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'I' means you (Eli)? or someone else is speaking?
they - humans? adult?
change - alter? switch (like clothes)?
it - something tangible? information?

title relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:09 pm:

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'I' means you (Eli)? or someone else is speaking? It's me speaking
they - humans? adult? Yes, but 'they' is here use more in a general sense, not someone spesific
change - alter? Yes switch (like clothes)? Not this
it - something tangible? information? No to both

title relevant? Might be helpful after a while, determining the nature of 'it'
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is something wrong with it?
has something occurred to bring about this need to change it?
does it have to be changed urgently? should it be changed urgently?
is this just your opinion that it should be changed, or is there quantifiable evidence that it has to be changed?
will it be changed?

are 'they' the people who can change 'it'?
owners?
administrators?
aides?
inventors?
discoverers?
is 'their' relationship to 'it' relevant?
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:29 pm:
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is something wrong with it? It's just not accurate anymore
has something occurred to bring about this need to change it? Not really, just that new information has arisen
does it have to be changed urgently? should it be changed urgently? No to both
is this just your opinion that it should be changed, or is there quantifiable evidence that it has to be changed? Hmm, tricky. It's my opinion and a few more, but quantifiable? Not sure about that.
will it be changed? Can't imagine it ever will.

are 'they' the people who can change 'it'? No
owners?
administrators?
aides?
inventors?
discoverers?
is 'their' relationship to 'it' relevant? Not really
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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is this something that was said or thought affter thinking "they don't have to change it"?

or would it before have had to be changed by "he"? "we"? I?
has it been changed before?
relevant people in the puzzle other than you..
1? 2? 3? more? 1 group? more? other designation of persons?
any relevant ocupations?
sunburn relevant?
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Something to do with the ratings on sunblock, like SP5, etc.?

Weather reports?
Eli (Eli)
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Sixtyeight
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 1:06 pm:
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is this something that was said or thought affter thinking "they don't have to change it"? No

or would it before have had to be changed by "he"? "we"? I? No
has it been changed before? Not as far as I know
relevant people in the puzzle other than you..
1? 2? 3? more? 1 group? more? other designation of persons? Number is not relevant. 'They' who are not anyone spesific, would of course be more than one. The others that also think 'it' should be changed, are not relevant either, just some discussions I found on the net.
any relevant ocupations? No-ish.
sunburn relevant? No

Noobdogg
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Something to do with the ratings on sunblock, like SP5, etc.? No

Weather reports? No
~damia~ (~damia~)
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is it something like a saying? phrase? folk lore?
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Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 3:34 pm:
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is it something like a saying? This phrase? folk lore?
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So it's a saying that has since become archaic, or not relevant anymore?

All that's left is to identify the saying?

Or is there more to explore?
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is it a saying about women/feminism? work? a hobby? is it some kind of simile? is it something from the bible? shakespeare? a famous book/poem/play?
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Noobdogg
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So it's a saying that has since become archaic, or not relevant anymore? Not really, it's still in use. But there is "evidence" that it might not be correct.

All that's left is to identify the saying? No, see next answer

Or is there more to explore? Yes, find the saying and then to explore why it seems inaccurate to me and some other people.

~damia~
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 5:27 pm:
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is it a saying about women/feminism? work? a hobby? No to all is it some kind of simile? No is it something from the bible? It's not from the bible, but it has a religious connection shakespeare? a famous book/poem/play? No to both
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religious connection -
christian?
muslim?
judaism?
buddhism?
shinto?
paganism?

does the saying contain the word 'god'?

does the saying express some sort of feeling/emotion?
if so, would you say it
when relieved?
when surprised?
when happy?
when sad?
when worried?
when amused?
when confused?
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 5:11 am:
-------------------------------------------------religious connection - You caught me there. The religious concept mentioned in the saying exists in Christianity. And I would say in Judadism and Islam as well. Maybe not in Buddhism, as I think they don't recognize any gods. For paganism I wouldn't be sure at all.
christian?
muslim?
judaism?
buddhism?
shinto?
paganism?

does the saying contain the word 'god'? No

does the saying express some sort of feeling/emotion? Tricky, but not really. And definitely not one of those listed below.
if so, would you say it
when relieved?
when surprised?
when happy?
when sad?
when worried?
when amused?
when confused?
Suido (Suido)
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what about...

heaven? as in the saying 'heavens above', in exasperation (well, thats how mum said it)?
now should be changed since clever people figured out that we live in a universe, not a tabernacle as stated in the bible.

or hell? I can't think of an example.

divinity?

smiting? (WAG, but i couldn't help myself, it's such a good god word :-) )
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does the title refer to heaven and hell? tropics vs. polar regions? a choice? a dichotomy?
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 10:15 am:
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what about...

heaven? as in the saying 'heavens above', in exasperation (well, thats how mum said it)?
now should be changed since clever people figured out that we live in a universe, not a tabernacle as stated in the bible. Good suggestions, but not correct for this puzzle.

or hell? This is spot on. Now who can think of a saying with 'hell' in it?? I can't think of an example.

divinity?

smiting? (WAG, but i couldn't help myself, it's such a good god word :-) )
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hell or high water? hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? going to hell in a handbasket? hell bent? hell for leather?
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It seems some days I can't think of an expression without hell in it. It seems "hell" can spice up any sentence!!

what the hell?
cold day in hell?
when hell freezes over?
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Does global warming or any other environmental phenomena have any relevance?
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Ha! Sixtyeight, I think you hit the spot with "when hell freezes over" Will you need sunblock, or a woolen scarf?
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~damia~
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:32 pm:
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hell or high water? hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? going to hell in a handbasket? hell bent? hell for leather? No to all

Sixtyeight
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:50 pm:
-------------------------------------------------It seems some days I can't think of an expression without hell in it. It seems "hell" can spice up any sentence!!

what the hell?
cold day in hell?
when hell freezes over? Bingo! So why is this expression not accurate any more?

Tanvishashikant
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:57 pm:
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Does global warming or any other environmental phenomena have any relevance? No

Crazypalpig
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:57 pm:
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Ha! Sixtyeight, I think you hit the spot with "when hell freezes over" Will you need sunblock, or a woolen scarf? And yes, he found the saying. Now you guys have to find out why I think it should be changed.
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Do you think it has already frozen over for some reason?
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 2:01 pm:
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Do you think it has already frozen over for some reason? Well, yes. There is, sort of, visible proof of that. Explore
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Relevant that some cultures (e. g. those with cold climates) see hell as a frozen place vs. a place of fire?
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I really hope that it hasn't.. never mind the after life.. I would have to do many things on earth that I really wasn't planning on!! (and I wouldn't be alone!)

Does this have anything to do with a religious definition of hell? or anything geographic? is any measurable temperature relevant?
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Bodo
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Relevant that some cultures (e. g. those with cold climates) see hell as a frozen place vs. a place of fire? Interesting, but no

Sixtyeight
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I really hope that it hasn't.. never mind the after life.. I would have to do many things on earth that I really wasn't planning on!! (and I wouldn't be alone!)

Does this have anything to do with a religious definition of hell? No or anything geographic? Yes is any measurable temperature relevant? Yes
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Global warming, maybe?
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:25 pm:
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Global warming, maybe? Nope
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Are you talkin about an actual place on earth named 'Hell'?

Did some googling and found these.... any of them relevant? Maybe it's really cold there...

Hell, Michigan
Hell, Lånke, Norway
Hell station, a railway station at Hell, Lånke, Norway
Hell, California, a place in Riverside County.
Hell, Grand Cayman, a place in the Cayman Islands
Hell (crater), a lunar crater named after Maximilian Hell
Hells Canyon, a canyon created by the Snake River in the United States
Hell Creek, a place in Montana notable for Cretaceous dinosaur fossils
Hell Gate, a narrow tidal channel in the East River in New York City
Hell Gate Bridge, a steel arch railroad bridge over this channel
Hells Gate State Park, a state park in Idaho
Hell Hole Gorge National Park, a national park in Queensland, Australia
Hell's Kitchen, a neighborhood in New York City
Helvetinjärvi (Hell's Lake), a lake in Finland.
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 10:57 pm:
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Are you talkin about an actual place on earth named 'Hell'? Yes

Did some googling and found these.... any of them relevant? Maybe it's really cold there...

Hell, Michigan
Hell, Lånke, Norway Yes
Hell station, a railway station at Hell, Lånke, Norway and Yes, and this is then a spolier
Hell, California, a place in Riverside County.
Hell, Grand Cayman, a place in the Cayman Islands
Hell (crater), a lunar crater named after Maximilian Hell
Hells Canyon, a canyon created by the Snake River in the United States
Hell Creek, a place in Montana notable for Cretaceous dinosaur fossils
Hell Gate, a narrow tidal channel in the East River in New York City
Hell Gate Bridge, a steel arch railroad bridge over this channel
Hells Gate State Park, a state park in Idaho
Hell Hole Gorge National Park, a national park in Queensland, Australia
Hell's Kitchen, a neighborhood in New York City
Helvetinjärvi (Hell's Lake), a lake in Finland.

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There is a village in Norway called Hell, wich has it's own railway station. 'When Hell freezes over' should now be an outdated saying as they even sell photos taken of the train station during winter months - with metres of snow. Check out Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway and for photos, scroll down a bit on this page, http://exviking.net/lowland/Hell_p.htm
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Nice one :-D
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That's a good one--I haven't been there but I have been to Hell in Grand Caymans (though not in a handbasket)! I guess I could say I have been to Hell and back!
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Hell of a good puzzle...

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