| Author | Message | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 531 Registered: 6-2001 |
Even though he couldn't win this time, more people supported him than had when he had won the last time. 2 years later his victory was recognised and completed. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 689 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the puzzle about sports? a game? a lawsuit? Is he human? male? adult? Did he do this as a part of a job? a leisure activity? How many other persons are relevant: 0? 1? ...? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 595 Registered: 6-2007 |
just to clarify.. can I rewrite the sequence this way?.. 1 he won 2 more people supported him / he did not win 3 2 years pass, his victory was completed 4 his victory was recognized do parts 3 and 4 refer to his latest victory? was the victory completed after the relevant 2 year period? did he attempt the achievement yearly? would he attempt again after the above sequence? does he achieve this alone? is a political race relevant? time period relevant? is any job relevant? did he compete with other people for the victory? location relevant? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 534 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tobasi: Is the puzzle about sports?No a game?No a lawsuit?No, but be careful Is he human?Yes male?Yes adult?Yes Did he do this as a part of a job?Yes a leisure activity?No How many other persons are relevant: 0? 1? ...?1 closely relevant, many others indrectly so Sixtyeight: just to clarify.. can I rewrite the sequence this way?.. 1 he won yes 2 more people supported him / he did not win Yope 3 2 years pass, his victory was completedYes 4 his victory was recognized yes do parts 3 and 4 refer to his latest victory?Yessish was the victory completed after the relevant 2 year period? yes did he attempt the achievement yearly?No would he attempt again after the above sequence?Yes does he achieve this alone?no, he has a team of helpers is a political race relevant? Yes!... now this might go fast! time period relevant?Yes is any job relevant? Yes did he compete with other people for the victory? Yes location relevant?Yes | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 946 Registered: 9-2003 |
is the relevant job a politian? or are there more relevant jobs? was he previously elected? but lost this time? did he win last time because people didn't want his opposition to win? as opposed to actively supporting him? was he re-elected 2 years later? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 690 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the puzzle taken: from the press? a book/film etc.? your own imagination? Is the location to be found out a country? a town? Is any political party relevant? Is the second main person a colleague? an adversary? a friend? a family member? of the man? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 537 Registered: 6-2001 |
~Damia~: is the relevant job a politian?a little more precise, but yes or are there more relevant jobs? Just a bit more precise than politician was he previously elected?Yes but lost this time?No...almost a yope did he win last time because people didn't want his opposition to win?No as opposed to actively supporting him? No was he re-elected 2 years later?Yes...but there's more Tobasi: Is the puzzle taken: from the press?Yessish...not recent a book/film etc.?Yessish... books have been written that talk about this your own imagination?Sorry no Is the location to be found out a country?yes a town?Town not particularly relevant, country is Is any political party relevant?Poltical party might help... but not essential Is the second main person a colleague?no an adversary?Yes a friend?No a family member?Yes of the man? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 949 Registered: 9-2003 |
confused.. so he did win this time? he won last time, this time and in 2 years time? did he win the vote, but lost some other way? morally? his adversary is a family member? is the person male? brother/sister? aunt/uncle? daughter/son? nephew/niece? cousin? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 542 Registered: 6-2001 |
confused.. so he did win this time?yope he won last time, this time and in 2 years time?Yes, Yope and Yes did he win the vote, but lost some other way?Yes! morally?No, he won morally! his adversary is a family member?apologies my error... I meant to say yes to of the man and no to family member... is the person male?Yes brother/sister? aunt/uncle? daughter/son?nephew/niece? cousin?No to all BLOOOPER ALERT!.......... answer to is the second main person a family member? should be NO! | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 952 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he lose financially? did he lose some supporters? whilst he gained new ones? is the country in europe? america? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 545 Registered: 6-2001 |
~Damia~: did he lose financially?probably... but that is relevant here did he lose some supporters?no, more people supported him the second time whilst he gained new ones? He did is the country in europe?Yes america?No | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1101 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is the country in the EU? britain? Ireland? Northern Ireland? France? Was he standing to be a member of parliament? president? Prime minister? First minister? Mayor? Is the voting system relevant? PR? "first past the post"? some sort of bizarre system like the one the Yanks have for electing their president? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 561 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bentarm: Is the country in the EU?Yes britain?yes Ireland?No Northern Ireland?No France?No Was he standing to be a member of parliament?Yes! president? Prime minister? First minister? Mayor? No to rest Is the voting system relevant?Nopish PR? "first past the post"?This one but... some sort of bizarre system like the one the Yanks have for electing their president?nope | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 530 Registered: 8-2001 |
Are all his wins and victories related to the same specific political office/position? Or did he win a particular office in the past and then a difference office later? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 589 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wildcard: Are all his wins and victories related to the same specific political office/position?Yes Or did he win a particular office in the past and then a difference office later?No | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 533 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did he change political parties at any time during these events? Relevant? When his victory was recognized, was a mistake corrected? Was he put in office? Was someone else removed? His victory was not recognized for two years, anyone upset about that? Anyone accused of a crime here? If his victory was recognized immediately instead of two years down the road, wouold he have been in office for those two years? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1103 Registered: 6-2001 |
Was either of the victories in a by-election? In a general election? Did he ever take a seat in parliament? After the first victory? when he couldn't win? two years later? Would it help to find out exactly when this happened? past decade? 80s? 70s? 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? Are any peerages relevant? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1104 Registered: 6-2001 |
Was he for some reason not eligible to be a member of parliament any of the times? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 591 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wildcard: Did he change political parties at any time during these events?No Relevant?No When his victory was recognized, was a mistake corrected?Not a mistake as such Was he put in office?Yessish Was someone else removed?Yope His victory was not recognized for two years, anyone upset about that?He was Anyone accused of a crime here?No If his victory was recognized immediately instead of two years down the road, wouold he have been in office for those two years?having said crime is not involved the law of the land is. And did stop him Bentarm: Was either of the victories in a by-election?Yes In a general election?yes Did he ever take a seat in parliament?Yes After the first victory?Yes when he couldn't win?No two years later?Yes Would it help to find out exactly when this happened? past decade? 80s? 70s? 60s?This one 50s?First win in this one 40s? 30s? 20s? Are any peerages relevant?Yes Was he for some reason not eligible to be a member of parliament any of the times?Yes - I sense you might know the answer to this one... | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 535 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'm not very familiar with the eligibility requirements for election. However... Was the place that he represented somehow hot eligible to have a representative in parliment for some reason? Population too small? Some political reason? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 596 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wildcard: I'm not very familiar with the eligibility requirements for election. However... Was the place that he represented somehow hot eligible to have a representative in parliment for some reason?No, it was Population too small? No Some political reason?kind of... bentarm's questions are all leading in exactly the right direction... too much so for co-incidence... | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 539 Registered: 8-2001 |
What our chap not a citizen of the proper country for a time? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 613 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wildcard: What our chap not a citizen of the proper country for a time?not precisely- if you don't know our system it might behove you to check out some of the leads that Bentarm has given you...although there is always the chance that in doing so you will discover the source of the puzzle! | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1105 Registered: 6-2001 |
I don't know any details of the story - just that peers can't be elected to the Commons, and that there was some case around that time in which this was relevant (I'm fairly sure it was Tony Benn, but I'm resisting the urge to Google...) I'm guessing the story must have been roughly: he won the election; his father died, so he became a peer and no longer eligible to sit in the Commons; two years later he had renounced his peerage, and got elected again. Is any of this right? Anything important missing? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 626 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bentarm: I don't know any details of the story - just that peers can't be elected to the Commons, and that there was some case around that time in which this was relevant (I'm fairly sure it was Tony Benn, but I'm resisting the urge to Google...) I'm guessing the story must have been roughly: he won the election; his father died, so he became a peer and no longer eligible to sit in the Commons; two years later he had renounced his peerage, and got elected again. Is any of this right? Anything important missing? You've got most of the story... but if you count the elections you missed out one... Oh and it was Tony Benn | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1106 Registered: 6-2001 |
ok, so there are three elections... two general elections and a by-election? two by-elections and a general election? Is the order GBG? GGB? BGG? BBG? BGB? GBB? So he won the first election, and became a member of the commons? There was a second election, which he also won, but couldn't become a member of the Commons - because his father died after the result was declared so he was no longer eligible? And then he won a third election, and did become a member of the Commons - this time because he was no longer a peer? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 627 Registered: 6-2001 |
Not quite...but you have so many of the details I'll.... **************Spoiler************ Tony Benn, a Labour MP, was the son of Viscount Stansgate, a member of the House Of Lords. In the general election of 1959 Tony was re-elected as the sitting MP (election 1 in the puzzle). On the death of his father in 1961, he inherited his father's title and became a member of the House Of Lords. As a matter of principle he refused to take his seat there. However as a Lord he was no longer eligible to be an MP, and his seat was declared vacant. He fought the ensuing By-Election (2) and won, on an increased share of the vote. However an electoral court decided that his candititure was null and void and awarded the election to the Conservative candidate, St Clair, who had won the next highest amount of votes. This by election and the aftermath led to the passing of an act of Parliament that allowed Lords to renounce their titles. When this Act was passed in 1963 Tony Benn was the first Lord to renounce his title. St Clair, recognising that he had not really won the by-election, stepped aside, and another by-election (3)was held. Tony Benn once more took his seat as an MP. Well done to all for working this out, especially Wildcard and ~Damia~ for struggling without knowledge of our system, and also of course to Bentarm for completing the circle! BTW for those who didn't realise the title is a corruption of a quotation form one of our former Prime Ministers "A week is a long time in Politics" | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 628 Registered: 6-2001 |
Also the passing of the peerages act allowed one of our less effective PM's (Sir Alec Douglas Home, previously 14th Earl of Home) to take office. The political history of these islands might have been very different if Rab Butler the then Deputy Prime Minister had taken over... |
