| Author | Message | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 750 Registered: 6-2001 |
When they replaced three words with two, it performed much better. I have a feeling this one might be here for a while...settle in folks! | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 475 Registered: 10-2004 |
really wild guess: drand48() | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1179 Registered: 6-2001 |
were any of the original three words contained in the two words? were the words in English? relevant? were the words written down anywhere? On it? In a set of instructions for it? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 756 Registered: 6-2001 |
Zenith: really wild guess: drand48()common answer...No Bentarm: were any of the original three words contained in the two words? no were the words in English? relevant?yes, and yes were the words written down anywhere?yes On it?No In a set of instructions for it?No | ||
| Obaone (Obaone)
New member Username: Obaone Post Number: 63 Registered: 9-2007 |
They = H? A? M? F? How many of them are there? 2? Fewer than 10? fewer than 20? fewer than 50? Fewer than 100? Greater than 100 ? It = Computer? Other electronic device? or machine? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 325 Registered: 8-2001 |
It - smaller than a breadbox? Bigger than a breadbox? *snickers* A breadbox? Are the words - on a sign? Visible near it? Directly related to it? Is it: Something used by the public? Organic in nature? Living? Common? The setting: A workplace? A public area? A school? Animals involved? Is the time period relevant? Modern? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1181 Registered: 6-2001 |
were the two words written in the same place as the three words had been? same font? same size? Did the two words have essentially the same meaning as the three words? entirely opposite meaning? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 760 Registered: 6-2001 |
Obaone: They = H? A? M? F? Human and adult. They could have been he, but I think it is fair to say that others had a hand in it as well How many of them are there? 2? Fewer than 10?This sounds right...exact number irr fewer than 20? fewer than 50? Fewer than 100? Greater than 100 ? It = Computer? Other electronic device? or machine?No to both Vesica: It - smaller than a breadbox? FA Bigger than a breadbox? FA *snickers* A breadbox? No Are the words - on a sign? Yessish Visible near it? Yesish Directly related to it? yes Is it: Something used by the public? rephrase Organic in nature? No Living? No Common? No The setting: A workplace? This one A public area? This one A school? No Animals involved? no Is the time period relevant?ish Modern?just after WWI Bentarm: were the two words written in the same place as the three words had been? yes same font? same size? Possible these might have varied Did the two words have essentially the same meaning as the three words?NO! entirely opposite meaning?No | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1183 Registered: 6-2001 |
Were the words written in order to affect people's behaviour? Get them to do something? Not to do something? were the three words an instruction? a request? a warning? information? (I'm thinking something like originaly they had a sign saying "please keep off the grass", and changed it to "poisoned grass, be careful") | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 761 Registered: 6-2001 |
Were the words written in order to affect people's behaviour?no Get them to do something?No Not to do something?No were the three words an instruction?No a request?No a warning?no information?Yope (I'm thinking something like originaly they had a sign saying "please keep off the grass", and changed it to "poisoned grass, be careful")Sorry wrong track completely | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 331 Registered: 8-2001 |
My computer just ate my questions. Bad computer! Let's see if I can remember what I just asked... Is the FA that "it" is a tangible object? Is it an idea? A process? An action? Are the words directly related to it? This is taking place in a public area of a workplace? Like a restroom? Breakroom? Entry hall? Parking lot or garage? | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 580 Registered: 8-2001 |
Are the words an explanation? Are the words a person's name? Are the words on a label? On the label on the item that performs better? | ||
| Obaone (Obaone)
New member Username: Obaone Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2007 |
Words part of a script? Performance as in a dance? Play? Movie? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 762 Registered: 6-2001 |
My computer just ate my questions. Bad computer! Let's see if I can remember what I just asked...I am sure you'll do brilliantly! Is the FA that "it" is a tangible object? Yes Is it an idea? Not exactly, no A process? No An action? No Are the words directly related to it? yes This is taking place in a public area of a workplace? There is not one place involved... plart of it is a workplace, that is also a public space Like a restroom? Possible, but more unliely given the time setting Breakroom? possible Entry hall? Possible Parking lot or garage?Unlikely, but possible Wildcard: Are the words an explanation?No, but explore Are the words a person's name? Not a person's name Are the words on a label?Very close On the label on the item that performs better?item isn't tangible so no Obaone Words part of a script?Yope Performance as in a dance? No Play?Yes Movie?No | ||
| Obaone (Obaone)
New member Username: Obaone Post Number: 70 Registered: 9-2007 |
words = the title of something? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 763 Registered: 6-2001 |
Obaone: words = the title of something?yes! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2150 Registered: 2-2001 |
G & S? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 765 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bodo: G & S?no actually...OTT we're doing a new version of Pinafore (to us anyway..not to the Aussies...it's the Essgee version) this year so they're quite high up in my brain, but not this time! | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 20 Registered: 6-2007 |
you said yesish for the words being on signs, so I'm assuming something like a marquee? So "it," being the play, performed better after its title was changed? Was its title originally in another language? Was something lost in translation that was fixed by the title change? | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 254 Registered: 8-2007 |
The first thing I thought upon reading the question was that they were words in a poem... but now it's a title so - Are there any poetical devices relevant? Famous play relevant? And just for clarification... Are the words the title of 'It'? Is 'It' the play they were performing? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 773 Registered: 6-2001 |
Alanlin: you said yesish for the words being on signs, so I'm assuming something like a marquee?yes..marquee, posters handbills... and so on So "it," being the play, performed better after its title was changed? Correct! Was its title originally in another language?No Was something lost in translation that was fixed by the title change?No Suido: The first thing I thought upon reading the question was that they were words in a poem... but now it's a title so - Correct Are there any poetical devices relevant?Not to my knowledge Famous play relevant? Not sure how famous you would describe it as... not one of the writer's most famous works. Revived 4 times on Broadway... And just for clarification... Are the words the title of 'It'?Yes Is 'It' the play they were performing?Yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1185 Registered: 6-2001 |
"it performed much better" - more people went to see it? Some other meaning? So a play was released, under a three word title, and performed: badly? averagely? well? very well? it was then re-released under a two word title and performed: averagely? well? very well? Is it likely we've heard of the play under it's two word title? It's three word title? Is either of the titles a well-known phrase or saying? Do either of the titles refer to any characters in the play? It's location? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 786 Registered: 6-2001 |
"it performed much better" - more people went to see it?Yes Some other meaning?no So a play was released, under a three word title, and performed: badly? Very! averagely? well? very well? it was then re-released under a two word title and performed: averagely? well? very well? lets just say a lot better! Is it likely we've heard of the play under it's two word title?Possibly...I have to confess I didn't know of it but... It's three word title?no Is either of the titles a well-known phrase or saying?The three word one is quite common Do either of the titles refer to any characters in the play? It's location?The two word one refers to location | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2164 Registered: 2-2001 |
One of the local G&S groups I have done gigs with in the past (Stanford Savoyards) recently did a Bollywood version of one of 'em - the Sorcerer? Didn't do the show so can't remember - saw a clip and it looked pretty cool. Er, any bodily functions/fluids involved in the title? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 791 Registered: 6-2001 |
One of the local G&S groups I have done gigs with in the past (Stanford Savoyards) recently did a Bollywood version of one of 'em - the Sorcerer? Didn't do the show so can't remember - saw a clip and it looked pretty cool. interesting... I know there is a Hollywood Pinafore.... but I hadn't heard of a bollywood version!} Er, any bodily functions/fluids involved in the title? unfortunately No | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2168 Registered: 2-2001 |
So I guess Urinetown wasn't originally Pay to Pee or Take a Piss... Location - as in specific place name? General setting? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 793 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bodo: So I guess Urinetown wasn't originally Pay to Pee or Take a Piss... apart from the fact that urinetown is one word, not 2 ... oh wait you're taking the ... oh **** that! Location - as in specific place name? General setting?speciic place, but not likely to help you... I don't need the second title... but the first (three words) is essential to the solution. | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 270 Registered: 8-2007 |
Does the three word phrase include - a colour? a place? a pronoun? an article? a proper noun? an animal? an emotion (including emotive verbs)? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 795 Registered: 6-2001 |
Suido: Does the three word phrase include - a colour? a place? a pronoun? an article? a proper noun? an animal? an emotion (including emotive verbs)? believe it or not...none of them! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2173 Registered: 2-2001 |
How 'bout a reg'lar-ol'-noun, then? Adjective? Definite article? Indefinite article? Adverb? Did the original title not reflect the nature of the play accurately? Is the genre of the play relevant? If so, drama? Comedy? Musical? Farce? Variety? Mystery? Suspense? Fantasy? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1194 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is there any sort of double entendre relevant to this puzzle? Would it be possible to misread the original title as not meaning what the people who wrote it thought it meant? | ||
| Obaone (Obaone)
New member Username: Obaone Post Number: 80 Registered: 9-2007 |
First title, three different words? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 799 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bodo: How 'bout a reg'lar-ol'-noun, then?a noun of sorts yes Adjective?an adjective yes Definite article? Indefinite article? Adverb?no to the rest Did the original title not reflect the nature of the play accurately?interesting question... it reflected the intent of the playwright, and was sufficently on for no question to be immediately raised... though even that bafflesw me! Is the genre of the play relevant? If so, drama?Yes Comedy? Musical? Farce? Variety? Mystery? Suspense? Fantasy?No to rest Bentarm: Is there any sort of double entendre relevant to this puzzle? No double entendre needed! Would it be possible to misread the original title as not meaning what the people who wrote it thought it meant? I will say yes...although it seems pretty clear that the playwright himself intended exactly what happened to happen... however for the rest of the people involved the answer is yse Obaone: First title, three different words?yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1205 Registered: 6-2001 |
Just to clarify, I meant "double entendre" in the sense of "a phrase which can be interpreted in two different ways", rather than the more common usage in which it would imply some sort of risqué content - is double entendre in this sense involved in the puzzle? So did the playwright intend for the play to be a flop? Is this a true story? Is anything like "the producers" relevant? Did the original title imply that the play was uninteresting? offensive? a different genre to what it actually was? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 802 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bentarm: Just to clarify, I meant "double entendre" in the sense of "a phrase which can be interpreted in two different ways", rather than the more common usage in which it would imply some sort of risqué content - is double entendre in this sense involved in the puzzle? my answer stands... I was thinking the same way So did the playwright intend for the play to be a flop? well... he always professed innocence, but it seems to be clear that what happened was exactly what he had aimed to do... so no in the long run he didn't want it to be a flop, but he did want to see the proverbial egg on faces Is this a true story?actually yes! and believe it or not a similar situation arose relatively recently... but was anticipated and defused before it happened. Is anything like "the producers" relevant?Assuming you meant the Musical , No Did the original title imply that the play was uninteresting? offensive? a different genre to what it actually was?no to all, but the first one is closest to being right...nearly a yope | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 270 Registered: 9-2007 |
Something similar happened with "The Vagina Monologues" when they changed their name due to protests to "Hoohah Monologues". Girl Power! I'm also reminded of the Mel Brooks comedy "The Producers" where the playwrights try to rake in some cash by orchestrating a deliberate flop. Just confirming, it was a musical yeah? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 810 Registered: 6-2001 |
Noobdogg: Something similar happened with "The Vagina Monologues" when they changed their name due to protests to "Hoohah Monologues". Girl Power! No. Not similar! I'm also reminded of the Mel Brooks comedy "The Producers" where the playwrights try to rake in some cash by orchestrating a deliberate flop. I know the musical... NO Just confirming, it was a musical yeah?No | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2191 Registered: 2-2001 |
So it wasn't changing from "Springtime for Hitler" to "The Producers"...besides, we've established no proper nouns (only those whose behaviour is a bit dodgy, apparently)...a noun (of sorts), an adjective, and a...verb? Like, I dunno, "Pink Goats Frolicking" or some such (i. e. adj-n-v)? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1243 Registered: 6-2001 |
so did the playwright intend the play to flop initially and then someone to notice that this was due to the title and change the title? Was the title something like "no show this weekend", implying that there was in fact no play? Did the title imply that the play was something other than a play? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 812 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bodo: So it wasn't changing from "Springtime for Hitler" to "The Producers"...besides, we've established no proper nouns (only those whose behaviour is a bit dodgy, apparently)...a noun (of sorts), an adjective, and a...verb? Like, I dunno, "Pink Goats Frolicking" or some such (i. e. adj-n-v)?Not this combination Bentarm: so did the playwright intend the play to flop initially and then someone to notice that this was due to the title and change the title? it would seem so.Yes Was the title something like "no show this weekend", implying that there was in fact no play? Yes! I'll keep it going to see if you can work out what it might be. It's not beyond the ability of this group! Did the title imply that the play was something other than a play?see previous answer | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1247 Registered: 6-2001 |
Closed for Refurbishment? So there are three words, a noun a verb and an adjective? Is the noun (of sorts) actually a pronoun? Was the noun "theatre"? "play"? Did the playwright intend for anyone reading the title to think the theatre was closed at the time the play was on? That the play which should have been on was cancelled? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1248 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is the title of this puzzle relevant? Does "Open for questions" mirror the structure of the original three word title? Does it include the word closed? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 813 Registered: 6-2001 |
Closed for Refurbishment? That's two thirds correct! So there are three words, a noun a verb and an adjective? Is the noun (of sorts) actually a pronoun? {follow what you have above the noun(?) is a gerund form of a verb. Was the noun "theatre"? "play"? Nope Did the playwright intend for anyone reading the title to think the theatre was closed at the time the play was on?yes That the play which should have been on was cancelled?No Is the title of this puzzle relevant? yessish... Does "Open for questions" mirror the structure of the original three word title?to this extent yes Does it include the word closed?yes...Closed for...Oh sod it that is close enough.... *********************SPOILER******************* During World War I for his views on conflict etc, George Bernard Shaw was highly criticised by the establishment in the UK... He chose to respond at the end of the war with a cutting drama which was both a commentary on the great War, and a devastating attack on the Spiritually bankrupt generation who were responsible for it. The title he chose was "Closed for Remodeling", and despite the anticipation of Shaw's newest work audiences were poor....Finally they worked out what was wrong... the playbills that had been posted all around London advertising it had only served to convince people that the theatre was closed for refurbishments! The Play name was changed to Heartbreak House and reopened to much better audiences... and has been known by that title ever since. The latter example that I refered in the course of the puzzle was "Kentucky Fried Movie" in the seventies... which was originally to have the same title... but this time the distributors caught it and refused... Good move! Well done to all who played...and to Bentarm for finally nailing it down! | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1264 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nice... I can't help but feel a little bit skeptical about the truth of this story though (although apparently Snopes believes it). I mean... why wouldn't they have GBS' name on the playbills? |
