| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2647 Registered: 8-2001 |
P., a prominent archbishop, has the nickname "Rabbi P." How come???????? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2007 |
P the first letter of his first name? It's not that easy, is it? | ||
| Ceres (Ceres)
New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2007 |
Interesting... Does he share a belief with Jewish people? A dietary restriction? A mode of dressing? Physical appearance? Is the nickname derogatory? Respectful? Anything to do with his age? His past? A past job of his? Something he has said? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2651 Registered: 8-2001 |
Deathateaster (Deathateaster) New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) P the first letter of his first name? I don't know his first name. It's not that easy, is it? I sure hope not!! Ceres (Ceres) New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Interesting... Does he share a belief with Jewish people? no A dietary restriction? no A mode of dressing? no Physical appearance? irrel--I don't know what he looks like Is the nickname derogatory? no Respectful? not really--it's neutral Anything to do with his age? no His past? no A past job of his? noSomething he has said? yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 680 Registered: 4-2007 |
Does P stand for a relevant word? Or is it only the Rabbi part thats important? | ||
| Ceres (Ceres)
New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2007 |
Did he say something...in Hebrew? In Yiddish? Quoting a Jewish person? Did what he said deal with religion at all? Theology? Relevant who he was speaking to? A crowd? Relevant who calls him "Rabbi"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2653 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 680 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 9:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does P stand for a relevant word? no. It's an arbitrary initial Or is it only the Rabbi part thats important? yes Ceres (Ceres) New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 9:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he say something...in Hebrew?possibly but unlikely In Yiddish? even more unlikelyQuoting a Jewish person? no Did what he said deal with religion at all? yope Theology? no Relevant who he was speaking to? yes A crowd? possibly Relevant who calls him "Rabbi"? VERY!! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 682 Registered: 4-2007 |
Were the people he was speaking to all of one religion? Christian? Jewish? Atheist? Is he called Rabbi by more than one person? The same people he was speaking to? If not, are the people calling him Rabbi all of one religion? Jewish? Christian? Atheist? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2654 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 682 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 9:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Were the people he was speaking to all of one religion? possibly but not necessarily Christian? They are not all Christian, although some may beJewish? all or some may be Jewish Atheist? all or some may be atheists Is he called Rabbi by more than one person? yesThe same people he was speaking to? If not, are the people calling him Rabbi all of one religion? no Jewish? Christian? Atheist? some are each of these | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1300 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is it relevant that he's Christian? Could an atheist get the same nickname for the same reason? could a Jew? The people who call him Rabbi P - have they ever had any relevant contact with any actual rabbi? Does the thing he said have something to do with scripture? with the 10 commandments? Is kosher food relevant to this puzzle? circumcision? respecting the Sabbath? | ||
| Ceres (Ceres)
New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 |
So...the people he was speaking to are not the ones who call him Rabbi? Is he talking to the press? A crowd on the street? Is he answering a question? Is he talking about Judaism? A Jewish person? Relevant where in the world this takes place? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2657 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1300 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 11:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant that he's Christian? no--but in fact the real P is Could an atheist get the same nickname for the same reason? yes could a Jew? yes The people who call him Rabbi P - have they ever had any relevant contact with any actual rabbi? possibly Does the thing he said have something to do with scripture? possibly with the 10 commandments? no Is kosher food relevant to this puzzle? nocircumcision? no respecting the Sabbath? no Ceres (Ceres) New member Username: Ceres Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 11:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So...the people he was speaking to are not the ones who call him Rabbi? They may be but others call him that, too Is he talking to the press? no A crowd on the street? possibly but probably notIs he answering a question? no Is he talking about Judaism? no A Jewish person? possibly Relevant where in the world this takes place? yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1308 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does the nickname "rabbi" come from some link he has to Jewish people? judaism? Israel? Would it be possible for someone to get the nickname "Reverend P" or "Imam P" for roughly the same reason? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2660 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1308 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 9:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the nickname "rabbi" come from some link he has to Jewish people? yesish judaism?yope Israel? yes Would it be possible for someone to get the nickname "Reverend P" or "Imam P" for roughly the same reason?Whether this could happen in the world as it is depends on facts I don't know. I certainly don't know of any case where this would happen & maybe there isn't any. But in principle, it could happen, i.e., there's nopthing special about the Jewish religion that makes "Rabbi" the only possible title in such a puzzle | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1312 Registered: 6-2001 |
Has Rabbi P ever been to Israel? Has he ever said anything relevant about Israel? Is he from Israel? Are any political issues relevant to this puzzle? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2662 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1312 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 10:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Has Rabbi P ever been to Israel? irrel Has he ever said anything relevant about Israel? irrel Is he from Israel? no Are any political issues relevant to this puzzle? yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1319 Registered: 6-2001 |
political issues - to do with Israel? And Palestine? To do with Israeli citizenship law? anti-terrorist policies? the "security fence"? Is it relevant where Rabbi P is from? Is he from the US? UK? Canada? Palestine? other western country? Africa? The people who call him Rabbi P - have they ever been to Israel? are they from Israel? Do they have any relevant connection with Israel? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2664 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1319 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 11:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) political issues - to do with Israel? yes And Palestine? no To do with Israeli citizenship law? no anti-terrorist policies? no the "security fence"? no Is it relevant where Rabbi P is from? yes Is he from the US? no UK? no Canada? no Palestine? no other western country? What'sd your cut-off point for a country's counting as western? Africa? no The people who call him Rabbi P - have they ever been to Israel?see next answer are they from Israel? yes Do they have any relevant connection with Israel?see previous answer | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1322 Registered: 6-2001 |
The country Rabbi P's from - does it have any relevant connection with Israel? a border? Is the rabbi from a european country? Middle Eastern? turkey? france? Germany? Jordan? Greece? Italy? Is there anything relevant about the people who call him Rabbi other than that they're from Israel? Do they call him Rabbi P in English? Hebrew? Is Rabbi a Hebrew word? relevant? When they call him Rabbi P are they in some way implying that he has something in common with the Jewish religious men who are usually referred to as Rabbis? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2667 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1322 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 12:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The country Rabbi P's from - does it have any relevant connection with Israel? yes a border? no Is the rabbi from a european country? yesish Middle Eastern? no turkey? no france? no Germany? no Jordan? no Greece? no Italy? no Is there anything relevant about the people who call him Rabbi other than that they're from Israel? yes Do they call him Rabbi P in English? irrel Hebrew? ditto Is Rabbi a Hebrew word? I don't know relevant? no When they call him Rabbi P are they in some way implying that he has something in common with the Jewish religious men who are usually referred to as Rabbis? yes | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2217 Registered: 2-2001 |
Russia? Some part of the former USSR? He said something which made him sound like a Rabbi? Was he quoting something? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1328 Registered: 6-2001 |
The thing which connects the people who call him P - some political belief? I'm guessing Tim's right on the country (Ukraine? Belarus? Georgia? Armenia? Azerbaijan?), if not we must have different definitions of European... Does any of the country lie East of the Black Sea? The political issue, is it uniquely Israeli? Is it also a political issue in other parts of the world? Does Rabbi P hold a relevant opinion with regard to this political issue? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2674 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2217 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 3:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Russia? no Some part of the former USSR? no He said something which made him sound like a Rabbi?yope Was he quoting something?yesishBentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1328 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 4:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The thing which connects the people who call him P - some political belief? no I'm guessing Tim's right on the country (Ukraine? Belarus? Georgia? Armenia? Azerbaijan?), if not we must have different definitions of European... Does any of the country lie East of the Black Sea? Rather than exhibit my ignorance of geography, I'll tell you the country (since you could give mer a list, anyway). It's Cyprus. The political issue, is it uniquely Israeli? I think soIs it also a political issue in other parts of the world? I doubt it Does Rabbi P hold a relevant opinion with regard to this political issue?yope | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1339 Registered: 6-2001 |
I almost said Cyprus, but since it's been an EU country since the first big expansion (2004) I decided not to... anyway Is the Greek/Turkish divide in Cyprus relevant? Was Rabbi P from the Greek side? Turkish side? relevant? Does Cyprus have any relevant Jewish population? Did Rabbi P say something that made it sound like he might have an opinion about this particular political issue? By analogy with some other issue? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2684 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1339 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 10:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I almost said Cyprus, but since it's been an EU country since the first big expansion (2004) I decided not to... anyway Is the Greek/Turkish divide in Cyprus relevant? no Was Rabbi P from the Greek side? irrel Turkish side? irrel relevant? no Does Cyprus have any relevant Jewish population? irrel Did Rabbi P say something that made it sound like he might have an opinion about this particular political issue?yope By analogy with some other issue? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1342 Registered: 6-2001 |
The relevant political issue - could it be an issue in a country which wasn't a Jewish state? In a country which didn't have an official religion? In a country which wasn't a democracy? Is conscription relevant? Is the conflict between different forms of Judaism relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2685 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1342 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 10:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The relevant political issue - could it be an issue in a country which wasn't a Jewish state? yesish In a country which didn't have an official religion? false assumption--Isreal does not have an official religion In a country which wasn't a democracy? yes Is conscription relevant? no Is the conflict between different forms of Judaism relevant? yope | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1343 Registered: 6-2001 |
I think it's probably mostly a matter of semnatics whether you consider Israel to have an official religion (ie, what does "Jewish" mean in the constitution, and what does "official religion" actually mean?), but anyway... Is the Israeli state's close relationship with the Jewish religion relevant? Its close links with the Chief Rabbinate? Its relationship with the Jewish people? Is the difference between Orthodox and non-orthodox Judaism relevant? Is any religion other than Judaism relevant? When Rabbi P said what he said, was his intended audience in Israel? all of it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2687 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1343 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I think it's probably mostly a matter of semnatics whether you consider Israel to have an official religion (ie, what does "Jewish" mean in the constitution, and what does "official religion" actually mean?), but anyway... I'm relying on sonething I read once, but I don't have enough knowledge or interest to argue the point. Maybe you're right. Is the Israeli state's close relationship with the Jewish religion relevant?yes Its close links with the Chief Rabbinate? Its relationship with the Jewish people? yes Is the difference between Orthodox and non-orthodox Judaism relevant? yes Is any religion other than Judaism relevant? yes When Rabbi P said what he said, was his intended audience in Israel? some all of it? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1345 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are they implying that Rabbi P is an orthodox Rabbi? a non-orthoodox one? (is there another word for "non-orthodox"?) Is there some orthodox jewish practise which is relevant? something which non-orthodox jews don't tend to do? The other relevant religion - Christianity? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Atheism? Is the Israeli Law of Return relevant to this puzzle? The relevant political issue - does it involve some difference between Orthodox and non-orthodox Jews? Between religious and secular Jews? Does it have anything to do with marriage? civil liberties? economic policy? immigration? health? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 909 Registered: 6-2005 |
In addition to his normal bishoply duties... does he also teach a class? Is it a history class? Is what he teaches relevant? Are his beliefs relevant? Are his functions as a bishop relevant? Does this have to do with circumcision? Does it have to do with Rabbi meaning "teacher"? Is it relevant that only his students call him that? Did this bishop ever participate in a play? Perhaps the play was Fiddler on the Roof? Did he do such a good job playing the part of the Rabbi that the title stuck? Only people who saw him perform this part call him that? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2688 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 909 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 5:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) In addition to his normal bishoply duties... does he also teach a class? irrel Is it a history class? Is what he teaches relevant? Are his beliefs relevant? yope Are his functions as a bishop relevant? yes Does this have to do with circumcision? noDoes it have to do with Rabbi meaning "teacher"? no Is it relevant that only his students call him that? no Did this bishop ever participate in a play? irrel Perhaps the play was Fiddler on the Roof? no Did he do such a good job playing the part of the Rabbi that the title stuck? no Only people who saw him perform this part call him that? no P.S. I checked with a knowledgeable person & it turns out that Bentasrm is right & I'm wrong. Israel does count as having established religion | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 915 Registered: 6-2005 |
Missed Bentsarm's questions before mine... | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1352 Registered: 6-2001 |
There are some questions up there ^^ that you didn't answer. In addition.... Did Rabbi P say whatever he said during a sermon? When he said it, was he acting as a representative of the church? Is it relevant what church he belongs to? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2692 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1345 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are they implying that Rabbi P is an orthodox Rabbi? a non-orthoodox one? (is there another word for "non-orthodox"?) Is there some orthodox jewish practise which is relevant? something which non-orthodox jews don't tend to do? The other relevant religion - Christianity? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Atheism? Is the Israeli Law of Return relevant to this puzzle?no The relevant political issue - does it involve some difference between Orthodox and non-orthodox Jews?yesish Between religious and secular Jews?myesish Does it have anything to do with marriage? yes civil liberties? no, except to the extent that marriage counts as a civil liberty} economic policy? no immigration? no health? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2693 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 915 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Missed Bentsarm's questions before mine... Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1352 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) There are some questions up there ^^ that you didn't answer. Done, with my deepest apologiesIn addition.... Did Rabbi P say whatever he said during a sermon? no When he said it, was he acting as a representative of the church? yesish or yope Is it relevant what church he belongs to? yesish | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2694 Registered: 8-2001 |
e: Nimue Post Number: 2692 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 11:55 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1345 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are they implying that Rabbi P is an orthodox Rabbi?no a non-orthoodox one? yesish(is there another word for "non-orthodox"?) "liberal"? Is there some orthodox jewish practise which is relevant? yes something which non-orthodox jews don't tend to do? yes The other relevant religion - Christianity?Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Atheism? all are relevant, but non-Orthodox Judaism is probably most relevant | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 941 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does it have to do with how he performs wedding ceremonies? All wedding ceremonies? Just one? Did he make an exception to policy? Did he adopt a typically Jewish element for a ceremony (i.e. like borrowing a Menorah (again sp?))? Did he convert/teach a Jewish person to Catholicism so they could get married in the church? Did that person keep accidentally calling him Rabbi? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2700 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 941 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 7:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have to do with how he performs wedding ceremonies? yope All wedding ceremonies? no Just one? no Did he make an exception to policy? no Did he adopt a typically Jewish element for a ceremony (i.e. like borrowing a Menorah (again sp?))? irrel Did he convert/teach a Jewish person to Catholicism so they could get married in the church? no Did that person keep accidentally calling him Rabbi? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1373 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is something to do with his attitude to marriage in general relevant? To do with who he thinks should be allowed to marry whom? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 983 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does it have to do with his views of the roles of man and wife? With the counseling he offers couples? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2702 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1373 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is something to do with his attitude to marriage in general relevant? see next answer To do with who he thinks should be allowed to marry whom?yes Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 983 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have to do with his views of the roles of man and wife? no With the counseling he offers couples? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 991 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does he believe that only catholics should be able to marry catholics? That episcopalians and eastern/greek orthodox should be able to marry catholics? That jews should be able to marry catholics? (And have it recognized by the Catholic church, that is.) Is it about inter-faith marriage? Inter-race marriage? Male/female v.s. Male/male marriage? Or is it about who actually performs the marriage ceremony? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2707 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 991 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 10:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does he believe that only catholics should be able to marry catholics? no That episcopalians and eastern/greek orthodox should be able to marry catholics? yes That jews should be able to marry catholics? yes (And have it recognized by the Catholic church, that is.) Is it about inter-faith marriage? yope Inter-race marriage? no Male/female v.s. Male/male marriage? no Or is it about who actually performs the marriage ceremony? yope | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1003 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did he say something along the lines that Jesus was a Jew and he would be happy for Jesus to marry any of his (hopefully nonexistant) daughters? Did he preach something along the lines of loving all people regardless of faith? Or just specific religions? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1376 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is he a catholic bishop? Orthodox Christian? Would he be willing to perform a marriage ceremony if: The bride were Jewish and the groom catholic? The bride were Catholic and the groom Jewish? Is there some relevant combination of marriands that he would be unwilling to perform a ceremony for? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2712 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1003 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he say something along the lines that Jesus was a Jew and he would be happy for Jesus to marry any of his (hopefully nonexistant) daughters? no Did he preach something along the lines of loving all people regardless of faith? possibly Or just specific religions? no Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1376 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is he a catholic bishop? see nerxt answer Orthodox Christian? yes Would he be willing to perform a marriage ceremony if: The bride were Jewish and the groom catholic? yes The bride were Catholic and the groom Jewish? yes Is there some relevant combination of marriands that he would be unwilling to perform a ceremony for? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1379 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are the bishop's attitude to any of the following relevant: orthodox christians marrying catholics? orthodox Christians marrying Orthodox Christians? orthodox Christians marrying Jews? non-Orthodox Jews marrying Orthodox Jews? Orthodox Jews marrying Orthodox Jews? non-Orthodox Jews marrying non-Orthodox Jews? Is anyone else's attitude to any of the above relevant? The attitude of orthodox jewish Rabbis? of non-orthodox Jewish Rabbis? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1008 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did this Archbishop retire from regular duties and now only performs marriage ceremonies? Since he's non-denominational he'll perform the ceremony in whichever fashion the couple prefers? Regardless of religion? Has he been known to perform Jewish ceremonies and dress as a Rabbi to accomodate interfaith couples who are trying to please their parents? On a side note, I have to do this. I'm a protestant marrying a Catholic. I have no intention of becoming Catholic, but he'd like to appease his parents had have the marriage be part of a mass. We're going to hire a non-denominational pastor who will perform the ceremony however we want it (even wear the white priest tab around his neck, and have us take communion). | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2717 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1379 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are the bishop's attitude to any of the following relevant: orthodox christians marrying catholics? noorthodox Christians marrying Orthodox Christians? noorthodox Christians marrying Jews? yes non-Orthodox Jews marrying Orthodox Jews? yesishOrthodox Jews marrying Orthodox Jews?yesish non-Orthodox Jews marrying non-Orthodox Jews?yes Is anyone else's attitude to any of the above relevant? yes The attitude of orthodox jewish Rabbis? yes of non-orthodox Jewish Rabbis? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1008 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did this Archbishop retire from regular duties and now only performs marriage ceremonies? no Since he's non-denominational he'll perform the ceremony in whichever fashion the couple prefers?no Regardless of religion? yes Has he been known to perform Jewish ceremonies and dress as a Rabbi to accomodate interfaith couples who are trying to please their parents? no On a side note, I have to do this. I'm a protestant marrying a Catholic. I have no intention of becoming Catholic, but he'd like to appease his parents had have the marriage be part of a mass. We're going to hire a non-denominational pastor who will perform the ceremony however we want it (even wear the white priest tab around his neck, and have us take communion).And just think of the wonderful cake you'll be hsving at the reception!! | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1381 Registered: 6-2001 |
Do Orthodox Jewish Rabbis refuse to recognise marriages between Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? Between non-Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews? Does the Rabbi have a notably liberal attitude to orthodox Christians marrying Jews? Does he think their marraiges should be performed in a certain way? Does he recognise marriages between two non-Orthodox Jews? Would he be willing to perform such a marriage? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2723 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1381 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do Orthodox Jewish Rabbis refuse to recognise marriages between Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? Between non-Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews?yes Does the Rabbi have a notably liberal attitude to orthodox Christians marrying Jews? yes Does he think their marraiges should be performed in a certain way? irrel Does he recognise marriages between two non-Orthodox Jews? yes Would he be willing to perform such a marriage? yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1388 Registered: 6-2001 |
So while he would be willing to perform a marriage between two non-Orthodox Jews, an Orthodox Rabbi wouldn't, thus he'd be performing the services of a rabbi for those two, is that it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2730 Registered: 8-2001 |
8-2001 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1381 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do Orthodox Jewish Rabbis refuse to recognise marriages between Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? Between non-Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews?yes Does the Rabbi have a notably liberal attitude to orthodox Christians marrying Jews? yes Does he think their marraiges should be performed in a certain way? irrel Does he recognise marriages between two non-Orthodox Jews? yes Would he be willing to perform such a marriage? yes Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1388 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So while he would be willing to perform a marriage between two non-Orthodox Jews yes, an Orthodox Rabbi wouldn'tpossibly, thus he'd be performing the services of a rabbi for those two, is that it? yesish. You're very ORT, but why would they bother to go to Cyrpus if they didn't live there?? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1394 Registered: 6-2001 |
Do couples go to Cyprus in order to be married by Rabbi P? If so, is it because of the way he performs the ceremony? Are any similarities between Orthodox Judaism and Orthodox Christianity relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2734 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1394 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 1:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do couples go to Cyprus in order to be married by Rabbi P? yers If so, is it because of the way he performs the ceremony? no or noish Are any similarities between Orthodox Judaism and Orthodox Christianity relevant? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1022 Registered: 6-2005 |
Are there no Rabbis on Cyprus? Is he the only one who could perform the ceremony in lieu of one of their own? Are these couples hellbent on a particular destination wedding and so they use whoever will perform the ceremony? Is there something in the history of Cyprus or the surrounding area that would make a Rabbi not want to come to the area? (I.e. I lived in Germany for 10 years and not once did my jewish relatives come to visit us. Can't imagine why.) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2740 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1022 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 7:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are there no Rabbis on Cyprus? I don't know. But there are presumably no rabbis who on Cyprus who will perform the wedings in question Is he the only one who could perform the ceremony in lieu of one of their own? see previous answer Are these couples hellbent on a particular destination wedding and so they use whoever will perform the ceremony? no Is there something in the history of Cyprus or the surrounding area that would make a Rabbi not want to come to the area? no (I.e. I lived in Germany for 10 years When??and not once did my jewish relatives come to visit us. Can't imagine why.Many American Jews have visited Germany,although no doubt some still would not. | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1026 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does these couples wish to have underwater ceremonies and since the Rabbis can't do their bottle crushing or any candle type ceremonies in the ocean, they would refuse? Is there something similarly special about the ceremonies in question that the couples want that would make it something Rabbis refuse to help with? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1404 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is there some reason that Rabbis in Israel would be unwilling to perform the weddings in question? The relevant weddings are between Jews and non-Jews? between Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? between non-Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? Might the couples go to Cyprus in order to be married by a Rabbi if a Rabbi were willing to perform the same service? In order to be married by an Imam? an atheist registrar-type person? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2743 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1026 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 9:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does these couples wish to have underwater ceremonies and since the Rabbis can't do their bottle crushing or any candle type ceremonies in the ocean, they would refuse? no Is there something similarly special about the ceremonies in question that the couples want that would make it something Rabbis refuse to help with? no Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1404 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 1:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there some reason that Rabbis in Israel would be unwilling to perform the weddings in question?some would be willing & some would not The relevant weddings are between Jews and non-Jews? some between Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? some between non-Orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox Jews? some Might the couples go to Cyprus in order to be married by a Rabbi if a Rabbi were willing to perform the same service? yes In order to be married by an Imam?possibly an atheist registrar-type person yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1418 Registered: 6-2001 |
The relevant couples who go to Cyprus, do they all have something in common? Something to do with one of their religious beliefs? Their ethnic background? Anything to do with the way they want the ceremony performed? With who they want to be present at the ceremony? With something they want to be said at the ceremony? With something they want to wear at the ceremony? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2760 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1418 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 4:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The relevant couples who go to Cyprus, do they all have something in common?yes Something to do with one of their religious beliefs? yope Their ethnic background? yope Anything to do with the way they want the ceremony performed? no With who they want to be present at the ceremony? no With something they want to be said at the ceremony? noWith something they want to wear at the ceremony? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1422 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are the relevant couples all Israeli? is at least one of all of the couples Israeli? Are they all ethnic Jews? Is at least one of them an ethnic Jew? Are they all religiously Jewish? Is at least one of them religiously Jewish? Are they all non-Orthodox? Is at least one of them non-Orthodox? Are they all Orthodox? Is at least one of them Orthodox? Might they go to Jordan to have the same service performed, if they could find someone willing to perform it? If they could find someone in Israel willing to perform the service, might they still go to Cyprus to have it done by Rabbi P? Is some characteristic of Rabbi P relevant other than his opinions about which marriages he's willing to perform (and, obviously, his ability to perform them)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2768 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1422 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are the relevant couples all Israeli?yes is at least one of all of the couples Israeli? see previous answer Are they all ethnic Jews? noIs at least one of them an ethnic Jew? yes Are they all religiously Jewish? no Is at least one of them religiously Jewish? no Are they all non-Orthodox? noish Is at least one of them non-Orthodox? noish Are they all Orthodox? no Is at least one of them Orthodox? no Might they go to Jordan to have the same service performed, if they could find someone willing to perform it? yope If they could find someone in Israel willing to perform the service, might they still go to Cyprus to have it done by Rabbi P?yes Is some characteristic of Rabbi P relevant other than his opinions about which marriages he's willing to perform (and, obviously, his ability to perform them)? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1435 Registered: 6-2001 |
So do all the couples consist of one ethnic Jew and one person who isn't an ethnic Jew? An Arab? Or do some of them consist entirely of ethnic Jews? (wouldn't life be easier if there was one word which could distinguish between "religiously Jewish" and "ethnically Jewish" - at least, typing questions to this puzzle would take less time) Were they born in Israel? relevant? Are the couples the ones who refer to Rabbi P as Rabbi P? Or is that some other group? So they're not interested in how Rabbi P performs the service, but they still might go to Cyprus to get him to do it even if they could find someone in Israel who would.... Is it illegal to perform the relevant service in Israel? Is it impossible for some other reason? Might they go to Greece if they could find someone in Greece who would be willing to perform the service? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2773 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1435 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So do all the couples consist of one ethnic Jew and one person who isn't an ethnic Jew? no An Arab? possibly Or do some of them consist entirely of ethnic Jews? no (wouldn't life be easier if there was one word which could distinguish between "religiously Jewish" and "ethnically Jewish" - at least, typing questions to this puzzle would take less time)Life would be easier if we didn't have ethnic divisions at all!! Were they born in Israel? [possibly relevant? no Are the couples the ones who refer to Rabbi P as Rabbi P? yes Or is that some other group? yes So they're not interested in how Rabbi P performs the service, but they still might go to Cyprus to get him to do it even if they could find someone in Israel who would.... yes Is it illegal to perform the relevant service in Israel? yesish--see below Is it impossible for some other reason? see below Might they go to Greece if they could find someone in Greece who would be willing to perform the service? yes This is close enough for me to declare a ***** SPOILER ********** A combination of racism & political fragmentation makes it the case that there is no civil marriage in Israel. Political fragmentation: no party ever gets enough votes to form a government with out making a coalition with another party. Racism: Jewish parties rarely if ever make coalitions with Arab parties. So they end up making coalitions with Orthodox Jewish parties in exchange for allowing only religious marriage in Israel. For Jews, this means meeting OJ's incredibly restrictive rules for who can marry whom--no marriages betwween Jews & non-Jews or between people in various weird pobibited categories, e.g. men named Cohen & divorced women. Of course, most Israelis won't live in accord with these restrictions; so Israel recognizes as valid in Israel any marriages validly performed outside Iarael. Cyprus is the closest country friendly to Israel & so many Israelis have their marriages performed by the Archbishop there that he is jokingly called Rabbi P. Obvious question: Does Iasrael recognize gay marriages performed in Canada? The answer is yes, according to a recent ruling of Israel's Supreme Court. So another version of this puzzle might have been: "Orthodox Judaism's rigidity has benefited gays. How come?" Too late for that puzzle now, though, so please check out my new one at the bottom of the page. |
