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Wildcard (Wildcard)
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Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These only appear when things start to get exciting, but do they really exist at all? I used to think so. But now I'm not so sure
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Appear in reality? in your mind? are they physical? are they a legend?
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exclamation point! ?
are they text?
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Peter365:

Appear in reality? yes in your mind? no are they physical? yes are they a legend? no

Sixtyeight:

exclamation point! ? no
are they text? no
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can you buy one? some?
is it normal to do so?
is their appearance a natural phenomenon? man made?
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Location relevant? Are they tangible? Can everyone see them? And would everyone see the same?

Are they natural? man made?
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Sixtyeight:

can you buy one? some? Probably, but very misleading. Let's say no
is it normal to do so? see above
is their appearance a natural phenomenon? no man made? yesish
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does this have to do with something a human body creates?
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Visconti:

does this have to do with something a human body creates?no
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is the reason you're doubting the existence because:

you saw something you didnt expect to see?
you didnt see something you expected to see?

you learned something knew? someone told you something you didnt know before? you learned it over time (since you're older/wiser now)?

does this have anything to do with the weather?
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Visconti:

is the reason you're doubting the existence because:

you saw something you didnt expect to see? no
you didnt see something you expected to see? no

you learned something knew? no someone told you something you didnt know before? no you learned it over time (since you're older/wiser now)? ouch...probably this is closest. More like I just realized it

does this have anything to do with the weather? yope
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are they tangible?
do they always come in groups? or can one of them exist?
can one appear?
wen you say "appear" do these change state when things get exciting? are they created when things get exciting?
are they pulled out of some kind of archive when things get exciting?
is any job relevant?
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Sixtyeight:

are they tangible? yes
do they always come in groups? Mostly or can one of them exist? yes
can one appear? yes
wen you say "appear" do these change state when things get exciting? yesish...FA lurking are they created when things get exciting? yes
are they pulled out of some kind of archive when things get exciting? no
is any job relevant? no
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have you ever seen one? on TV? in the news? in a science fiction programme?
Is "appear" in the puzzle statement essentially synonymous with "come into existence"?
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Bentarm:

have you ever seen one? yes on TV? yes in the news? yes in a science fiction programme? don't think so
Is "appear" in the puzzle statement essentially synonymous with "come into existence"? HINT: no...more like make their presence known
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would you also read about them in the paper?
is sports relevant? national news? world news?

when you see them on the news, do you see them..
in the newssroom?
in the live feeds?
in taped segments?
during commercial breaks?
during certain types of stories?
during "breaking news"?
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Are they alive? people?
"experts" on obscure subjects? - they always manage to find one when the obscure subject is in the news, but what do they do the rest of the time?
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Sixtyeight:

would you also read about them in the paper? possible
is sports relevant? yes national news? unlikely world news? less likely

when you see them on the news, do you see them..
in the newssroom?
in the live feeds?
in taped segments?
during commercial breaks?
during certain types of stories?
during "breaking news"? all these are possible

Bentarm:

Are they alive? yes people? yes
"experts" on obscure subjects? could be, but not required - they always manage to find one when the obscure subject is in the news, but what do they do the rest of the time? yes....-er no...perhaps if you rephrase the question
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HINT: These people do not actually participate in any sport (at least they are not supposed to). But sports are very relevant.
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are they H? A? M? F?
are they fans? players? ex-players? broadcasters? vendors? collectors? family/relation of any of above?

are they categorized by something they wear? the way they look? something they say? a place that they go?
is a specific sport relevant?

do they appear when a game gets exciting? or when media hype peaks? another instance of excitement?
Is the moment of excitement greater than a second? minute? hour? day? week? month? year? the length of time of a match? the length of time of a league playoff?

would you think they exist because you see them? read about them? hear about them? or simply because they have a name?

would one of them appear of his own will? or the will another party? or both?
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Sixtyeight:

are they H? A? M? F? all of these
are they fans? yope...explore...some would say they are players? ex-players? broadcasters? vendors? collectors? family/relation of any of above? can be any of these

are they categorized by something they wear? the way they look? something they say? could be this, but not necessary a place that they go? this is one that is most common
is a specific sport relevant? lets say spectator sports

do they appear when a game gets exciting? noish or when media hype peaks? yes another instance of excitement? can be
Is the moment of excitement greater than a second? minute? hour? day? week? month? year? around these last two usually the length of time of a match? the length of time of a league playoff? this last one can be true

would you think they exist because you see them? yes read about them? that too hear about them? yes or simply because they have a name? no

would one of them appear of his own will? yes or the will another party? yes or both? all are possible
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to be one of "these"..
does one need to be at a sporting event?
could one of these humans be watching a sporting event on tv?
must one buy a ticket to an event?
must one show enthusiasm for a team or player?
must one interfere with game play?

would you confirm their existence by..
talking to them? reading their minds? revealing personal information about them ?seeing them? or some kind of visual confirmation?

is it relevant how you became "not so sure"? was a single revelation relevant? or more of a slow learning? Or perhaps just challenging classic perceptions?
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Sixtyeight:

to be one of "these"..
does one need to be at a sporting event? no
could one of these humans be watching a sporting event on tv? yes
must one buy a ticket to an event? no
must one show enthusiasm for a team or player? yes
must one interfere with game play? no

would you confirm their existence by..
talking to them? yes reading their minds? yes
revealing personal information about them ? probably not seeing them? probably not just that
or some kind of visual confirmation? knowing them would help


is it relevant how you became "not so sure"? HINT: By being literal
was a single revelation relevant? see above
or more of a slow learning? Or perhaps just challenging classic perceptions? certainly true
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would they all call themselves fans? are they fans that switch teams? switch sports?

so there is a word for them that when taken literally makes you doubt they exist?

does someone find them? one of them? groups of them? do broadcasters find them?
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Sixtyeight:

would they all call themselves fans? yes are they fans that switch teams? could be, but not required switch sports? also could be, but not necessary

so there is a word for them that when taken literally makes you doubt they exist? yes, exactly

does someone find them? no one of them? no groups of them? no do broadcasters find them? no

FA lurking...they are not sought by anyone
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would you call them fans? would the media call them fans? is another word for fans relevant? is a subcategory of fans relevant?

Does there need to be a game in play for them to exist?
Would these people call themselves this relevant word?
If you assigned a new name to them would this change your feeling about their existence?

so, location can be used to categorize them?
is there something in common about where they are when they watch a game? are they all TV viewers?
can a relevant location be named for the period of excitement?
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Sixtyeight:

would you call them fans? yope would the media call them fans? probably is another word for fans relevant? yesish...not another word exactly is a subcategory of fans relevant? you might say that, yes

Does there need to be a game in play for them to exist? no
Would these people call themselves this relevant word? if they are honest, yes
If you assigned a new name to them would this change your feeling about their existence? yes

so, location can be used to categorize them? in the sense that it might dictate which team the prefer
is there something in common about where they are when they watch a game? no are they all TV viewers? no
can a relevant location be named for the period of excitement? no
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Does it have to do with making bets?
Collecting autographs? Photos?
Stalking?
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Shira:

Does it have to do with making bets?
Collecting autographs? Photos?
Stalking? no to all, sorry
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ok, so they are yopish fans, and it yopishly has to to with the weather...fair-weather fans?
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Beccaan:

ok, so they are yopish fans, and it yopishly has to to with the weather...fair-weather fans? Exactly!

Spoyler to follow
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*********** SPOILER ************

It just occurred to me one day that the term "fair weather fan" is an oxymoron.
A fan is defined as an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.: a baseball fan; short for fanatic.

A fanatic is a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.

How can one have extreme and uncritical enthusiam or zeal only once in a while?

So a "fair weather fan" cannot be a fan at all, but more like a sympathizer or advocate. Not that I expect the world to change based on what I think. The English language is full of things like this. Thanks everyone. I enjoyed this one.

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