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Because it was a few inches too short and he didn't want to rotate, she had a cylindrical object thrust into her back.

Hint: This puzzle is rated PG.
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Did he thrust the cylindrical object into her back?
Are they related? Married? In a relationship? Friends?
He didn't want to rotate --> himself? "it" of the insufficient length?
is the "it" same as the "Cylindrical object"?
it---> manmade? natural?
cylindrical object---> manmade? natural?
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she - h? a?

any crimes involved? weapons?
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is she a robot? is she a toy? is she a car (I know cars are sometimes called she)? if car, is this an engine? a cylinder for an engine? tires that need to be rotated? is she a boat?
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Did he thrust the cylindrical object into her back? No
Are they related? No Married? No In a relationship? Yes Friends? They were girlfrieind and boyfriend
He didn't want to rotate --> himself? Yope "it" of the insufficient length?No
is the "it" same as the "Cylindrical object"? No
it---> manmade? Yesish natural? No
cylindrical object---> manmade? Yes natural? No

she - h? a? Yes to both

any crimes involved? No weapons? Yesish

is she a robot? is she a toy? is she a car (I know cars are sometimes called she)? if car, is this an engine? a cylinder for an engine? tires that need to be rotated? is she a boat? None of the above
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is "it" a game of some sort? a boardgame? a videogame? some sort of roleplaying game?
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I hope this puzzle isn't to do with what I'm thinking, otherwise I would rate it 18.
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is "it" a game of some sort? No, but a game is involved a boardgame? a videogame? some sort of roleplaying game? The game is a sort of role-playing game
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She and he playing a game throughout the puzzle?
Call her Sue?
Call him Smilin' Bob?
Is Sue trying to communicate something to Smilin' Bob?
Smilin' Bob trying to communicate something to Sue?
Are there other humans relevant?
1? 2? 3? 4? 5? more?
Are they in a house? relevant? relevant which house?
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Is the cylindrical object a gun-barrel? A fake gun?
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She and he playing a game throughout the puzzle? Yes
Call her Sue?
Call him Smilin' Bob? Okay
Is Sue trying to communicate something to Smilin' Bob? Noish
Smilin' Bob trying to communicate something to Sue? Noish
Are there other humans relevant? Yes
1? 2? 3? 4? 5? more? There are about 8-10 people playing the game but only two of them (other than Bob and Sue) are relevant to this puzzle
Are they in a house? relevant? relevant which house?No

Is the cylindrical object a gun-barrel? A fake gun? No
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IS this a charades kind of game?
Pictionary?
Scattergories?
Similar?
Taboo?
Is it a game one can buy at a toy store?
Or is it a game that you need not buy to play?
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IS this a charades kind of game?
Pictionary?
Scattergories?
Similar?
Taboo?
No
Is it a game one can buy at a toy store? No
Or is it a game that you need not buy to play? Yesish
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Spin the bottle?
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is "it" a sort of weapon? a fake weapon?
Do you need any equipment to play the game? is "it" part of the equipment? all of the equipment? Is the cylindrical object part of the equipment? all of the equipment?

Were the people playing the game arranged in a circle? relevant? Were they seated? relevant?

Incidentally, when you say this puzzle is rated PG as a hint, is that supposed to be PG as opposed to 18? or PG as opposed to U?
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Spin the bottle? No

s "it" a sort of weapon? Yope a fake weapon? Yope
Do you need any equipment to play the game? Yes is "it" part of the equipment? Yes all of the equipment? No Is the cylindrical object part of the equipment? Yes all of the equipment? No

Were the people playing the game arranged in a circle? No relevant? Yes Were they seated? No relevant? Yes

Incidentally, when you say this puzzle is rated PG as a hint, is that supposed to be PG as opposed to 18? or PG as opposed to U? I live in the United States where the movie rating system is (least objectionable) G, PG, PG-13, R (most objectionable). I meant PG as opposed to R - there is no sexual activity involved in this puzzle despite what it might have seemed like from the puzzle statement
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is it larping? just heard of this word--live action role playing? maybe one of those medieval things where people dress up like knights, ladies, etc. and challenge each other to duals? I usually see people doing this in various parks.
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Wait a minute! R isn't most objectionable... You've still got NC-17 after that and then we get into the X through XXX ratings that aren't normally used for serious films. Heh, guess you haven't seen many films in the R+ categories.

I second the larping idea... if not...
Is this a board game? A strategy game? A paper/pencil/dice role playing game? Are the objects involved real? Imaginary? Video games relevant? Is the Nintendo Wii relevant?
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is it larping? YES! just heard of this word--live action role playing? Yes maybe one of those medieval things where people dress up like knights, ladies, etc. and challenge each other to duals? Yes, but this one wasn't exactly a duel... I usually see people doing this in various parks.
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ok, this is probably a crazy guess: was he proposing to her? is the cylindrical object an engagement ring?
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forgot to ask: if my last guess was correct, did she turn away from him (the refused romantic rotation), and the object (in my scenario, a ring)ended up being thrust in her back instead of toward her?
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ok, this is probably a crazy guess: was he proposing to her? is the cylindrical object an engagement ring? No

forgot to ask: if my last guess was correct, did she turn away from him (the refused romantic rotation), and the object (in my scenario, a ring)ended up being thrust in her back instead of toward her? no
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Hint: They were playing a "battlegame". The players were divided into two teams, and each team was attempting to kill the other team.
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paintball?
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so he took his cylindrical item (maybe a sword or a staff of some sort), and tried to kill her. When she moved, instead of being able to kill her (by a blow to the heart or some other place that would kill her) he only maimed her by hitting her in the back?
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paintball? No, I already said it was a LARP

so he took his cylindrical item (maybe a sword Yes or a staff of some sort), and tried to kill her. Yes When she moved FA, she didn't move, instead of being able to kill her (by a blow to the heart or some other place that would kill her) he only maimed her by hitting her in the back? No, and by the way, in this game hits to the torso and back are both considered kills. Hits to the arm or leg result in loss of that limb.
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rotate = to turn? or might be like "rotating positions" (as in, after you lose in four-square or some such kids game, one person leaves and everyone "rotates"(switches positions))?

do we know what "it" is that's too short? is "it" a physical object? or something nonphyiscal like "time" or "patience"? (sorry if these have already been answered, just getting into this puzzle)
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rotate = to turn? Yes or might be like "rotating positions" Well, it wasn't just "rotating" as such - his entire body would have moved by about a foot or two(as in, after you lose in four-square or some such kids game, one person leaves and everyone "rotates"(switches positions))? Nothing like this though

do we know what "it" is that's too short? No is "it" a physical object? Yes or something nonphyiscal like "time" or "patience"? No (sorry if these have already been answered, just getting into this puzzle)

do we know what "it" is that's too short? is "it" a physical object? or something nonphyiscal like "time" or "patience"? (sorry if these have already been answered, just getting into this puzzle)
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so, was "it" maybe another type of weapon? maybe a dagger, or some short sword? maybe he had one weapon in each hand, one that was too short and would make him have to turn to kill her, and the longer sword?...and because "it" was too short and he didn't want to rotate (turn), he ended up killing her by thrusting his sword (which was longer) in her back? was he afraid that if he turned, he would be off balance? was he afraid that he would possibly be killed himself?
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Had Bob or Sue been killed at the time of the statement?
relevant whether Bob or Sue were ever killed in this session?
Had Bob or Sue lost any limbs at the time of the statement?
relevant whether Bob or Sue lost any limbs in this session?

so a sword is relevant? any other "weapon"?
are Bob's or Sue's genders relevant?
are the genders of athe other 2 people relevant?
Bob and Sue are on opposing teams?
are the other 2 on opposing teams from one another?
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so, was "it" maybe another type of weapon? Yesish maybe a dagger No, or some short sword No? maybe he had one weapon in each hand, one that was too short and would make him have to turn to kill her, and the longer sword?...and because "it" was too short and he didn't want to rotate (turn), he ended up killing her by thrusting his sword (which was longer) in her back? was he afraid that if he turned, he would be off balance? was he afraid that he would possibly be killed himself? All of these are no, with a possible FA

Had Bob or Sue been killed at the time of the statement? No, except that when the weapon was thrust into her back, that killed her
relevant whether Bob or Sue were ever killed in this session? No
Had Bob or Sue lost any limbs at the time of the statement? No
relevant whether Bob or Sue lost any limbs in this session? No

so a sword is relevant? Yes, this was the weapon that killed her any other "weapon"? Yesish
are Bob's or Sue's genders relevant? Noish
are the genders of athe other 2 people relevant? No
Bob and Sue are on opposing teams? Yes
are the other 2 on opposing teams from one another? The other two are both on Bob's team
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did Bob avoid rotation to preserve himself in the game?
did Bob rotate a weapon? did his body rotate?
was Bob attacking Sue?
Did Bob intend to set up so that his teammate could go for the kill?
Did the teammate save Bob from a kill?
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did Bob avoid rotation to preserve himself in the game? No
did Bob rotate a weapon? No did his body rotate? You mean if he hadn't refused to rotate? Yes, and...
was Bob attacking Sue? No
Did Bob intend to set up so that his teammate could go for the kill? This would have been the point of the "rotation", but he didn't do it
Did the teammate save Bob from a kill? No
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did one of the other two kill Sue?
Was bob not attacking Sue because they were in a relationship?
Is it that Bob didn't want to see his girfriend get killed in the game?
was it that Bob thought he knew Sue's game plan because they were in a relationship?

does the short item have anything to do with the decision not to rotate?
does the short item kill? does it work with another weapon to kill? with another player?
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did one of the other two kill Sue? Yes
Was bob not attacking Sue because they were in a relationship? I think so
Is it that Bob didn't want to see his girfriend get killed in the game? No
was it that Bob thought he knew Sue's game plan because they were in a relationship? No

does the short item have anything to do with the decision not to rotate? Yope
does the short item kill? Yes does it work with another weapon to kill? Yesish with another player? no
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in the game..
does the shorter item stab? chop? crush? cut? strike? apply blunt force?
is it thrown? does it launch anything? is its main purpose to kill?
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does the shorter item stab? chop? crush? cut? strike? This one apply blunt force?
is it thrown? No does it launch anything? No is its main purpose to kill? Yes
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would Bob rotating have put him in a closer positin to Sue? a closer position to something?

is the "too short" item actually longer than the sword?
is it a staff? stick?
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would Bob rotating have put him in a closer positin to Sue? a closer position to something? No to both

is the "too short" item actually longer than the sword? No
is it a staff? stick? Neither
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does the short item have any tandem components? ie something on a chain?
does it require two hands?

if the item was long enough would he have tried to kill her with it in the relevant moment?

was Bob going to engage with Sue so that a teammate would go for the kill, then Bob did not rotate, but the teammate went for the kill anyway?

speaking of engagement, was Bob going to propose to Sue in the martal sense?
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does the short item have any tandem components? Noish ie something on a chain? Not this
does it require two hands? Yesish

if the item was long enough would he have tried to kill her with it in the relevant moment? If by "He" you mean "Bob", then no

was Bob going to engage with Sue so that a teammate would go for the kill If by "engage" you mean "rotate", yes , then Bob did not rotate Yes, but the teammate went for the kill anyway? A different teammate went for the kill

speaking of engagement, was Bob going to propose to Sue in the martal sense? No

RECAP:

There are 4 characters in the puzzle so far:

Sue - Had the sword stabbed into her back
Bob - Sue's boyfriend, on opposite teams from Sue, didn't want to rotate.

And two more than we haven't given names to but I'll do so here:
Bill - On Bob's team, stabbed Sue with sword
John - Also on Bob's team, no other information found yet

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Recap Blooper:

You do know one other piece of information about John - he is the one who would have gone for the kill if Bob had rotated.
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so, I have always assumed that Bob was the one holding the short "it", am I correct or mistaken in this assumption? Did Sue happen to have the short "it"?


did Sue come after Bob with the item that happened to be too short? and missed? and Bob would have to rotate to kill her (and expose himself), so Bill killed Sue with the sword? But, if Bob had rotated, John would have protected Bob and killed Sue with his sword?
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so, I have always assumed that Bob was the one holding the short "it", am I correct or mistaken in this assumption? You are mistaken Did Sue happen to have the short "it"? No


did Sue come after Bob with the item that happened to be too short? No and missed? N/A because of previous no and Bob would have to rotate to kill her (and expose himself) No, so Bill killed Sue with the sword? Yes But, if Bob had rotated, John would have protected Bob Noish and killed Sue Yes with his sword? No
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did John have the short "it"?
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did John have the short "it"? Yes
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so, trying to piece together the pieces of this puzzle (sorry if I repeat things)

here's a guess of the scenario...hope I'm getting closer!
John had the short "it", and wanted to kill Sue with it if Bob rotated. But the short "it" was too short, so Bob didn't want to rotate. Because Bob didn't rotate, Bill killed Sue with his longer sword by stabbing her in the back.

do we need to know where everyone is standing in this puzzle?
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Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so, trying to piece together the pieces of this puzzle (sorry if I repeat things)

here's a guess of the scenario...hope I'm getting closer!
John had the short "it" Yes, and wanted to kill Sue with it if Bob rotated. Yes But the short "it" was too short, so Bob didn't want to rotate.No, the reason Bob didn't want to rotate has nothing to do with it being too short Because Bob didn't rotate, Bill killed Sue with his longer sword by stabbing her in the back. Yes, but FA - John's "too short" weapon is not a sword

do we need to know where everyone is standing in this puzzle? This would definitely help
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hint: The item that was "too short" was an arrow.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the arrow too short to use? was it broken? was it short compared to other arrows? was its range too short?
was John going to use the arrow like a hand weapon?

were all the fighters within sight of one another?
was Sue unaware of 1 fighter? 2? 3?
If Bob had rotated would he have gotten out of the way so that John could get to Sue with the arrow?

Did Bob refuse to rotate in order to block John's attack thereby enabling Bill's more successful attack?
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the arrow too short to use? No was it broken? No was it short compared to other arrows? No was its range too short? Yes
was John going to use the arrow like a hand weapon? No

were all the fighters within sight of one another? Yes
was Sue unaware of 1 fighter? 2? 3? Sue was aware of all the fighters
If Bob had rotated would he have gotten out of the way so that John could get to Sue with the arrow? Yes

Did Bob refuse to rotate in order to block John's attack No, Bob was on John's team thereby enabling Bill's more successful attack? But this was the effect

You almost have all the elements. Recap coming shortly.
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This puzzle has died (I forgot to post the recap) so I'll just spoil now:



SPOILER

This actually happened at my LARP group (I was John). John, Bob, and Bill were on one team, and Sue was on another team. Bob told John to shoot at Sue because she was a healer and was healing her teammates, but said to be careful not to hit her in the head because she was his girlfriend. John tried to shoot, but since the arrow was too short it could not be drawn back far enough, making the shot miss, and Sue ran away. As John moved into position for another shot, Bob suddenly ran up and hugged Sue - completely blocking John's line of fire. John told Bob to rotate so that he could see Sue to shoot at, but Bob didn't want to. While Bob and Sue were locked in their loving embrace, Bill snuck around and stabbed Sue in the back.

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