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Eli (Eli)
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It seems fairly pointless to me, and many others, that they actually pay money for it.
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Is "it" a service? Product? Tangible object?

Are "they" a specifc group of people? Human adults? Genders relevant? Are they linked in any way other than paying money for "it"?

Does it seem pointless to you because...
You can't see why they would want "it"? Or at least why ayone would want it enough to pay money for it?
"It" is available for free anyway?
"It" itself is pointless?

Even if it seems fairly pointless, can you see why there would be some point to paying money for it?

Do you have some information that "they" don't have, reharding why it would be pointless?
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Are you talking about Oxygen? And how people pay to use "Oxygen Parlours" to breathe in un-polluted oxygen?
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Is "it" a service? This is closest Product? but some might define it also as a product Tangible object? Nope

Are "they" a specifc group of people? Yes Human adults? Yes, definitely Genders relevant? Yope Are they linked in any way other than paying money for "it"? Yes, there is a common factor that all of them share.

Does it seem pointless to you because...
You can't see why they would want "it"? No Or at least why ayone would want it enough to pay money for it? No
"It" is available for free anyway? Not at all
"It" itself is pointless? Not really. Worth exploring.

Even if it seems fairly pointless, can you see why there would be some point to paying money for it? In theory, yes

Do you have some information that "they" don't have, reharding why it would be pointless? Yes, but the information would be easily accessible

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Are you talking about Oxygen? And how people pay to use "Oxygen Parlours" to breathe in un-polluted oxygen? No to both
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Is it something that you would just pay for once? Or would the people prepared to pay money for it pay that money more than once?
Are "they" linked by anything related to:
Gender?
Age?
Appearance?
Family status?
Income/wealth?
Social class/status?

The size of the group,is it:
1-100?
100-500?
500-1000?
1000-100,000?
More?

Could it be said that "they" buy "it"? Or would this not really be accurate?

If somebody was allowing everybody to get "it" for free, would you take advantage of that?
Is it relevant how much "they" pay for "it"? Do you feel like they pay too much? Or would paying even the smallest amount seem pointless to you?

If "they" were told the information that you have but they don't, would they stop paying money for "it"?
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Is there another product/service that is a clear substitute for it, that doesn't require paying money? that requires paying less money? Is the "information" information about this substitute?

Is the "information" information about how to get it or make it yourself, so you don't have to pay money for it?

Are the people buying it misled as to the nature or the "product"?

Is is because the "product" is something that you're supposed to acquire for yourself, so buying it would defeat the purpose? Like buying Xbox360 "gamerscore" points on Ebay? (Yes, people actually do this now.) Or spending real money on World of Warcraft gold? Are computer/video games relevant at all?

Would this be a "product" you would likely find in a store? If so, most likely type of store:

Supermarket?
Bookstore?
Electronics store? (like Best Buy?)
Home supply store (like Home Depot?)
Office supply store (like Office Depot?)
Specialty store?

Can the "product" best be described as an "experience"? like going to an amusement park? or a sporting event?
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Is it something that you would just pay for once? Depends on the situation, but no one is paying for “it” on a regular basis, not even annually Or would the people prepared to pay money for it pay that money more than once? See answer above
Are "they" linked by anything related to:
Gender?
Age?
Appearance?
Family status? Yes
Income/wealth?
Social class/status? No to rest, even though they all have to be above a certain age.

The size of the group,is it:
1-100?
100-500?
500-1000?
1000-100,000?
More? In total I guess it might actually be this

Could it be said that "they" buy "it"? Yes, they do Or would this not really be accurate? So no

If somebody was allowing everybody to get "it" for free, would you take advantage of that? No, because I wouldn’t be one of “them”, ie I do not fall in to that group
Is it relevant how much "they" pay for "it"? Not really Do you feel like they pay too much? In fairness, I have no idea what they pay, so I can’t say Or would paying even the smallest amount seem pointless to you? Yes, unless it was extremely cheap

If "they" were told the information that you have but they don't, would they stop paying money for "it"? Maybe not all, but I guess some would reconsider, maybe find alternatives

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Is there another product/service that is a clear substitute for it, that doesn't require paying money? that requires paying less money? Is the "information" information about this substitute? No to all

Is the "information" information about how to get it or make it yourself, so you don't have to pay money for it? No

Are the people buying it misled as to the nature or the "product"? No

Is is because the "product" is something that you're supposed to acquire for yourself, so buying it would defeat the purpose? No Like buying Xbox360 "gamerscore" points on Ebay? So no (Yes, people actually do this now.) Or spending real money on World of Warcraft gold? and no Are computer/video games relevant at all? Nope

Would this be a "product" you would likely find in a store? No If so, most likely type of store:

Supermarket?
Bookstore?
Electronics store? (like Best Buy?)
Home supply store (like Home Depot?)
Office supply store (like Office Depot?)
Specialty store?

Can the "product" best be described as an "experience"? Some would call it that, at least part of it like going to an amusement park? or a sporting event? But none of these
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Is this puzzle rated U?
The people who pay for it: all single? married? in a relationship? adults? over 16? 18? 21? 30? 60?
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Oh, and do you think they should ask for their money back? would they be likely to get it back?
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Is this puzzle rated U? Not sure what these letters mean, but it is not an "adult" puzzle
The people who pay for it: all single? married? in a relationship? adults? over 16? 18? 21? 30? 60? Must be adults, and over 30, but not likely to be more than 60. Most married, but not all

Oh, and do you think they should ask for their money back? Yes would they be likely to get it back? Wouldn't think so, no.
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Do these people have children?
Is the thing they pay for in any way related to having children? to giving birth to children? to sending them to school? college?
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Do these people have children? Yes
Is the thing they pay for in any way related to having children? Yope, it is related to their children, but it's not something all parents do to giving birth to children? to sending them to school? college? None of these, but you're on the right track sort of
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Is it something people buy for their children? At a specific point in the child's life? While the child is under 5? 5-10? 10-15? 15-20? 21+?

Is it related to...

...education?
...health care?
...transportation?
...entertainment?

Also, is this correct: The "product" itself isn't pointless, and you can understand why someone would want it enough to pay money for it, it's not available for free elsewhere and no free substitutes are available, but nevertheless you think paying money for it is pointless.

Is it a kind of award? or recognition? prize? academic award?

It it common to get it without paying money?

Is the "experience" best described as "attending an event"? like a movie? training session? seminar?

Is the "experience" best described as "putting on your own event", like a wedding? bar mitzvah? bridal shower? some kind of party?

Does it involve playing a game? Does it involve physical activity? Is it a sport?

The people providing the service/product would be in which of the following occupations:

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
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Is it something people buy for their children? Yes At a specific point in the child's life? But not really this, not like it’s for a 16th birthday or similar, but they have to be a certain age While the child is under 5? 5-10? 10-15? 15-20? Which is usually this age gap 21+? But sometimes also in their early 20’s

Is it related to...

...education? This
...health care?
...transportation?
...entertainment?

Also, is this correct: The "product" itself isn't pointless, and you can understand why someone would want it enough to pay money for it, it's not available for free elsewhere and no free substitutes are available, but nevertheless you think paying money for it is pointless. I can understand why you would want to pay for this in theory, but…..

Is it a kind of award? or recognition? prize? academic award? No

It it common to get it without paying money? Not at all

Is the "experience" best described as "attending an event"? like a movie? training session? seminar? Attending - yes-ish, event - no

Is the "experience" best described as "putting on your own event", like a wedding? bar mitzvah? bridal shower? some kind of party? No to all

Does it involve playing a game? Does it involve physical activity? Is it a sport? No to all

The people providing the service/product would be in which of the following occupations:

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ? This
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
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University/college relevant? Graduating? Qualifications? Paying tuition fees?
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Enjay

University/college relevant? Not really, even though I suspect most children who do this would be a (potential) college/university student Graduating? No Qualifications? It has to do with increasing qualifications, but beware of false assumptions Paying tuition fees? No
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Would it even be possible, in theory, to get it without paying money? Or is the act of paying money for it an integral part of the "product" itself?

Would it be something you would get for a child who was...

...preparing to graduate from high school?
...just graduated from high school?
...about to enter college/university?
...preparing to graduate from college/university?
...just graduated from college/university?
...entering graduate school?

"It has to do with increasing qualifications, but beware of false assumptions" - the person whose qualifications are being increased is...

...the child for whom the "product" is being bought?
...the parents?
...the person providing the product?
...somebody else entirely?
...something that's not even a person? an organization? university rankings relevant?

Is the child the person who is receiving the "education"? Tutoring? Standardized test preparation? College counseling?

Is the child the person who is providing the "education"? Like one of those camps where you pay money to be sent to a Third World country to do volunteer work? Do you think it's pointless because the money would be better spent just giving it directly to a charitable organization?
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Would it even be possible, in theory, to get it without paying money? Not really. Person A and B, having been given the same product/service, will both have to have paid for it. However, there might be a few very obscure situations where the parents would be able to get the result without paying the money, but those are so rare and freakily coincidental that the chance is negligible Or is the act of paying money for it an integral part of the "product" itself? No

Would it be something you would get for a child who was...

...preparing to graduate from high school?
...just graduated from high school? This
...about to enter college/university? or this
...preparing to graduate from college/university?
...just graduated from college/university?
...entering graduate school?

"It has to do with increasing qualifications, but beware of false assumptions" - the person whose qualifications are being increased is...

...the child for whom the "product" is being bought? This
...the parents?
...the person providing the product?
...somebody else entirely?
...something that's not even a person? an organization? university rankings relevant?

Is the child the person who is receiving the "education"? Yes, it is Tutoring? Standardized test preparation? College counseling? But none of these

Is the child the person who is providing the "education"? No Like one of those camps where you pay money to be sent to a Third World country to do volunteer work? No Do you think it's pointless because the money would be better spent just giving it directly to a charitable organization? No, cause then the child might actually LEARN something, lol
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Do you think that it's "pointless" because...

...the child isn't actually learning anything?
...the stuff the child is learning isn't going to be useful?
...the stuff the child is actually learning isn't the same as what he's supposed to be learning?
...by the time the child learns the stuff, he doesn't need it anymore?
...If it's possible to buy the product, then that means he doesn't need it? Like the joke about the sign that says "If you're illiterate, call us for help?"

The thing the child learns...

...an academic subject? particular subjects relevant? math? science? english?
...study skills?
...computer/technology skills?
...job skills?
...life skills? personal finance?
...related to protecting yourself from something? self-defense? avoiding scams?
...a particular piece of information? about how to get something? how to get into college? how to get financial aid?

Does the "experience" generally last less than...

...10 seconds?
...1 minute?
...1 hour?
...1 day?
...1 week?
...1 month?
...3 months?
...6 months?
...1 year?
...10 years?

Does the educational experience involve...

...reading something?
...seeing something?
...listening to something?
...a "real-world" experience?
...an interactive experience?
...one-on-one instruction?
...a presentation given by someone in person?
...an audiovisual presentation?
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Do you think that it's "pointless" because...

...the child isn't actually learning anything? This, or at least they can’t learn much
...the stuff the child is learning isn't going to be useful?
...the stuff the child is actually learning isn't the same as what he's supposed to be learning?
...by the time the child learns the stuff, he doesn't need it anymore?
...If it's possible to buy the product, then that means he doesn't need it? Like the joke about the sign that says "If you're illiterate, call us for help?" No to rest

The thing the child learns...

...an academic subject? particular subjects relevant? math? science? english? This
...study skills?
...computer/technology skills?
...job skills?
...life skills? personal finance?
...related to protecting yourself from something? self-defense? avoiding scams?
...a particular piece of information? about how to get something? how to get into college? how to get financial aid? No to rest

Does the "experience" generally last less than...

...10 seconds?
...1 minute?
...1 hour?
...1 day?
...1 week?
...1 month? Usually around this
...3 months? But maybe you will find some options that last this long, and no to all the rest
...6 months?
...1 year?
...10 years?

Does the educational experience involve...

...reading something?
...seeing something?
...listening to something?
...a "real-world" experience?
...an interactive experience?
...one-on-one instruction?
...a presentation given by someone in person?
...an audiovisual presentation? I would say probably a little bit of all, but mostly reading, listening, interactive, real-world. Try to find out the exact nature of the “experience” and you will understand.
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Perhaps it's a fee for review on a per-question basis for standardized tests like the SAT, that explicitly tells students what questions they missed (which probably has more to do with the test being at 5am more than anything) and why the correct answers were correct?

Or maybe it's a test-taking aid or something; for example, a book that teaches students how to properly take the SAT?

Are standardized tests at all relevant?
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Tweek

Perhaps it's a fee for review on a per-question basis for standardized tests like the SAT, that explicitly tells students what questions they missed (which probably has more to do with the test being at 5am more than anything) and why the correct answers were correct? No

Or maybe it's a test-taking aid or something; for example, a book that teaches students how to properly take the SAT? No

Are standardized tests at all relevant? As far as I know, there are no tests involved at all.
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"They can't learn much"
Because what's being taught is trivial and they already know it? Because the sort of child you'd send on this course is too stupid to learn much? Because the way it is being taught is ineffective?
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"They can't learn much"
Because what's being taught is trivial and they already know it? Because the sort of child you'd send on this course is too stupid to learn much? Because the way it is being taught is ineffective? Hmm, no to all, with a slight No-ish to the last one. It is not really the way it's taught that is the problem.
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Just to clarify the answer to one of the questions above:

It is an academic subject, correct?
Is the subject English?

If so, does it involve one of the following...

...spelling?
...grammar?
...writing?
...reading?
...penmanship?
...analyzing literature?
...analyzing/developing an argument?

Is the material that is being taught...

...factually incorrect?
...misleading?
...biased?
...obsolete? because of changes in knowledge? values? technology?
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Just to clarify the answer to one of the questions above:

It is an academic subject, correct? The teaching/tuition would not be considered to be at an academic level
Is the subject English? Yes


If so, does it involve one of the following...
It will at stages involve all sides of the English language, except analyzing literature
...spelling?
...grammar?
...writing?
...reading?
...penmanship?
...analyzing literature?
...analyzing/developing an argument?

Is the material that is being taught...
None of these actually
...factually incorrect?
...misleading?
...biased?
...obsolete? because of changes in knowledge? values? technology?

Recap/hint to follow shortly, as I can see that the possible FA I mentioned earlier has kicked in, lol
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So they're "learning" English, and it is categorized under "hospitality/travel"...

...are the students traveling? within their own country? to another country?
...is it some kind of immersion program? English immersion program? study abroad? "domestic study abroad"?
...is English the native language of the students?
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So they're "learning" English, and it is categorized under "hospitality/travel"...

...are the students traveling? YES! within their own country? to another country? Yes
...is it some kind of immersion program? English immersion program? study abroad? "domestic study abroad"? I guess it would be sort of an immersion programme as you're surrounded by the language daily.
...is English the native language of the students? No

Seems like you're clever enough to not need a recap, Alexander. But I have prepared it, so I will post it before I leave work.
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Recap

Some parents pay for a product/service for their children. This is to increase the children’s qualifications. The subject taught is English. The children are in their late teens, but occasionally/rarely early twenties.

However, something about this service is not as it seems. It may seem logical to buy it, but there is a factor that decreases the effect quiet much.

Things to determine:
Why parents would think this is a good idea
What the service/event is (remember it is not something that “takes place”, it goes on for about a month)
What is the factor that decreases the effect of the "service"
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ESL testing relevant?

English tutoring from people who aren't fluent in English?

A brief study-abroad program that doesn't really 'immerse' students in anything? For example, a tour group of foreign exchange students (or something similar) that rarely ever comes in contact with native English speakers?

Something that teaches children exactly how not to speak English properly?
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ESL testing relevant?

English tutoring from people who aren't fluent in English?

A brief study-abroad program that doesn't really 'immerse' students in anything? For example, a tour group of foreign exchange students (or something similar) that rarely ever comes in contact with native English speakers? Well, this is close enough for a spioler.

Something that teaches children exactly how not to speak English properly?


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Every summer thousands of young students, mostly Spanish, swarm in on Dublin "to learn English better". The idea is to have a few hours of school every day, and then learn by practice as they are in an English speaking country. However, they do not mix with the Irish, but stay together, often in groups of 20-30 and among themselves they of course only speak Spanish. So their parents would be better off hiring an English teacher back home. At least that would have been cheaper, lol

In fact, most Dubliners I know are quite annoyed with them, because they show little consideration for other people. As they usually group together in large groups, people have to walk around them, often off the pavement and in to the street. Including old people and women with babies.

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