| Author | Message | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1904 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hey guys...shaking the dust off the keyboard to get back to puzzling... It can be said that, in parts of the world today, businesses enjoy higher profits because of a man whose writings appear in many books. Ironically, he didn't know that anyone appreciated his writings at the time, and even if most of us were given the chance to meet him face-to-face he wouldn't think we appreciated them either. Who is he? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1104 Registered: 6-2005 |
Mkay... basics... The writer = Human? Adult? Male? Dead? He's from... the Middle East? Europe? North America? South America? Asia? Australia? India? The Pacific Islands? Atlantic Islands? Indian Ocean islands? Antarctica? The era he is from... 20th century? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th?.... 10000 yrs BC? The future? His main job was as a... artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Law enforcement? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? And the random guesses... Jesus? Abraham? Moses? Shakespeare? Dale Carnegie? Nixon? Sun Tzu? Thoreau? Dave Barry? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1905 Registered: 1-2001 |
Mkay... basics... always a good place to start... The writer = Human? Adult? Male? Dead? Yes He's from...Europe? yes The era he is from...18th century? yes His main job was as a... artistic/musical/writer? yes Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment yes, but in his time would not have been considered this Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Law enforcement? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? And the random guesses... Jesus? Abraham? Moses? Shakespeare? Dale Carnegie? Nixon? Sun Tzu? Thoreau? Dave Barry? None of these, but what an assortment! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2349 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey Ix - welcome back. Are the writings in question words? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1107 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is his work/writings... Sentences? Statements? Questions? Answers? Symbols? Poetry? Prose? Jokes? Philosphy? Predictions of the future? Astrology? Did he invent the copyright? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1909 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hey Ix - welcome back. Thanks! Are the writings in question words? Yes Is his work/writings... Sentences? Statements? Questions? Answers? possibly and probably all of these Symbols? Very likely as well Poetry? Prose? Jokes? Philosphy? Predictions of the future? Astrology? Hard to say, but most likely none of these Did he invent the copyright? No | ||
| Wildcard (Wildcard)
New member Username: Wildcard Post Number: 839 Registered: 8-2001 |
Do his writings appear in a particular place in writings? Related to footnotes? Cliche's? Formatting? Index? Bibliography? His writing only in non-fiction? Have to do with copyright? Did he hold some official office? Related to publications? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1117 Registered: 6-2005 |
European writer... British? Spanish? German? French? Dutch? Italian? Swiss? Austrian? Greek? Belgian? Danish? Scandinavian? Portuguese? Polish? Czec? Other? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 962 Registered: 6-2001 |
Intrigued by the statement of the puzzle... He didn't feel appreciated... because no-one knew of his writings? because they acted in a way that was contrary to his advice/philosophy? because they just simply ignored him? Do we do the same thing? or would he think we didn't appreciate him for a different reason? Particular kind of businesses? Shops? Law firms? cafes/restaurants? service industry? Particular parts of the world...? Europe? North America? Central America? South America? africa? Asia? Middle East? Australia? New Zealand? on the oceans? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1910 Registered: 1-2001 |
Do his writings appear in a particular place in writings? Not sure, can you rephrase? Related to footnotes? No Cliche's? No Formatting? No Index? No Bibliography? No His writing only in non-fiction? Technically yes but likely wouldn't really be called this Have to do with copyright? No Did he hold some official office? No Related to publications? No European yes writer yes but explore... British? Spanish? German? French? Dutch? Italian? Swiss? Austrian? This Greek? Belgian? Danish? Scandinavian? Portuguese? Polish? Czec? Other? Intrigued by the statement of the puzzle... I'm glad someone is, because I usually don't host this type of puzzle but wanted to 'branch out' a little... He didn't feel appreciated... because no-one knew of his writings? Several people knew of them, this was not the reason he felt un-appreciated because they acted in a way that was contrary to his advice/philosophy? No because they just simply ignored him? Yes, at least he thought so...explore! Do we do the same thing? or would he think we didn't appreciate him for a different reason? There are two main reasons that we would have trouble convincing him that he is appreciated, and two things that we would need to convince him we appreciate about him - depending on how much you know about him and whether or not you've had the chance to learn about his impact on business you may not appreciate him at all, while others may appreciate him very much This is a good question, tough to answer as written, but with more exploration may lead quickly to the solution Particular kind of businesses? Yes, most likely... Shops? Yes Law firms? Probably not cafes/restaurants? Probably not service industry? Probably not Particular parts of the world...? Europe? I've never been to Europe, but I'm sure it is the case there North America? Yes, since that is where I live and have experienced the 'impact' myself as well as heard about it on the news Central America? South America? africa? Asia? Middle East? It is probably not the case in any of these places Australia? Could likely be the case there New Zealand? As well as there on the oceans? No, I'd say not likely good q's from all! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2357 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did he write: Books? Greeting cards? Ad copy? Graffiti? Lyrics? Music? Essays? Editorials? News articles? Reviews? Disclaimers? Letters? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1914 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did he write: Books? Greeting cards? Ad copy? Graffiti? Lyrics? None so far, but... Music? Yes Essays? Editorials? News articles? Reviews? Disclaimers? Letters? No to these | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1915 Registered: 1-2001 |
A better response to the last question set would be: Music? Yes, and another type of writing that leads to the solution of the puzzle (but none of the above descriptions are accurate) | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1120 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was he a music historian? Ludwig Ritter von Koechel? First to catalog all of Mozart's work using the K-numbers? Basically invented the catalog? And businesses today get the bulk of their revenue from catalog orders... or website catalog orders? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1919 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he a music historian? No Ludwig Ritter von Koechel? No First to catalog all of Mozart's work using the K-numbers? No Basically invented the catalog? No And businesses today get the bulk of their revenue from catalog orders... or website catalog orders? A great idea, but not the right one in this case | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1124 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was he a composer? a method book writer? Create collections of books full of music? Was he a music critic? A critic in general? Did he create adaptations of previous works? Something else but related? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1920 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he a composer? Yes a method book writer? No Create collections of books full of music? Possibly, but those aren't the relevant books here Was he a music critic? Probably, but not as an official title (just the nature of the kind of person he was) A critic in general? No Did he create adaptations of previous works? No Something else but related? No | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1126 Registered: 6-2005 |
Ok... 18th century Austrian composers... was it any of these: Carl Georg Reutter Georg Christoph Wagenseil Leopold Mozart Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Joseph Haydn Johann Georg Albrechtsberger Michael Haydn Leopold Hoffman Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf Maria Theresa von Paradis Franz Xaver Süssmayr Johann Nepomuk Hummel Carl Czerny Franz Schubert | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1923 Registered: 1-2001 |
It was not any of the persons listed above. Someone may eventually hit on his name, but more exploration about his activities would likely be helpful. | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2001 |
Was he a poet as well? People "ignored" him... because they simply didn't pay attention? because he said "do this" and they did "that"? Is his effect on us a negative one in his opinion? (example would be that we used him as an example of how NOT to sell things) Relevant what kind of shops? Would his effect be the same the whole year round, or increased at particular times of the year? (consider list of months and seasons posted) Is he somehow responsible for mood music? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2362 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was he born in Austria? Did he have any relevant disability? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1925 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he a poet as well? Irrelevant People "ignored" him... because they simply didn't pay attention? No - people did pay attention because he said "do this" and they did "that"? No Is his effect on us a negative one in his opinion? (example would be that we used him as an example of how NOT to sell things) No, I'd say in his opinion it would be a positive one once he understood 20th-21st century business Relevant what kind of shops? Somewhat, yes Would his effect be the same the whole year round, or increased at particular times of the year? (consider list of months and seasons posted) It would be effective all year, possibly more effective around November-December Is he somehow responsible for mood music? Yes! Now figure out the context and its effect on business, and why the creator would have a hard time understanding Was he born in Austria? No Did he have any relevant disability? Yes | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2366 Registered: 2-2001 |
So I'm thinking LvB then? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1926 Registered: 1-2001 |
So I'm thinking LvB then? And you are correct! | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1152 Registered: 6-2005 |
Alright, since I know the accronym... how does a deaf composer equate to better business... Does it have to do with freelance work? Does it have to do with dedications? Does it have to do with his music? Does it have to do with his political beliefs? Other beleifs? Something related to his deafness? And is the reason he wouldn't think we appreciate him either because he wouldn't be able to hear our accolades? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1927 Registered: 1-2001 |
Alright, since I know the accronym... how does a deaf composer equate to better business... Does it have to do with freelance work? No Does it have to do with dedications? No Does it have to do with his music? Yes Does it have to do with his political beliefs? No Other beleifs? No Something related to his deafness? His effect on business has nothing to do with his deafness, but...the reason he wouldn't think we appreciate him either because he wouldn't be able to hear our accolades? ...this is one of the main reasons he wouldn't think we appreciate him and his work today. All that remains now is to determine the relevance of his writings and his effect on business | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1154 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does it have to do with telephone ringtones? The movies that borrowed his name? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1928 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does it have to do with telephone ringtones? The movies that borrowed his name? No to both of these | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 978 Registered: 6-2001 |
Well unlikely that shops had access to music in the same way back then... so would it be the case that he was writing mood music in a different context? about mood music in a different context? religious? our lack of appreciation... Is it because we are using different music? different instruments? because he couldn't see the instruments? Did he lay down some "principles" for creating moods... which have now been updated and changed? Is it too simplistic to say that shopkeepers have music playing that puts customers in a better mood to make purchases... (eg christmas music to get them thinking about christmas and hence buying presents etc...)? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1930 Registered: 1-2001 |
Well unlikely that shops had access to music in the same way back then... so would it be the case that he was writing mood music in a different context? about mood music in a different context? You're very much on the right track here - 'mood music' is very relevant here, and you are right in saying that it would not have been in existence back then. Now just make the connection between this kind of music and profitability for businesses... religious? Not relevant our lack of appreciation... Is it because we are using different music? No different instruments? No because he couldn't see the instruments? No, he could see them Did he lay down some "principles" for creating moods... which have now been updated and changed? No Is it too simplistic to say that shopkeepers have music playing that puts customers in a better mood to make purchases...Yes! It also affects the mood of certain other people, and discovering this will basically solve the puzzle! (eg christmas music to get them thinking about christmas and hence buying presents etc...)? This is not the effect in context here, but is another positive effect | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 981 Registered: 6-2001 |
children? shop assistants? shoplifters? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1931 Registered: 1-2001 |
children? shop assistants? no, but...shoplifters? yes! can you elaborate just a bit? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 986 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hmm.... ok so we talking shoplifters here... and the music... deters them? makes them more nervous? so they stand out more? makes them super confident? so they make more mistakes? and get caught more often? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1932 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hmm.... ok so we talking shoplifters here... and the music... deters them? Yes, exactly! Anyone want to take a shot at the relevance of the writings, and LvB's perceived lack of appreciation? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 991 Registered: 6-2001 |
So... he wrote diary entries? about how music could affect moods... was he concerned with developing different moods? ie he would not appreciate our use of it because it was not the main way he saw it being used... or are you just making a statement about the quality of the music? Is it something to do with lack of percussion tracks? so making it harder for him to sense them? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1933 Registered: 1-2001 |
So...he wrote diary entries? No about how music could affect moods...He possibly wrote about this, but it would not have been a primary subject but was he concerned with developing different moods? No ie he would not appreciate our use of it because it was not the main way he saw it being used... or are you just making a statement about the quality of the music? His appreciation of our use is not relevant Is it something to do with lack of percussion tracks? No so making it harder for him to sense them? It wasn't anything about his performance of his music that was hard for him to sense, it was something else. If you can supply that detail we'll call this one done... | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 994 Registered: 6-2001 |
but not to do with his deafness (as per question already asked)? does it relate to sound? Did he write about quality of tunes? about the instruments? about the observed effects of music on people? Is it to do with the tracks of his that we use? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1934 Registered: 1-2001 |
but not to do with his deafness (as per question already asked)? His deafness is directly related to what he could not sense (sorry if this was confusing) does it relate to sound? Yes, to a specific sound Did he write about quality of tunes? Possibly about the instruments? Likely about the observed effects of music on people? Likely, and this is the key element that he was mistaken about due to his deafness Is it to do with the tracks of his that we use? No - we're almost done since we have established that Beethoven's music serves to help business today by creating a mood that deters would-be shoplifters, but this would be hard for him to understand for several reasons, namely because IF he were here today, he couldn't hear us if we spoke and may not understand sign language...this is where the 'writings' of his come into play. It's likely he wrote about quality of music, tones, instruments, and many other music-related subjects, but why did he write about this? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1010 Registered: 6-2001 |
So was he writing about how you could represent things/people using different instruments/musical phrases etc...? And we use these descriptions to create the feelings rather than represent them.... hmm that's kinda unclear isn't it? eg Bells are used to create a christmas feel, whereas he would have been concerned with representing the sounds of Christmas...sleigh bells church bells etc... so we are actually paying quite close homage to his work, but the context would suggest to him otherwise? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1935 Registered: 1-2001 |
So was he writing about how you could represent things/people using different instruments/musical phrases etc...? Probably these subjects and others, yes And we use these descriptions to create the feelings rather than represent them.... hmm that's kinda unclear isn't it? eg Bells are used to create a christmas feel, whereas he would have been concerned with representing the sounds of Christmas...sleigh bells church bells etc... so we are actually paying quite close homage to his work, but the context would suggest to him otherwise? Well, this is probably true but a different direction than needed...I'll go ahead and fill in the final elements: *** SPOILER *** It has been tested and supposedly proven in recent years that stores can deter loiterers and shoplifters by playing music by classical composers such as Beethoven. If he were alive today, he would have a hard time knowing why his music was appreciated for several reasons: - He wouldn't understand modern business - He wouldn't speak English - He would possibly be deaf, as he was in his later years, which brings us to the subject of the books. When he went deaf, he communicated to many close friends by trading journal-type books where they exchanged notes. The notes had nothing to do with business practices, but with his music. He hoped that people appreciated his music then, but it is said that when he went completely deaf he would perform before audiences, and hear no response when he was done. Lest he think no one appreciated the music, someone had to physically turn Beethoven around to face the audience so that he could see that they truly appreciated the music. Thanks to all players, especially Tsoram for some good work at the end. |
