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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Annabeth is not at all bigoted against gays, & she knows that her friend Hugh isn't either. Yet she was embarrassed to tell Hugh that her next door neighbors were gay. How come??
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Is she embarassed to tell Hugh HOW she knows they are gay? Does her embarassment have something to do with what she's seen through the window? Something to do with how she's previously addressed her neighbors? Something to do with how Hugh has addressed her neighbors? A comment that was made?
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Is she embarassed to tell Hugh HOW she knows they are gay?no Does her embarassment have something to do with what she's seen through the window? no Something to do with how she's previously addressed her neighbors? no Something to do with how Hugh has addressed her neighbors? noA comment that was made? yes
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Had her neighbors made a comment that embarassed her? Like finding her friend Hugh cute? And wanted to invite him over for some... ahem... fun?
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Is Hugh gay? Straight? Bi? Are the neighbors male? Female? Relevant?
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Was the relevant comment made by the neighbors? By Annabeth? By Hugh?
Was the relevant comment made TO the neighbors? To Annabeth? To Hugh?

Had she previously made a comment to the effect that her neighbors were NOT gay? So she felt embarrassed to admit that she was wrong? Would she be equally embarrassed to tell someone other than Hugh who was also not bigoted against gays?
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Does Hugh know the neighbors in some other context (coworkers, relatives, etc.)?
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Had her neighbors made a comment that embarassed her?no Like finding her friend Hugh cute?no And wanted to invite him over for some... ahem... fun?no
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Is Hugh gay? irrel Straight? ditto Bi? ditto Are the neighbors male? irrelFemale? ditto Relevant? no
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Was the relevant comment made by the neighbors? no By Annabeth?yes By Hugh? yes
Was the relevant comment made TO the neighbors? no To Annabeth? yes To Hugh? yes

Had she previously made a comment to the effect that her neighbors were NOT gay? no So she felt embarrassed to admit that she was wrong? no Would she be equally embarrassed to tell someone other than Hugh who was also not bigoted against gays? no
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Does Hugh know the neighbors in some other context (coworkers, relatives, etc.)? no
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So there is a relevant conversation between Annabeth and Hugh? Does this conversation concern the neighbors? Does it concern bigotry? Homosexuality?
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Does the conversation go something along the lines of...
"I'll bet they're gay."
"I'll bet they're not!"
"I'll bet you one night of passion that they are!"
"Deal!"
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Did A think that her neighbours' sexual orientation was none of her business, so she didn't want to comment on it? Would she have been equally embarrassed to tell H that her neighbours were straight? Were A and H usually comfortable discussing who was sleeping with whom? Were the neighbours roommates or a couple? Is that relevant?
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So there is a relevant conversation between Annabeth and Hugh? yes Does this conversation concern the neighbors? yes Does it concern bigotry? yes Homosexuality? no
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Does the conversation go something along the lines of...
"I'll bet they're gay."
"I'll bet they're not!"
"I'll bet you one night of passion that they are!"
"Deal!" no
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Did A think that her neighbours' sexual orientation was none of her business, so she didn't want to comment on it? no Would she have been equally embarrassed to tell H that her neighbours were straight? noWere A and H usually comfortable discussing who was sleeping with whom?no Were the neighbours roommates or a couple? yes Is that relevant? yes
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Did the conversation imply that the neighbors themselves were bigots? So upon learning that they were gay, that previous position seemed less likely?

Did Annabeth know at the time of the relevant conversation that her neighbors were gay?
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Did the conversation imply that the neighbors themselves were bigots? no So upon learning that they were gay, that previous position seemed less likely? no

Did Annabeth know at the time of the relevant conversation that her neighbors were gay? yes
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During the conversation did Annabeth and Hugh share their attitudes towards bigotry? did they discuss bigotry?
Did they discuss general bigotry? bigotry toward a specific race? lifestyle?
Is the subject of gay marriage relevant?
is a person other than the gay couple, Annabeth and Hugh relevant?
any bigoted act rel? any bigoted statement?
Is she embarassed to act against her beliefs?
is more than 1 conversation relevant?
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During the conversation did Annabeth and Hugh share their attitudes towards bigotry? yes did they discuss bigotry? yesish
Did they discuss general bigotry? see next answers bigotry toward a specific race? yesish lifestyle? yesish
Is the subject of gay marriage relevant? no
is a person other than the gay couple, Annabeth and Hugh relevant? yope
any bigoted act rel? any bigoted statement?
Is she embarassed to act against her beliefs? N/A
is more than 1 conversation relevant? yes
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HINT: Get background information about Hugh & Annabeth.
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any bigoted act rel? no any bigoted statement? no

ANOTHER HINT: Find out more about Hugh & Annabeth's political outlooks
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Are the neighbours black? white? are Annabeth and Hugh black? white?
are either Annabeth or Hugh bigotted against anyone other than gays? are they racist? is either of them?
Did the neighbours do something which Annabeth and Hugh interpreted as bigotry, but is explicable by their being gay? (I can't think of anything, but I suppose it's possible...)
If the neighbours were two gay men who weren't a couple, would Annabeth still be embarrassed to tell Hugh this?
Is she embarrassed because it means something she said in a previous conversation is unjustified? something that Hugh said in a previous conversation is unjustified?
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Are the neighbours black? no white? yes are Annabeth and Hugh black?Annabeth is white; High can be any race white?See previous answer
are either Annabeth or Hugh bigotted against anyone other than gays? no are they racist? no is either of them? no
Did the neighbours do something which Annabeth and Hugh interpreted as bigotry, but is explicable by their being gay? no (I can't think of anything nor can I, but I suppose it's possible...)
If the neighbours were two gay men who weren't a couple, would Annabeth still be embarrassed to tell Hugh this? no
Is she embarrassed because it means something she said in a previous conversation is unjustified? yopesomething that Hugh said in a previous conversation is unjustified? no
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Had she previously seen both neighbours? Knew that they were same sex? that they were both white?
Is gay marriage/civil union relevant?
Were there only two neighbours? Did a woman live there (if the gay couple was male) or vice versa? A child?
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Had she previously seen both neighbours?yes Knew that they were same sex? yes that they were both white? yes
Is gay marriage/civil union relevant? no
Were there only two neighbours? irrel Did a woman live there (if the gay couple was male) or vice versa? irrel A child? irrel
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Is Hugh a big civil rights activist? Hold strong equality beliefs? Meanwhile, her gay neighbors discriminate against group X? Despite being in a discriminated group themselves? Had they been discriminatory towards Hugh? And Hugh was venting about white supremicist males needing to be on the receiving end of such behavior? Annabeth was embarassed to say something because she knew Hugh just needed to vent? And because their behavior was very contradictory?
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Is Hugh a big civil rights activist? possibly but not necessarily Hold strong equality beliefs? yes Meanwhile, her gay neighbors discriminate against group X? no Despite being in a discriminated group themselves? no Had they been discriminatory towards Hugh? no And Hugh was venting about white supremicist males needing to be on the receiving end of such behavior? no Annabeth was embarassed to say something because she knew Hugh just needed to vent? no And because their behavior was very contradictory? no
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Is it relevant that A is female? That H is male?
Does this have anything to do with gays in the military? Discrimination in employment? Discrimination in housing? Racist violence? Homophobic violence?
Is A's profession relevant? H's? the neighbors'?
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Is it relevant that A is female? no That H is male? no
Does this have anything to do with gays in the military? no Discrimination in employment?\b} no} Discrimination in housing? no Racist violence? Homophobic violence? no
Is A's profession relevant? H's? the neighbors'?
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Is A's profession relevant? no H's? the neighbors'? no
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Does Hugh live in Annabeth's neighborhood?
Was Annabeth complaining to Hugh that her neighborhood was so boring because everyone in it was white and straight?
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Does Hugh live in Annabeth's neighborhood? irrel
Was Annabeth complaining to Hugh that her neighborhood was so boring because everyone in it was white and straight? no
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Had Hugh said something that implied that he assumed that the neighbors were straight? Had Annabeth?
Were H and A discussing whether the neighbors had ever experienced bigotry? whether A had ever experienced bigotry? whether H had?
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Had Hugh said something that implied that he assumed that the neighbors were straight?no Had Annabeth?no
Were H and A discussing whether the neighbors had ever experienced bigotry?no whether A had ever experienced bigotry? no whether H had? no
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Do the neighbors have any other roommates? Or is it just the couple living together?
Is A's living situation relevant? Is H's?

Overall, is A liberal? Conservative? What about H?
Are any specific political beliefs relevant here, apart from those relating to race- and sexuality-based bigotry?
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Do the neighbors have any other roommates? no Or is it just the couple living together? yes
Is A's living situation relevant?yesish Is H's? no

Overall, is A liberal? yes Conservative? no What about H?irrel
Are any specific political beliefs relevant here, apart from those relating to race- and sexuality-based bigotry? no
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I'm surprised this hasn't been asked yet: is Annabeth gay? straight? bi? other? Is this relevant?

Does A live alone? with a spouse? with a partner? with children? with other family? with roommates?
Does A have a significant other she doesn't live with?
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I'm surprised this hasn't been asked yet: is Annabeth gay? no straight? yes bi? no other? Is this relevant? yes

Does A live alone? with a spouse? with a partner? with children? with other family? with roommates?
Does A have a significant other she doesn't live with? all these are irrel
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Is the only relevant(ish) aspect of A's living situation the fact that she has gay neighbors? Or is some other aspect relevant?

Does A live in a house? an apartment? a dormitory? Should we be finding out more about this neighborhood? (urban? suburban? rural? hippie commune?)

Was A embarrassed for herself? for H? because she felt foolish? because she had done something foolish? said something foolish? because H had done something foolish? said something foolish?
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Is the only relevant(ish) aspect of A's living situation the fact that she has gay neighbors?\bP yes, & something else you've already established--she doesn't live with her gay lover (as she's not gay)} Or is some other aspect relevant? see previous answer

Does A live in a house? irrelan apartment? irrel a dormitory? irrelShould we be finding out more about this neighborhood? (urban? suburban? rural? hippie commune?) no. it's irrel

Was A embarrassed for herself? yes for H? no because she felt foolish? yes because she had done something foolish? see next answer said something foolish? yes because H had done something foolish? no said something foolish? no
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A was embarrassed because she said something foolish to H? To the neighbors?
She said something foolish to H/the neighbors 'before' she found out the neighbors were gay? After she found out?
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A was embarrassed because she said something foolish to H? yesish To the neighbors? no
She said something foolish to H/the neighbors 'before' she found out the neighbors were gay? no After she found out? yes
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When A said the foolish thing, did she think that H already knew that the neighbors were gay?
But H didn't know the neighbors were gay?
So he misunderstood/didn't understand what A said?

Was A trying to make a joke?
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When A said the foolish thing, did she think that H already knew that the neighbors were gay? possibly
But H didn't know the neighbors were gay? He did not.
So he misunderstood/didn't understand what A said? no

Was A trying to make a joke? no
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The foolish thing A said: did it mention the neighbors? did it mention gay people in general? did it mention A's neighborhood?
Did A temporarily forget that the neighbors were gay? and therefore made a slip of the tongue?
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The foolish thing A said: did it mention the neighbors? yes did it mention gay people in general? no did it mention A's neighborhood? no
Did A temporarily forget that the neighbors were gay? and therefore made a slip of the tongue? no
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If H had known already that the neighbors were gay, would what A said still have been foolish?

Was A telling H about something the neighbors did? something they said? some interaction she had had with them? some characteristic they had?

Is it relevant that they are the next-door neighbors? Would the puzzle still work if they lived across the street from A? down the block? in another part of the neighborhood? Would the puzzle still work if A had known them in some other context?
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If H had known already that the neighbors were gay, would what A said still have been foolish? yope

Was A telling H about something the neighbors did? no something they said? no some interaction she had had with them? yope some characteristic they had? yes

Is it relevant that they are the next-door neighbors? no Would the puzzle still work if they lived across the street from A? yes down the block? yes in another part of the neighborhood? yes Would the puzzle still work if A had known them in some other context? yes
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Did A say a sentence? More than a sentence?
Did A say something about a physical characteristic the neighbors had? Something about their psychic?
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Did A say a sentence? yes More than a sentence? yes
Did A say something about a physical characteristic the neighbors had? no Something about their psychic? yes
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Did she call them some slang term behind their back, which H took literally and repeated to the neighbors, not knowing about their lifestyle?
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Did she call them some slang term behind their back, which H took literally and repeated to the neighbors, not knowing about their lifestyle? no
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HINT: Think about why it is so important that A. is liberal
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Is A running for office? Is she involved in some sort of political activism? Is an election relevant? Was A talking (speculating?) about the neighbors' political position?
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Is A running for office?no Is she involved in some sort of political activism? irrel Is an election relevant? no Was A talking (speculating?) about the neighbors' political position? no
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Is it relevant how A. would/did react to someone falsely assuming/concluding/thinking that she is gay?
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Is it relevant how A. would/did react to someone falsely assuming/concluding/thinking that she is gay? yes
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Did someone, in fact, falsely think A. was gay? If so, was it the neighbors? (one of them? both of them?) Did they say something to A. about it? Otherwise indicate their false belief to A.?

Because A. is liberal, does this mean she wouldn't mind so much if someone thought she was gay? Would she politely correct them? Would she not even do that?
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Did someone, in fact, falsely think A. was gay? no If so, was it the neighbors? n/a (one of them? n/a both of them?n/a) Did they say something to A. about it?n/a Otherwise indicate their false belief to A.?n/a

Because A. is liberal, does this mean she wouldn't mind so much if someone thought she was gay? yesWould she politely correct them? possiblyWould she not even do that? possibly
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Was A. talking to H. about the possibility of someone falsely thinking that she is gay?

When I was in college, the campus GLB group organized a "blue jeans for gay pride" day. I guess the idea was that straight people were supposed to wonder if, by wearing blue jeans, they would make people think they were gay, and to think about whether there was anything wrong with that. But I don't remember much about it. Is something like this relevant?
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Was A. talking to H. about the possibility of someone falsely thinking that she is gay? no

When I was in college, the campus GLB group organized a "blue jeans for gay pride" day. I guess the idea was that straight people were supposed to wonder if, by wearing blue jeans, they would make people think they were gay, and to think about whether there was anything wrong with that. But I don't remember much about it. Is something like this relevant? no
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And here, I thought I was making progress.

Had A. had any relevant conversation about how she would react if someone thought she was gay? If so, with the neighbors? with someone else not yet discovered?

It is mentioned above that A. and the neighbors are all white - is it also relevant how A. would react to a false assumption about her race? how the neighbors would react to a false assumption about theirs?

Is there any other relevant reason why A. must be liberal?
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Are the neighbors in any kind of relationship with Hugh (family)? Did she make a comment in such way that if Hugh find out about neighbors, he will think that she isn't so liberal? Is Hugh planing to move in with neighbors like a roommate?
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And here, I thought I was making progress.

Had A. had any relevant conversation about how she would react if someone thought she was gay? no If so, with the neighbors? with someone else not yet discovered?

It is mentioned above that A. and the neighbors are all white - is it also relevant how A. would react to a false assumption about her race? yes how the neighbors would react to a false assumption about theirs? no

Is there any other relevant reason why A. must be liberal? yes
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Are the neighbors in any kind of relationship with Hugh (family)?no Did she make a comment in such way that if Hugh find out about neighbors, he will think that she isn't so liberal? no Is Hugh planing to move in with neighbors like a roommate? no
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Is it relevant how someone might make a false assumption about A's race? Does she look like she might be of a different race? Or would someone make the assumption without seeing her?

Is it relevant (or even true) that gay people and racial minorities are more likely than straight white people to be liberal? more likely to be involved in anti-bigotry work?

Did A. have a relevant experience of being the only straight white person in a particular group? at a particular event? of being in the minority because of her race and/or sexual orientation, when she is usually in the majority?
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Is it relevant how someone might make a false assumption about A's race? no Does she look like she might be of a different race? irrel Or would someone make the assumption without seeing her? irrel

Is it relevant (or even true) that gay people and racial minorities are more likely than straight white people to be liberal? it's irrel. As for truth, my impression is that gays are more likely than straights to be liberal on social issues & blacks & Latinos are more likely than whites to be liberal on economic issues. Anyway, it's irrel more likely to be involved in anti-bigotry work?irrel

Did A. have a relevant experience of being the only straight white person in a particular group? irrel at a particular event? irrel of being in the minority because of her race and/or sexual orientation, when she is usually in the majority? irrel
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HINT: This is a funny story.
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Should we learn more about Annabeth? About her body? About her habits? About her past? About her beliefs? About her family? About her friends? About her job?
Is the story funny because of what Annabeth said?
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Should we learn more about Annabeth? yes About her body? no About her habits? yope About her past? yope About her beliefs? yes About her family no About her friends? no About her job? no
Is the story funny because of what Annabeth said?
yesish
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has she ever been gay? had a gay experience?

does her comment suggest that she is bigoted? even if she isn't

is some misunderstanding involved? does she use a word/phrase etc not understanding the relevance of it?
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has she ever been gay?no had a gay experience? no

does her comment suggest that she is bigoted? yope or noish even if she isn't

is some misunderstanding involved? no does she use a word/phrase etc not understanding the relevance of it? no
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HINT: Annabeth sets great store by her liberalism.
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Is she one of the type who feel they deserve a medal for not being homophobic (but probably are)?
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Is she one of the type who feel they deserve a medal for not being homophobic (but probably are)?She's definitely not prejudiced against gays but she is proud of being liberal in general
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Is Anna politically liberal? Is she, for some strange reason, proud of her beliefs? Or is she proud of what she does to support her beliefs?
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Is the political leaning of her gay neighbors relevant?
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Is Anna politically liberal? yesIs she, for some strange reason, proud of her beliefs? She's proud of her beliefs but not necessarily for a "strange" reason Or is she proud of what she does to support her beliefs? possibly
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Is the political leaning of her gay neighbors relevant? yesish
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Are they Log Cabin Republicans?
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Are they Log Cabin Republicans?no
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HINT: Previously in the conversation at issue,Hugh said something to Annabeth that offended her.
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Does this story have anything to do with farting?
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Does this story have anything to do with farting? no
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Hint: Annabeth is in away embarrassed about her attitude toward gays, but in no way is her attitude negative.
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Please excuse me if I repeat anything that's already been covered...I'd like to get this puzzle going again!
Presumable we need to discover Annabeth's precise attitude? Does she believe that gay people are totally equal to others? Does she accept them but not activel approve of them? Ia she fine with other people being gay, but wouldn't want others to think that she herself was?
Is she embarrassed because she feels her attitude should be more positive? More negative? Because her attitude is uncommon? Because she shares the attitude witha group of people with whom she would rather not be associated?
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Please excuse me if I repeat anything that's already been covered...I'd like to get this puzzle going again!
Presumable we need to discover Annabeth's precise attitude? not really--it's enough to know that she's very liberal about gays & everythingh else & proud of it Does she believe that gay people are totally equal to others? yes Does she accept them yes but not activel approve of them no--she approvers of them just fine? Ia she fine with other people being gay yes, but wouldn't want others to think that she herself was no--she wouldn't mind if other people thought she was gay?
Is she embarrassed because she feels her attitude should be more positive? no More negative? no Because her attitude is uncommon? no Because she shares the attitude witha group of people with whom she would rather not be associated? no
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Is A's, H's, or the neighbors' professions relevant?
Is AIDS, promiscuity, adoption or some other political handball involved (for example, the bigoted assumption that only gays get AIDS, or that they deserve it)?
Does the liberal-political aspect have to do with a specific law being or having been passed (like Don't Ask Don't Tell or something)
Has H met the gay couple?
Has A (in the sense that they know each other well and have not just introduced themselves and nothing else)?
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Is A's, H's, or the neighbors' professions relevant? no
Is AIDS, promiscuity, adoption or some other political handball involved (for example, the bigoted assumption that only gays get AIDS, or that they deserve it)? no
Does the liberal-political aspect have to do with a specific law being or having been passed (like Don't Ask Don't Tell or something) no
Has H met the gay couple? no
Has A (in the sense that they know each other well and have not just introduced themselves and nothing else)? yes
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I'm not quite sure how the assumption that only gays get AIDS would qualify as bigoted, so far as I can see it would just qualify as obviously incorrect... anyway

Does she have any belief whatever of the form "gay people are more likely to believe X"? Or "gay people are more likely to do X"? Where "X" is not directly related to being attracted to members of the same gender? eg, she thinks gay people are more likely to be liberal? Or more likely to like eating peanut butter?
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I'm not quite sure how the assumption that only gays get AIDS would qualify as bigoted, so far as I can see it would just qualify as obviously incorrect... anywaySome people might believe this as a result of bigotry, but others may be just misinformed

Does she have any belief whatever of the form "gay people are more likely to believe X"? no Or "gay people are more likely to do X"? no Where "X" is not directly related to being attracted to members of the same gender? no eg, she thinks gay people are more likely to be liberal? irrel Or more likely to like eating peanut butter? no
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HINT: Keep in mind that Annabeth's attitude toward gays is ENTIRELY FAVORABLE
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ANOTHER HINT: The relevant conversation went as follows:
A: Remark about the couple next door that does not mention that they're gay
H: Question
A: Why, no. Why do you ask?
H: Answer
A: That's a very insulting thing to say
H: Apology & another question
A: Larry & Steve
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Sorry, but I'm confused...is this a conversation that took place before Anna told Hugh that the neighbours were gay, or is that fact revealed during this conversation?

Is Hugh's third question "What are their names"?
Is it relevant what Annabeth's first remark is? Was it to do with the neighbours?
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Sorry, but I'm confused...is this a conversation that took place before Anna told Hugh that the neighbours were gay, or is that fact revealed during this conversation? It's revealed at the end

Is Hugh's third question "What are their names"? He asks only 2 questions, & it's the second
Is it relevant what Annabeth's first remark is? yes Was it to do with the neighbours? yes
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Is it Annabeth's response of "Larry and Steve" te thing that reveals the neighbours to be gay?
Is the "Larry and Steve" part the first time that Hugh realises that both the neighbours are men? Prior to this, had he known that the neighbours were a couple but assumed they were a man and a woman? Was Annabeth's first remark connected to the neighbours being a couple?

Could Hugh have had a perfectly innocent, non-insulting reason for asking his first question? Was Annabeth surprised at him asking him this question? If so, becuase she thought the answer should be obvious? Because the question seemed irrelevant?
Was the first question asking something about the neighbours? About Annabeth?
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Is it Annabeth's response of "Larry and Steve" te thing that reveals the neighbours to be gay yes
Is the "Larry and Steve" part the first time that Hugh realises that both the neighbours are men? yes Prior to this, had he known that the neighbours were a couple but assumed they were a man and a woman? yes Was Annabeth's first remark connected to the neighbours being a couple? yes

Could Hugh have had a perfectly innocent, non-insulting reason for asking his first question? noish Was Annabeth surprised at him asking him this question? yes If so, becuase she thought the answer should be obvious? no Because the question seemed irrelevant? yes
Was the first question asking something about the neighbours? yes About Annabeth? no
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So Annabeth was embarrassed to say "Larry and Steve"?
Was her first comment something like "My neighbours make such a great couple", "Have you met the couple next door"?

Was Hugh's insulting question insulting to the neighbours? To Annabeth? Was it mocking or challenging her liberal attitude?

A guess...did the conversation go anything like this:
Annabeth: I really like the couple next door
Hugh: Are they black? (Or other minority group)
A: Why no, why do you ask?
H: Because I know you always love the minority groups

Then Annabeth was angry that he was mocking her liberal beliefs, and embarrassed to admit they were gay because it suggested Hugh was right and she only liked them because they were a minority?
(Sorry, I haven't explained this very well)
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So Annabeth was embarrassed to say "Larry and Steve"?yes
Was her first comment something like "My neighbours make such a great couple", "Have you met the couple next door"? It was very close to the first, actually just a reference to "the lovely couple who moved in next door"

Was Hugh's insulting question insulting to the neighbours? no To Annabeth? yesWas it mocking yes or challenging no her liberal attitude?

A guess...did the conversation go anything like this:
Annabeth: I really like the couple next door see above
Hugh: Are they black? (Or other minority group) yesish
A: Why no, why do you ask? yes
H: Because I know you always love the minority groups yesish

Then Annabeth was angry that he was mocking her liberal beliefs, and embarrassed to admit they were gay because it suggested Hugh was right and she only liked them because they were a minority? yesish
(Sorry, I haven't explained this very well)
Yes, you have!!

At last, it's time for a
******SPOILER******************

Annabel: I got this recipe from the lovely couple who moved in next door.
Hugh: Is at least one of them not white?
Annabel: Why on earth are you asking? What difference would it make?
Hugh: You have your "I'm a good liberal" voice.
Annabel: That's a very insulting thing to say.
Hugh: Sorry. By the way, what are their names?
Annabel (softly) Larry & Steve.
Thanks for sticking with it, everyone & for solving it, Enjay, & please check out my new puzzle you-know-where.
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Great puzzle! It was confusing right up to the very end :-)
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Thanks!! Please solve my others!!

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