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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did a woman take a knife to bed with her?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it for protection? food related?

was the knife one used for defense? attack? kitchenware? butter knife? some sort of cleaver type?

was she expecting anyone else to be in the bed? was there anyone? any other people involved at all?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damia,

was it for protection? food related?
NO

was the knife one used for defense? attack?
NO - NOT REALLY

kitchenware? butter knife? some sort of cleaver type?
YES, NO, NO

was she expecting anyone else to be in the bed?
YES

was there anyone?
YES

any other people involved at all?
YES
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the woman plan to sleep in the bed?
Were her actions done at night?
Did she take any other relevant objects to bed with her besides the knife?
Was the woman a sleep-walker?
Did she have some dreams that led to the action of taking the knife to bed with her?
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Post Number: 443
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye,

Did the woman plan to sleep in the bed?
YES

Were her actions done at night?
YES

Did she take any other relevant objects to bed with her besides the knife?
NO

Was the woman a sleep-walker?
NO - DIFFERENT PUZZLE!

Did she have some dreams that led to the action of taking the knife to bed with her?
NO
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok - had the woman taken this same knife to bed with her on any previous occasion? another knife?
Was her intent to get into bed and go right to sleep? do something else first? something that would help her fall asleep? Or was her intent to not go to sleep? to try to stay awake?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she gaurding the knife so that sobody else could use it while she slept?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye,

Ok - had the woman taken this same knife to bed with her on any previous occasion? another knife?
NO, NO

Was her intent to get into bed and go right to sleep?
NO OR IRRELEVANT

do something else first?
PROBABLY

something that would help her fall asleep?
NO

Or was her intent to not go to sleep? to try to stay awake?
NO OR IRRELEVANT OR WRONG LINE
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LPORTER,

Was she gaurding the knife so that somebody else could use it while she slept?
NO
Lporter229 (Lporter229)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

apologies, "sobody" in previous post should be "nobody"...
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Would she have taken the knife to bed if she had been the only one using the bed?
Was she sharing the bed with her spouse?
Did she get into bed before anyone else? After another person?
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Lporter,

Was she gaurding the knife so that nobody else could use it while she slept?
NO
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iXOYE,

Would she have taken the knife to bed if she had been the only one using the bed?
NO

Was she sharing the bed with her spouse?
YES

Did she get into bed before anyone else?
YES

After another person?
NO
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she in her home? a hotel? bed and breakfast? hospital? in a tent? relevant?

Did her spouse know she had the knife?

Would she have wanted him not to know she had the knife?

Did she plan to alter the bed and/or bedding with the knife?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shades of Angelina Jolie...

Is it intended for role-playing of some kind?
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Lporter,

Was she in her home? a hotel? bed and breakfast? hospital? in a tent? relevant?
YES, NO TO THE OTHERS

Did her spouse know she had the knife?
NO

Would she have wanted him not to know she had the knife?
CORRECT

Did she plan to alter the bed and/or bedding with the knife?
NO
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BODO,

Is it intended for role-playing of some kind?
NO
Bodo (Bodo)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does her spouse snore? Talk in his sleep? Do some other relevant thing in bed?
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Bodo,

Does her spouse snore? Talk in his sleep?
NO

Do some other relevant thing in bed?
YES
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Does he wet the bed? Roll over in his sleep? Kick the covers off? Put his feet onto her, or onto her side of the bed? Crowd her? Push her off the bed?
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Ix,

Does he wet the bed? Roll over in his sleep? Kick the covers off? Put his feet onto her, or onto her side of the bed? Crowd her? Push her off the bed?
NO OR IRRELEVANT
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Does she take the knife with her in order to perform a task? Simply for her peace of mind?
Does her husband know that she has the knife in bed? Can we assume that, if he doesn't know when he gets into bed, he will find out before he gets out of bed?
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Ix,

Does she take the knife with her in order to perform a task?
YES

Simply for her peace of mind?
MORE THAN THAT

Does her husband know that she has the knife in bed?
NO

Can we assume that, if he doesn't know when he gets into bed, he will find out before he gets out of bed?
NO
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Does she want to stop him doing this relevant thing?

Is the knife connected to the relevant thing?

Are any others involved in the puzzle?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she use it as a substitute screwdriver? Loosens the screws on the legs on his side of the bed?
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Tsoram,

Does she want to stop him doing this relevant thing?
NO

Is the knife connected to the relevant thing?
YES

Are any others involved in the puzzle?
NO - OR ONLY INDIRECTLY
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LYNNE,

Does she use it as a substitute screwdriver? Loosens the screws on the legs on his side of the bed?
NO
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Is it important that her husband doesn't know about the knife?
Is he aware of what he's doing?
If he knew about the knife would he be scared? puzzled? wouldn't care? get his own knife?
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Lynne,

Is it important that her husband doesn't know about the knife?
YES

Is he aware of what he's doing?
YES

If he knew about the knife would he be scared?
NO

puzzled?
POSSIBLY

wouldn't care?
YES HE WOULD

get his own knife?
NO
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Could her intended actions get her arrested?
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If she used the knife as planned, would there be blood involved?
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Lporter,

Could her intended actions get her arrested?
VERY UNLIKELY

If she used the knife as planned, would there be blood involved?
YES
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Her blood?
Her husband's blood?
Someone else's?
Are any animals involved in the scenario?
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Ixoye,

Her blood?
YES

Her husband's blood?
Someone else's?
Are any animals involved in the scenario?
NO, NO, NO
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If she used the knife as planned, would it come into contact with her body? If so:
her head?
her torso?
her arm?
her hand?
her leg?
her foot?
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Ix,

If she used the knife as planned, would it come into contact with her body? If so:
her head?
her torso?
her arm?
her hand?
her leg?
her foot?

HER HAND
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So would a summary be something like - the woman takes a knife to bed to cut her own hand when her husband, who is unaware of her having the knife, does something in bed. She doesn't plan to scare him and it's not to stop him doing whatever he does.

?
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Would this be considered 'normal' behaviour? Or would a pyschiatrist have a field day analysing her?

Does she do this every night? Does she clean up the blood afterwards? Does it hurt her, or is the hand numb for some reason?
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Is her religion relevant?
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Lynne,

So would a summary be something like - the woman takes a knife to bed to cut her own hand when her husband, who is unaware of her having the knife, does something in bed. She doesn't plan to scare him and it's not to stop him doing whatever he does?
CORRECT

Would this be considered 'normal' behaviour?
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED RATIONAL BUT NOT NORMAL

Or would a pyschiatrist have a field day analysing her?
NO

Does she do this every night?
NO

Does she clean up the blood afterwards?
YES AND NO

Does it hurt her, or is the hand numb for some reason?
YES, NO
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ENJAY

Is her religion relevant?
YES
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Is this common throughout the followers of her religion?
Is it a mainstream religion?
Does she let the blood fall on him?
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Does she clean up the blood off her hand, but not off the bed?
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Are they newly married?
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Does she hide the cut on her hand afterwards?
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Lynne,

Is this common throughout the followers of her religion?
NO

Is it a mainstream religion?
YES

Does she let the blood fall on him?
NO

Does she hide the cut on her hand afterwards?
YES
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LSHOOTER

Does she clean up the blood off her hand, but not off the bed?
CORRECT
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SUNSHINE

Are they newly married?

YES
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Is she a virgin? Does her husband think she is a virgin? Is she trying to conceal the fact that she is not a virgin?
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Does she belong to a religion where women are expected to be virgins on marriage and is trying to hide the fact that she is not?
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Or does she want her husband to think she is "unclean" for a time, according to rules of her religion?
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* * * SPOILER * * *


Lporter and Enjay

Well done. She is a Muslim who marries. Her husband will expect that she is a virgin but she is not. After the act she secretly cuts her hand with the knife and then drips some blood on the sheet. This is a scene from the excellent book, a Thousand Splendid Suns by Kaled Hosseini.


Paul Sloane
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I think credit should also go to Sunshine, her incisive question immediately told me that she guessed at the answer! :-)
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Lynne,

I think credit should also go to Sunshine, her incisive question immediately told me that she guessed at the answer!

I agree - well done to Sunshine and to all questioners on this one.

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