| Author | Message | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2007 |
Finally, it paid off! | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 74 Registered: 6-2007 |
Is the title relevant? If so, is semla referencing the Swedish pastry? Is 'it' an action? Or an object? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the title relevant? Yes. If so, is semla referencing the Swedish pastry? Yes. Is 'it' an action? Yes. Or an object? Thus, no. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 896 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is this action something most people would do on a regular basis? location relevant? if so, Sweden? Scandinavia? era relevant? | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2007 |
how many relevant people are there? 1? 2? 3? more? Did you buy the semla? Make it? Eat it? Give it to someone? Trying to woo a lady with homemade pastries? | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2007 |
Um, ignore the 'you' in the previous post (careless pronoun use). Change that 'you' to 'someone' | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2007 |
Eli: Is this action something most people would do on a regular basis? Yes. location relevant? Not really. if so, Sweden? Scandinavia? era relevant? Yes-ish. Alanlin: how many relevant people are there? 1? This one (me). 2? 3? more? Did you buy the semla? Yes. Make it? No. Eat it? Yes. Give it to someone? No. Trying to woo a lady with homemade pastries? Not yet ;-) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1147 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did you buy it at a shop? A restaurant? A cafe? Do we need to know how the semla was made? Or who made it? Is it a normal semla, just like all the other semlas? Did you buy it on its own? Or with other semlas? Or with a meal? Was the semla a reward for something? Was the semla itself the 'payoff' described in the puzzle statement? Or did you otherwise gain something from eating the semla? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you buy it at a shop? This one. A restaurant? A cafe? Do we need to know how the semla was made? No. Or who made it? No. Is it a normal semla, just like all the other semlas? Yes. Did you buy it on its own? Yes. Or with other semlas? Or with a meal? Was the semla a reward for something? Yope. Was the semla itself the 'payoff' described in the puzzle statement? Yes. Or did you otherwise gain something from eating the semla? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 906 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did something relevant happen before you bought it? while eating it? after? Was it some kind of promotion? Did you find something inside the semla? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2007 |
You bought yourself a semla to reward yourself for some other accomplishment? Is weightloss invovled? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2007 |
Eli: Did something relevant happen before you bought it? Yes. while eating it? No. after? No. Was it some kind of promotion? No. Did you find something inside the semla? No. Lporter229: You bought yourself a semla to reward yourself for some other accomplishment? No-ish. Is weightloss invovled? No. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1148 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is gambling involved? A dare? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is gambling involved? A dare? Nope. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 909 Registered: 11-2003 |
If this relevant thing had not happened before you bought the semla, would you still have bought it? would you have bought none? more? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2007 |
If this relevant thing had not happened before you bought the semla, would you still have bought it? Well, eventually yes, because I love them, but that is outside the context of the puzzle. would you have bought none? Yes. more? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 910 Registered: 11-2003 |
The thing that happened, did it somehow trigger a reaction from you realizing you wanted a semla? was hungry? (similar to wanting chocolate when seeing an ad for chocolates, for instance) | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2007 |
The thing that happened, did it somehow trigger a reaction from you realizing you wanted a semla? was hungry? (similar to wanting chocolate when seeing an ad for chocolates, for instance) No. I am addicted anyway... who needs ads!? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2007 |
Did you happen upon some spare change/money and used it to purchase the semla? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you happen upon some spare change/money and used it to purchase the semla? No-ish. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 911 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did the thing that happened before save you money? so you have money to spare for a semla? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the thing that happened before save you money? Yope. so you have money to spare for a semla? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 912 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did you make money from the thing that happened? Do we have to find out exactly what it was? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you make money from the thing that happened? Yes. Do we have to find out exactly what it was? And yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 913 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did you earn money by working? selling something? Did you find the money? Did you win it? if so, in a bet? raffle? lottoticket? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you earn money by working? No. selling something? Yope. Did you find the money? No. Did you win it? No. if so, in a bet? raffle? lottoticket? N/A. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 914 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did you sell an item that used to belong to you? someone else? did you sell something you had made? did you sell an idea? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you sell an item that used to belong to you? Yes, for svv of "sell". someone else? No. did you sell something you had made? No. did you sell an idea? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 915 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was it an tangible object? did it change hands permanently? did you rent it out to someone? is it relevant who that other person (or persons) is? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 74 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was it an tangible object? Yes. did it change hands permanently? Yes. did you rent it out to someone? No. is it relevant who that other person (or persons) is? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 916 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did you know that other person before the object changed hands? or was it a complete stranger? one person? more than one person? did you yourself buy this object prior to selling it? inherit it? if so, is it relevant how long before? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you know that other person before the object changed hands? No. or was it a complete stranger? Yes. one person? more than one person? This one. did you yourself buy this object prior to selling it? Yes. inherit it? No. if so, is it relevant how long before? No-ish. There is a slight FA about what has been "sold" (possibly induced by a sloppy reply). | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2007 |
Did you "sell" the object for the sole purpose of getting the money to buy the semla? Is the amount of money you acquired just enough to purchase this one semla? or is it enough to purchase several semla? hundreds of semla? Did you actually sell the object for money or did you trade the object for the semla? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did you "sell" the object for the sole purpose of getting the money to buy the semla? Yes, but beware of the FA. Is the amount of money you acquired just enough to purchase this one semla? or is it enough to purchase several semla? hundreds of semla? It was enough to pay for about three semlas. Did you actually sell the object for money Yes-ish or did you trade the object for the semla? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 917 Registered: 11-2003 |
Would it help to find out what the object was? Is it at all relevant for the story? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2007 |
Would it help to find out what the object was? Yes. Is it at all relevant for the story? Definitely. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 918 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is the object small enough to hold in your hand? bigger than a chair? bigger than a car? big enough for an adult to walk in to it? Is it relevant who you bought the item from? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 80 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the object small enough to hold in your hand? bigger than a chair? bigger than a car? big enough for an adult to walk in to it? FA to all. Is it relevant who you bought the item from? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 919 Registered: 11-2003 |
A bit confused to that FA. It is an tangible object, right? Is the FA related to the size? Does it have anything to do with conputers? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 81 Registered: 12-2007 |
A bit confused to that FA. It is an tangible object, right? What was sold was definitely tangible, but... Is the FA related to the size? Yope. Does it have anything to do with conputers? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 920 Registered: 11-2003 |
Well, tangible is touchable, I believe.So was it so small you can't hold it? see it? too big to move? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 82 Registered: 12-2007 |
Well, tangible is touchable, I believe. I totally agree. So was it so small you can't hold it? see it? too big to move? FA... sorry. What was sold (mark my wording) is tangible. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 922 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hmm, still totally confused. Did you have an object, then someone gave you some money for it and then you no longer had it in your possession? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 93 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hmm, still totally confused. I hope the answers below help clearing up a bit the nature of the FA. Did you have an object I had something, then someone gave you some money Yes for it FA and then you no longer had Yes it FA in your possession? Hope that helps. It's probably much simpler than you think. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 924 Registered: 11-2003 |
But is it still relevant what that 'it' was?? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2007 |
But is it still relevant what that 'it' was?? 'fraid so. I wouldn't use the pronoun "it", though. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 926 Registered: 11-2003 |
not it? because it's more than one? or for other reasons? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2007 |
not it? because it's more than one? Exactly. or for other reasons? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 927 Registered: 11-2003 |
Relevant how many there were? Did you sell them one by one? or all in one go? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2007 |
Relevant how many there were? Only as an order of magnitude. Did you sell them one by one? No. or all in one go? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 929 Registered: 11-2003 |
could you have sold them one by one? or is that impossible? Are all identical to each other? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 113 Registered: 12-2007 |
could you have sold them one by one? Yes. or is that impossible? No. Are all identical to each other? No two things are really identical. Just kidding... for the purpose of this puzzle, yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 933 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is it relevant that they were sold together? Are they edible objects? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 117 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is it relevant that they were sold together? No-ish. Are they edible objects? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 938 Registered: 11-2003 |
So let's try to find out more about these things then. Are they (each one) small enough to hold in the palm of your hand? up to the size of a chair? a car? a house? bigger than a house? Are they natural? manmade? would most people use them on a daily basis? are they found in homes? shops? offices? outdoors? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 122 Registered: 12-2007 |
So let's try to find out more about these things then. Sounds like a good plan to me. Are they (each one) small enough to hold in the palm of your hand? Yes. up to the size of a chair? a car? a house? bigger than a house? Are they natural? No. manmade? Yes. would most people use them on a daily basis? Yes. are they found in homes? Yes. shops? Yes. offices? Yes. outdoors? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 946 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are they technological gadgets of some sort? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are they technological gadgets of some sort? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2007 |
Are they coins? I'm not sure if this practice exists everywhere, but here in the US, people will save their coins and "wrap" them in rolls of a predetermined value or put them into a machine in exchange for the more convenient form of paper money. Anything like this relevant? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2007 |
Or anything to do with the exchange of foreign currency? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are they coins? No. I'm not sure if this practice exists everywhere, but here in the US, people will save their coins and "wrap" them in rolls of a predetermined value or put them into a machine in exchange for the more convenient form of paper money. Anything like this relevant? Coins and paper money are not really relevant, but some other elements of your story might be worth exploring. Or anything to do with the exchange of foreign currency? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 264 Registered: 11-2007 |
The things that you "sold", were you saving them for the purpose of "selling" them? Did they have any value to you otherwise? Did you acquire them all at once or over a period of time? Were they tickets? tokens? stamps? chips (like in a casino)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2007 |
The things that you "sold", were you saving them for the purpose of "selling" them? Yes. Did they have any value to you otherwise? No. Did you acquire them all at once or over a period of time? I acquired them over one or two years, I think. Were they tickets? tokens? stamps? chips (like in a casino)? No to all. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2007 |
Did they have any value to the person/persons to whom you sold them? Or did they purchase them from you due to an unwritten agreement (for example, the way a casino would be obligated to cash in someone's chips)? Is it likely that this person would sell them to somebody else? use them for entertainment? use them to make a profit? keep them for a collection? You said the purchaser was a stranger. Did you find this person in the want ads? on-line? at an auction? by visiting their place of business? through random conversation? Are these items consumable (not in the edible sense, but in the sense that they can be "used up")? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 133 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did they have any value to the person/persons to whom you sold them? Yes. Or did they purchase them from you due to an unwritten agreement (for example, the way a casino would be obligated to cash in someone's chips)? Yeah, well, kind of. I'm sure it's written down somewhere, actually. Is it likely that this person would sell them to somebody else? Hm, good question. The most honest answer I can give is "probably", but I am not sure. Quite irrelevant, anyway. use them for entertainment? No. use them to make a profit? Yes. keep them for a collection? No. You said the purchaser was a stranger. Did you find this person in the want ads? on-line? at an auction? by visiting their place of business? through random conversation? FA to all. Are these items consumable (not in the edible sense, but in the sense that they can be "used up")? Yes, one might say so in a sufficiently broad sense. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2007 |
About how you came to acquire these things in the first place, did you purchase them? make them? inherit them? receive them as gifts? earn them by doing something of relevance? About the purchaser: is it a person? group of people? company or corporation? organization? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2007 |
About how you came to acquire these things in the first place, did you purchase them? Yes. make them? inherit them? receive them as gifts? earn them by doing something of relevance? No to rest. About the purchaser: is it a person? group of people? company or corporation? organization? I think this is the one that fits best. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 949 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are they bus tickets? or other form of public transport tickets? do you have to have exact fare when travelling and if you do not, you are given a receipt for the amount you have paid extra and have to collect the money later? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are they bus tickets? No. or other form of public transport tickets? No. do you have to have exact fare when travelling and if you do not, you are given a receipt for the amount you have paid extra and have to collect the money later? No, but on the right track. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 955 Registered: 11-2003 |
Vouchers relevant? or tokens? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 147 Registered: 12-2007 |
Vouchers relevant? or tokens? Nope. HINT: it shouldn't be very difficult to guess what these objects are. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 268 Registered: 11-2007 |
Are they receipts? Are they made of paper? plastic? metal? glass? rubber? some other synthetic material? some other natural material? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 956 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was thinking coins, but that has been asked already. Just to verify, could you have gone in to the semla shop and bought the semla with the objects? or did you have to sell them first? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 151 Registered: 12-2007 |
Lporter229: Are they receipts? No. Are they made of paper? plastic? metal? This one. glass? rubber? some other synthetic material? some other natural material? Eli: Was thinking coins, but that has been asked already. Just to verify, could you have gone in to the semla shop and bought the semla with the objects? No. or did you have to sell them first? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 960 Registered: 11-2003 |
Would you find these metal things in; a grocery shop? an electrical shop? DIY shop? garden centre/nursery? furniture shop? clothes shop? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 270 Registered: 11-2007 |
Do these metal objects have any value other than trade value? Did you sell the objects for more than you bought them? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2007 |
Eli: Would you find these metal things in; a grocery shop? Yes. an electrical shop? No. DIY shop? No. garden centre/nursery? No. furniture shop? No. clothes shop? No. Lporter229: Do these metal objects have any value other than trade value? Could you be more specific? Did you sell the objects for more than you bought them? No, I "sold" them for much less. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 272 Registered: 11-2007 |
In reference to my questions regarding the value of the objects-is their only value in what you are able to trade for them? For example, a casino chip-it has no real inherent value other than its cash value at the casino which issued it. Sorry for not being very clear on this. My brain is a bit muddy today! When you purchased the objects, was there something else with them? Are they aluminum soda cans? or some other recyclable object? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 157 Registered: 12-2007 |
In reference to my questions regarding the value of the objects-is their only value in what you are able to trade for them? For example, a casino chip-it has no real inherent value other than its cash value at the casino which issued it. Aha, I see what you mean now. If you don't mind, I would avoid answering this difficult question... a casino chip has some value even outside of a casino, after all, at the very least because of the materials it is made of. Your questions below make this answer unncecessary, anyway. Sorry for not being very clear on this. My brain is a bit muddy today! Believe me, I know what you mean... When you purchased the objects, was there something else with them? Yes. Are they aluminum soda cans? Bingo. or some other recyclable object? Do you mind putting the pieces together? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2007 |
Ok, I think. So you saved all of your old soda cans and traded them in at a scrapyard (or maybe you live somewhere with a bottle bill and you collected your deposit money? Splitting hairs, I know, but I just wanted to cover my bases). At any rate, you used the money to buy the semlas, which were your reward for all of your hard work of stockpiling soda cans? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2007 |
I would say this fits the bill. I will just fill in some unimportant but entertaining details below... When you're pressed for time and you need to take a quick lunch, nothing beats the good ol' sandwich. The shop my colleagues and I usually buy sandwiches from offers a can of soda for very little extra money: an offer you can't refuse. Thus, day after day, empty soda cans piled up in my office room. After a year or two, my roommate and I reckoned that two huge paper bags were probably enough. We brought the 109 cans to the closest supermarket (that's how it works in Sweden), gave them away for recycling and ended up with about 6 € worth of coupons, which were readily re-invested in our favourite winter pastime: semla. Thank you all for playing, especially Eli and Lori for figuring out most of the puzzle! Oh, and by the way: ********* SPOILER ********* | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 961 Registered: 11-2003 |
And I woke up this morning thinking - A-HA must be drink cans! I was sure Sweden has he same system as back home in Norway where you bring your bottles and cans back to the shop to get money back for them. And then the puzzle had been solved overnight, sigh.. But still a good one, so thanks. |
