| Author | Message | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2007 |
It was held together by tape, which is why it went a bit faster. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 972 Registered: 11-2003 |
Went, as in moving from point A to B? or went, as in some device (like clock, computer,)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2007 |
Went, as in moving from point A to B? No. or went, as in some device (like clock, computer,)? This one is a bit closer, but it is not the way I would put it. | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2008 |
Went as in functioned? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2007 |
Went as in functioned? Not really. | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2008 |
first it = the second it? it = something with wheels? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 173 Registered: 12-2007 |
first it = the second it? No, good question. it = something with wheels? No-ish for the first one, no for the second. | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 85 Registered: 1-2008 |
So something was held together by tape, which made something else go a bit faster. Is the first it a component of the second it? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 175 Registered: 12-2007 |
So something was held together by tape, which made something else go a bit faster. Correct. Is the first it a component of the second it? No. | ||
| Greenbunny45 (Greenbunny45)
New member Username: Greenbunny45 Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2008 |
First post :-) Does "It went a bit faster" mean time went by more quickly? Does the first it directly control the second it? (Like a remote control), or is the second it going faster a side effect of the first it being held together by tape? Is the first it held together by tape in order for the second it to go faster? (like, on purpose) Does "a bit faster" mean "a little faster" (just in case the bit doesn't mean 1's and 0's or something else) Could the first it be held together by other ways? If so: by glue? magnets? velcro? other? Is the first it usually held together by tape, or is this unusual? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 182 Registered: 12-2007 |
First post :-) Welcome! Does "It went a bit faster" mean time went by more quickly? Not sure what you mean by that, could you rephrase please? Does the first it directly control the second it? (Like a remote control), No or is the second it going faster a side effect of the first it being held together by tape? Yes. Is the first it held together by tape in order for the second it to go faster? (like, on purpose) Yes. Does "a bit faster" mean "a little faster" Correct (just in case the bit doesn't mean 1's and 0's or something else Negative) Could the first it be held together by other ways? I can't exclude it. If so: by glue? No. magnets? No. velcro? No. other? Could be. Can't think of anything, though. Is the first it usually held together by tape No, or is this unusual? Yes. | ||
| Greenbunny45 (Greenbunny45)
New member Username: Greenbunny45 Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2008 |
I'm not going to bother rephrasing the first question, because it was a bad question anyway. Is the tape the adhesive kind? If so, Is it a commonly available kind? Like duct tape? Is the first it mechanical? electrical? organic? a commonly used object? Is the second it mechanical? electrical? organic? a commonly used object? Are the two its two totally different objects that are not physically connected in any way? I'm confused at the fact that it is "held together", but it can't be held together any other ways. Does this mean it holds itself together? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 184 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the tape the adhesive kind? Yes. If so, Is it a commonly available kind? Yes. Like duct tape? No, I think it was wide and transparent. Is the first it mechanical? Yes. electrical? No-ish. organic? No. a commonly used object? Yes-ish. Is the second it mechanical? No. electrical? No. organic? No. a commonly used object? No. Are the two its two totally different objects that are not physically connected in any way? FA. I'm confused at the fact that it is "held together", but it can't be held together any other ways. I did not say that. I said I couldn't think of any other ways. Does this mean it holds itself together? Yes-ish... | ||
| Greenbunny45 (Greenbunny45)
New member Username: Greenbunny45 Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2008 |
my bad Does the first it use electricity in any way? Is the second it concrete or abstract? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 186 Registered: 12-2007 |
my bad Does the first it use electricity in any way? Indirectly, yes. Is the second it concrete or abstract? Abstract. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1943 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the first one have gears? Any wheel-like devices? Would you find it in the 19th century? 20th? 21st? Was the tape used to stop something? Would a paper strip with glue work? Is it important it is transparant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 190 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the first one have gears? I think so. Any wheel-like devices? No-ish, explore. Would you find it in the 19th century? Yope. 20th? Yes. 21st? Yes. Was the tape used to stop something? No. Would a paper strip with glue work? Yes. Is it important it is transparant? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was "it" held together with tape because it had been broken? Can the second it be characterized as an event/occurence? involving the first it? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was "it" held together with tape because it had been broken? No. Can the second it be characterized as an event/occurence? Yes. involving the first it? Yes. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2007 |
Does "it" weigh less than 1 lb? >1 lb? >10lbs? 50 lbs? 100lbs.? (BTW,1 lb~=0.5 kg, since the majority of the people on this forum are outside of the US :-)) If the tape was removed, would "it" fall into 2 or more distinct pieces? if yes, 2? 3? 4? 5? more than 5? more than 20? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does "it" weigh less than 1 lb? >1 lb? >10lbs? 50 lbs? 100lbs.? (BTW,1 lb~=0.5 kg, since the majority of the people on this forum are outside of the US :-)) I would say it is in the interval 5-15 kg (10-30 lb), but it is a bit difficult to judge. If the tape was removed, would "it" fall into 2 or more distinct pieces? No. if yes, 2? 3? 4? 5? more than 5? more than 20? N/A | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 988 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did the tape cover somthing? Squeeze something closer together? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1949 Registered: 8-2006 |
For your information, kg does NOT measure weight, it measures mass! I have no idea how the metric units are used for weight For faster: Would the change of time without tape and with be measured in seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Millenia? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 998 Registered: 11-2003 |
What do you mean, Paul? Kg is kilogram, which is weight. One pound is 0.454kg. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2007 |
Eli: Did the tape cover somthing? No. Squeeze something closer together? No-ish. Crazypalpig: For faster: Would the change of time without tape and with be measured in seconds? Minutes? Between this one... Hours? ...and this one. Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Millenia? So pounds measure weight? In the SI, weight is measured in newton (since it is a force), but until a while ago it was not uncommon to talk about kilograms-force (1 kgf = 1 kg * 9.8 m/s2). | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1001 Registered: 11-2003 |
Totally confused. So you're saying that when we buy meats or vegetables, we're not weighing it?? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2004 |
Actually, weight in Imperial engineering units is measured using pound-force which is different to a pound-mass. According to Fundumentals of Thermodynamics, Sontag et al the pound-force is "defined as the force at which the standard pound-mass is attracted to the Earth under conditions of standard acceleration of gravity, which is that at 45° lattitude and sea level elevation, 9.806 65 m/s2 or 32.1740ft/22." Strictly speaking a pound is simply a measure of currency. If you measure the weight of something in the English Engineering System of Units, you measure in pound-force; mass in pound-mass. That said, I'm much more at home with SI units, 1 Newton is the measure of force. 1N = 1kg * 1m/s2 compared to 1 lbf = 32.174 lbm ft/s2. Is the Tape holding something in such a way as to prevent potential energy from being released: such as holding up a door/mass against gravity, holding a spring open/closed/up/down, switches, etc? Were is the second "it" a singular object, or a collection of objects? - Does 'go a bit faster' relate to flow rate? Were the two objects ever in contact at any stage? Are either "it"s stationary? (being pedantic: if we assume the earth as a stationary frame of reference) When no-ish to electrical, is there any conducting or semi-conducting materials involved in "it 1"s construction with the sole purpose of conducting electricity? Is either of the "it"s in a state other than solid? if so, liquid (Newtonian? Thixotropic? Rheopectic? Dilatant? Pseudoplastic?) ? Gas? Sand-Like? Plasma? Bose-Einstien Condensate? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 199 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the Tape holding something in such a way as to prevent potential energy from being released: such as holding up a door/mass against gravity, holding a spring open/closed/up/down, switches, etc? No, but explore. Were is the second "it" a singular object, or a collection of objects? None of these. The second "it" is an event (see answers above). - Does 'go a bit faster' relate to flow rate? No. Were the two objects ever in contact at any stage? You mean the two "it"'s? FA, see above. Are either "it"s stationary? (being pedantic: if we assume the earth as a stationary frame of reference) The first "it" was not stationary for most of the duration of the puzzle. When no-ish to electrical, is there any conducting or semi-conducting materials involved in "it 1"s construction with the sole purpose of conducting electricity? I don't think so. Is either of the "it"s in a state other than solid? No. if so, liquid (Newtonian? Thixotropic? Rheopectic? Dilatant? Pseudoplastic?) ? Gas? Sand-Like? Plasma? Bose-Einstien Condensate? Quark-gluon plasma, actually. | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 103 Registered: 1-2008 |
I was about to ask Is the second it "time" (like in "time went a bit faster")? but it seems a little too simple, since we're talking quantum physics now.. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 202 Registered: 12-2007 |
I was about to ask Is the second it "time" (like in "time went a bit faster")? You mean: "it felt as if time went a bit faster"? No. It means that an event ("it") lasted a shorter time. but it seems a little too simple, since we're talking quantum physics now.. Easy. I was just kidding :-D | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 283 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hmm. I am intrigued by your reply: The first "it" was not stationary for most of the duration of the puzzle.... ...was "it"#1 moving while "it" #2 was occurring? was "it"#1 stationary while "it" #2 was occurring? relevant? Was the tape in place to keep "it"#1 from moving? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 203 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hmm. I am intrigued by your reply: The first "it" was not stationary for most of the duration of the puzzle.... ...was "it"#1 moving while "it" #2 was occurring? was "it"#1 stationary while "it" #2 was occurring? relevant? Let's say that "it" #1 was stationary for some time, then it moved and then "it" #2 occurred. Was the tape in place to keep "it"#1 from moving? No. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 207 Registered: 12-2007 |
RECAP: a strip of tape was attached to an object that weighs about 5-15 kg. The purpose of the tape was not to prevent the object to fall apart, nor to cover something. Thanks to the tape, a certain event took about thirty minutes less to complete. HINTS: A paper strip with glue would have made much more sense. There is also another relevant object. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was all of the adhesive strip of the tape in contact with the object? Was the tape intended to shorten the event? does aerodynamics play a factor? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 210 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was all of the adhesive strip of the tape in contact with the object? Yes. Was the tape intended to shorten the event? Yes. does aerodynamics play a factor? No. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1976 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the last object animate? Alive? Plastic? Metal? Rubber? Stone? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 211 Registered: 12-2007 |
I will answer these questions as if they referred to the other relevant object I mentioned in the hint. Is the last object animate? No. Alive? No. Plastic? Partly. Metal? Partly. Rubber? Partly. Stone? No. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1977 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was it part of the machine? How close was it to the first "it"? Was the first "it" a machine? Was it invented 21th century? 20th? 19th? 18? 17? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 213 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was it part of the machine? The machine being the first "it"? No. How close was it to the first "it"? Very. Was the first "it" a machine? Yes. Was it invented 21th century? 20th? 19th? 18? 17? The concept dates back to the 19th century, but the object took its current form in the 20th. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 216 Registered: 12-2007 |
HINT: The first "it" (let us call it object A) is part of a larger object (let us call it object B). Some people are also involved. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 308 Registered: 11-2007 |
Does object B have wheels? (Just to re-cap, object A is a machine which is part of object B?) Is object A an engine? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 234 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does object B have wheels? Yes. (Just to re-cap, object A is a machine which is part of object B? I'd rather say that object B is a machine, and object A is one of its parts.) Is object A an engine? No. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 324 Registered: 12-2007 |
RECAP: An object (A) is part of a machine with wheels (B). A is not an engine. Someone attached a strip of tape on A and B with the goal of speeding up a certain activity. What is the activity? This is a somewhat funny story. HINT: There are a few basic questions that have not been asked and that might actually help quite a bit. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 120 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is B a motor-vehicle? If so is it manned, remote-controlled, or uncontrolled? Is the tape an ingenious solution to the problem of getting it to go faster? Is the location or time period relevant? You mention that glue and paper might have worked better. Were they available? If so, were the "engineers" aware of this? Was the tape more cost-effective? Is the tape attached so as to repair item A? To make it more secure? Is it to connect two otherwise unconnected parts of item A? Is it to cover something on Item A? Does the tape simply make B more efficient (improving its gas mileage, for example)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 121 Registered: 5-2003 |
You mentioned Device B was not going from Point A to Point B, actually. Was Device B destroyed? Did it disappear? For example, was it a fuse? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 331 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is B a motor-vehicle? Yes. If so is it manned, This one. remote-controlled, or uncontrolled? Is the tape an ingenious solution to the problem of getting it to go faster? No. Is the location or time period relevant? YES. You mention that glue and paper might have worked better. Were they available? Probably not. If so, were the "engineers" aware of this? Maybe, but I wouldn't vouch for them. Was the tape more cost-effective? No, that's not it. Is the tape attached so as to repair item A? No. To make it more secure? No, but explore. Is it to connect two otherwise unconnected parts of item A? No. Is it to cover something on Item A? No. Does the tape simply make B more efficient (improving its gas mileage, for example)? No, nothing of the sort. You mentioned Device B was not going from Point A to Point B, actually. That's not correct. This refers only to the use of "went" in the puzzle text. Was Device B destroyed? Did it disappear? For example, was it a fuse? So no to rest. It did go from a certain point A to a certain point B. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 125 Registered: 5-2003 |
Location relevant? If so -- On Earth? If so, North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica? Time period relevant? If so, 19th, 20th or 21st centuries? Earlier? Later? Is this a true story? How far did the vehicle travel? Less than 1 mile? More? 10 miles? 100? 1,000? 10,000? More? Was more of this travel carried out before or after it was repaired, and is any of this relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 333 Registered: 12-2007 |
Location relevant? Yes, but not in the sense of geographical location. If so -- On Earth? Yes. If so, North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica? Not in this sense. Time period relevant? Yes. If so, 19th, 20th or 21st centuries? Earlier? Later? 20th century or later. Is this a true story? Yes. How far did the vehicle travel? Less than 1 mile? More? 10 miles? Let's see... about 27 miles. The exact figure is irrelevant. 100? 1,000? 10,000? More? Was more of this travel carried out before or after it was repaired, and is any of this relevant? After, relevant, with a FA. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 126 Registered: 5-2003 |
So it could've happened anywhere, and many places meet the specific criteria? In that case, inside or out? If outside, is this on a hill, in a valley, neither, level ground or sloped? Are these relevant, or am I making an FA? If inside, is the size of the room or height above or below the ground relevant? Is the specific type of vehicle relevant? If so is it wheeled or tracked? Does it fly? Or float? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 334 Registered: 12-2007 |
So it could've happened anywhere, and many places meet the specific criteria? It could have happened in any country but not anywhere. It is a specific type of place. In that case, inside or out? Outside. If outside, is this on a hill, in a valley, neither, level ground or sloped? Probably on level ground. Are these relevant, or am I making an FA? A bit. If inside, is the size of the room or height above or below the ground relevant? Is the specific type of vehicle relevant? Yes. If so is it wheeled or tracked? Wheeled. Does it fly? No. Or float? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1185 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does the vehicle have 2 wheels? 3? 4? more than 4 wheels? | ||
| D3sisted (D3sisted)
New member Username: D3sisted Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2008 |
Did it involve heat? Cold? The tape somehow kept something cool? dry? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 336 Registered: 12-2007 |
Eli: Does the vehicle have 2 wheels? 3? 4? This one. more than 4 wheels? D3sisted: Did it involve heat? Cold? The tape somehow kept something cool? dry? None of these. | ||
| Fantasmagoria (Fantasmagoria)
New member Username: Fantasmagoria Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2008 |
did the tape come off when the second event happened? did adding the tape make something spin faster? reduce friction? did the tape make it easier for the person operating the machine to work? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 337 Registered: 12-2007 |
did the tape come off when the second event happened? What second event? did adding the tape make something spin faster? reduce friction? did the tape make it easier for the person operating the machine to work? No to rest. | ||
| Puzzleguy (Puzzleguy)
New member Username: Puzzleguy Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2008 |
was B an automobile? if so, was A a lever? a spoke? axle? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 339 Registered: 12-2007 |
was B an automobile? No. if so, was A a lever? a spoke? axle? None of these. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 379 Registered: 12-2007 |
******* RECAP ******* Someone attaches a strip of tape on a four-wheeled motor vehicle (and, more specifically, on a part of it yet to be defined). The vehicle is then driven from point X to point Y. Upon reaching Y, a certain task can be completed in a shorter time thanks to the tape. The nature of the places (X and Y) is very relevant to the puzzle. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 493 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is the place x on earth? y? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 388 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the place x on earth? y? Yes to both. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 494 Registered: 8-2005 |
Was B a train? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 389 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was B a train? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 314 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was B a bus? Are passengers involved? Does the second "it" in the puzzle statement relate to the loading or unloading of the vehicle? Is the first "it" made of glass? A funny scenerio just crossed my mind...probably not it, but I'll give it a shot... Did somebody attach tape to a bus window or a mirror of some sort to keep people from stopping to check themselves, thus expediting the unloading of passengers? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 390 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was B a bus? YES! Finally... Are passengers involved? Yes! Does the second "it" in the puzzle statement relate to the loading or unloading of the vehicle? Let's say alighting from the bus is part of the second "it", but there is more. It would help if you first found out what kind of places X and Y are. Is the first "it" made of glass? Part of it is. A funny scenerio just crossed my mind...probably not it, but I'll give it a shot... Did somebody attach tape to a bus window or a mirror of some sort to keep people from stopping to check themselves, thus expediting the unloading of passengers? Hehe! Funny, but no. However, something you said is laterally relevant... | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 317 Registered: 11-2007 |
Is the first "it" a headlight? taillight? mirror? window? Is the transport of the passengers legal? Is either X or Y a bus depot? tourist attraction? Is the bus a charter bus? school bus? city bus (public transport)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 393 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the first "it" a headlight? taillight? mirror? window? No to all, but window is closest. Is the transport of the passengers legal? Yes. Is either X or Y a bus depot? Yope. tourist attraction? No. Is the bus a charter bus? No-ish. school bus? No. city bus (public transport)? No-ish. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2007 |
a sunroof? safety enclosure for driver? Are the passengers prisoners? Did the passengers pay to ride this bus? Previously you said that something I had said was laterally relevant...does that have to do with the unloading of passengers? Is that the event which went faster as a result of the tape? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 395 Registered: 12-2007 |
a sunroof? No. safety enclosure for driver? No. It's much simpler than that. Are the passengers prisoners? No. Did the passengers pay to ride this bus? No, good question. Previously you said that something I had said was laterally relevant...does that have to do with the unloading of passengers? No, it was more a kind of verbal connection... Is that the event which went faster as a result of the tape? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 320 Registered: 11-2007 |
windshield? dashboard? video screen? advertisement(like the light-up kind on old buses)? interior light? light-bulb in general...what else is there on a bus that is made of glass???? : ) Are the passengers human? children? adults? Is this an airport transport? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 396 Registered: 12-2007 |
windshield? dashboard? video screen? advertisement(like the light-up kind on old buses)? interior light? light-bulb in general...what else is there on a bus that is made of glass???? : ) Er, seriously... It's easy. I swear. And it's not made completely of glass, in some older post it has been determined that it contains parts of plastic, metal and rubber as well... Are the passengers human? Yes. children? adults? Both. Is this an airport transport? YES! | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 322 Registered: 11-2007 |
Ohhh, I was thinking that the BUS was what contained metal, plastic, rubber, etc...now this should be easy....um, no, I'm still drawing a blank... Would this object be found on any bus, or is it specific to airport tranport? Does it have to do with cargo? Anyway, the bus...does it run between airport and hotel? airport and city center? Airport and seaport? The terminal and baggage claim? relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 397 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ohhh, I was thinking that the BUS was what contained metal, plastic, rubber, etc...now this should be easy....um, no, I'm still drawing a blank... I'd tell you, but I'm sure you'd hate me if I did. It's not a window, but it's very close... Would this object be found on any bus, Yes. or is it specific to airport tranport? No. Does it have to do with cargo? No. Anyway, the bus...does it run between airport and hotel? airport and city center? Airport and seaport? The terminal and baggage claim? None of these! relevant? Very. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2007 |
A DOOR? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 398 Registered: 12-2007 |
A DOOR? What else! | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 645 Registered: 10-2004 |
Terminal and airplane? Terminal and carpark? Were there other busses present, also with tape on the doors? Did the tape spell something out on the door? i.e at a large multi-terminal airport, identifying which terminal or carpark block the bus was to return to, thus the correct passengers can identify which bus they need to take? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2007 |
Terminal and airplane? Yes, but I sense a FA. Terminal and carpark? No. Were there other busses present, also with tape on the doors? Yes, there were two, but it doesn't really matter for the puzzle. Did the tape spell something out on the door? No, but nice idea. i.e at a large multi-terminal airport, identifying which terminal or carpark block the bus was to return to, thus the correct passengers can identify which bus they need to take? No, nothing like this. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was there something written on the tape? Was the tape intended to assist the passengers? Did the passengers know why there was tape on the door? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 408 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was there something written on the tape? No! Explore... Was the tape intended to assist the passengers? No. Did the passengers know why there was tape on the door? I was one of the passengers and I know, but maybe not everyone noticed and not everyone cared to ponder about the reason... | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was it a single piece of tape, or more than one? If one, was it situated in a straight line? or twisted about? If more than one, were they situated parallel to one another? perpendicular? forming a symbol or letter? random? Was the tape intended to signal somebody of something? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 409 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was it a single piece of tape, or more than one? Just one. If one, was it situated in a straight line? or twisted about? In a straight line, but irrelevant. If more than one, were they situated parallel to one another? perpendicular? forming a symbol or letter? random? Was the tape intended to signal somebody of something? Yes. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 328 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was the tape intended to signal an airplane piolet? bus driver? passenger? airport employee? police officer? other? Was the tape intended to distinguish that bus from others? was it intended to signal which direction the bus was headed (eg.inbound or outbound)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 410 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was the tape intended to signal an airplane piolet? bus driver? passenger? airport employee? This. police officer? other? Was the tape intended to distinguish that bus from others? was it intended to signal which direction the bus was headed (eg.inbound or outbound)? No to both. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were there multiple doors on this bus? If so, is which of the doors the tape was on relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 411 Registered: 12-2007 |
Were there multiple doors on this bus? Yes, two. If so, is which of the doors the tape was on relevant? There was a strip of tape on each door, and this is relevant. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the location of the tape on the door relevant, i.e if the strip was placed high or low, vertically or horizontally? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 412 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was the location of the tape on the door relevant, YES i.e if the strip was placed high or low, vertically or horizontally? More or less central and horizontal, but there is another aspect which is relevant and which has already been established at the beginning of the puzzle. Have a look at the first recap. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 329 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was the tape always on the door? Was it intended to signal a certain situation? The airport employee who was the intended recipient of the signal...was his job to help unload the bus? assist with luggage? would his job be considered laborer? or customer relations? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2008 |
"More or less central and horizontal, but there is another aspect which is relevant and which has already been established at the beginning of the puzzle. Have a look at the first recap." So was the tape holding a sign of some type to the door? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 413 Registered: 12-2007 |
Lporter229: Was the tape always on the door? No. Was it intended to signal a certain situation? Yesish. The airport employee who was the intended recipient of the signal...was his job to help unload the bus? No. assist with luggage? No. would his job be considered laborer? No. or customer relations? Yope. Biograd: "More or less central and horizontal, but there is another aspect which is relevant and which has already been established at the beginning of the puzzle. Have a look at the first recap." So was the tape holding a sign of some type to the door? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 332 Registered: 11-2007 |
Did the bus driver put the tape on the door? When the tape was on the door, was it always in the same place? Assuming the first door was near the front of the bus, was the second door on the same side of the bus as the first, the opposite side from the first or on the rear of the bus? Was the tape on the first door or the second door or did it alternate? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 414 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the bus driver put the tape on the door? No. When the tape was on the door, was it always in the same place? You mean during the duration of the puzzle? Yes. Assuming the first door was near the front of the bus, was the second door on the same side of the bus as the first, the opposite side from the first or on the rear of the bus? Irrelevant. Was the tape on the first door or the second door or did it alternate? There was a strip on each door. | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 648 Registered: 10-2004 |
Was the tape used to line something up? a door to an airlock or something? Was there tape somewhere else also? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 333 Registered: 11-2007 |
Aside from the duration of the puzzle, would the tape ever be put in a different place on the door? Was the tape indicating the height of something? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 416 Registered: 12-2007 |
Zenith: Was the tape used to line something up? a door to an airlock or something? No, but it is on the right line of thought... it's simpler than that, really. Was there tape somewhere else also? b{No.} Lporter229: Aside from the duration of the puzzle, would the tape ever be put in a different place on the door? No. Was the tape indicating the height of something? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2008 |
I actually don't think this has been asked, which is surprising because it could be critical: Did the event that was quickened by the presence of the tape happen before the passengers got on the bus? While the passengers were on the bus? After they got off the bus? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 422 Registered: 12-2007 |
I actually don't think this has been asked, which is surprising because it could be critical: Did the event that was quickened by the presence of the tape happen before the passengers got on the bus? While the passengers were on the bus? After they got off the bus? After. Good question. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2008 |
In that case, were any personal belongings of the passengers still on/within the bus at this time? Any people except for the bus driver? Was the driver even present? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 426 Registered: 12-2007 |
In that case, were any personal belongings of the passengers still on/within the bus at this time? I guess not. Any people except for the bus driver? Yes. Was the driver even present? Yes. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 335 Registered: 11-2007 |
Were the people left on the bus airport employees? patrons? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 430 Registered: 12-2007 |
BLOOPER! Any people except for the bus driver? THE ANSWER SHOULD HAVE BEEN "NO". Were the people left on the bus airport employees? patrons? No to both. Sorry about the distraction. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2008 |
As for the person(s) you have said the tape was supposed to be a signal to -- where was/were they located? Standing on the ground? Inside a building? Inside of another bus? In another type of vehicle? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 431 Registered: 12-2007 |
As for the person(s) you have said the tape was supposed to be a signal to -- where was/were they located? Standing on the ground? This one. They were maybe two or three, I guess. Inside a building? Inside of another bus? In another type of vehicle? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 336 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was the bus taking the passengers from the terminal to the airplane? from the airplane to the terminal? both? neither? Did this "event" occur at the terminal? airplane (or airfield)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 432 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was the bus taking the passengers from the terminal to the airplane? Yes, but... from the airplane to the terminal? No. both? No. neither? No. Did this "event" occur at the terminal? airplane (or airfield)? What event? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 338 Registered: 11-2007 |
The one that went faster because of the tape... | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 433 Registered: 12-2007 |
The one that went faster because of the tape... This is tough to answer. Since I also feel that we are going in circles a bit, I will tell you that the "event" is the whole boarding procedure. Thanks to the strip of tape, it went much faster. The question is: why? How did the tape help? HINT: Remember (recap 21st April) that the strip of tape is attached on the door AND on the bus... | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are you sure you really mean boarding, not unboarding (I guess that's what it's called)? In response to one of my questions, you said the event happened after the passengers got off the bus. Were you referring there to passengers who got off the bus at the terminal going in the opposite direction? When you say that the bus went from the terminal to the airplane, do you mean that there was a separate terminal building, away from the main terminal, from which passengers got on or off the plane? Or was this an airport without the usual walkways leading to the planes, where people get on and off the planes just by climbing up or down a set of steps placed on the ground? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 434 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are you sure you really mean boarding, not unboarding (I guess that's what it's called)? Yes I am, I mean boarding on the plane. In response to one of my questions, you said the event happened after the passengers got off the bus. Were you referring there to passengers who got off the bus at the terminal going in the opposite direction? See above. When you say that the bus went from the terminal to the airplane, do you mean that there was a separate terminal building, away from the main terminal, from which passengers got on or off the plane? Or was this an airport without the usual walkways leading to the planes, where people get on and off the planes just by climbing up or down a set of steps placed on the ground? It was of this type. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was this last fact relevant (the fact that the plane was boarded by going up stairs)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 441 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was this last fact relevant (the fact that the plane was boarded by going up stairs)? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 20 Registered: 6-2008 |
So the still would have made "something" go faster if the passengers had gotten off the bus into some structure/building, and then boarded the plane through an elevated walkway like at most airports? I notice that long ago you mentioned that the tape was NOT functioning to "prevent potential energy from being released", i.e. to keep something from falling or springing open or closed, etc. However, you said to explore. Given that the tape was on both the door and the bus, could its role have been to keep the door from slamming in the wind (though I couldn't see how this would signal anything to anyone)? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2008 |
Sorry, that first line is missing the word "tape" before "still". | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2007 |
So the [tape] still would have made "something" go faster if the passengers had gotten off the bus into some structure/building, and then boarded the plane through an elevated walkway like at most airports? Yes. I notice that long ago you mentioned that the tape was NOT functioning to "prevent potential energy from being released", i.e. to keep something from falling or springing open or closed, etc. Correct. However, you said to explore. Given that the tape was on both the door and the bus, could its role have been to keep the door from slamming in the wind (though I couldn't see how this would signal anything to anyone)? No, but getting warmer... | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 495 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did the tape indicate wind direction? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 454 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the tape indicate wind direction? No, getting colder now. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 455 Registered: 12-2007 |
HINT/BLOOPER: I realise now there might be some misunderstanding about this point: I notice that long ago you mentioned that the tape was NOT functioning to "prevent potential energy from being released", i.e. to keep something from falling or springing open or closed, etc. Correct. I should have answered like this: I notice that long ago you mentioned that the tape was NOT functioning to "prevent potential energy from being released", Correct... i.e. to keep something from falling or springing open or closed, etc. ...but this is very close to what the tape was there for. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 496 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did the tape hide something? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the tape hide something? No. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2038 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the tape stop the door being opened? Did it just make it take longer? Are the doors hinge doors or sliding? Manual or electric? Is any of this even relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 459 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did the tape stop the door being opened? No, but...! Did it just make it take longer? Yope! Are the doors hinge doors or sliding? Sliding. Manual or electric? Electric. Is any of this even relevant? The technical bit, no, but the rest is, you're very close! | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2008 |
How about this: The sliding doors were made such that they automatically closed after every person exited. This would mean that each passenger would have to wait for the door to re-open before exiting, and these brief moments would have added up to a half hour by the time everyone was off. This is where the tape came in--like most electric doors, these probably had the safety feature that if the motor sensed any resistance when closing the doors, it immediately re-opened them. Therefore, the little bit of tension provided by the tape ensured that the doors never closed automatically, allowing everyone to exit much faster. I still don't see how this communicates to an employee standing on the ground, but it sounds reasonable enough. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 460 Registered: 12-2007 |
How about this: The sliding doors were made such that they automatically closed after every person exited. This would mean that each passenger would have to wait for the door to re-open before exiting, and these brief moments would have added up to a half hour by the time everyone was off. This is where the tape came in--like most electric doors, these probably had the safety feature that if the motor sensed any resistance when closing the doors, it immediately re-opened them. Therefore, the little bit of tension provided by the tape ensured that the doors never closed automatically, allowing everyone to exit much faster. I still don't see how this communicates to an employee standing on the ground, but it sounds reasonable enough. It surely does, but I would never buy a bus with this "feature". That's not it. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2040 Registered: 8-2006 |
Alright, the tape is used to make the sliding take longer. What I'm wondering is why the tape isn't ripped off when the door begins sliding. Or is this the signal? Are the doors opened by the driver, or by an electric eye? (Oh please say the former, I wouldn't like a bus with automatic doors...) | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 462 Registered: 12-2007 |
Alright, the tape is used to make the sliding take longer. Not really. What I'm wondering is why the tape isn't ripped off when the door begins sliding. A commendable consideration... Or is this the signal? No, but you're VERY close... Are the doors opened by the driver, or by an electric eye? (Oh please say the former, I wouldn't like a bus with automatic doors...) The driver. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 497 Registered: 8-2005 |
So is the tape involved in informing the driver that the doors have begun to close/have closed, thus all passengers are on or off the bus? Then he does not need to look round to check! | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2043 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the tape torn off by the sliding doors at all? Is the spot the tape is attached to the bus moving as well? And you said the tape was also transparent earlier... Was it the tape directly showing the signal, or caused the signal? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 467 Registered: 12-2007 |
Martinfg: So is the tape involved in informing the driver that the doors have begun to close/have closed, thus all passengers are on or off the bus? Then he does not need to look round to check! I'm not sure how you mean, but I feel I can safely answer "No". Crazypalpig: Is the tape torn off by the sliding doors at all? Yes. Is the spot the tape is attached to the bus moving as well? No. And you said the tape was also transparent earlier... Was it the tape directly showing the signal, or caused the signal? The tape IS the signal. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2045 Registered: 8-2006 |
That's what I meant, except very badly phrased... Was the signal given when... The doors opened? Closed? Could the Signaled person see the tape, even though it was transparent? Relevant which side of the door it was taped on? Left? Right? Top? Bottom? Was the person looking for signal on the same side of the doors, or on the opposite side? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 468 Registered: 12-2007 |
That's what I meant, except very badly phrased... Was the signal given when... The doors opened? Yes-ish. Closed? No. Could the Signaled person see the tape, even though it was transparent? Yes. Relevant which side of the door it was taped on? No. Left? Right? Top? Bottom? Was the person looking for signal on the same side of the doors, or on the opposite side? Same side as the tape? Yes. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2049 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hmmm why would you go through all this trouble when you can just see the doors open?? Has the signaled person been established? An airport staff member? The driver? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 472 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hmmm why would you go through all this trouble when you can just see the doors open?? There is a FA here about the purpose of the tape. Has the signaled person been established? Roughly. An airport staff member? This, but it should be more specific. The driver? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 498 Registered: 8-2005 |
Does the tape signal to anyone that the doors are open? Visually? By some other means? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2053 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hmmm is the signal given by sight? Hearing? Touch? Smell? Taste?! Or a sixth sense, lateral puzzle solving? ;) I don't really know airport jobs, but here goes... Control tower people? Security officer? Customs officer? Mechanic? Pilot? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 474 Registered: 12-2007 |
Martinfg: Does the tape signal to anyone that the doors are open? No. Visually? By some other means? Crazypalpig: Hmmm is the signal given by sight? This. Hearing? Touch? Smell? Taste?! Or a sixth sense, lateral puzzle solving? ;) I don't really know airport jobs, but here goes... Control tower people? Security officer? This. Customs officer? Mechanic? Pilot? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 499 Registered: 8-2005 |
Does the tape signal to anyone that the doors are closed? Visually? By some other means? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 475 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does the tape signal to anyone that the doors are closed? Yope. Visually? This. By some other means? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2055 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is it signaling that the doors are closing? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 476 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is it signaling that the doors are closing? No. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 500 Registered: 8-2005 |
Does it signal that the doors have not been opened? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 501 Registered: 8-2005 |
Does the tape break? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2059 Registered: 8-2006 |
Ah! Do people actually use that bus? Does it save security officers time to not look at each bus to make sure it hasn't been vandalized or something? So it lets them know that the door Hasn't opened and therefore no one had been inside the bus? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2007 |
Martinfg: Does it signal that the doors have not been opened? Yes! Does the tape break? Hehe. No. Crazypalpig: Ah! Do people actually use that bus? Why, of course. We have established that there were people on the bus when the tape was on the door. Does it save security officers time to not look at each bus to make sure it hasn't been vandalized or something? No... So it lets them know that the door Hasn't opened Yes, and therefore no one had been inside the bus? Yope. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2008 |
Would the security officer have been able to tell a full (of passengers) bus from an empty one by looking through the windows? If not, maybe the tape helped the directing of traffic by distinguishing buses that needed to unload their passengers at the plane from those that had already done so? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 479 Registered: 12-2007 |
Would the security officer have been able to tell a full (of passengers) bus from an empty one by looking through the windows? Yes. If not, maybe the tape helped the directing of traffic by distinguishing buses that needed to unload their passengers at the plane from those that had already done so? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2008 |
Since you say it was to indicate that the bus door had not been opened... IF the security officer had not been able to "receive" the signal, and instead always assumed that the door had not been opened, which of the following could have happened? -People boarding the wrong plane? -Items being stolen from the bus and/or passengers? -Terrorists being able to bring items on the plane while in their possession? -Same as previous, but putting the items on the plane some other way? -Problems involving the passengers' own baggage? (Since we already established that people did not pay to ride the bus, I'm not including non-payment of a fare here) | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2061 Registered: 8-2006 |
So, the fact that the tape is put on after the doors are shut implies... I don't quite know. Is the driver aware of the tape? Relevant? Are all passengers aware of it? Relevant where the security officers are when they see the tape? As the bus is moving? Just before the bus is unloading? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 481 Registered: 12-2007 |
Biograd: Since you say it was to indicate that the bus door had not been opened... IF the security officer had not been able to "receive" the signal, and instead always assumed that the door had not been opened, which of the following could have happened? -People boarding the wrong plane? Unlikely. -Items being stolen from the bus and/or passengers? Unlikely. -Terrorists being able to bring items on the plane while in their possession? Possibly. -Same as previous, but putting the items on the plane some other way? Unlikely. -Problems involving the passengers' own baggage? Unlikely. Crazypalpig: So, the fact that the tape is put on after the doors are shut implies... I don't quite know. Is the driver aware of the tape? Yes. Relevant? Somewhat. Are all passengers aware of it? Probably not. Relevant where the security officers are when they see the tape? Yes. As the bus is moving? No. Just before the bus is unloading? Yes. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2008 |
Well, the only thing I can think of at this point is this: Possibly, airport security was worried that a terrorist, or someone like that, could wait somewhere along the route between the terminal building and the plane, and have an accomplice who was riding the bus open the door for him while going by without anyone else noticing. This would allow the person to bypass security. The tape would indicate if this had in fact occurred. Otherwise, to avoid the above scenario, everyone would need to show ID again at the plane, which could take the relevant half hour. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 482 Registered: 12-2007 |
Well, the only thing I can think of at this point is this: Possibly, airport security was worried that a terrorist, or someone like that, could wait somewhere along the route between the terminal building and the plane, and have an accomplice who was riding the bus open the door for him while going by without anyone else noticing. This would allow the person to bypass security. The tape would indicate if this had in fact occurred. Otherwise, to avoid the above scenario, everyone would need to show ID again at the plane, which could take the relevant half hour. Good! You have solved almost all the puzzle, but you still need to explain why infiltration on the bus should be a problem. Normally, buses that run between terminal and aircraft do not take these precautions. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2062 Registered: 8-2006 |
Since the only way the doors would open is if the driver opens the doors, are they worried that the driver is the accomplice? And the driver is aware of it so he won't try? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is there anything special about this particular airport that is relevant? Layout of the buildings? Geographical location? I can't say I have ever been to an airport where there was a bus between the terminal and the planes, so maybe there is something relevant at such places that I don't know about. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 484 Registered: 12-2007 |
Crazypalpig: Since the only way the doors would open is if the driver opens the doors, are they worried that the driver is the accomplice? And the driver is aware of it so he won't try? No. Biograd: Is there anything special about this particular airport that is relevant? FA. Layout of the buildings? No. Geographical location? Yope. I can't say I have ever been to an airport where there was a bus between the terminal and the planes, so maybe there is something relevant at such places that I don't know about. I don't think so. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 503 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is the FA that it does not happen in an airport? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 485 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the FA that it does not happen in an airport? No-ish. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 504 Registered: 8-2005 |
confused now lol! | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 505 Registered: 8-2005 |
Sorry mis worded that: Is the FA that it DID happen in an airport? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 487 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sorry mis worded that: Is the FA that it DID happen in an airport? As opposed to not happening at all? I'm not sure what you mean, sorry. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 506 Registered: 8-2005 |
An earlier post was:- Is there anything special about this particular airport that is relevant? FA. There must be a false assumption about the airport as this is the only assumption made in this statement. therefore my quetion is:- is the FA to do with the airport? (sorry confusing myself now!) | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 488 Registered: 12-2007 |
An earlier post was:- Is there anything special about this particular airport that is relevant? FA. There must be a false assumption about the airport as this is the only assumption made in this statement. therefore my quetion is:- is the FA to do with the airport? (sorry confusing myself now!) Yes. Sorry | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 507 Registered: 8-2005 |
Ok so do these events of this puzzle take place in an airport? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2008 |
I still don't quite get it. Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place where planes are taking off, but one that nevertheless could not technically qualify as an "airport"? About the flight that the passengers were about to board when you saw the tape being used: Was it going to another city in the same country? Another country? Was it going to land in an actual airport? Were the passengers (or some of them) tourists? Were they all traveling for a specific reason (e.g. work-related)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 489 Registered: 12-2007 |
Martinfg: Ok so do these events of this puzzle take place in an airport? Yope. Biograd: I still don't quite get it. Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place FA where planes are taking off, Yes but one that nevertheless could not technically qualify as an "airport"? "Airport" is an appropriate term. About the flight that the passengers were about to board when you saw the tape being used: Was it going to another city in the same country? Another country? Irrelevant. Was it going to land in an actual airport? Yes, but irrelevant. Were the passengers (or some of them) tourists? Irrelevant. Were they all traveling for a specific reason (e.g. work-related)? Irrelevant. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2008 |
"Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place FA" How can it be a FA that these events occurred in a "place"? That is almost an infinitely broad term. This is especially true since you said you were one of the passengers, so it couldn't have been just in someone else's imagination or something like that. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 508 Registered: 8-2005 |
is this from real life? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 490 Registered: 12-2007 |
Biograd: "Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place FA" How can it be a FA that these events occurred in a "place"? That is almost an infinitely broad term. Yes, I agree, but I can assure you that sentence contains a false assumption, at least in some sense. By writing "FA" there I am trying to give you a clue about its nature. This is especially true since you said you were one of the passengers, so it couldn't have been just in someone else's imagination or something like that. Agree. Martinfg: is this from real life? Yes, it happened to me. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 509 Registered: 8-2005 |
is it a dream? a book? a short story? a song? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 491 Registered: 12-2007 |
is it a dream? a book? a short story? a song? No, it is from real life. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 510 Registered: 8-2005 |
so its from real life but we are wrong in thinking it happened somewhere? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2008 |
Martinfg: "is this from real life? Yes, it happened to me." | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 492 Registered: 12-2007 |
so its from real life but we are wrong in thinking it happened somewhere? Negative. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 511 Registered: 8-2005 |
not being funny but this is getting quite confusing! Did it happen in a place? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 493 Registered: 12-2007 |
not being funny but this is getting quite confusing! Did it happen in a place? Define "it" and "a place", please. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 512 Registered: 8-2005 |
a recap might be nice here! Did the event that went quicker(it) happen in a real geographical location (place) ? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 513 Registered: 8-2005 |
Sorry but i think your FA stuff seems to be distracting from the main jist of the puzzle! | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 185 Registered: 5-2008 |
"Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place FA" Is the FA that "this puzzle occurs"? And hence the clue is: The situation/event that the tape is there to prevent doesn't occur? (I'm not quite sure what I mean either... I did know when I started typing that but it's late here :P) I ought to check that for possible FAs too, please answer this even if the above is irrelevant; The tape is there to prevent a situation/event? Is the FA that it "occurs in a place"? And hence the clue is: The puzzle occurs as a concept? In the mind(s) of one or more of airport staff? passengers? Do airport security check the tape everytime the bus moves from terminal to plane? from plane to terminal? beginning of the day? end of the day? Less frequently? Not at all? Is the tape frequently replaced? Would the tape show signs of a situation/event occuring if the situation/event occured? Does the presence of the tape make a situation/event that could have occured impossible? Is the tape ever intentionally removed? Is it always (or could it always be) put in the same place everytime? Is this security feature (the tape) present on all buses at this airport where you witnessed it? Would you say it would be a good idea to have the tape on all airport buses? All airport buses of that particular design? Was the bus you were on broken/malfunctioning in anyway that would make the tape necessary to correct the problem? Does the bus you were on bend? Relevant? If so: Is the number of places in which the bus bends relevant? Can the bus' doors be opened from the inside by a passenger? from the outside? whilst in transit? Did the bus you were on travel slowly? Slow enough for someone to board? If the bus travels slowly: would this be because it is mechanically unable to go faster (i.e. buses of its design can not go above certain speeds)? physically unable to go faster (due to frequent obstructions in its path)? doesn't go faster as a precaution (i.e. to avoid collisions occuring)? Is a person aboard the bus required for infiltration? Is the infiltration the security staff are worried about by a single individual? or are numerous individuals working together required to be considered a threat? Could terrorists get foreign objects (i.e. a bomb) onto the bus and to an accomplice in the same way, unobserved or unquestioned? Would the terrorists count on the other passengers not questioning (or at least not thinking twice about) the infiltration? Would the infiltration appear to be a normal occurance? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 494 Registered: 12-2007 |
Martinfg: Did the event that went quicker(it) happen in a real geographical location (place) ? Yes. Sorry but i think your FA stuff seems to be distracting from the main jist of the puzzle! I agree, and I know I can be picky about phrasing at times. I will do a recap after this post and probably tell you about the nature of this FA. Liquizt: "Is it that this puzzle occurs in a place FA" Is the FA that "this puzzle occurs"? No. And hence the clue is: The situation/event that the tape is there to prevent doesn't occur? (I'm not quite sure what I mean either... I did know when I started typing that but it's late here :P) Not sure either, but anyway no, that's not the FA. I ought to check that for possible FAs too, please answer this even if the above is irrelevant; The tape is there to prevent a situation/event? The tape is there to ensure that no-one has gotten on the bus while it was en route to the airplane. See Biograd's post from Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 10:43 pm. Some of the questions below are a bit redundant in the light of Biograd's post, but the rest of them are actually quite good. Is the FA that it "occurs in a place"? Yes-ish, depending on how you define "place"... And hence the clue is: The puzzle occurs as a concept? In the mind(s) of one or more of airport staff? passengers? ...but this is not the clue. Do airport security check the tape everytime the bus moves from terminal to plane? No. from plane to terminal? No. beginning of the day? end of the day? Less frequently? Not at all? This-ish. Is the tape frequently replaced? No. Would the tape show signs of a situation/event occuring if the situation/event occured? Yes. Does the presence of the tape make a situation/event that could have occured impossible? Yes. Is the tape ever intentionally removed? Yes. Is it always (or could it always be) put in the same place everytime? No. Is this security feature (the tape) present on all buses at this airport where you witnessed it? No. Would you say it would be a good idea to have the tape on all airport buses? No. All airport buses of that particular design? No. Was the bus you were on broken/malfunctioning in anyway that would make the tape necessary to correct the problem? No. Does the bus you were on bend? Yes. Relevant? No. If so: Is the number of places in which the bus bends relevant? Can the bus' doors be opened from the inside by a passenger? No. from the outside? Maybe, I'm not sure. whilst in transit? Maybe. Did the bus you were on travel slowly? No! Slow enough for someone to board? No. If the bus travels slowly: would this be because it is mechanically unable to go faster (i.e. buses of its design can not go above certain speeds)? physically unable to go faster (due to frequent obstructions in its path)? doesn't go faster as a precaution (i.e. to avoid collisions occuring)? N/A Is a person aboard the bus required for infiltration? No. Is the infiltration the security staff are worried about by a single individual? or are numerous individuals working together required to be considered a threat? Irrelevant. Could terrorists get foreign objects (i.e. a bomb) onto the bus and to an accomplice in the same way, unobserved or unquestioned? No. Would the terrorists count on the other passengers not questioning (or at least not thinking twice about) the infiltration? No. Would the infiltration appear to be a normal occurance? No. Recap coming up... | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 495 Registered: 12-2007 |
********* RECAP ********* A true story, happened to me. A bus takes some passengers from an airport terminal to an airplane. During the trip, its doors are sealed shut by means of strips of tape; the purpose of the tape is to detect if someone has infiltrated the bus while it was en route to the airplane. TO BE DETERMINED: Why was it necessary to take the tape precaution? HINT: The question contains a false assumption. This is where it came in first. In one of the older posts, it was established that the bus traveled about 27 miles. You do the math. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 514 Registered: 8-2005 |
did the bus take people from one airport to another? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 496 Registered: 12-2007 |
did the bus take people from one airport to another? Yes! ********* SPOILER ********* The aircraft we were supposed to board could not land because of the thick fog that had lifted and was rerouted to another airport nearby, where the situation was apparently better. We were anyway asked to pass security and we boarded buses on the airside of the terminal. The doors were closed and tape was put on to make sure that no-one could infiltrate the buses undetected. The buses left the first airport, drove forty kilometres and dropped us directly at our aircraft, which we could board right away. If the tape had not been there, we would have had to pass security again and the boarding procedure would have taken longer. As a personal note, let me add that a strip of tape is not a very intelligent way to detect intrusion. You might not be able to tell if it was tampered with, you can replace it... a paper strip with glue, signed by one of the officers, would have made much more sense. Anyway, no-one bothered to check that the tape was still there at the other airport. So much for nothing. Thank you all for sticking to this unexpectedly long puzzle. I hope you now realise why I *had* to answer "FA" to your questions... | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 515 Registered: 8-2005 |
Yeah the FA makes sense now, as is ofen the case when you know the answer. Good puzzle.Thanks | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 39 Registered: 6-2008 |
Now it makes sense. I didn't see where it had been established that the bus traveled a long distance. Now the FAs do make sense. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2064 Registered: 8-2006 |
Good puzzle! 181 posts... Quite uncommon now :P (Oops. 182 :D) |
