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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Valentina, a totally devoted wife, pretends she has been unfaithful to her husband. How come??
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Does she pretend to him? To people they know? To everyone? Does everyone believe her?

Is she trying to cover something up?

Has she done anything negative at all to her husband?

Is she an actress of any kind? Does she gain financially from the pretence? Does her husband? Someone else?

Is it relevant who she pretended she had cheated on him with? Is blackmail involved? Would, or could, this pretence be seen as morally wrong? Illegal? Does she do anything else morally wrong or illegal during the evnts of this puzzle?

Does she at any point reveal that it was only a pretence?
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Does she admit adultery in order to grant him an easy divorce?
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Hmm, one extra point following on from Woodworm's question: is her husband as devoted to her as she is to him?
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Is she protecting him? Herself?
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Does she pretend to him? no To people they know? yes To everyone? yes Does everyone believe her? irrel

Is she trying to cover something up?no

Has she done anything negative at all to her husband? no

Is she an actress of any kind? no Does she gain financially from the pretence? no Does her husband? no Someone else? no

Is it relevant who she pretended she had cheated on him with? no Is blackmail involved? no Would, or could, this pretence be seen as morally wrong? yes Illegal? yes Does she do anything else morally wrong or illegal during the evnts of this puzzle?yes

Does she at any point reveal that it was only a pretence? no
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Does she admit adultery in order to grant him an easy divorce? no
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Hmm, one extra point following on from Woodworm's question: is her husband as devoted to her as she is to him? yope
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Is she protecting him?no Herself?no
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Does she gain in some way from this deception? Does he?

Are the place or time relevant?

Are any other individuals relevant? Their friends? Family? Strangers?
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Does the husband know she is pretending? Is he alive?

Does pretending to be unfaithful involve...
Telling people she has cheated? Actually acting out a rendezvous with another man? Removing her wedding ring? Photographs of any kind?
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Does she gain in some way from this deception? yes Does he? no

Are the place or time relevant? yesish

Are any other individuals relevant? yes Their friends? no Family? no Strangers? yes
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Does the husband know she is pretending? no Is he alive? no

Does pretending to be unfaithful involve...
Telling people she has cheated? yes Actually acting out a rendezvous with another man? noRemoving her wedding ring? no Photographs of any kind? no
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Does she pretend that she was cheating on him when he was alive? Or after he died (though I guess it's debatable whether that's being unfaithful)?

Are children relevant? Does she want people to think that the couple's children were fathered by another man? Inheritance relevant?

Did the husband ever cheat on Valentina? Or do something else unpleasant to her?

Is it actually relevant that Valentina was devoted to her husband, or did you just say that to make the puzzle statement seem more unlikely?
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Do the people she is telling this to know that he is dead? Is she pretending to cheat on him so people will think he's still alive?
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Does she pretend that she was cheating on him when he was alive? yes Or after he died no (though I guess it's debatable whether that's being unfaithful) How could it be???

Are children relevant no Does she want people to think that the couple's children were fathered by another man? no Inheritance relevant? no

Did the husband ever cheat on Valentina? no Or do something else unpleasant to her? no

Is it actually relevant that Valentina was devoted to her husband, or did you just say that to make the puzzle statement seem more unlikely? the former
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Do the people she is telling this to know that he is dead?yes Is she pretending to cheat on him so people will think he's still alive? no
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Does she gain from making herself seem unpleasant? Deceitful? Does she want people to think that she was not devoted to him? Does she want to make people feel sorry for her husband? Could she potentially achieve the same gain by pretending she had done something else deceitful?

Are the relevant strangers the people who Valentina tells that she cheated?
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Does she gain from making herself seem unpleasant?see next answers Deceitful? yes Does she want people to think that she was not devoted to him? yes Does she want to make people feel sorry for her husband? no Could she potentially achieve the same gain by pretending she had done something else deceitful? no

Are the relevant strangers the people who Valentina tells that she cheated? yope
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Has she remarried? Or got another boyfriend? If so, do the people she lies to know about the new man?
Does Valentina want people to think she is deceitful because then they might think she is being deceitful about something else?

Does Valentina gain financially from the pretence? Materially? Does she gain a privilege she wouldn't otherwise have had? Avoid something unpleasant? Save her reputation? Become more popular? Does her being seen as deceitful or as not having loved her husband provide an excuse for something?

Did Valentina do anything illegal during her marriage? Did her husband? Is it relevant how he died?
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Has she remarried?no Or got another boyfriend? no If so, do the people she lies to know about the new man?
Does Valentina want people to think she is deceitful because then they might think she is being deceitful about something else? yes

Does Valentina gain financially from the pretence? no Materially? Well she gains a prqctical advantage if that's what you mean}Does she gain a privilege she wouldn't otherwise have had? yopeAvoid something unpleasant? no Save her reputation? no Become more popular? no Does her being seen as deceitful or as not having loved her husband provide an excuse for something? no

Did Valentina do anything illegal during her marriage? no Did her husband? no Is it relevant how he died? yes
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Did he die from illness? Accident? Suicide? Murder? If murder, did Valentina kill him? Does she know who did?
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Did he die from illness? no Accident? no Suicide? no Murder? yes If murder, did Valentina kill him? no Does she know who did? possibly
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Is she doing this to help her figure out who murdered him? To confirm a suspicion she has?

Is life insurance involved? Her husband's will?
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Is the motive for the murder relevant? Money? Revenge? Anger? Jealousy?
Does Valentina want people to think she was being deceitful about something connected to his murder? Does she want people to think that her lover killed him?
Is the advantage Valentina gains from people thinking she is deceitful a gain in possessions? Does it allow her to go on and gain in another way? Does she want people to think that she was lying about a specific thing, or just deceitful in general?
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Is she doing this to help her figure out who murdered him? To confirm a suspicion she has?

Is life insurance involved? no Her husband's will? no
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Is the motive for the murder relevant? no Money? Revenge? Anger? Jealousy?
Does Valentina want people to think she was being deceitful about something connected to his murder? yes Does she want people to think that her lover killed him? no
Is the advantage Valentina gains from people thinking she is deceitful a gain in possessions? no Does it allow her to go on and gain in another way? yesDoes she want people to think that she was lying about a specific thing, or just deceitful in general? the formerBy the way,Enjay,since you're asking me all these great questions, I really shouldn't be greedy, but as long as you're aqround, why not direct your sharp lateral mind at my other puzzles as well? "The Surprisingly Accurate Insult," in particular, is almost ready to be spoiled. . .
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Did she say something about the murder, which she now regrets and wants to make people think she was being deceitful? Does she plan to do something illegal, but if people think she is deceitful she will get away with it? If they don't think she is deceitful, will they think she is something else worse?
Does she want people to think that she wasn't devoted to him so that they think she was less upset about his death? Does she for some reason want people to suspect her of the murder?

By the way, Nimue, there are some unanswered questions on your Californication puzzle...I'll try to have a go at your other one.
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Did she say something about the murder, which she now regrets and wants to make people think she was being deceitful? no Does she plan to do something illegal yes, but if people think she is deceitful she will get away with it?{possibly} If they don't think she is deceitful, will they think she is something else worse? no
Does she want people to think that she wasn't devoted to him so that they think she was less upset about his death? no Does she for some reason want people to suspect her of the murder? yes

By the way, Nimue, there are some unanswered questions on your Californication puzzle I'm going to them right now!!...I'll try to have a go at your other one. Thanks--I've already answered your questions on it
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Is she speaking at her husband's murder trial? Has someone else been accused of his murder? Is she trying to clear their name?
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Is she speaking at her husband's murder trial? yes Has someone else been accused of his murder? yes Is she trying to clear their name? yes
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Is the other person guilty? Does Valentina believe they are innocent? Or does she think they are guilty but wants to protect them anyway? Is it relevant who the other person is?

Does she intend to be charged with his murder? To be found guilty? To go to jail/get executed? Does she intend to get people to think she killed him, and then clear her name?
Is the law (in England at least) that nobody can be tried twice for the same crime relevant?

When speaking at her husband's murder trial: is she a witness for the prosecution? Defence? Does she pretend to have had an affair before the trial? During it? Does she come out with an actual confession of his murder during the trial, or more subtly hint that she may be guilty? Is her illegal act (or one of them) perjury?
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Is the other person guilty? irrel Does Valentina believe they are innocent? no Or does she think they are guilty but wants to protect them anyway? no Is it relevant who the other person is? no

Does she intend to be charged with his murder? no To be found guilty? no To go to jail/get executed? noDoes she intend to get people to think she killed him, and then clear her name? no
Is the law (in England at least) that nobody can be tried twice for the same crime relevant? no--& it's true on the USA too

When speaking at her husband's murder trial: is she a wi no Does she pretend to have had an affair before the trial? During it? Does she come out with an actual confession of his murder during the trial, or more subtly hint that she may be guilty? the latter Is her illegal act (or one of them) perjury? yes--one of them
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Is she doing this against her will? Is she being bribed? Threatened? By the defendant? The defendant's family?
Is she trying to get the defendant off due to 'reasonable doubt'?
Would she benefit from the defendant in particular being cleared? Or more generally, from no-one being found guilty? Does she plan to frame someone else in the future? Does she want hubby's murder to be more thoroughly investigated?
Does she claim infidelity simply to give herself motive for murder, in the others' eyes?
Does Valentina want the defendant to walk free so that she can 'deal' with him/her in her own way?
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Is she doing this against her will?no Is she being bribed? no Threatened? no By the defendant? The defendant's family?
Is she trying to get the defendant off due to 'reasonable doubt'? yes
Would she benefit from the defendant in particular being cleared? yes Or more generally, from no-one being found guilty? no Does she plan to frame someone else in the future? noDoes she want hubby's murder to be more thoroughly investigated? no
Does she claim infidelity simply to give herself motive for murder, in the others' eyes? yes
Does Valentina want the defendant to walk free so that she can 'deal' with him/her in her own way? yes

*********SPOILER*************
Valentina lied as a witness in the trial for her husband's alleged murderer, claiming she was having an affair. She wantede to create reasonable doubt (by casting suspiciuon on herself) so the defendant would be acquitted & she could kill her for revenge, rather than (at best) have him go to prison in the non-death-penalty state where he was on trial. Surprise--it's from "Law & Order." Sorry it was so easy & please check out my new one you know where.
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Nice puzzle.
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THANKS--PLEASE CHECK OUT MY OTHERS!!

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