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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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She's late, but she's timely.
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She = H? A? F?
death related puzzle?
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the puzzle statement relevant?

Any of these things relevant;
her education?
her job?
her background?
her family?
her hobbies?
where she lives?
her health, physical or mental?
location?
era?
any other people?
objects?
non-human animals?
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Alice in Wonderland relevant?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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She = H? Yes A? No F? Yes
death related puzzle? No
Is the puzzle statement relevant? Yes

Any of these things relevant;
her education?
her job?
her background?
her family? Yes
her hobbies?
where she lives?
her health, physical or mental?
location?
era? No, but assume modern
any other people? Yes
objects?
non-human animals?
Alice in Wonderland relevant? No, just thought it made a good title!
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Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 8:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have any influence over whether she was 'late' or 'timely'?

Is when when was born relevant? Born early? Born late? Is when she was conceived relevant?
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Did she have any influence over whether she was 'late' or 'timely'? No

Is when when was born relevant? Yes Born early? No Born late? Yes Is when she was conceived relevant? No
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Is 'she' a baby girl?

Should her birthday have fallen on an important day had she arrived on the expected date of delivery?

However, she arrived late, so does 'timely' refer to something else?
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May we call her Alice?

Is the late in the puzzle statement a reference to her birth?

Number of other relevant people = 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? more than 5?
Among the other relevant people is there:
Mother?
Father?
Sister?
Brother?
Other family member?
Friend of Alice?
Friend of Alice's family?
Doctor?
Midwife?
Nurse?
Policeman?
Milkman?
Postman?
Fireman?
Other?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Is 'she' a baby girl? Yes.

Should her birthday have fallen on an important day had she arrived on the expected date of delivery? No.

However, she arrived late, so does 'timely' refer to something else? Yes.

May we call her Alice? If you like.

Is the late in the puzzle statement a reference to her birth? Yes.

Number of other relevant people = 1? 2? This. 3? 4? 5? more than 5?
Among the other relevant people is there:
Mother? This.
Father? And this.
Sister?
Brother?
Other family member?
Friend of Alice?
Friend of Alice's family?
Doctor?
Midwife?
Nurse?
Policeman?
Milkman?
Postman?
Fireman?
Other?
Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Are both 'she's' the same person? If not, mother and daughter?

Does this have anything to do with the international date line? Daylight savings?

Was was born just in time for school year separtion? Just before her mother had to be induced?
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Are both 'she's' the same person? Yes. If not, mother and daughter?

Does this have anything to do with the international date line? No. Daylight savings? No.

Was was born just in time for school year separtion? No. Just before her mother had to be induced? No.
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Is the date she was born on relevant? events of the day she was born?

Is the timely in the puzzle statement a reference to her birth?

Did her birth at that time change something? prevent something from happening? cause something to happen?
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Is the date she was born on relevant? No. events of the day she was born? No.

Is the timely in the puzzle statement a reference to her birth? Yes.

Did her birth at that time change something? No. prevent something from happening? No. cause something to happen? Yope.
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Are leap years relevant?
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Does "timely" refer to a specific time of birth (i.e., 11:11 AM)?
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Are leap years relevant? No.

Does "timely" refer to a specific time of birth (i.e., 11:11 AM)? No.

Hint: There are no specifics of location, date or identification involved; this could happen to any family, anywhere, anytime. Assume modern times, developed-country location, and an ordinary mother, father and baby.

Also, Liquizt's "events of the day she was born?" is a BLOOPER -- the answer should be "Possibly, assume yes."
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So if the specifics of the date don't matter, but the events of the day she was born do, this must be a recurring event, right? Something like being born on the solstice? A holiday?
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So if the specifics of the date don't matter, but the events of the day she was born do, this must be a recurring event, right? No. Something like being born on the solstice? A holiday? No holidays or recurring events are involved. You've got an FA here.
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So, was she born late?

Was she, however, born in time for a certain event? just before the end of a certain time period?

Long shot, but there weren't any relevant bets placed on which day she was going to born on were there?
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Is there one event of the day of particular importance (other than Alice's birth)?
If so: did her birth have a significant effect on the course of that event?

Are there related event(s) which precede that day/ the events of that day? follow that day?

Are the important events of that day related to her parents? father? mother? both? possibly, difficulties in their relationship?
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So, was she born late? Yes.

Was she, however, born in time for a certain event? No. just before the end of a certain time period? No.

Long shot, but there weren't any relevant bets placed on which day she was going to born on were there? No.

Is there one event of the day of particular importance (other than Alice's birth)? Yes.
If so: did her birth have a significant effect on the course of that event? No.

Are there related event(s) which precede that day/ Yes. the events of that day? Yes follow that day? No.

Are the important events of that day related to her parents? Yes. father? Yes. mother? No. both? No. possibly, difficulties in their relationship? No.
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Was the father present at the birth? relevant?

Is Alice's father Alice's mother's husband?
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Was the father present at the birth? Yes. relevant? Yes.

Is Alice's father Alice's mother's husband? Yes.
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Was Alice born on her father's birthday?
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Was Alice born on her father's birthday? No.
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Hint: Alice's father's profession is relevant. It is not related to medicine.
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Was Alice born at a hospital? at home? elsewhere?

Was Alice born at the right time for her father to have lots of time off, like in the summer holidays if he happens to be a teacher?
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Was Alice born at a hospital? at home? elsewhere? Irrelevant, assume hospital.

Was Alice born at the right time for her father to have lots of time off, like in the summer holidays if he happens to be a teacher?No, and he's not a teacher. Time of year is irrelevant. You are, however, on the right track.
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Here it comes...

Father's profession:
Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking / financial / real estate?
Clerical / Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Security / Law Enforcement?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation /Livery / Trucking ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?

OTRT = "Alice was born at the right time for her father to _____________"?
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Here it comes...

Father's profession:
Artistic/musical/writer? This, no others
Banking / financial / real estate?
Clerical / Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Security / Law Enforcement?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation /Livery / Trucking ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?

OTRT = "Alice was born at the right time for her father to _____________"? Yes.
Liquizt (Liquizt)
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right time = right time of year? right time in her father's career? right time as in right stage of a project?

right time for her father to make some reference to her/ her birth in his work?

Father is:
A painter? sculptor? artist that would display their work in a gallery?
musician? singer? song writer?
Author? of fiction? Journalist?
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right time = right time of year? right time in her father's career? right time as in right stage of a project? None of the above, fa

right time for her father to make some reference to her birth in his work? No. Someone else does, but this isn't relevant to solving the puzzle.

Father is:
A painter? sculptor? artist that would display their work in a gallery? None of these.
musician? singer? song writer? All of these.
Author? of fiction? Journalist? None of these.
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did he write a song about his daughter? did one of his songs get released that day? something else relevant in his career that day? did he have a gig somewhere? any awards?
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did he write a song about his daughter? No, but OTRT. did one of his songs get released that day? No. something else relevant in his career that day? Yes. did he have a gig somewhere? Not that day, but a gig is relevant. any awards? No.

Keep it up, you're getting close!
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right time for her father to make some reference to her birth in his work? No. Someone else does, but this isn't relevant to solving the puzzle.

Blooper alert: This IS actually relevant.
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Recap:

A musician's daughter was born late. However, he considered her birth timely, and his band commemorated this in their work.

He considered her timely due to something relevant to his career, specifically involving the band's performances.
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A tour relevant?
A particular gig relevant?
A particular song relevant?
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Would he have missed her birth if she had been born on time, due to a gig? but because she was late he was able to be there?
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A tour relevant? Yes.
A particular gig relevant? No.
A particular song relevant? No.

Would he have missed her birth if she had been born on time, due to a gig? but because she was late he was able to be there? Correct.

Spoiler:

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This happened to Alan Reid of Scotland's Battlefield Band, a folk music group which was on tour in Europe during his wife's pregnancy. Due to travel difficulties at the end of the tour, he was worried he wouldn't arrive home in time for his daughter's birth. But the birth was late and so he made it. The band's next album, On the Rise, featured a tune titled She's Late But She's Timely.

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