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Nimue (Nimue)
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As a former fat person, I am well aware of the obvious advantages of my former state: you get to eat whatever you want & your weight screens out potential friends & lovers who care so much about appearance that they wouldn't be worth having anyway. But there's also a much less obvious advantage I experienced several times a year. What is it????
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Were you married when you were fat? relevant? Did you have children? Relevant? Any other relevant family stuff? Medical stuff?
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Did you experience this advantage in particular months of the year? on particular days? holidays? work days?
Relevant how often per year? more than 5 times? more than 10 times?
Advantage compared with the situation if you had have less weight? or advantage over other people involved in the same occasion?
Traveling relevant?
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Were you married when you were fat? irrel relevant? no Did you have children? irrel Relevant? noAny other relevant family stuff? no Medical stuff? no
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Did you experience this advantage in particular months of the year?yes on particular days? yopeholidays? no work days? yes
Relevant how often per year? yesmore than 5 times? more than 10 times? either would be possible
Advantage compared with the situation if you had have less weight? yes or advantage over other people involved in the same occasion?
well, it's not a compertitive advantage if that's what you meanTraveling relevant? yes
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Did you travel to/for work? Type of transportation relevant? If so, car? Bus? Train? Plane? Other? Did your size make people less likely to sit next to you, therefore giving you more room in your seat?
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Did you travel to/for work? To? irrel For? yes Type of transportation relevant? yes If so, car? no Bus? no Train? yes Plane? yes Other? Did your size make people less likely to sit next to you, therefore giving you more room in your seat?irrel
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Would it still be an advatage for me (being a male)?

Did people on a full train allow you to have their seats believing you to be pregnant?

I can't help but fear this comes across as rude, so I'm sorry if it does.
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Would it still be an advatage for me (being a male)?your sex is irrel

Did people on a full train allow you to have their seats believing you to be pregnant?no

I can't help but fear this comes across as rude, so I'm sorry if it does.It doesn't come across as rude. It comes across as a good puzzle question.
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Were the "several times a year" every time you went on a plane or train? Every time you went on one of those specifically for work?

Is it connected to seating? To getting a seat? To the way people treat you? To the way they think about you? Are plane or train staff relevant at all? Is your baggage relevant?

Was it your physical size that gave you the advantage? Or was it more to do with they way fat people are considered in our society? Are there any other conditions that could result in the same advantage for the same or similar reason?
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I you went on a train in your own free time would it still be an advantage?

Does it have anything to do with: the seat itself? the location of the seat? the proximity of others? food/catering? getting on the train? getting off the train?

And thank you for saying my previous question was good. It means a lot as a keen beginner
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Were the "several times a year" every time you went on a plane or train?see next answer Every time you went on one of those specifically for work? yes

Is it connected to seating? yope To getting a seat? yope To the way people treat you?yes To the way they think about you? yes Are plane or train staff relevant at all? no Is your baggage relevant? no

Was it your physical size that gave you the advantage? yes Or was it more to do with they way fat people are considered in our society? noish Are there any other conditions that could result in the same advantage for the same or similar reason? yes
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I you went on a train in your own free time would it still be an advantage? no

Does it have anything to do with: the seat itself? yes the location of the seat? no the proximity of others? yope or noish food/catering? no getting on the train? no getting off the train? no

And thank you for saying my previous question was good. It means a lot as a keen beginner We all began as keen beginners
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Were you allocated seats by your work? Did you get better seats because you were fat? Aisle seats? Window seats? Seats with nobody next to you? Seats in a particular part of the plane/train?

Was the reason why the advantage didn't arise when you travelled on your own time because then you organised i yourself, so could choose it the way you wanted it anyway?

Did people think less of you because you were fat? Did they make an assumption about you because of it?
The people who treated you/thought of you in a relevant way: are they people who work with you? Fellow passengers?

Would a person who was dangerously underweight have the same advantage?
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Were you allocated seats by your work? no Did you get better seats because you were fat?yope Aisle seats?irrel Window seats? irrel Seats with nobody next to you? no Seats in a particular part of the plane/train? no

Was the reason why the advantage didn't arise when you travelled on your own time because then you organised i yourself, so could choose it the way you wanted it anyway? yes

Did people think less of you because you were fat? probably but irrel Did they make an assumption about you because of it? ditto
The people who treated you/thought of you in a relevant way: are they people who work with you? yes Fellow passengers? no

Would a person who was dangerously underweight have the same advantage? no
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Is what your job is relevant? Is which train/plane you take to get there relevant? If you were to take your work on the train with you but not actually work (i.e. so it seemed like it was for work) would you have the same advantage? Would any person of your weight have the advantage? what about a co-worker with the same weight as you? Would Arnold Schwarzenhagger (or some other big celebrity) have the advantage?
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Are there different sized seats? Are single arm rests between pairs of seats relevant?

As you said that when you travelled in your own time you organised it yourself, so you could choose it the way you wanted it anyway, would this still be the case if you stepped onto the train: without pre-booking the tickets? if the train was particulary full? if you missed your intended train and had to catch the next one?
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Would the advantage be present if:
You were the only person (apart from the driver/pilot etc.) on the train/plane? You and your co-workers? You and a few strangers (i.e. not with co-workers)? You and a large number of strangers (still no co-workers)?
The aisles were wider?
The seats larger?
You had luggage? no luggage?
Short distance trip? long distance trip?

Would the advantage be appreciated in the same way by a thinner person?
Would the advantage increase if you were larger? decrease as you got thinner?

Is the advantage obtained during the booking of seats? allocating of seats to employees? boarding the train/plane? Moving through the aisles? Taking you seat? Whilst seated? Getting out of your seat? Exiting the train/plane?
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Did you raise the armrest between two seats and sit in both of them?

Did your employer pay for your plane/train tickets? Did they pay for you to have two seats, instead of just one?
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Is what your job is relevant? yes Is which train/plane you take to get there relevant? no If you were to take your work on the train with you but not actually work (i.e. so it seemed like it was for work) would you have the same advantage?whether I actually work while en route is irrel Would any person of your weight have the advantage? no what about a co-worker with the same weight as you? possibly Would Arnold Schwarzenhagger no (or some other big celebrity) have the advantage? unlikely
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Are there different sized seats? yes Are single arm rests between pairs of seats relevant? no

As you said that when you travelled in your own time you organised it yourself, so you could choose it the way you wanted it anyway, would this still be the case if you stepped onto the train: without pre-booking the tickets?yes if the train was particulary full? yes if you missed your intended train and had to catch the next one? yes
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Would the advantage be present if:
You were the only person (apart from the driver/pilot etc.) on the train/plane?yope You and your co-workers? yope You and a few strangers (i.e. not with co-workers)?yope You and a large number of strangers (still no co-workers)? yope
The aisles were wider? irrel
The seats larger? no
You had luggage? irrel no luggage? irrel
Short distance trip? long distance trip? the longer the trip, the biogger the advantage

Would the advantage be appreciated in the same way by a thinner person? N/A
Would the advantage increase if you were larger? no decrease as you got thinner? yes

Is the advantage obtained during the booking of seats? no allocating of seats to employees? no boarding the train/plane? no Moving through the aisles? a bit Taking you seat? see next answerWhilst seated? yetGetting out of your seat? no Exiting the train/plane? no
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Did you raise the armrest between two seats and sit in both of them? no

Did your employer pay for your plane/train tickets? yes Did they pay for you to have two seats, instead of just one? no
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emailed
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emailed I e-mailed a reply--you didn't solve the puzzle, I'm happy to say!!!!!!!
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Were you given seats with more leg room?
Anything to do with meals being served or in which order they were served?
Anything to do with viewing a film?
Being near the toilet?
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Your job: professor? writer? Something else?

Does the advantage increase the more people are present on the train/plane?
Did you receive a larger seat? Is where the seat is situated within the train/plane relevant?
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Were you given seats with more leg room?yope
Anything to do with meals being served or in which order they were served? no
Anything to do with viewing a film? no
Being near the toilet? no
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Your job: professor? yes writer? no Something else? no

Does the advantage increase the more people are present on the train/plane? no
Did you receive a larger seat? yesish Is where the seat is situated within the train/plane relevant? no
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Clarification to my previous question: if you were to bring whatever working materials you have during your own free time, so people on the train would think it is for work even though it isn't, (not just that you weren't working, but that you were trying to deceive those on the train into thinking you were) would you still have the same advantage? Or is this scenario even possible (i.e. could you bring working materials on the train during your own free time)?
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Did you get to sit in first class/business class/some other upgraded class?

Did you get a more expensive seat than you would have if you'd been thinner?
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Clarification to my previous question: if you were to bring whatever working materials you have during your own free time, so people on the train would think it is for work even though it isn't, (not just that you weren't working, but that you were trying to deceive those on the train into thinking you were) would you still have the same advantage? no Or is this scenario even possible (i.e. could you bring working materials on the train during your own free time)? I could, but that's irrel
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Did you get to sit in first class/business class/some other upgraded class? no

Did you get a more expensive seat than you would have if you'd been thinner? no
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Is the plane or Train's air conditioning relevant. Were you always given a nice cool seat under the air vent because people associate been overweight with excessive perspiration.

Any medical reasons? Is DVT relevant? Is there a belief out there that larger people are more susceptible? Or are they actually more likely to suffer it?
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Is the plane or Train's air conditioning relevant.no Were you always given a nice cool seat under the air vent because people associate been overweight with excessive perspiration. no

Any medical reasons? noishIs DVT relevant? no Is there a belief out there that larger people are more susceptible? Don't you mean fatter people rather than larger people? After all, a 6'2'' man weighing 180 pounds is large but not fat, & since i'm 5'1", I was large only horizontally. I hated euphemisms for 'fat' even when I was fat. Or are they actually more likely to suffer it? I don't know, but it's irrel
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I hated euphemisms for 'fat' even when I was fat. point taken no more PCisms from me. BTW you have cheered me up considerably as I am 6'1 and weigh about 182 so I guess I'm ok.

Was anything added to your seat to make you more comfortable e.g. a cushion. Anything to do with being able to recline your seat?
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I hated euphemisms for 'fat' even when I was fat. point taken no more PCisms from me. GREAT!! BTW you have cheered me up considerably as I am 6'1 and weigh about 182 so I guess I'm ok. I wouldn't expect that to be fat at all. I weighed 257!!

Was anything added to your seat to make you more comfortable e.g. a cushion. no Anything to do with being able to recline your seat? no
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Were you given seats with more leg room?yope
Did your seat have more leg room? but this is not the advantage we're trying to find?

Politeness relevant?

A physical advantage? conceptual?

Is your profession obvious when travelling for business? relevant?
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Were you given seats with more leg room?yope
Did your seat have more leg room? yes but this is not the advantage we're trying to find? yope!

Politeness relevant? no

A physical advantage? yes conceptual? no

Is your profession obvious when travelling for business? no relevant? no
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Were you given a seat that is actually designed for very tall people but also included added width - so you filled the width but had lots of extra leg room which you didn't fill up with leg? (BTW , as a formerly largish person myself it always amazed me that larger clothes sizes also had longer sleeves. If you are just overweight it's unlikely you will have extra long arms...)
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Were you given a seat that is actually designed for very tall people but also included added width - so you filled the width but had lots of extra leg room which you didn't fill up with leg? no (BTW , as a formerly largish person myself it always amazed me that larger clothes sizes also had longer sleeves. If you are just overweight it's unlikely you will have extra long arms...) I wasn't "large," I was FAT!!!!
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HINT: Many of you seem to be making a false assumption.
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Were you actually given choice of seats ahead of other people? Were you first or last to be seated in your group? is this relevant? Were any of your colleagues Fat as well? Is speed of disembarkation from the train relevant? Baggage reclaim?
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Were you actually given choice of seats ahead of other people?no Were you first or last to be seated in your group? no is this relevant? noWere any of your colleagues Fat as well? irrel Is speed of disembarkation from the train relevant? noBaggage reclaim? no
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did you choose your seat yourself? did the ticket office give you this advantage? or offer you it? could you have turned this advantage down? could you have sat in the same seat and not had the advantage?
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did you choose your seat yourself? irreldid the ticket office give you this advantage? ditto or offer you it? ditto could you have turned this advantage down?N/A could you have sat in the same seat and not had the advantage? no
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is the seat with more leg room in a relevant place? like by the emergency exit? relevant? or at the front of the plane/train? or back? relevant?
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is the seat with more leg room in a relevant place? yes like by the emergency exit? no. You have to be able & willing to perform various aeduous duties to get one of those seats relevant? yes, it's relevant where the seat is or at the front of the plane/train? irrel or back? irrelrelevant? it's relevant where the seat is, but you're ORT (on the wrong track) about it
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BLOOOOPERRRRALERTT!relevant? it's relevant where the seat is, but you're ORT (on the wrong track) about it Of course, I should have said 'OWT' for on the wrong track
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do you get a row to yourself? aisle seat? window seat?
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Classes of seats relevant? Do you get an upgrade because the bigger seats are in first class? Or because there's less people there so you get more room?
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do you get a row to yourself? no aisle seat? irrel window seat? irrel
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Classes of seats relevant? no Do you get an upgrade because the bigger seats are in first class? no Or because there's less people there so you get more room? no

You're still OWT (on the wrong track!!!!)
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Did your employee seat you on the train? while most of your colleagues were going by plane?
And you would have preferred traveling by train anyway?
Because on the train you could make phone calls, send e-mails, surf the web, ..?
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Did your employee seat you on the train? no while most of your colleagues were going by plane? yes
And you would have preferred traveling by train anyway? yes
Because on the train you could make phone calls, send e-mails, surf the web, ..? Also, I find train travel, with its nice scenery, just generally much pleasanter than plane travel. Anyway, I LOATHE plane travel
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So was the advantage you gained related to your dislike of plane travel? Did you get to take the train more often becuase you were fat? Did they simply send you on less trips, so you had to take planes less often? Or only send you on trips that could be reached by train?
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So was the advantage you gained related to your dislike of plane travel? yes Did you get to take the train more often becuase you were fat? YES!! Now all that's left is to figure out why, which should be a SNAPDid they simply send you on less trips, so you had to take planes less often? no Or only send you on trips that could be reached by train?Well, they didn't SEND me--these are trips to conferences & coilloquia where I give talks
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Was it your employers who decided whether you took the train or plane? Or you yourself?
Did they know you would be uncomfortable in the small seats? Did trains have more room? They would have had to pay more travel expenses to get you a bigger seat on a plane?
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Was it your employers who decided whether you took the train or plane?no Or you yourself? yes
Did they know you would be uncomfortable in the small seats?possiblyish Did trains have more room? yesThey would have had to pay more travel expenses to get you a bigger seat on a plane? no. You're ORT (on the right track) but remember I was VERY fat--about 2 1/2 times normal weight for my height
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Would you have taken up two seats if you were traveling by plane? Would they have had to purchase two tickets?

Would they also have to purchase two tickets if you were traveling by train? Or would a train allow you to only take up one seat? Would you be able to get a bigger seat on a train? Or are train tickets cheaper than plane tickets, so if they had to buy two tickets they would prefer them to be train tickets?
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Were the bathrooms on the planes too small for you? And therefore the larger bathrooms on trains made your trip more comfortable?
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Was the plane a smaller type plane such s a corporate jet or Cessena? B/C you were so fat would they have had to get a larger plane that was capable of carrying more weight?
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Just to clear this up a bit more;

Was your advantage due to your weight? size? both? a concept of you being fat (i.e. how other people saw you)?
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Were the bathrooms on the planes too small for you? yes, but they're not now so that's hardly an advantage of being fat over being normal size And therefore the larger bathrooms on trains made your trip more comfortable? see previous answer
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Was the plane a smaller type plane such s a corporate jet or Cessena? noB/C you were so fat would they have had to get a larger plane that was capable of carrying more weight? no
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Just to clear this up a bit more;

Was your advantage due to your weight?See next answer size? yes both? no a concept of you being fat (i.e. how other people saw you)? no
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Would you have taken up two seats if you were traveling by plane? Would they have had to purchase two tickets?

Would they also have to purchase two tickets if you were traveling by train?no Or would a train allow you to only take up one seat? see next answer Would you be able to get a bigger seat on a train? yes--train seats are much bigger Or are train tickets cheaper than plane tickets, so if they had to buy two tickets they would prefer them to be train tickets? no
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Because you went by train did it take you longer to travel than by plane? Was this an advantage to you as you had more time off from work, so to speak?
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Did you get paid more money for expenses or salary b/c of the longer travel time by train?
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Because you went by train did it take you longer to travel than by plane? yes Was this an advantage to you as you had more time off from work, so to speak? no
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Did you get paid more money for expenses or salary b/c of the longer travel time by train? no
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Hmm, let me try and clear up some of my confusion...
Because you were fat, you got to travel on trains rather than planes more often when you went on trips connected to your work, correct? And you prefer train journeys. So is this te advantage, or is there more?

However, it was you and not your employer who chose whether you went by train or plane, correct? Would this choice still have been available to you if you were thin? Would you have gone to different places had you been thin?
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Hmm, let me try and clear up some of my confusion...
Because you were fat, you got to travel on trains rather than planes more often when you went on trips connected to your work, correct?yes And you prefer train journeys. So is this te advantage, or is there more? This is the advantage, but you still need to figure out why losdiung weight made mde lose this advantage

However, it was you and not your employer who chose whether you went by train or plane, correct? yesish Would this choice still have been available to you if you were thin? noish Would you have gone to different places had you been thin? no
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(You didn't answer some of my questions)

Would you have taken up two seats if you were traveling by plane? Would they have had to purchase two tickets?

After you lost weight, would your employer still have been willing to pay for train tickets? Would your employer have preferred to have you travel by plane for some reason? Are train tickets more expensive than plane tickets, so that your employer would prefer to send you on a plane, but because you were fat you would have taken up two seats on a plane, so it would have been more expensive?
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(You didn't answer some of my questions)

Would you have taken up two seats if you were traveling by plane?yes Would they have had to purchase two tickets? I don't know wehat airlines' policy is about this. They probably didn't have a big enough seatbelt, either.They should have, of course.

After you lost weight, would your employer still have been willing to pay for train tickets? yesish Would your employer have preferred to have you travel by plane for some reason? yes--& the reason shpould be evident from something already mentioned Are train tickets more expensive than plane tickets no, so that your employer would prefer to send you on a plane, but because you were fat you would have taken up two seats on a plane, so it would have been more expensive? no
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(You didn't answer some of my questions)

Would you have taken up two seats if you were traveling by plane?yes Would they have had to purchase two tickets? I don't know wehat airlines' policy is about this. They probably didn't have a big enough seatbelt, either.They should have, of course.

After you lost weight, would your employer still have been willing to pay for train tickets? yesish Would your employer have preferred to have you travel by plane for some reason? yes--& the reason shpould be evident from something already mentioned Are train tickets more expensive than plane tickets no, so that your employer would prefer to send you on a plane, but because you were fat you would have taken up two seats on a plane, so it would have been more expensive? no
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When you lost weight, could you have still gone by train if you had really wanted to? Would you have had to pay the fare yourself, rather than your employer paying for it?

Is the reason for your getting to travel more by train simply because you wouldn't fit in an aeroplane seat? Or is there more? Is your employer's standard practice for employees to go by plane? Do they have a relevant reason for wanting employees to go by plane when possible, and so when you became able to go by plane they wanted you to do this?

Planes are more convenient? Faster? Go to more places? Can take more luggage?
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When you lost weight, could you have still gone by train if you had really wanted to? Yesish, but there would have been problemsWould you have had to pay the fare yourself, rather than your employer paying for it? no

Is the reason for your getting to travel more by train simply because you wouldn't fit in an aeroplane seat? yes Or is there more? no Is your employer's standard practice for employees to go by plane? yesish Do they have a relevant reason for wanting employees to go by plane when possible, and so when you became able to go by plane they wanted you to do this? yesish

Planes are more convenient?no Faster? yes Go to more places? irrelCan take more luggage? no

I think this is close enough for me to declare a
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I love train travel & loathe plane travel. Like most professors. I often have to give out-of-town talks, which cause me to miss some classes. Naturally, I'm supposed to miss as few classses as possible. When I was too fat to fit into an airline seat or use an airline seatbelt, I had a readymade justification for traveling by train. Once I lost weight, I could no longer justify taking several days rather than several hours to go from the east coast to California or Texas. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Enjay, & please direct your laser minds to my new puzzle at the bottom of the page as well as to my ongoing puzzles, which are being neglected (WHY??)
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Good puzzle. But I think your answer to my question about the train taking longer and therefore giving you time off from work did not deserve NO for an answer. I think I pretty much solved the puzzle. The NO threw me off the track (no pun). At least a YES or YESSISH would have helped.
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Good puzzle. But I think your answer to my question about the train taking longer and therefore giving you time off from work did not deserve NO for an answer. I think I pretty much solved the puzzle. The NO threw me off the track (no pun). At least a YES or YESSISH would have helped.SORRY- I SAID KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY REGARD THE TIME OFF FROM TEACHING AS AN ADVANTAGE.
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Good puzzle. But I think your answer to my question about the train taking longer and therefore giving you time off from work did not deserve NO for an answer. I think I pretty much solved the puzzle. The NO threw me off the track (no pun). At least a YES or YESSISH would have helped.SORRY- I SAID KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY REGARD THE TIME OFF FROM TEACHING AS AN ADVANTAGE.

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