| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3555 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's a scrund that does not involve mishearing or misunderstanding a word or phrase. For over 20 years, I had a really ridiculous belief about animals. Once I got disabused, I thought I must be the only person who had this preposterous belief for so long, but I've since discovered other people who've had the same sort of scrund. What is it?? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 238 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did it involve a particular species? Family or other group of species? All types of animals? Did it involve their intelligence? Abilities? Did you gain this belief in childhood? Was it due to a certain portrayal of animals? Like how animated/cartoon animals always look cute and can communicate? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3556 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 238 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 9:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did it involve a particular species?yes Family or other group of species? see previous answer All types of animals? no Did it involve their intelligence? no Abilities?noish or yope Did you gain this belief in childhood? yes Was it due to a certain portrayal of animals? no Like how animated/cartoon animals always look cute and can communicate? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 72 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the scrund have anything to do with the classification of that species relative to other species? In other words, did you think it was in the same family as some other animal, when in fact they are only distantly related, or not at all? | ||
| Kaori (Kaori)
New member Username: Kaori Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2008 |
Type of species = Mammal? Bird? Fish? reptile? amphibian? insect? sea creature? Did the belief relate to their behaviour? their diet? where they live? is their habitat relevant? is a certain physical feature relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3557 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 72 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 1:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the scrund have anything to do with the classification of that species relative to other species? no In other words, did you think it was in the same family as some other animal, when in fact they are only distantly related, or not at all? no New member Username: Kaori Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2008 Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 9:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Type of species = Mammal? no Bird? no Fish? yesreptile? no amphibian? no insect? no sea creature? see previous anwers in this list Did the belief relate to their behaviour? no their diet? no where they live? no is their habitat relevant? no is a certain physical feature relevant? yope | ||
| Kaori (Kaori)
New member Username: Kaori Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2008 |
Type of fish relevant? a river fish? does this apply to fish in general? Is water relevant? fish gender relevant? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 734 Registered: 7-2001 |
does this relate to captive fish? pet fish? wild fish? edible fish? does it relate to fins? teeth? eyes? scales? gills? mouth? tail? body? does it relate to sharks? is it relevant how you came by this misconception? was it from looking at a fish? seeing a picture of one? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3558 Registered: 8-2001 |
does this relate to captive fish? see next answer pet fish? yes wild fish? noedible fish? I suppose this typr of fish is edible but I know of no one who eats it does it relate to fins? not specifically teeth? dittoeyes?ditto scales?ditto gills?ditto mouth?ditto tail?ditto body? yesish does it relate to sharks? no is it relevant how you came by this misconception?yes was it from looking at a fish?yope seeing a picture of one? noKaori (Kaori) New member Username: Kaori Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2008 Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Type of fish relevant? yes a river fish? see below does this apply to fish in general? no Is water relevant? noish fish gender relevant? no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 243 Registered: 5-2003 |
Goldfish? If not, is it of a species commonly sold in pet stores (guppy, tetra, etc.) Does it involve how the fish is cared for? What it eats? Its habits? Its physical characteristics (like size)? Its intelligence? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3561 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 243 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 1:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Goldfish?yes If not, is it of a species commonly sold in pet stores (guppy, tetra, etc.) Does it involve how the fish is cared for? no What it eats? no Its habits? no Its physical characteristics yesish (like size) not size? Its intelligence? no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 246 Registered: 5-2003 |
Its color? Shape? Growth? Eggs? Are carp relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3564 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 246 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 8:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Its color? no Shape? no Growth? no Eggs? no Are carp relevant? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 81 Registered: 6-2008 |
Would you have immediately noticed the incorrectness of your belief after a brief, but close-up look at a goldfish? After watching it swim for a few minutes? Could you have the same mistaken belief about any type of fish? About any fish with approximately the same shape as a goldfish? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3565 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 81 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 3:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would you have immediately noticed the incorrectness of your belief after a brief, but close-up look at a goldfish? no After watching it swim for a few minutes? no Could you have the same mistaken belief about any type of fish? no About any fish with approximately the same shape as a goldfish? Shape is irrel & I don't know enough about different species of fish to know if all approximately goldfish-shaped fish have the characteristic that's crucial for this puzzle. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1234 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the idea of goldfish having very short memory spans relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3568 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1234 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the idea of goldfish having very short memory spans relevant? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the characteristic something internal (inside the body of the fish)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3569 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 5:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the characteristic something internal (inside the body of the fish)?no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2008 |
Since we know the characteristic is physical (not behavioral), not internal, but cannot be noticed when looking at the fish close up... Could you observe it by touching the fish? By listening to it? By smelling it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3570 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 8:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Since we know the characteristic is physical (not behavioral), not internal, but cannot be noticed when looking at the fish close up... Could you observe it by touching the fish? no By listening to it? no By smelling it? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 85 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the relevant characteristic observable at all? Is it purely conceptual (i.e. regarding the word used to describe something, rather than the thing itself)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3571 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 85 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 9:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the relevant characteristic observable at all? yes Is it purely conceptual (i.e. regarding the word used to describe something, rather than the thing itself)? no BLOOOPERRRRALERTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!! Is the characteristic something internal (inside the body of the fish)?no The answer should be yesish Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 9:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 8:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Since we know the characteristic is physical (not behavioral), not internal, but cannot be noticed when looking at the fish close up... Could you observe it by touching the fish? no By listening to it? no By smelling it? no the first & last answers should be yope | ||
| Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
New member Username: Unleashedllama Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2008 |
Is it anything to do with gills? How fish resparate in general? Anything to do with what they eat? How they eat? How they're kept? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3577 Registered: 8-2001 |
Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama) New member Username: Unleashedllama Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2008 Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 8:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it anything to do with gills? no How fish resparate in general? no Anything to do with what they eat? no How they eat? no How they're kept? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does it have anything to do with weight? With bones? muscles? Anything else to do with how the fish propels itself? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3580 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 12:08 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have anything to do with weight?no With bones? nomuscles? no Anything else to do with how the fish propels itself? no | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1311 Registered: 1-2007 |
Anything to do with a fish's senses? sight? hearing? smell? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 446 Registered: 6-2003 |
Anything to do with the color of the fish? Would it be possible to see or observe the relevant characteristic with bare eyes? Would the relevant characteristic mean that, under some circumstances, something with the fish is happening? or something would change? Maybe you thought goldfish were able to change their color? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2431 Registered: 2-2001 |
That they were made of gold? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3592 Registered: 8-2001 |
Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1311 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 3:31 pm: Anything to do with a fish's senses? noishsight? noishhearing? noish smell? noish Sundowner (Sundowner) New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 446 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 8:02 pm: Anything to do with the color of the fish? no Would it be possible to see or observe the relevant characteristic with bare eyes? yes Would the relevant characteristic mean that, under some circumstances, something with the fish is happening? yesish or something would change? noish Maybe you thought goldfish were able to change their color? no Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2431 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 3:37 pm: That they were made of gold? no | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2007 |
Fish fingers? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3595 Registered: 8-2001 |
Deathateaster (Deathateaster) New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 4:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Fish fingers? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3599 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Think of some basic facts about goldfish. | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1365 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does this have to do with a goldfish's trait to grow to fit its environment? Did you think all goldfish were tiny? Until you saw one that was larger than a salmon? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3604 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1365 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 5:27 pm: Does this have to do with a goldfish's trait to grow to fit its environment? no Did you think all goldfish were tiny? Well, this is ANOTHER scrund, this information is news to me Until you saw one that was larger than a salmon? No. See previous answer--I've never seen such a goldfish | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1393 Registered: 3-2006 |
Anything to do with the memory of a goldfish? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3609 Registered: 8-2001 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1393 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 10:07 pm: Anything to do with the memory of a goldfish? no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 258 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmm, basic facts... any of these relevant? - They're gold/orange (except for the humongous carp that live in ponds) - They're very small (again, except for carp) - They are common, inexpensive pets - They are commonly a child's first pet - They are commonly sold in plastic bags - They are (stereotypically) kept in fish bowls - They die quickly and are commonly flushed down the toilet afterwards - They are sometimes swallowed live by strange people You didn't believe they were actually made of gold, did you? Or ate it, or had some other relationship to the actual element? Does the fact relate to: - scientific facts about goldfish? - goldfish care? - commonly-held stereotypes of goldfish (like some of those listed above)? Did you keep your own goldfish, or know someone who kept one? If not, and you had kept or seen a goldfish, would the scrund have occurred or been corrected? Is a pet store relevant at all? This doesn't have anything to do with the Pepperidge Farm Goldfish snack crackers, does it? (mmmm, Parmesan!) I have to admit I'm stumped. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 259 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmm, basic facts... any of these relevant? - They're gold/orange (except for the humongous carp that live in ponds) - They're very small (again, except for carp) - They are common, inexpensive pets - They are commonly a child's first pet - They are commonly sold in plastic bags - They are (stereotypically) kept in fish bowls - They die quickly and are commonly flushed down the toilet afterwards - They are sometimes swallowed live by strange people You didn't believe they were actually made of gold, did you? Or ate it, or had some other relationship to the actual element? Does the fact relate to: - scientific facts about goldfish? - goldfish care? - commonly-held stereotypes of goldfish (like some of those listed above)? Did you keep your own goldfish, or know someone who kept one? If not, and you had kept or seen a goldfish, would the scrund have occurred or been corrected? Is a pet store relevant at all? This doesn't have anything to do with the Pepperidge Farm Goldfish snack crackers, does it? (mmmm, Parmesan!) I have to admit I'm stumped. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3610 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 258 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 1:45 am: Hmm, basic facts... any of these relevant? - They're gold/orange (except for the humongous carp that live in ponds) no - They're very small (again, except for carp) no - They are common, inexpensive pets yope - They are commonly a child's first pet yope - They are commonly sold in plastic bags no - They are (stereotypically) kept in fish bowls no - They die quickly and are commonly flushed down the toilet afterwards - They are sometimes swallowed live by strange people no You didn't believe they were actually made of gold, did you? noOr ate it, or had some other relationship to the actual element? no Does the fact relate to: - scientific facts about goldfish? yope or yesish - goldfish care? no - commonly-held stereotypes of goldfish (like some of those listed above)? no Did you keep your own goldfish, yes or know someone who kept one no one else? If not, and you had kept or seen a goldfish, would the scrund have occurred or been corrected? N/A Is a pet store relevant at all? no This doesn't have anything to do with the Pepperidge Farm Goldfish snack crackers, does it? (mmmm, Parmesan!) no I have to admit I'm stumped. Here's a HINT: my parents are relevant | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3611 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's an item I overlooked from the previous question about whether any goldfish facts on a list were relevant They die quickly yesand are commonly flushed down the toilet afterwards yope | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 261 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did your goldfish die when you weren't there, your parents hastily replaced it before you got home, you never noticed, they did this repeatedly, and you got the impression that goldfish are very long-lived? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 3613 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 261 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 6:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did your goldfish die when you weren't there, your parents hastily replaced it before you got home, you never noticed, they did this repeatedly, and you got the impression that goldfish are very long-lived? YES!!! ***** SPOILER ************** My mother used to br allergic to feathers & fur (a real disaster for a cat-lover like me). So my family had to make do with turtles (which are surprisingly good company) & goldfish (which are not). As Jenburdoo guessed, my parents managed to find & replace "Goldie" each time our goldfish died; so I though goldfish lived to be about 8. This happened when I was 4-12, but the subject never came up for about 20 years, when mother corrected my offhand remark about Goldie's longevity.Of course, she had assumed I had long since figured it out, or that my father had long since told me. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Jenburoo, & please check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 148 Registered: 2-2008 |
I believed a similar scrund; when my neighbor's cat died in my youth, my parents told me they had taken it to a farm where it could run around free. I believed for entirely too long that there were cat and even dog farms: no one harvested anything from the hypothetical animals, they just ran around in the fields.} |
