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Bob went to prison because his girlfriend decided to leave town two weeks before Christmas, although she was not involved in the crime, nor was she needed as a witness or as a corroberator of an alibi. How come??
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Did she actually leave the town? or just take the decision and abandon it later?
Was Bob involved in the crime? as culprit? as witness? as victim?
Was there a crime at all?
Did the crime happen before Christmas? on Christmas? after Christmas? before the girl left the town? way before the girlfriend left the town?
Did the girlfriend know about the crime? Did Bob?
Did the girlfriend know that Bob went to prison? Did she want this?
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Bob = Adult? human? male?
Girlfriend ( can we call her Melinda?)= Adult Human? Female?
Is a Specific date in December relevant?
Why she left town relevant?
Did they live together?
Did she go on holiday? permenantly?
Is anyone else involved in the story?
Crime = murder? theft? arson? purgery?
Was Bob innocent?
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If Bob's girlfriend had not left town when she did, would the crime still have been committed (assuming there was a crime)? Would Bob have been suspected? Would he have been arrested? tried? convicted?
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Were Bob and his girlfriend living together? If not, in the same town? If not, was she leaving the town in which Bob lived, or leaving her own town and coming to visit him? Was Bob in the town?

Was their relationship in jeopardy?

Is Christmas relevant, or could this have been two weeks before another holiday? Vacation relevant? Is the specific town or its location relevant?

Was the crime a misdemeanor or a felony?
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Did she actually leave the town?irrel or just take the decision and abandon it later? ditto
Was Bob involved in the crime? yes as culprit? yes as witness? no as victim? no
Was there a crime at all? yes
Did the crime happen before Christmas? yes on Christmas? no after Christmas? no before the girl left the town? yes way before the girlfriend left the town? no
Did the girlfriend know about the crime? yopeDid Bob? yes
Did the girlfriend know that Bob went to prison? yes Did she want this? irrel
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Bob = Adult? yes human? yes male? yes
Girlfriend ( can we call her Melinda?)This puzzle is based on a short story (not by me) & the girlfriend's name is Marge so let's call her that Adult yes Human? yes Female? yes
Is a Specific date in December relevant? Well, just Christmas
Why she left town relevant? noish
Did they live together? no
Did she go on holiday? permenantly? no
Is anyone else involved in the story? yes
Crime = murder? yes theft? no arson? no purgery? no
Was Bob innocent? no
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If Bob's girlfriend had not left town when she did, would the crime still have been committed (assuming there was a crime)? yes Would Bob have been suspected? yes Would he have been arrested? probably not tried? ditto convicted? ditto
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Were Bob and his girlfriend living together? no If not, in the same town? yesIf not, was she leaving the town in which Bob lived, or leaving her own town and coming to visit him? Was Bob in the town? yes

Was their relationship in jeopardy? yope

Is Christmas relevant, or could this have been two weeks before another holiday? Christmas is relevanmt Vacation relevant? yes--Marge was going on vacationIs the specific town or its location relevant? no

Was the crime a misdemeanor or a felony? the latter
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Did Marge know about the crime but didn't know bob did it? or did Marge not know about the crime but knew Bob had been involved with something?

Did Marge know the victim? Did she do something to trigger Bob's arrest? on purpose? or inadvertantly?

How the victim was murdered relevant? shot? poisioned? beaten? stabbed? strangled? suffocated? other? Did Bob know his victim? were they friends?

Is the country in which this took place relevant?
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Was Marge the victim? (just in case .. ;)
Was the victim a relative of Marge? a friend of Marge? a relative of Bob? a friend of Bob? known to Bob at all? a complete stranger to both?
Is the victim female? adult?
Did Bob plan quite a while in advance to kill this person?
Did he expect to gain something? financially? or want to "get rid of somebody"? revenge involved?
Would Marge have gained in some way from the murder?
Relevant where Marge wanted to travel?
Did she know about the murder when she decided to go?
Was she aware that Bob might be involved?
Did she have trouble with the police herself? so the cops started to dig into her private relationships? and, eventually, found how to link the murder to Bob?
Did Bob and Marge in the beginning plan to go on vacation together? But later for some reason Marge decided to spent the vacation without Bob?
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Did the crime take place before Marge decided to leave town?
Is it relevant when Marge planned to return to town? If so: before Christmas? on Christmas? after Christmas?
Did Marge plan to go on vacation by herself? with Bob? with family? with friends? with someone else?

Turning Sundowner's suggestion on its head: Did Bob originally plan to go on vacation by himself? But later for some reason Marge decided to go on vacation with him?
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Did Marge work in law enforcement? District attorney? Was Marge involved in any form of judicial system?
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Did Marge know about the crime but didn't know bob did it? irrel whether she jnew about the croime, but she certainly did not know that Bob did it or did Marge not know about the crime but knew Bob had been involved with something?no, she did not suspect Bob of anything illegal

Did Marge know the victim?irrel Did she do something to trigger Bob's arrest?yes on purpose? no or inadvertantly? yes

How the victim was murdered relevant? some methods are precluded shot? possibly poisioned? ditto beaten? ditto stabbed? ditto strangled? ditto suffocated? dittoother? ditto Did Bob know his victim? yeswere they friends? no

Is the country in which this took place relevant?probably. The Us, where the story is set, is certainly possible, as are many other countries (probably ,most if not all of Western Europe, as well as New Zealand, Australia, Israel. . .
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Was Marge the victim? (just in case .. ;) no
Was the victim a relative of Marge? no a friend of Marge? no a relative of Bob? no a friend of Bob? no known to Bob at all? yes a complete stranger to both? no
Is the victim female? irrel adult? yes
Did Bob plan quite a while in advance to kill this person? no
Did he expect to gain something?noish financially? no or want to "get rid of somebody"? no revenge involved? no
Would Marge have gained in some way from the murder? no
Relevant where Marge wanted to travel? no
Did she know about the murder when she decided to go? irrel
Was she aware that Bob might be involved? no
Did she have trouble with the police herself? noso the cops started to dig into her private relationships? no and, eventually, found how to link the murder to Bob? no
Did Bob and Marge in the beginning plan to go on vacation together? no But later for some reason Marge decided to spent the vacation without Bob? no
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Did the crime take place before Marge decided to leave town? irrel
Is it relevant when Marge planned to return to town? yesIf so: before Christmas? no on Christmas? no after Christmas? yes
Did Marge plan to go on vacation by herself?no with Bob? no with family? yesish with friends? no with someone else? no

Turning Sundowner's suggestion on its head: Did Bob originally plan to go on vacation by himself? no But later for some reason Marge decided to go on vacation with him? no
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Did Marge work in law enforcement? no District attorney? no Was Marge involved in any form of judicial system? no
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So this would work in the US and most of Western Europe, but not in some other countries: would it work in China? In North Korea? In Iran? If "no" to any of these, is this because of: voting rights? women's rights? some relevant technology? transport or infrastructure of the country? democratic constitution of the country? whether or not Christmas is celebrated there?

Did he kill more than one person? Was he a war criminal? Was he a Christian? Did he celebrate Christmas? Did Marge celebrate Christmas? Would the entire puzzle work equally well for Easter?
Eid? Yom Kippur?

Did Marge leave town specifically on 11 December? Or would any date at roughly that period do just as well? Was she planning to return before the new year? Or after the new year? Is it relevant that Christmas falls one week before New Year's Day? Is the weather relevant at all? Are Christmas gifts relevant? Christmas cards? Decorations?
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So this would work in the US and most of Western Europe, but not in some other countries: would it work in China? I doubt it but am not really sure In North Korea? ditto In Iran? ditto If "no" to any of these, is this because of: voting rights? no women's rights? no some relevant technology? no transport or infrastructure of the country? no democratic constitution of the country? yope whether or not Christmas is celebrated there? noish

Did he kill more than one person? no Was he a war criminal? no Was he a Christian? irrelDid he celebrate Christmas? yesish Did Marge celebrate Christmas? dittoWould the entire puzzle work equally well for Easter? no
Eid?I've never heard of Eid! Yom Kippur? no

Did Marge leave town specifically on 11 December? irrel Or would any date at roughly that period do just as well? yes Was she planning to return before the new year? possibly Or after the new year? ditto Is it relevant that Christmas falls one week before New Year's Day? no Is the weather relevant at all? no Are Christmas gifts relevant? yes Christmas cards? no Decorations? no
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Was Bob intending to give Marge a gift? Did he? relevant?

same for Marge to Bob?

Did the murder victim send a relevant gift? receive one?
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Was Bob intending to give Marge a gift? yes Did he? yes relevant? yes

same for Marge to Bob? Again, yes to all 3

Did the murder victim send a relevant gift? no receive one? no
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Was the early exchanging of gifts (assuming I'm not making a FA) the only consequence of her early departure that led to his arrest? If the two of them had given each other Christmas gifts two weeks early for another arbitrary reason, would this puzzle still work?
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Was the early exchanging of gifts (assuming I'm not making a FA) the only consequence of her early departure that led to his arrest?yes If the two of them had given each other Christmas gifts two weeks early for another arbitrary reason, would this puzzle still work? yesish
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Was the gift Bob gave to Marge taken from the murder victim? Was Bob's gift intended to give him an alibi? or to cover his tracks?

Is the victims occupation relevant?
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Type of gifts given to each other relevant? the receipts for the gifts? (presuming they were bought) Did either of the gifts involve some sort of travel? or a specific date? i.e. theatre tickets? Was Bob's gift from Marge present at the time of the killing?

did Bob kill his victim intentionally? or could it be considered manslaughter, with attempt to harm rather than kill?
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Did Bob have the present he received from Marge in the vicinity at the time of the killing? or the present he later gave Marge?
in either of the cases: did the present provide an evidence that Bob was involved in the killing?
Did Bob receive the present from Marge before the killing? Did Marge?
Did they exchange the presents at the same time? if not: Did Bob receive the present first?
Relevant how they exchanged the presents? Did Marge hand over the present to Bob? Did she leave it in some place from where Bob picked it up? Did she send it by mail? Same questions for Bob?
Was the idea that Bob and/or Marge should not receive or open the present before Christmas? Did they open it before Christmas?
Did Bob plan to kill this person only after opening the present? after receiving the present?
Did Marge plan to spent the vacation with her parents? Relevant?
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Was the gift Bob gave to Marge taken from the murder victim? no Was Bob's gift intended to give him an alibi?no or to cover his tracks? yes

Is the victims occupation relevant? no
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Type of gifts given to each other relevant? yes the receipts for the gifts? no (presuming they were bought) Did either of the gifts involve some sort of travel? no or a specific date? i.e. theatre tickets? no Was Bob's gift from Marge present at the time of the killing? no

did Bob kill his victim intentionally? yes or could it be considered manslaughter, with attempt to harm rather than kill? no
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Did Bob have the present he received from Marge in the vicinity at the time of the killing? no or the present he later gave Marge? no
in either of the cases: did the present provide an evidence that Bob was involved in the killing?Marge's present to Bob did not but Bob's present to Marge did
Did Bob receive the present from Marge before the killing? no Did Marge? no
Did they exchange the presents at the same time? see nrxt answerif not: Did Bob receive the present first? slightly earlier
Relevant how they exchanged the presents?
yes Did Marge hand over the present to Bob? yes Did she leave it in some place from where Bob picked it up? no Did she send it by mail? noSame questions for Bob? Same answers
Was the idea that Bob and/or Marge should not receive or open the present before Christmas? yes for Bob's present to Marge Did they open it before Christmas?Whether he did is irrel. She opened hers before Christmas
Did Bob plan to kill this person only after opening the present? no after receiving the present? no
Did Marge plan to spent the vacation with her parents? in the story this is based on, yes Relevant? no
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The victim's identity is irrelevant?
Bob's motive irrelevant?
Did Bob leave something at the scene of relevance? take something from the scene of relevance? perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance?
Did the victim know something Bob did not want them to know?
Did Bob murder in an attempt to cover himself regarding another crime?

Did Marge leave town after recieving Bob's present?
Was her decision to leave town a consequence of her opening the present early?
Had Marge decided to leave town before the presents were exchanged?
Marge's present to Bob irrelevant?
Was there something that triggered Marge to open the present early (other than curiosity)?
Did Marge leave town to escape Bob? to seek safety/security? in an attempt to help Bob?
Did Marge take/use the present Bob gave her when she left town? Iff so: take? use?
If Marge had left town but not opened the present would Bob have been arrested?
If Marge had not returned after Christmas would Bob have been arrested?
If Bob went and found Marge could he have prevented his arrest?
If Bob went and found his gift to Marge could he have prevented his arrest?

If Marge had stayed, Bob would have not been arrested due to lack of evidence? presence of supposed evidence to the contrary? evidence that establishes reasonable doubt?

Was the point at which all hope for Bob lost when Marge opened the present? decided to vacation with her parents? decided to return after christmas? when/if Marge left for her vacation? when/if Marge returned from her vacation? before christmas? At christmas? after christmas? at an arbitrary time during Marge's vacation period?
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The victim's identity is irrelevant? yes
Bob's motive irrelevant? yes
Did Bob leave something at the scene of relevance? no take something from the scene of relevance? yes perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance? yes
Did the victim know something Bob did not want them to know? irrel
Did Bob murder in an attempt to cover himself regarding another crime? irrel

Did Marge leave town after recieving Bob's present? unlikely
Was her decision to leave town a consequence of her opening the present early? no
Had Marge decided to leave town before the presents were exchanged? yes
Marge's present to Bob irrelevant? yope
Was there something that triggered Marge to open the present early (other than curiosity)?
Did Marge leave town to escape Bob? no to seek safety/security? no in an attempt to help Bob? no
Did Marge take/use the present Bob gave her when she left town? noIff so: take? use?
If Marge had left town but not opened the present would Bob have been arrested?
If Marge had not returned after Christmas would Bob have been arrested? yes
If Bob went and found Marge could he have prevented his arrest? yope
If Bob went and found his gift to Marge could he have prevented his arrest? yope

If Marge had stayed, Bob would have not been arrested due to lack of evidence?yesish presence of supposed evidence to the contrary? no evidence that establishes reasonable doubt? no

Was the point at which all hope for Bob lost when Marge opened the present? yesdecided to vacation with her parents? nodecided to return after christmas? nowhen/if Marge left for her vacation? when/if Marge returned from her vacation? nobefore christmas? yes At christmas? noafter christmas? no at an arbitrary time during Marge's vacation period? no
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Did Marge need to do anything other than open the present in order for Bob to get arrested? (for example, tell someone about the gift, be seen using it, etc.)
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Was Bob trying to incriminate his own girlfriend by giving her the present? Had the present been touched in any way by the victim? Was the present some kind of timepiece? Would she have been a suspect if the gifts had been exchanged earlier?
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Did Marge need to do anything other than open the present in order for Bob to get arrested? no (for example, tell someone about the gift, be seen using it, etc.)
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Was Bob trying to incriminate his own girlfriend by giving her the present? no Had the present been touched in any way by the victim? yes Was the present some kind of timepiece? no Would she have been a suspect if the gifts had been exchanged earlier? possibly
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HINT: A REALLY OBVIOUS question is being overlooked. (How come??)
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Were fingerprints relevant?
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Was the present a camera?
Was the present larger than a matchbox?
Larger than a bread box?
larger than a bed?
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Were fingerprints relevant?
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Was the present a camera? no
Was the present larger than a matchbox?yes
Larger than a bread box? not longer, but higher & wider
larger than a bed? no
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Was the present some type of communication device (cell phone, 2-way radio, etc.)? Did it make a noise? Were there any members of the police/local government present when she opened it?

(I'm trying to get at how someone simply opening a present could signal to someone else that a crime had been committed)
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Was the present to Marge animal? vegetable? mineral?
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Are the Simpsons relevant? Sideshow Bob?

Is the Really Obvious Question simply a matter of finding out what the present is?

If Marge had stayed at home, would she have been suspected of the crime?

Was the present once the property of the victim?

Are fingerprints relevant? DNA?
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Was the present some type of communication device (cell phone, 2-way radio, etc.)? no Did it make a noise? noWere there any members of the police/local government present when she opened it? The police

(I'm trying to get at how someone simply opening a present could signal to someone else that a crime had been committed)
Kaori (Kaori) That's precisely what you should be trying to figure out. Happy figuring!!
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Was the present to Marge animal? vegetable? mineral?
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Are the Simpsons relevant? Sideshow Bob?

Is the Really Obvious Question simply a matter of finding out what the present is? Yes

If Marge had stayed at home, would she have been suspected of the crime? no

Was the present once the property of the victim? yope

Are fingerprints relevant? no DNA? no
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Was the present to Marge animal? vegetable? mineral?
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Was the present to Marge animal? yes vegetable? no mineral? no
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A parrot?
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A parrot? no
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Type of animal relevant? if so..A dog? cat? is electronic tagging relevant? was the animal legal in the country? did Marge want the animal? did it escape? did she give it away? did she like the animal? did it harm her in anyway? did it harm Bob? harm the victim? Was the animal diseased?
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Is the present a portion or even all of the body of the victim ?
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Is the present a portion or even all of the body of the victim ?
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Is the present a portion or even all of the body of the victim ?
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Type of animal relevant? yes if so..A dog? nocat? nois electronic tagging relevant? nowas the animal legal in the country? yesdid Marge want the animal? did it escape? no did she give it away? no did she like the animal? irreldid it harm her in anyway? nodid it harm Bob? no harm the victim? no Was the animal diseased? yes
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Is the present a portion or even all no of the body of the victim yes? So now all you need to do is figure out why on earth he would give her this & just how it led to his conviction


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Is the present a portion or even all of the body of the victim ?yes--a part
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Was Marge aware that there were police nearby when she opened the present? Were they there to watch her specifically, because of suspicion, or was their presence simply a coincidence?

Is the reason she opened the present in public (as opposed to just in front of Bob or a friend) relevant? or does it simply matter that this happened?
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Apolgies for the multiple posting. I don't know what happened but I did not press "submit" more than once.
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This puzzle just got a whole lot more sinister. :-)

Was it a lock of hair? Was Marge having an affair with the victim? Did Bob try to make Marge think that the present was from the victim? Did she, in fact, think that the present was from the victim? Was Marge the (intended) recipient of an organ transplant?
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Was Marge aware that there were police nearby when she opened the present? yes Were they there to watch her specifically no, because of suspicion yes, or was their presence simply a coincidence no?

Is the reason she opened the present in public (as opposed to just in front of Bob or a friend) relevant? yes or does it simply matter that this happened? see previous answer
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Apolgies for the multiple posting. I don't know what happened but I did not press "submit" more than once. Man was never formed that all times might attain, but sometime he was put to the worse by malfortune.
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This puzzle just got a whole lot more sinister. :-). . .and will get even more so!!

Was it a lock of hair? noWas Marge having an affair with the victim? noDid Bob try to make Marge think that the present was from the victim? noDid she, in fact, think that the present was from the victim? noWas Marge the (intended) recipient of an organ transplant? no
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So I take it that Marge didn't think the present would be anything sinister, if she was willing to open the present with the police watching? or else, had she been arrested and was forced to open the gift so the police could search it?
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So I take it that Marge didn't think the present would be anything sinister She didn't expedct anything sinister, if she was willing to open the present with the police watching? or else, had she been arrested and was forced to open the gift so the police could search it? She had not been arrested, but the police made her open the package.
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Relevant why the police made her to open the package? Did she go through a security gate? (and curiousness made her carry the package in the cabin luggage ..?)
Just a guess: is the present the victim's skull?
if not: does the present contain bones? flesh? hair? nails? blood? skin? other parts of the body?
Did Bob expect nobody would see a link between the victim and the present? (as he did not want to incriminate Marge, and I think we can assume that he didn't want to incriminate himself either)
Did Bob make the part of the victim's body that he took apart look like something completely different?
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Relevant why the police made her to open the package? yes Did she go through a security gate? no (and curiousness made her carry the package in the cabin luggage ..? no)
Just a guess: is the present the victim's skull? yes, well, head actually
if not: does the present contain bones? see previous answer flesh? ditto hair? ditto nails? dittoblood? mitto skin? ditto other parts of the body? ditto
Did Bob expect nobody would see a link between the victim and the present? yope(as he did not want to incriminate Marge That's correct, and I think we can assume that he didn't want to incriminate himself either So is that)
Did Bob make the part of the victim's body that he took apart look like something completely different? no
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Was the head wrapped in the package in a way that it was obvious to Marge that it is a dead man's head? the head of somebody who was killed just recently? that Bob was the murderer?
Did Bob expect that Marge, nevertheless, would not tell the police about the head? if so, relevant why?
Did he think the head would frighten Marge to death?
(and he would get her life insurance..?)
Was this Bob's way to say Marge that their relationship is over?

Back to the initial statement: if Marge had not decided to spent Christmas with her parents, Bob would not have gone to prison?
Because he would not have committed the crime at all?
Because he would not have put the head into Marge's present?
Because Marge would not have opened it before the police?
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OK, a quick recap? She sets off on holiday with a severed head in a festively-wrapped box, given to her by her delightful boyfriend, yes? And it doesn't really matter, for the purposes of the puzz, whose head it is? And she has no idea it's a head until she opens it?

Now, if she had waited until Christmas Day to open the charming gift, Bob would have somehow got away with the murder: is that right?

Was Bob planning to be with her on Christmas Day? Was he planning to kill her as well? Did Bob know that he had presented her with the head? Or did he get his packages switched? Did he wrap the head himself? Is any other body part relevant?

Was he hoping that the head would have decomposed by the time Christmas Day came along? Are dental records relevant?

Was the head under a Christmas tree? Did she help herself to the head from a selection of similar packages? Or did he present her with it? Was he using her as a means of disposing of the evidence?

So his plan was that she would open the gift on 25 December, yes? And that he would not be charged with the murder for some reason? Perhaps because she would suspect someone else? Or, more prosaically, that he was planning to leave the country himself, leaving the body gift-wrapped in different sections for his friends and family?

Was the head wearing a Santa hat?
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Was the head wrapped in the package in a way that it was obvious to Marge that it is a dead man's head?not until she oprned the package the head of somebody who was killed just recently?{possibly} that Bob was the murderer? yope
Did Bob expect that Marge, nevertheless, would not tell the police about the head?yope if so, relevant why? yes
Did he think the head would frighten Marge to death? no
(and he would get her life insurance..? no)
Was this Bob's way to say Marge that their relationship is over? No--but that would be quitye a way of "ending it"!!

Back to the initial statement: if Marge had not decided to spent Christmas with her parents, Bob would not have gone to prison? yes
Because he would not have committed the crime at all? no
Because he would not have put the head into Marge's present?yes
Because Marge would not have opened it before the police?see previous answer
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OK, a quick recap? She sets off on holiday with a severed head in a festively-wrapped box, given to her by her delightful boyfriend, yes? no And it doesn't really matter, for the purposes of the puzz, whose head it is? yes And she has no idea it's a head until she opens it? yes

Now, if she had waited until Christmas Day to open the charming gift, Bob would have somehow got away with the murder: is that right? false assumption

Was Bob planning to be with her on Christmas Day?irrel Was he planning to kill her as well? noDid Bob know that he had presented her with the head? yesOr did he get his packages switched? no--that would be quite a blooper, definitely calling for a BLLOOOOOOOOPERRRRRALERTTTTTTT!!! Did he wrap the head himself? yesIs any other body part relevant?yope

Was he hoping that the head would have decomposed by the time Christmas Day came along? no Are dental records relevant? no

Was the head under a Christmas tree? no Did she help herself to the head from a selection of similar packages? noOr did he present her with it? yes Was he using her as a means of disposing of the evidence? yesish or yope

So his plan was that she would open the gift on 25 December, yes? no And that he would not be charged with the murder for some reason?N/A Perhaps because she would suspect someone else? no Or, more prosaically, that he was planning to leave the country himself, leaving the body gift-wrapped in different sections for his friends and family? no

Was the head wearing a Santa hat?no
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So the main reason why he put the head into the present was to remove it from the victim? from the location of the crime?
Did he have a reason to assume that the police will suspect him when the victim is found still with head? but not when the victim is found without head?
Did he shot the victim in the head? and the bullet was still in the head?
Was there something else in the package besides the head?
Did the victim have an obvious medical condition related to the head? (like: an eye was missing)
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Was there any terrorist story going on?
Did the victim have a disease? an infectious disease?
Was Bob's intention to spread the disease?
Was he not so much afraid about incriminating himself because he expected to die very soon?
If Marge not traveled to her parents, would Bob have disposed of the head in some other way?
or, maybe, the idea was not to get rid of the head, but to transport it to some particular place? or something that was attached or inside the head? (and if not, please admit that this was at least a good thought ..)
Relevant to which place Marge planned to travel? what means of transport she planned to use?
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So the main reason why he put the head into the present was to remove it from the victim?no. The head was already removed before he put it in the present! from the location of the crime? no
Did he have a reason to assume that the police will suspect him when the victim is found still with head? no but not when the victim is found without head? no
Did he shot the victim in the head? no and the bullet was still in the head? no
Was there something else in the package besides the head? no
Did the victim have an obvious medical condition related to the head? no(like: an eye was missing)
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Was there any terrorist story going on? no
Did the victim have a disease? no an infectious disease?no
Was Bob's intention to spread the disease? no
Was he not so much afraid about incriminating himself because he expected to die very soon? no
If Marge not traveled to her parents, would Bob have disposed of the head in some other way?yope
or, maybe, the idea was not to get rid of the head, but to transport it to some particular place? no or something that was attached or inside the head? no (and if not, please admit that this was at least a good thought .. I'm happy to admit this)
Relevant to which place Marge planned to travel? no what means of transport she planned to use? no
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As for how the police could make Marge open the present:

Was she boarding some form of transportation? crossing a border? entering a building (e.g. government office) where all possessions are subject to search?

As for the head:

Did Bob expect that Marge would open the package? that she would ever see the head at all? that she would see it and think it was fake (i.e. not from a human)?
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As for how the police could make Marge open the present:

Was she boarding some form of transportation? nocrossing a border? no entering a building (e.g. government office) where all possessions are subject to search? no

As for the head:

Did Bob expect that Marge would open the package? no that she would ever see the head at all? b{ no}that she would see it and think it was fake (i.e. not from a human)? no
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Did Bob expect Marge would never open the package? Did she say so before? Did she not open one of Bob's present at a previous occasion?
Did Bob expect she would throw it away? forget it? give it to somebody else?
Did Marge actually forget the package in some place? or throw it away? and somebody found it and brought it to the "lost & found" office?
Is there something about Marge we still have to find out?
Did Bob have any other reason to put the head in the package than just getting rid of it?
Did Bob separate the head from the victim's body?
Was the victim already dead when this was done?
Was the victim's body separated into more than two parts?
Did Bob dispose of the other body part(s) in a similar way?
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Did Bob expect Marge would never open the package? yes Did she say so before? no Did she not open one of Bob's present at a previous occasion? no
Did Bob expect she would throw it away? noforget it? no give it to somebody else? no
Did Marge actually forget the package in some place? or throw it away? no and somebody found it and brought it to the "lost & found" office? no
Is there something about Marge we still have to find out? not about Marge but about the situation
Did Bob have any other reason to put the head in the package than just getting rid of it? yope
Did Bob separate the head from the victim's body? yes
Was the victim already dead when this was done? yes
Was the victim's body separated into more than two parts? yes
Did Bob dispose of the other body part(s) in a similar way? no
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Was Bob intending to switch the head for a real present in an identical box by christmas?
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Was Bob intending to switch the head for a real present in an identical box by christmas? No, but you're ORT (on the right track)
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Did Bob expect her to not open the gift because he thought she would be incapable to do so due to serious injury? death?

If so, would the incapacitation be his fault?

But even if she did open it, he expected her to open the gift on Christmas day, right? And that would be okay because he planned to be long gone, possibly to another country?
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On Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:30 pm you answered a question I'd posted, "Did Bob .... take something from the scene of relevance? yes perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance? yes", was the only thing taken from the scene of relevance the victim's head? body parts? was the only other-than-murder action of relevance at the scene the cutting up of the body?

Reason why Bob was originally suspected relevant?
When the Police asked to see the contents of the present were they in a place where they'd frequently ask to inspect items in an individual's possession? had they seeked Marge out specifically? the present specifically? was their enquiry in relation to the murder? another crime? a random check? did they/would they look at/in any of her other possessions (e.g. handbag)?
Relevant why the Police wanted to know the package's contents?

Was the identity of the victim's head recognised when the package was opened? relevant?
Was Bob incrimenated by the presence of the head due to some clue/sign inside the present with/on/in the presentation of the head? or simply because the present had been from him and contained a body part?
Would everything have happened in the same way if it had been a hand of the victim in the present instead of the head?
Relevant where Bob was when the present was opened?
If the Police had not had the present opened and Bob had gone with Marge would his 'plan' still work?

Was it Bob's intention that Marge would ever open a present? this 'present'? another present?
Did Bob intend for this 'present' to ever be opened (i.e. by anyone)?
Did Bob believe that somehow/ for some reason, Marge would not/ would be unable to open the present at christmas?
Did Bob know of Marge's intention to return after Christmas?
Bob had taken the head off his victim before he knew/ Marge had decided to go on vacation? relevant what Bob would have done with the head if she had not gone on vacation?

Relevant what Bob had done with the other body parts?
Relevant how many parts Bob had cut the body up into?
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On Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:30 pm you answered a question I'd posted, "Did Bob .... take something from the scene of relevance? yes perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance? yes", was the only thing taken from the scene of relevance the victim's head? body parts? was the only other-than-murder action of relevance at the scene the cutting up of the body? no

Reason why Bob was originally suspected relevant? no
When the Police asked to see the contents of the present were they in a place where they'd frequently ask to inspect items in an individual's possession? yope had they seeked Marge out specifically?yope the present specifically? yesish was their enquiry in relation to the murder? yesanother crime? a random check? did they/would they look at/in any of her other possessions (e.g. handbag)? no
Relevant why the Police wanted to know the package's contents? yes

Was the identity of the victim's head recognised when the package was opened? yes relevant? yes
Was Bob incrimenated by the presence of the head due to some clue/sign inside the present no with/on/in the presentation of the head?yes or simply because the present had been from him and contained a body part? yes
Would everything have happened in the same way if it had been a hand of the victim in the present instead of the head?
Relevant where Bob was when the present was opened?
If the Police had not had the present opened and Bob had gone with Marge would his 'plan' still work?

Was it Bob's intention that Marge would ever open a present? this 'present'? another present?
Did Bob intend for this 'present' to ever be opened (i.e. by anyone)?
Did Bob believe that somehow/ for some reason, Marge would not/ would be unable to open the present at christmas?
Did Bob know of Marge's intention to return after Christmas?
Bob had taken the head off his victim before he knew/ Marge had decided to go on vacation? yes relevant what Bob would have done with the head if she had not gone on vacation? yes

Relevant what Bob had done with the other body parts? yope
Relevant how many parts Bob had cut the body up into? no
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On Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:30 pm you answered a question I'd posted, "Did Bob .... take something from the scene of relevance? yes perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance? yes", was the only thing taken from the scene of relevance the victim's head? body parts? was the only other-than-murder action of relevance at the scene the cutting up of the body? no

Reason why Bob was originally suspected relevant? no
When the Police asked to see the contents of the present were they in a place where they'd frequently ask to inspect items in an individual's possession? yope had they seeked Marge out specifically?yope the present specifically? yesish was their enquiry in relation to the murder? yesanother crime? a random check? did they/would they look at/in any of her other possessions (e.g. handbag)? no
Relevant why the Police wanted to know the package's contents? yes

Was the identity of the victim's head recognised when the package was opened? yes relevant? yes
Was Bob incrimenated by the presence of the head due to some clue/sign inside the present no with/on/in the presentation of the head?yes or simply because the present had been from him and contained a body part? yes
Would everything have happened in the same way if it had been a hand of the victim in the present instead of the head?
Relevant where Bob was when the present was opened?
If the Police had not had the present opened and Bob had gone with Marge would his 'plan' still work?

Was it Bob's intention that Marge would ever open a present? this 'present'? another present?
Did Bob intend for this 'present' to ever be opened (i.e. by anyone)?
Did Bob believe that somehow/ for some reason, Marge would not/ would be unable to open the present at christmas?
Did Bob know of Marge's intention to return after Christmas?
Bob had taken the head off his victim before he knew/ Marge had decided to go on vacation? yes relevant what Bob would have done with the head if she had not gone on vacation? yes

Relevant what Bob had done with the other body parts? yope
Relevant how many parts Bob had cut the body up into? no
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On Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:30 pm you answered a question I'd posted, "Did Bob .... take something from the scene of relevance? yes perform an action (other than murder) at the scene of relevance? yes", was the only thing taken from the scene of relevance the victim's head? body parts? was the only other-than-murder action of relevance at the scene the cutting up of the body? no

Reason why Bob was originally suspected relevant? no
When the Police asked to see the contents of the present were they in a place where they'd frequently ask to inspect items in an individual's possession? yope had they seeked Marge out specifically?yope the present specifically? yesish was their enquiry in relation to the murder? yesanother crime? a random check? did they/would they look at/in any of her other possessions (e.g. handbag)? no
Relevant why the Police wanted to know the package's contents? yes

Was the identity of the victim's head recognised when the package was opened? yes relevant? yes
Was Bob incrimenated by the presence of the head due to some clue/sign inside the present no with/on/in the presentation of the head?yes or simply because the present had been from him and contained a body part? yes
Would everything have happened in the same way if it had been a hand of the victim in the present instead of the head?
Relevant where Bob was when the present was opened?
If the Police had not had the present opened and Bob had gone with Marge would his 'plan' still work?

Was it Bob's intention that Marge would ever open a present? this 'present'? another present?
Did Bob intend for this 'present' to ever be opened (i.e. by anyone)?
Did Bob believe that somehow/ for some reason, Marge would not/ would be unable to open the present at christmas?
Did Bob know of Marge's intention to return after Christmas?
Bob had taken the head off his victim before he knew/ Marge had decided to go on vacation? yes relevant what Bob would have done with the head if she had not gone on vacation? yes

Relevant what Bob had done with the other body parts? yope
Relevant how many parts Bob had cut the body up into? no
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You missed my questions.
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Did Bob expect her to not open the giftyes because he thought she would be incapable to do so due to serious injury? no death? no

If so, would the incapacitation be his fault?He expected to be abler to prevent her from opening it but not by killing or injuring her

But even if she did open it, he expected her to open the gift on Christmas day, right?N/A And that would be okay because he planned to be long gone, possibly to another country? no
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You missed my questions. Rectified, with my apologies. I'm also answering (below) some I missed of Liquizst's
Would everything have happened in the same way if it had been a hand of the victim in the present instead of the head?yesish
Relevant where Bob was when the present was opened? yes
If the Police had not had the present opened and Bob had gone with Marge would his 'plan' still work? yes

Was it Bob's intention that Marge would ever open a present? yesthis 'present'? noanother present? yes
Did Bob intend for this 'present' to ever be opened (i.e. by anyone)? no
Did Bob believe that somehow/ for some reason, Marge would not/ would be unable to open the present at christmas? yes
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Did Bob believe she would be unable to open the present because she would not have that present (with the head)at the time of her opening it because he would have switched the presents before she attempted to open it?

Bob took something else from the scene of the crime; was it another part of the body? valuables? an electronic device? size of the other thing taken: credit card size? bread box size? large suitcase size? larger?

Just wondering.... was there a smell eminating from the present? any bodily fluids?
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Did Bob believe she would be unable to open the present because she would not have that present (with the head)at the time of her opening it because he would have switched the presents before she attempted to open it? yes

Bob took something else from the scene of the crime; was it another part of the body? yes valuables? noan electronic device? no size of the other thing taken: credit card size? no bread box size? no large suitcase size? no larger? yes

Just wondering.... was there a smell eminating from the present? no any bodily fluids? no
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A large body part - bigger than a large suitcase... the trunk of the body?

Did he have this body part stored somewhere? Had he wrapped it up as a gift as well? If he did not have it, is it important what he did with it?

Was it just one other body part?

I don't know if this has been asked... does it matter where Bob was when she opened the package for the police?

Is it important what the secondary (non-head) present would have contained?

Does it matter why Bob killed this person?

On August 18 you replied to Kaori that the animal (human) was diseased. Does this have anything to do with why the murder occurred? Was it diseased before and/or after death?
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A large body part - bigger than a large suitcase... the trunk of the body? yes

Did he have this body part stored somewhere? no Had he wrapped it up as a gift as well? no If he did not have it, is it important what he did with it? yope

Was it just one other body part?noish

I don't know if this has been asked... does it matter where Bob was when she opened the package for the police? yes, it matters

Is it important what the secondary (non-head) present would have contained?no

Does it matter why Bob killed this person? no

On August 18 you replied to Kaori that the animal (human) was diseased. OOOOOO This is a BLOOOPERALERTTTTTTTTTTT!!! I misread that as 'deceased"!! The (human) animal was not DISEASED!!! Does this have anything to do with why the murder occurred? N/A Was it diseased before and/or after death? N/A
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Is Bob's job relevant?
The time of day when the murder occured? when the package was opened?
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Is Bob's job relevant? no
The time of day when the murder occured? nowhen the package was opened? yesish
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I was wondering if we could get a recap...

So he put the body parts into boxes to hide the body, yes? And he wasn't expecting Marge to open it- He wanted to switch it out before Christmas for a real present (the likes of which is irrelevant) so he could keep the body hidden.

However, Marge decides to go see her family for Christmas, preventing Bob (now panicking, I'm sure) from switching them out. Wherever Marge was, the police were present and on suspicion, told her to open the package, revealing a gruesome head. (It's Christmas, not Halloween, silly Bob!)

Or... Was Bob along with Marge to see her parents, and the police, seeing the head from him, immediately nabbed him?
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I was wondering if we could get a recap... Add the following to the puzzle decription: Bob gives Margie a package with the victim's head in it as a Christman present. He does not expecxtb her ever to open it. The police make her open it.It matters where Bob is wwen she opens it.}

So he put the body parts into boxes to hide the body, yes? yes And he wasn't expecting Marge to open it- He wanted to switch it out before Christmas for a real present (the likes of which is irrelevant) so he could keep the body hidden. yes

However, Marge decides to go see her family for Christmas, preventing Bob (now panicking, I'm sure) from switching them out. Wherever Marge was, the police were present and on suspicion, told her to open the package, revealing a gruesome head. (It's Christmas, not Halloween, silly Bob!) yes

Or... Was Bob along with Marge to see her parents, and the police, seeing the head from him, immediately nabbed him?
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Ahh, you missed two questions!
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BLOOOOPERRRRRALERTTTTTTT!! However, Marge decides to go see her family for Christmas, preventing Bob (now panicking, I'm sure) from switching them out. Wherever Marge was, the police were present and on suspicion, told her to open the package, revealing a gruesome head. The answer should be yesish

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Or... Was Bob along with Marge to see her parents no, and the police, seeing the head from him, immediately nabbed him? no
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Ahh, you missed two questions! Rectified, with my apologies
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Concerning the ish from, "However, Marge decides to go see her family for Christmas, preventing Bob (now panicking, I'm sure) from switching them out. Wherever Marge was, the police were present and on suspicion, told her to open the package, revealing a gruesome head. ...yesish":

Marge decided to go see her family for Christmas?
Marge's decision to go see her family prevented Bob from switching the present?
Marge's decision to go away for Christmas prevented Bob from switching the present?
Bob panicked/ would have panicked when Marge decides to go away?
Bob knew Marge planned to go away before she actually set out and was stopped by the Police?
Marge had set out on her trip away when she was stopped by the Police whilst in possession of the head?
The head was not gruesome but nicely presented? (:

I think/hope I covered all the parts of that question there that have not already, exhaustively been discussed...

I find your puzzles tough Nimue but also appreciate the challenge! I like posting on them but sometimes find I've only got good questions or a new approach after re-reading the whole puzzle and taking in every detail already learnt... they tend to get quite long (which is great IMO) but unfortunately this is also why I contribute less frequently than I'd like to.. X) Recaps are good but tend to only cover the positively answered questions whereas I find that sometimes the best route to cracking a puzzle is hidden in a negative response somewhere...
Very interested in this puzzle though and have been following it, looking for a new way in each time.
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I agree with Liquizt! Your puzzles always manage to be really clever, especially those scrund ones!

Was Bob at the house of the victim? Perhaps house-sitting?
If not, was he at...
Home?
Church?
His parent's house?
Police station?
A Store?

What else must we find out?
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Concerning the ish from, "However, Marge decides to go see her family for Christmas, preventing Bob (now panicking, I'm sure) from switching them out. Wherever Marge was, the police were present and on suspicion, told her to open the package, revealing a gruesome head. ...yesish":

Marge decided to go see her family for Christmas? yes
Marge's decision to go see her family prevented Bob from switching the present?yesish or yope
Marge's decision to go away for Christmas prevented Bob from switching the present? ditto
Bob panicked/ would have panicked when Marge decides to go away? no
Bob knew Marge planned to go away before she actually set out and was stopped by the Police?\b[ no}
Marge had set out on her trip away when she was stopped by the Police whilst in possession of the head? no
The head was not gruesome but nicely presented? yope (:

I think/hope I covered all the parts of that question there that have not already, exhaustively been discussed...

I find your puzzles tough Nimue but also appreciate the challenge!Great!! We aim to please--& challenge!! I appreciate your questions!!!! I like posting on them but sometimes find I've only got good questions or a new approach after re-reading the whole puzzle and taking in every detail already learnt... they tend to get quite long (which is great IMO) but unfortunately this is also why I contribute less frequently than I'd like to.. X) Recaps are good but tend to only cover the positively answered questions whereas I find that sometimes the best route to cracking a puzzle is hidden in a negative response somewhere...
Very interested in this puzzle though and have been following it, looking for a new way in each time. (:
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I agree with Liquizt! Your puzzles always manage to be really clever, especially those scrund ones! Thanks!! I LOVE the forum!! Thanks for setting it up & maintaining it!!

Was Bob at the house of the victim? no Perhaps house-sitting? no
If not, was he at...
Home? yes
Church?no
His parent's house? no
Police station? no
A Store? no

What else must we find out? Why did Bob give Margie the package? Why did the police make her open it? Basically, you need to reconstruct the scene & the chain of events leading up to it
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I think I know one part after following Liquizt's suggestion

Why did Bob give Marge the package?
Was it because the police were watching him? And he was trying to move the head somewhere else? (Kinda seems stupid of him to keep the head though)
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I think I know one part after following Liquizt's suggestion

Why did Bob give Marge the package?
Was it because the police were watching him? yes And he was trying to move the head somewhere else? noish(Kinda seems stupid of him to keep the head though)
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If he wasn't trying to move the head, was he trying to appear innocent by giving his wife a gift?

The police made her open it because...

She was obsessing over what she thought it could be, and they said "Why don't you just open it?"?
They forced her to under suspicion?

...Was he trying to get Marge under suspicion instead of himself?
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If he wasn't trying to move the head, was he trying to appear innocent by giving his wife a gift? Yes, although Msrge is his girtlfrierd ratrher than his wife (& this is relevant)

The police made her open it because...

She was obsessing over what she thought it could be, and they said "Why don't you just open it?"?yope or yesish
They forced her to under suspicion? yes

...Was he trying to get Marge under suspicion instead of himself? no
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Is it relevant how Marge traveled? I.e. did she travel by plane and the x-ray scanner at security turned up something suspicious in her bags? Thus they made her open the gift?

Marge is not his wife - Relevant because Bob can't stop Marge from testifying against him? (For more information see "Marital/Spousal Privilege in wikipedia).
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Is it relevant how Marge traveled? no I.e. did she travel by plane and the x-ray scanner at security turned up something suspicious in her bags? no Thus they made her open the gift? no

Marge is not his wife - Relevant because Bob can't stop Marge from testifying against him? no (For more information see "Marital/Spousal Privilege in wikipedia).
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Is a proposal relevant? Maybe Marga thought there would be a ring in the box, opened it, found a head? (I know, pretty big box for a ring...)

Is a law involving husbands and wives relevant? Privileges that spouses have?
Was either of them married to somebody else?

Apologies if these are all irrelevant...I've jumped in a bit here.
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Is a proposal relevant? Maybe Marga thought there would be a ring in the box, opened it, found a head? no(I know, pretty big box for a ring...)

Is a law involving husbands and wives relevant? noPrivileges that spouses have? no
Was either of them married to somebody else? no

Apologies if these are all irrelevant...I've jumped in a bit here. No apology needed--jumpers are welcome!!
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Was it frozen? Otherwise it would smell, wouldn't it? Is it disguised as food? Does she think it's a festive turkey or some such?
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Was it frozen? no Otherwise it would smell, wouldn't it? The story's writer seemed to think the smell could be avoided by some chemical treatment--is that plausible? I haven't had chemistry since high school!Is it disguised as food? no Does she think it's a festive turkey or some such? no
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I'm not clear - was she forced/coerced into opening it?

Did Bob actually hand her the present? Was he trying to hide the head by wrapping it in a box under the tree? Had he ever intended to actually give it to her? Relevant why he removed the head (e. g. prevent/delay identification)?
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I'm not clear - was she forced/coerced into opening it? yesish

Did Bob actually hand her the present? yesWas he trying to hide the head by wrapping it in a box yes under the tree no? Had he ever intended to actually give it to her? no Relevant why he removed the headnoish (e. g. prevent/delay identification)? no
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The smell is fragmented or decomposing protein (commonly known as putrizine and cadaverine). I imagine there's some chemical method for controlling the smell but it would probably involve multiple, complex chemical reactions that would affect the appearance of the head and/or highly harmful/ toxic chemicals.
Bleach for example could easily destroy the protein and thereby stop the smell but this would have an obvious affect on the head's appearance and would smell itself if not properly washed off... it seems like too complex a task to be practically applied by a man under suspicion.

Then again there may be some easy, common-household-chemicals solution to all this but unfortunately I have not found myself with so many rotting heads/corpses that it has ever been necessary to learn/ attempt to discover.
Though figure a highly potent, fragrenced present would do the trick of masking the smell (or 'masking' the origin of the smell - there are some horrible perfumes out there...) quite well...... for a little while at least.
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The smell is fragmented or decomposing protein (commonly known as putrizine and cadaverine). I imagine there's some chemical method for controlling the smell but it would probably involve multiple, complex chemical reactions that would affect the appearance of the head and/or highly harmful/ toxic chemicals.
Bleach for example could easily destroy the protein and thereby stop the smell but this would have an obvious affect on the head's appearance and would smell itself if not properly washed off... it seems like too complex a task to be practically applied by a man under suspicion. HINT: Explore this point further

Then again there may be some easy, common-household-chemicals solution to all this but unfortunately I have not found myself with so many rotting heads/corpses that it has ever been necessary to learn/ attempt to discover. Well. . .how about just one??
Though figure a highly potent, fragrenced present would do the trick of masking the smell (or 'masking' the origin of the smell - there are some horrible perfumes out there...) quite well...... for a little while at least.
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Was not expecting to gain anything in this puzzle from that post!

Hmm... not exactly sure which point should be explored here... We know Bob IS under suspicion (Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 7:37 pm). So:
Bleach involved?
Smells relevant?
Or the head's exact appearance relevant? when the box is opened does it look like a freshly harvested human head? Is the blood dry? or has it been drained? (Don't know if this has been asked already but) is there anything in the present other than the head?
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....Is Bob a coroner? =P
So he would naturally have all those chemicals around the house?
Did he have help cutting up the body?
OOOOoh, was the body Marge's previous boyfriend, and Bob killed him so that he could date Marge? (You said it was relevant that they were not married, so...)
Do they even like each other? Is that relevant?
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Was not expecting to gain anything in this puzzle from that post!

Hmm... not exactly sure which point should be explored here It would help if you visualized the scene. Where does it occur? Who is present? Why?... We know Bob IS under suspicion (Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 7:37 pm). So:
Bleach involved?irrel--it's not part of the puzzle
Smells relevant? oOnly because the head DOESN'T smell, although the reason for its odorlessness may be unclear
Or the head's exact appearance relevant? no when the box is opened does it look like a freshly harvested human head?All that's relevant is that it is recognizably the head Is the blood dry? or has it been drained? irrel (Don't know if this has been asked already but) is there anything in the present other than the head? no
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....Is Bob a coroner? no =P
So he would naturally have all those chemicals around the house? no
Did he have help cutting up the body? no
OOOOoh, was the body Marge's previous boyfriend, and Bob killed him so that he could date Marge? no(You said it was relevant that they were not married, so...)
Do they even like each other? Do you mean Bob & Marge? If so, yes Is that relevant? yesish
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Hey! This puzzle isn't solved, why is it in the "recently solved" pile?
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Because it is a "disasterous departure" - boom boom.
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Hey! This puzzle isn't solved, why is it in the "recently solved" pile? I have no idea, but why don't YOU solve it??
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Because it is a "disasterous departure" - boom boom.
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Hope you don't mind jumping in this late.. great fun just reading this puzzle...

Does it matter whose head it was? Was it Bob's wife's head? Is the fact that Bob is married relevant? Did Bob's wife know that he committed the crime? Did his wife notify the police?
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Hope you don't mind jumping in this late.. I love it!! New perspectives are always welcome!! great fun just reading this puzzle...

Does it matter whose head it was?yope Was it Bob's wife's head? no Is the fact that Bob is married relevant?Bob is not married. If I previously said othgerwise, consider this a BBBLOOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRRALERTTTTTTTT!!!! Did Bob's wife know that he committed the crime? see previous answer Did his wife notify the police? ditto
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You said it would it would help to visualize the scene so...
Did Marge open the box at her house? Bob's house? A police station? In a public place? Did the police call her? Pull her car over? Visit her somewhere? Ask her questions?

Was Marge with someone else (besides the police) when she opened the box? Was she with Bob?

Did police question Bob? Did he mention Marge? Did he say that Marge was his wife? Did the police actually see Bob hand the box to Marge?
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You said it would it would help to visualize the scene so...
Did Marge open the box at her house?no Bob's house? yes A police station?no In a public place? no Did the police call her? noPull her car over? no Visit her somewhere? no Ask her questions?no

Was Marge with someone else (besides the police) when she opened the box? yes Was she with Bob? yes

Did police question Bob? yes Did he mention Marge? yes Did he say that Marge was his wife? no Did the police actually see Bob hand the box to Marge?yes
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You said it would it would help to visualize the scene so...
Did Marge open the box at her house?no Bob's house? yes A police station?no In a public place? no Did the police call her? noPull her car over? no Visit her somewhere? no Ask her questions?no

Was Marge with someone else (besides the police) when she opened the box? yes Was she with Bob? yes

Did police question Bob? yes Did he mention Marge? yes Did he say that Marge was his wife? no Did the police actually see Bob hand the box to Marge?yes
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Was Bob under arrest at the time? Had the police gotten permission to search the house?

Did Bob think that the police would not suspect anything incriminating to be in the box when he gave it to Marge? did he believe that the evidence, even if found, would be inadmissible in court?
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So the police were at his house under warrant? So he got rid of the head really fast?
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Was Bob under arrest at the time?no Had the police gotten permission to search the house? yes

Did Bob think that the police would not suspect anything incriminating to be in the box when he gave it to Marge? yes did he believe that the evidence, even if found, would be inadmissible in court? no
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So the police were at his house under warrant? They had a warrant to search his house So he got rid of the head really fast? yes
THis is close enopugh for me to declare a
*************** SPOILER ****************
Bob killed Herman & then cut his body up into parts which he slowly disposed of by incinerating them in his chemistry lab (from which he also got chemicals to mask the smell. When he was down to the head, which he stored in a box in bedroom closet, the police showed up at his house with a search warrant. Fortunately (for him), he was wrapping Christmas presents at the time So he asked the police if he could continue wrapping while they searched. They stupidly agreed, & he, being a stupid show-off, wrapped the box so elaborately that the policeman commented on it. "It's for my girlfriend," Bob said. So imagine his horror when she dropped by unexpectedly (while the police were still searching) & said she was leaving town early & wanted to give his his Christmas present. "Aren't you going to give her hers?" the policeman asked, & Bob said it was supposed to be a surprise after Christmas. But Marge, seeing the elaborately wrapped box, said, "I want it now," picked it up, & started to open it. "No, No, that's not supposed to be opened till Christmas!" said Bob frantically, figuring he could get the box out of her clutches before then. This is from a short story whose last line is,"'I think you'd better open that box now,' the policeman said." That's such a great ending that I think it makes up for the story's implausibilities. Thanks for sticking with this puzzle, & please check out my new one at the bottom of the page.
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Scary... That's what you get for being an elaborate murderer, I guess. Alright, Nimue, give us another!!!
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I DID!! CHECK IT OUT!!

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