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In order to hide her poverty, Nyneve pretended to be interested in education. How come??
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Interested in education, meaning:
she wanted to get an education?
she was willing to contribute money to schools?
she wanted a job in the field of education?
she was just curious and wanted to look up facts about the educational system?
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The "poor starving college student" stereotype is perfectly acceptable in society?
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Is this set in high society? Middle-class?
An atypical society / time period?
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Interested in education, meaning:
she wanted to get an education? irrel
she was willing to contribute money to schools? possibly
she wanted a job in the field of education?
she was just curious and wanted to look up facts about the educational system? no
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The "poor starving college student" stereotype is perfectly acceptable in society? irrel
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Is this set in high society? Middle-class?
An atypical society / time period? It's set ino rdinary Amnerican society> The present time is OK, as would be the 20th century & possibly earlier
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Was there a particular facet of education that was relevant?
Was this deception something she did on a regular basis? Was this a one-time instance to get out of a potentially embarassing situation? I.e. Was she standing in line for unemployment, saw an acquaintance, then ducked into the next door office (ROTC recruitment or something similar) to avoid being seen?
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Was there a particular facet of education that was relevant?yope
Was this deception something she did on a regular basis? noWas this a one-time instance to get out of a potentially embarassing situation? yes I.e. Was she standing in line for unemployment, saw an acquaintance, then ducked into the next door office (ROTC recruitment or something similar) to avoid being seen? No, but you're ORT (on the right track)
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Any books, newspaper articles, TV or radio shows involved?
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Any books, newspaper articles, TV or radio shows involved?no
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Did she simply lie in a conversation?
Did she pretend to carry a study / experiment?
Was she begging?
Could she afford food? Did she have a place to live? I'm trying to determine how poor she actually was, is this relevant?
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Is her "interest" in education directed toward a particular school? Training oportunity? Career course? Major/Field of study? Fundraising for a particular educational establishment?

Does this incident take place at/near a... computer?
store?
government office?
school?
restaurant?
public facility?
major road?
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Did she simply lie in a conversation? yesish
Did she pretend to carry a study / experiment? no
Was she begging? no
Could she afford food? yesDid she have a place to live? yes I'm trying to determine how poor she actually was, is this relevant? yes
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Is her "interest" in education directed toward a particular school? possibly Training oportunity? ditto Career course?possibly Major/Field of study? possibly Fundraising for a particular educational establishment? yesish

Does this incident take place at/near a... computer? no
store? yes
government office? yope
school? no
restaurant? no
public facility? see above
major road?it's probably near a major road
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Was she poorer than the person / circle of people she lies to? A lot poorer?
Was she poorer than she used to be? Poorer than she was when they last talked?

Is her name or her family relevant?
Is there actually a fundraising involved? Funds raised from the sale of a certain product?
Did she use the product because she was poor, but said that she buys it only to help raise money for education?
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Was she poorer than the person / circle of people she lies to? yes A lot poorer? yes
Was she poorer than she used to be? irrel Poorer than she was when they last talked? ditto

Is her name or her family relevant? no
Is there actually a fundraising involved?yes Funds raised from the sale of a certain product? yes
Did she use the product because she was poor yes, but said that she buys it only to help raise money for education no?
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Does she lie to a person? To more people? Is the number relevant? If so, please consider the LTPF list of positive integers.

Did she know the person/people?
Was she trying to impress them?
Was she just avoiding embarassment?

Is the product she buys relevant? Is it related to education?
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Does she lie to a person? possibly To more people? possiblyIs the number relevant? yes If so, please consider the LTPF list of positive integers. It's probably 1, maybe 2, & possibly but probably not 3. More than 3 is incredibly unlikely)

Did she know the person/people? yes
Was she trying to impress them? see next answer
Was she just avoiding embarassment? yes

Is the product she buys relevant? yesishIs it related to education? no
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Is any of the people the store clerk?
Does she go to the store alone? Does she run into anyone there?
Is the item only bought by poor people? Is it a cheap brand of something? Or more like a poor man's version (like buying toilet paper to use as napkins... or something)
Is it consumable?
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Is any of the people the store clerk?no
Does she go to the store alone? yes Does she run into anyone there? yes
Is the item only bought by poor people? yesishIs it a cheap brand of something? noishOr more like a poor man's version (like buying toilet paper to use as napkins... or something) no
Is it consumable? Do you mean edible? No.
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Is it disposable? Would a person of modest means (vs. being poor) buy it as well? Is it the volume being purchased that's relevant? The way she's paying? Does she claim the whatever is intended for classroom use?
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Is it disposable? What ISN'T disposable? If you mean, is it normally discarded after one use (like kleenex), the answer is noWould a person of modest means (vs. being poor) buy it as well? possiblyIs it the volume being purchased that's relevant no The way she's paying? no Does she claim the whatever is intended for classroom use? no
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Was it a lottery ticket?
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Was it a lottery ticket? Lots of people who aren't poor buy lottery tickets. In fact, a past puzzle of mine involved my middle-class father's buying a lottery ticket for everyone in my (nuclear) family & justifying it on the grounds that the money went to education.
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Agreed, I didn't intend to imply I was under the impression that only poor people buy lottery tickets; I just thought it was a plausible situation. It is realistic to say that a majority of people who do buy lottery tickets seek some sort of financial security that they do not have, and exactly how poor Nyneve is hasn't really been established yet. But reading your response leads me to believe that the item in question is strikingly something only a truly poor person would purchase in all likelihood. Noted.

The product she purchased - was it the same product that was being sold to raise the funds? If so, this would make me wonder why a charitable rich person wouldn't buy it.

Was it a cheap knock-off of a designer item?
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Agreed, I didn't intend to imply I was under the impression that only poor people buy lottery tickets; I just thought it was a plausible situation. It is realistic to say that a majority of people who do buy lottery tickets seek some sort of financial security that they do not have, and exactly how poor Nyneve is hasn't really been established yet. But reading your response leads me to believe that the item in question is strikingly something only a truly poor person would purchase in all likelihood. Noted.

The product she purchased - was it the same product that was being sold to raise the funds? no If so, this would make me wonder why a charitable rich person wouldn't buy it.

Was it a cheap knock-off of a designer item? possibly but not necessarily
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did she buy a cheaper version of something saying that she was buying it for it's charitable connections when in fact she was buying it because she wanted to save money? or couldn't afford the more expensive version?
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did she buy a cheaper version of something saying that she was buying it for it's charitable connections when in fact she was buying it because she wanted to save money?no or couldn't afford the more expensive version? no
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HINT: Find out what store she went to.
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Was it a charity store? One that sells second-hand clothes and supports educational projects, perhaps?
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Was it a charity store? yes One that sells second-hand clothes yesand supports educational projects, perhaps no ?
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Was she already in the second-hand store when she had her encounter? Did she claim she was there making a donation?
Pretending to be interested in education - did her "interest" involve her...
Donating to the store?
Purchasing from the store?
Purchasing from the store FOR another group?
Halloween costume?
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Was she already in the second-hand store when she had her encounter? possibly Did she claim she was there making a donation? no
Pretending to be interested in education - did her "interest" involve her...
Donating to the store? no
Purchasing from the store? no
Purchasing from the store FOR another group? no
Halloween costume?no
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*trying to kick start some of these again*

Was she buying some clothes that could be utilized for something else? I.e. Did she pick out a graduation gown, intending to turn it into a pillow case or curtains, but got caught and explained it as being for somebody's graduation?
Was she in fact buying/picking out clothes? Did she grab a particularly unusual design of clothing to "emulate for her sewing knowledge"? Or something she would teach a class how to sew? Her interest in education... the classroom portion? homework? teaching? graduation? a particular school? children's education?
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*trying to kick start some of these again*

Was she buying some clothes that could be utilized for something else?no I.e. Did she pick out a graduation gown, intending to turn it into a pillow case or curtains, but got caught and explained it as being for somebody's graduation?no
Was she in fact buying/picking out clothes? {possibly yopeDid she grab a particularly unusual design of clothing to "emulate for her sewing knowledge"?no Or something she would teach a class how to sew? noHer interest in education... the classroom portion?probably homework? unlikely teaching?possibly graduation unlikelyparticular school? possiblychildren's education?possibly
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*keeps kicking*

Was the store "Goodwill"? Was there another office/store nearby that she ducked into instead of going to the charity store? Did she actually go into the charity store? Was she already inside?
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*keeps kicking*

Was the store "Goodwill"? no, but you're very ORT (on the right track) Was there another office/store nearby that she ducked into instead of going to the charity store? noDid she actually go into the charity store? yes Was she already inside? yes
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Was the store "Salvation Army"?
Was the store something exactly along the lines of "Goodwill" or "Salvation Army"?
Was it a very local store?
Is it relevant exactly which store it was?

Was she buying something for education-related purpose?
Did she say or imply that she was?
Did she buy a set of clothes and say it was a new school outfit?
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If it was similar to the Salvation Army...
Does the store in question have offices all around the world? Did she suggest she was interested in working at the Salvation Army for a chance to travel the world? For educational purposes? World culture enlightenment, etc?
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Was the store "Salvation Army"? yes
Was the store something exactly along the lines of "Goodwill" or "Salvation Army"? see previous answer
Was it a very local store? see previous answer but one
Is it relevant exactly which store it was? yesish--find out the relevant properties of a Salvation Army store

Was she buying something for education-related purpose? no
Did she say or imply that she was? no
Did she buy a set of clothes and say it was a new school outfit? no
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If it was similar to the Salvation Army...
Does the store in question have offices all around the world? I think the Sal Army does, & it is a Sal Army store Did she suggest she was interested in working at the Salvation Army for a chance to travel the world? no For educational purposes? no World culture enlightenment, etc? no
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Did she say/imply she wanted to support their rehabilitation services?
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Did she say/imply she wanted to support their rehabilitation services? No--that wouldn't be supporting education, more like indoctrination
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Salvation Army:
Name relevant? Store appearance relevant? Philosophy/motto relevant? Fact that Salvation Army is a religion relevant? Christmas-time coin buckets and bell ringing relevant? Color red relevant?
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Salvation Army:
Name relevant? Yope--if anything, the name may be misleading & may make it harder to solve this puzzleStore appearance relevant? yesPhilosophy/motto relevant? Yope--if anything, the philosophy/motto may be misleading & may make it harder to solve this puzzleSalvation Army is a religion relevant? Yope--if anything, the religious asppect may be misleading & may make it harder to solve this puzzleChristmas-time coin buckets and bell ringing relevant? See previous answer Color red relevant? no
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Salvation Army...
...disaster relief efforts relevant?
Christian education relevant?
Adult Rehabilitation Centers at all relevant?
Youth groups relevant?
Anti-homosexual hiring practices relevant?

Is there a scrund about the Salvation Army that Nyneve has that is relevant? Is there a false assumption about the Salvation Army that we LTPFers have that's relevant?
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Salvation Army...
...disaster relief efforts relevant?no
Christian education relevant? This is another aspect of the Sal Army that can be misleading & make it harder to solve the puzzle
Adult Rehabilitation Centers at all relevant? no
Youth groups relevant? no
Anti-homosexual hiring practices relevant? no

Is there a scrund about the Salvation Army that Nyneve has that is relevant? There may be a relevant scrund (depending on what you LTPFers actually assume) but it's misleading to say it's a scrund about the Sal Army rather than about something else, (HINT: Find out what) Is there a false assumption about the Salvation Army that we LTPFers have that's relevant?see previous answer
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Okay, well I am confused and am about to sleep so no questions regarding the puzzle.

But may I ask for the definition of a "scrund" in the puzzle-writer's words? I tried a google search and it pointed me to the LTPF, a broken link to be specific...so I assume it is a term used in the hallowed halls alone and so as a third time newbie to here (I know it is horrible), what is a scrund?
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Okay, well I am confused and am about to sleep so no questions regarding the puzzle.

But may I ask for the definition of a "scrund" in the puzzle-writer's words? I tried a google search and it pointed me to the LTPF, a broken link to be specific...so I assume it is a term used in the hallowed halls alone and so as a third time newbie to here (I know it is horrible), what is a scrund?Oh, I'm so glad you asked! I introdced the concept of a scrund (in a previous puzzle) & am ridiculously proud of it. A scrund is a false belief that goes uncorrected for a long time (say, at least a year) because the subject is too obscure (or whatever) to come up in conversation. For example, I believed for about 20 years that it was part of Christian doctrine that men had been enchanted into leopards & Jesus turned them back into men again. This is because I went to a church service only once as a child, at age 8, & thought I heard the minister say that Jesus had cured the leopards. Actually, of course, he said 'lepers.' The preposterous of this didn't faze me because I didn't expect religious miracles to be anything that could actually happen any more than enchantments in Grimm's fairy tales did. But I encountered so few religious Christians (or religious anythings, for that matter) that the subject never came up until in my 20's I mentioned the doctrine to a Christian friend & she burst out laughing. Another common scrund (which I also used in a puzzle) is the belief that a condemned man can have everything he wants to eat for his last meal. It ain't so, alas.
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement. Nyneve was at a Salvation Army store, but the religious aspect of the SA may actually have impeded your solving the puzzle.The relevant aspects of the SA store are physical rather than religious.
HINT: Find out the relevant physical aspects & also find out more about the fund-raising that is involved in this puzzle.
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Hey Nimue...here I am...checking it out as requested =) I haven't read the whole thing, just the last couple posts and your recap, so if I'm asking questions that have already been answered just put "read above"

Does this have anything to do with the perception of the SA being where poor people may shop? Was she pretending that she needed costumes for a class activity or an extracurricular? Did she claim to work for a school? To be a teacher? Was her interest in education grade school? middle school? high school? college?

You can feel free to look at my puzzles too...they've been pretty lonely =(
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Hey Nimue...here I am...checking it out as requested =) I haven't read the whole thing, just the last couple posts and your recap, so if I'm asking questions that have already been answered just put "read above"

Does this have anything to do with the perception of the SA being where poor people may shop? yes Was she pretending that she needed costumes for a class activity or an extracurricular? noDid she claim to work for a school? no To be a teacher? noWas her interest in education grade school? middle school? high school? college? It could have been any of those

You can feel free to look at my puzzles too...they've been pretty lonely =( As I've mentioned before, in the LTPF as in life, there are those who create problems & those who solve them. I fall in the first catagory.
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Yes, yes indeed...

Is the fund raising related to the feigned interest in education? Does the education or fund raising relate to or by a stereotype?
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Yes, yes indeed...

Is the fund raising related to the feigned interest in education? yesDoes the education or fund raising relate to or by a stereotype? this is possibly but very unlikely
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Is it a bookstore? A clothing store? Is there some sort of raffle? A tombola? Anything to do with booze?
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Is it a bookstore?We've already estasblished that it's a Salvation Army store. In case anyone's not familiar with them, Sal Army stores have mainly used & cheap clothes & furniture, but also some second-hand books, although way fewer books than you could get at a used-book store; so I doubt anyone goes to the Sal Army just for the books. A clothing store? see previous answer Is there some sort of raffle? no A tombola? huh?Anything to do with booze? no
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if she did not claim to work for the school, did she claim to be a member of the school? just interested in the school? maybe a son or daughter or other family member attends the school and that is why she is interested?
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if she did not claim to work for the school, did she claim to be a member of the school? nojust interested in the school? yes maybe a son or daughter or other family member attends the school and that is why she is interested? no
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"the school"... a particular school? a private school? a public school? catholic school? does the school even matter?
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"the school"... a particular school?yesish a private school? noa public school? yescatholic school? nodoes the school even matter? It is relevant that it is a public school (or schools)
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Does she think the salvation army does fund drives at schools? For schools?
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Does she think the salvation army does fund drives at schools? no For schools? no
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So, she was in the store to buy low-cost clothes?
But she pretended (to the lady from the Salvation Army? to the other people in the store? to somebody else?) that she is visiting the store because of her interest in a public school? (a particular public school?)
Did she pretend to be an alumni of this school? or that one of her relatives goes to this school?
Did she want to buy a school uniform? (do you have school uniforms in the States? Hopefully, not ..)
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So, she was in the store to buy low-cost clothes? yes
But she pretended (to the lady from the Salvation Army? no to the other people in the store? yes to somebody else? no) that she is visiting the store because of her interest in a public school? yes(a particular public school?) yes--or a particular public school system
Did she pretend to be an alumni of this school? no or that one of her relatives goes to this school? no
Did she want to buy a school uniform? no(do you have school uniforms in the States? Not in public schools, as far as I know, but in some privtate & parochial schoolsHopefully, not ..) I agree: school uniforms are a LOUSY idea. Not only do they deny schoolchildren the right of self-expression through clothing (ICK--sorry that came out sounding so pompous), but they accentuate the inequality between good-looking kids & those who aren't--& are deprived of the opportunity to dress in a way that conceals or at least compensates for their natural deficiencies
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I don't know... you've got kids dressing like hookers at younger and younger ages... if this keeps going, the American school systems may get a little stricter with their dress codes again (I think most at least have ruled no exposed bellies).

Did she deny that she was buying clothes? Did she imply she was buying clothes... for herself? for somebody else? for somebody(s) related to the public school?
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I don't know... you've got kids dressing like hookers at younger and younger ages... if this keeps going, the American school systems may get a little stricter with their dress codes again (I think most at least have ruled no exposed bellies).

Did she deny that she was buying clothes? Did she imply she was buying clothes... for herself? for somebody else? for somebody(s) related to the public school?
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I don't know... you've got kids dressing like hookers at younger and younger ages... if this keeps going, the American school systems may get a little stricter with their dress codes again America already has laws against indecent exposure. If an outfit is legal on the street or at a shopping mall, it should be legal in school. (I think most at least have ruled no exposed bellies).That's a far cry from requiring a uniform

Did she deny that she was buying clothes?yope Did she imply she was buying clothes... for herself? no for somebody else? no for somebody(s) related to the public school? no
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Hello Nimue!

Does she pretend to be buying something else/not buying anything?

You said it was relevant what the fund was raising money for, right? Was it to finance a particular public school? By selling a particular product?
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Hello Nimue! Hi!!

Does she pretend to be buying something else no/not buying anything? yes

You said it was relevant what the fund was raising money for, right? yesish Was it to finance a particular public school? More likely, a particular school systemBy selling a particular product? no
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Money?
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Money?Please clarify. What are you asking?
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I don't know. All I read was the puzzle statement. But from what I know of you, you would find some brilliant way of interpreting this. You know my methodology for solving puzzles. What am I asking?
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I don't know. All I read was the puzzle statement. But from what I know of you, you would find some brilliant way of interpreting this. You know my methodology for solving puzzles. What am I asking? You tell mer. My best guess, hardly brilliant, I'm afraid, is that you're asking whether Nyneve went through her deception for financial gain. The answer to that question is no.
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Samurai sword relevant?
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Samurai sword relevant? No--what a surprise
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If I leave here tomorrow would you still remember me? Relevant?
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If I leave here tomorrow would you still remember me?yes Relevant?no
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Was she implying (or saying) that the only reason she was shopping at the SA was because she was trying to help the schools (vs. trying to save money)?
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so she was seen in the shop by someone? someone she didn't want knowing that she was poor? so she pretended that she wasn't in the shop to buy clothes? she pretended she was there to give charitably in some way? to actually make a donation of something? clothes? other goods? relevant what if so?
did she pretend to be in the store gathering information? about a school or school system
did she pretend she was doing research? about life as a poor person?

is the school she pretended to be interested in one that is more likely to be attended by poor people?
did she say she was trying to find out what sort of people used a particular school?

did she say her interest related to a child of hers? who she might want to send to a particular school? or to a job she might get at the school?
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Was she implying (or saying) that the only reason she was shopping at the SA was because she was trying to help the schools (vs. trying to save money)? yope
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so she was seen in the shop by someone? yes someone she didn't want knowing that she was poor? yesso she pretended that she wasn't in the shop to buy clothes? yes she pretended she was there to give charitably in some way? yope to actually make a donation of something? yope or noishclothes? noother goods? noishrelevant what if so? yes
did she pretend to be in the store gathering information? noabout a school or school system? no
did she pretend she was doing research? no about life as a poor person? no

is the school she pretended to be interested in one that is more likely to be attended by poor people? ierrel
did she say she was trying to find out what sort of people used a particular school? no

did she say her interest related to a child of hers? nowho she might want to send to a particular school? no or to a job she might get at the school? no
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did she pretend she was buying something other than clothes?

is everything in the shop second hand?

do all the proceeds from the shop go to the Salvation Army?

do they sell anything where some or all of the proceeds go somewhere else? to an educational charity? to a local school?

are taxes relevant? local taxes?

does she pretend to buy something where some or all of the proceeds go to some kind of school or school system? or to the state and therefore in some part to a state run schooling system?
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did she pretend she was buying something other than clothes?no

is everything in the shop second hand? yes

do all the proceeds from the shop go to the Salvation Army? yes

do they sell anything where some or all of the proceeds go somewhere else? noto an educational charity? no to a local school? no

are taxes relevant? yes local taxes? yes

does she pretend to buy something no where some or all of the proceeds go to some kind of school or school system? yes or to the state and therefore in some part to a state run schooling system? possibly, except for the buying part
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do the goods in the SA shop carry local taxes added to their price? relevant? do they have the same rate of local tax?

do second hand goods have the same rate of local taxes as new goods? relevant?

so she is in the shop when she sees someone relevant? and prior to seeing them she was probably going to buy some clothes? and she wants to give the person a reason for her being in the shop? that doesn't relate to her buying from them? or does she give a reason for buying from the shop? that doesn't relate to the fact that the goods are cheap? but relates in some way to local taxes?

does she want to imply that spending money in this shop somehow contributes to the public schooling system?
or does she say that she doesn't buy things in this shop because it doesn't help the public schooling system?
does she pretend to be all for state funding of schooling? or against?
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do the goods in the SA shop carry local taxes added to their price? irrel relevant? no do they have the same rate of local tax? irrel

do second hand goods have the same rate of local taxes as new goods? I don't knowrelevant? no

so she is in the shop when she sees someone relevant? yes and prior to seeing them she was probably going to buy some clothes? yes and she wants to give the person a reason for her being in the shop? yes that doesn't relate to her buying from them? yes or does she give a reason for buying from the shop? no that doesn't relate to the fact that the goods are cheap? no but relates in some way to local taxes? no

does she want to imply that spending money in this shop somehow contributes to the public schooling system? no
or does she say that she doesn't buy things in this shop because it doesn't help the public schooling system? no
does she pretend to be all for state funding of schooling? irrel or against? irrel
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Is she claiming to buy clothes to donate to a clothes drive? At a nearby school?
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Is she claiming to buy clothes to donate to a clothes drive? no At a nearby school? no
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is her relationship with the relevant other: professional? personal? is the relevant other an employee of the salvation army? is her relationship with relevant other relevant?
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is her relationship with the relevant other: professional?yope personal? no is the relevant other an employee of the salvation army? no is her relationship with relevant other relevant? yes
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does she say that she is in the shop by accident? by mistake? that she thought it was some other shop? or establishment? related to paying taxes? does she say she is there to pay taxes?

is there some aspect of a salvation army shop that might lead someone to mistake it for something else?

is the relevant other person a client of hers? a pupil? a teacher? a co-worker?

is the link to education in this puzzle just through taxes? does she pretend to say that she is happy to pay taxes because she is happy with the fact that they are used for schooling? or does she give the impression that she wants to avoid taxes? because she is not happy with them being spent on schooling?

does she pretend she is in the SA store in some way to avoid taxes? or reduce the amount she pays?
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does she say that she is in the shop by accident? no by mistake? no that she thought it was some other shop? noor establishment? no related to paying taxes?she says she is there for a reason related to taxes, but she does not pretend she is there by mistake does she say she is there to pay taxes? no

is there some aspect of a salvation army shop that might lead someone to mistake it for something else? no, but you're ORTish (on the right track)

is the relevant other person a client of hers? a pupil? a teacher? a co-worker? no to all

is the link to education in this puzzle just through taxes? yes does she pretend to say that she is happy to pay taxes because she is happy with the fact that they are used for schooling? yope or yesish or does she give the impression that she wants to avoid taxes? no because she is not happy with them being spent on schooling? no

does she pretend she is in the SA store in some way to avoid taxes? no or reduce the amount she pays? no
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the relevant aspect of a salvation army shop: that it sells second hand stuff? that it is staffed by volunteers? that it has old stuff in it? that it sells a mixture of stuff? that it takes donations of goods? that it takes donations of money?
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the relevant aspect of a salvation army shop: that it sells second hand stuff? that it is staffed by volunteers? that it has old stuff in it? that it sells a mixture of stuff? that it takes donations of goods? that it takes donations of money? None of these is relevant!!!!!
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None of them???

Ok - any of these relevant:
that charity shops pay lower rates for their building? pay less in local taxes perhaps? don't have to conform to local rules of business in some way? that they don't tend to have security cameras? that people are less likely to shoplift?

could this be any other charity shop other than SA? presumably you have things like cancer charity and heart charity and kids charity shops over therer? could it be one of these? are any kinds of charity shops precluded?

so she gives another reason for being in the shop? does she say she is going to give money? does she give some reason for liking that charity particularly? does she say that by giving money to the SA she helps their work and thereby allows more of the taxpayers money to go to education rather than the poor/homeless/hungry that the SA look after?
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None of them??? NONE!!!!!

Ok - any of these relevant:
that charity shops pay lower rates for their building? no pay less in local taxes perhaps? no don't have to conform to local rules of business in some way? no that they don't tend to have security cameras? no that people are less likely to shoplift? no

could this be any other charity shop other than SA? presumably you have things like cancer charity and heart charity and kids charity shops over therer?|b{ we do} could it be one of these? possiblyare any kinds of charity shops precluded? I earlier said that physical features of the shop are relevant. Look into this!!

so she gives another reason for being in the shop? yes does she say she is going to give money? noish does she give some reason for liking that charity particularly? no does she say that by giving money to the SA she helps their work and thereby allows more of the taxpayers money to go to education rather than the poor/homeless/hungry that the SA look after? no. But the taxpayers' money going to education IS relevant!!!!!HINT!!!!!!
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is the sum total of the 'interest in education' bit that she appears to want to pay more taxes?

I can't think of any physical way that an SA shop differs from an ordinary shop... are collecting boxes relevant? signage? age of equipment? the shelving? the decor? the carpets? the presence or absence of changing rooms?
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is the sum total of the 'interest in education' bit that she appears to want to pay more taxes?yes

I can't think of any physical way that an SA shop differs from an ordinary shop I didn't say they all did. But this particular one has some important features, as have most, maybe all the ones I've been in. Some other stores have these features, too, which is why I said this puzzle could possibly work for other thrift shops... are collecting boxes relevant? signage? age of equipment? the shelving? the decor? the carpets? the presence or absence of changing rooms? none of these is relevant
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Can I request yet another recap?
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Can I request yet another recap? Add the following to the puzzle statement: Add the following to the puzzle statement. Nyneve was at a Salvation Army store, but the religious aspect of the SA may actually have impeded your solving the puzzle.The relevant aspects of the SA store are physical rather than religious. Taxes for the public schools are involved. Nyneve did not pretend to be buying anything.
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OK, so would the following be correct?

We have...
1) Nyneve pretended to be interested in education.
2) The purpose of (1) was in an effort to conceal the fact that her level of income is below a level at which she would be considered poor according to government standards.
3) At some unidentified point in the past, Nyneve's physical location was a Salvation Army store.
4) The religious aspect of the Salvation Army may actually have impeded our solving the puzzle.
5) The relevant aspects of the SA store are physical.
6) Religious aspects of SA are not relevant.
7) Taxes for public schools are involved.
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OK, so would the following be correct?

We have...
1) Nyneve pretended to be interested in education. yes
2) The purpose of (1) was in an effort to conceal the fact that her level of income is below a level at which she would be considered poor according to government standards. yes
3) At some unidentified point in the past, Nyneve's physical location was a Salvation Army store. No--the pretense took place at the store, where she ran into an acquaintance & pretended she was not there because she needed to buy second-hand goods
4) The religious aspect of the Salvation Army may actually have impeded our solving the puzzle. yes
5) The relevant aspects of the SA store are physical. yes. Find out what they are!!
6) Religious aspects of SA are not relevant.yes
7) Taxes for public schools are involved. yes
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So she was there shopping?
And she pretended not to be shopping?
But rather that she just likes to walk around the store?
And educate herself on how people pay taxes for public schools?
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So she was there shopping? yes
And she pretended not to be shopping? yes
But rather that she just likes to walk around the store? no
And educate herself on how people pay taxes for public schools? no
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So I guess we have to figure out what her excuse was?
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So I guess we have to figure out what her excuse was? yes
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So, technically, the puzzle as stated has been solved and now we're looking for the details of how an SA store provides funds for education? Is scrip relevant? Does this benefit go to schools when people buy things? When they donate things? When SA pays property taxes?
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Did she pretend she was a college professor gathering information upon which to base her next LTP?
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So, technically, the puzzle as stated has been solved NO!!!!!!! You must find out how going to a SA store could further anyone's interest in public education. Until you find that out, the puzzle is most certasinly not solved!!!and now we're looking for the details of how an SA store provides funds for education?False assumption: I didn't say a SA store "provides funds for public education."There's another sort of possibility that everyone seems to have overlooked so far. Is scrip relevant? no Does this benefit go to schools when people buy things? noWhen they donate things? noWhen SA pays property taxes? no
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Did she pretend she was a college professor gathering information upon which to base her next LTP? No. When I go to SA stores, I do so openly, to buy things not available elsewhere, such as scarves of fox tails biting one another's heads.
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Is she supporting SA because they have after-school programs? Counseling? Tutoring?
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Is she supporting SA because they have after-school programs? Counseling? Tutoring? No to all
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So she pretended she wasn't shopping there?
She pretended to...
Work there?
Live there?
Otherwise fulfill professional obligations?
Perform firefighter duties?
Perhaps she is doing a study on stores?
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So she pretended she wasn't shopping there? yes
She pretended to...
Work there? no
Live there? no
Otherwise fulfill professional obligations? no
Perform firefighter duties? no
Perhaps she is doing a study on stores? no
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She pretended she was...

Conducting an undercover drug bust?
Doing surveillance on a murder suspect?
Donating old dictionaries?
Trying to find a missing person?
Hunting for treasure?
Only coming in to ask them if she could use their phone because her car got a flat tire?
Trying to lose the tail (i.e., the spies following her)?
Pretending to shop in order to try to influence people to purchase things subconsciously?
Pretending to shop in order to make a store look more busy?

Would this also work if the store was an average dollar store or other form of thrift store that doesn't have non-profit status?
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She pretended she was...

Conducting an undercover drug bust?
Doing surveillance on a murder suspect?
Donating old dictionaries?
Trying to find a missing person?
Hunting for treasure?
Only coming in to ask them if she could use their phone because her car got a flat tire?
Trying to lose the tail (i.e., the spies following her)?
Pretending to shop in order to try to influence people to purchase things subconsciously?
Pretending to shop in order to make a store look more busy? none of the above!!

Would this also work if the store was an average dollar store or other form of thrift store that doesn't have non-profit status? yes.As I've mentioned, what's relevant about the SA store are its physical features. Find out which ones!!
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Physical features of an SA store...

Color?
Length?
Height?
Width?
Weight?
Density?
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Physical features of an SA store...

Color? no
Length? relevant
Height? no
Width? relevant
Weight? no
Density? no
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Could this also be true of a 7-11 sized SA store? Perhaps one the size of the Pentagon?
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Could this also be true of a 7-11 sized SA store? no Perhaps one the size of the Pentagon? yes
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Would she be able to have this excuse in a building that was of the necessary size and/or had all the necessary physical properties but that was not used for the sale of goods?
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Would she be able to have this excuse in a building that was of the necessary size and/or had all the necessary physical properties but that was not used for the sale of goods? Yes, but she wouldn't need it, because a visit to a SA store makes you look poor precisely because cheap stuff is sold there.
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Was she pretending to be volunteering there in some capacity? Dropping off something?
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Was she pretending to be volunteering there in some capacity? no Dropping off something? no
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Are any aircraft relevant?
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Are any aircraft relevant?no
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Would she be able to have this excuse "outside", if that makes any sense?
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Would she be able to have this excuse "outside", if that makes any sense? She doesn't need the excuse unless she's in the store or is seen leaving it or obviously about to enter it. She could huse the excuse in the latter two circumstances.
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HINT: An obvious sort of general possibility has so far been overlooked.
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Was she there to sell/donate clothes?
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do some type of clothing drive? charity something whatnot?
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Was she there to sell/donate clothes? no
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do some type of clothing drive? no charity something whatnot? no
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Did she pretend to buy something? Sell something? Ask for something? Shelter herself from rain?
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Did she pretend to buy something? no Sell something? no Ask for something? yopeShelter herself from rain? no
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Does she pretend to get some information? If so, by asking? looking? any other way?
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Does she pretend to get some information? no If so, by asking? nolooking? no any other way? no
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Was she looking for a job? Or job training? Work of some kind?
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Was she looking for a job? no Or job training? no Work of some kind? no
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She was a fire marshal looking to bag some trash.
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She was a fire marshal looking to bag some trash. no
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so as I remember this puzzle - we have a woman who is in a salvation army shop? or going in? or coming out? intending to look for cheap stuff because she is relatively poor? but she is then seen by someone she knoes? who she wants to hide her poverty from? so she gives another reason for being there? and that reason relates in some way to paying taxes local taxes? and it is the paying of taxes that links her to the idea that she is interested in education? as the taxes will, to some extent, be paying for the education? and there is some relevant physical aspect of the store? that is common to some other charity stores?

is the physical aspect of the store the size? the layout? the shelving? the lighting? the ambient music? the way things show their prices? the number of people in them? the type of people serving? the decor?
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Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 9:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)HI HANNAH! WELCOME BACK!
so as I remember this puzzle - we have a woman who is in a salvation army shop?possibly} or going in? possibly or coming out? possibly intending to look for cheap stuff because she is relatively poor? yes but she is then seen by someone she knoes? yes who she wants to hide her poverty from? yes so she gives another reason for being there? yes and that reason relates in some way to paying taxes local taxes? yes and it is the paying of taxes that links her to the idea that she is interested in education? as the taxes will, to some extent, be paying for the education? yesand there is some relevant physical aspect of the store? yesthat is common to some other charity stores? irrel

is the physical aspect of the store the size? yesthe layout? yes the shelving? no the lighting? noish the ambient music? no the way things show their prices? nothe number of people in them? yesish the type of people serving? nothe decor? no. And there are other relevant physical aspects that you haven't mentioned
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Is the lottery relevant?
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Is the lottery relevant?no
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Are the relevant physical aspects of the SA store similar to those which would commonly be used in a public school? Did Nyneve pretend to be examining these aspects?
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Are the relevant physical aspects of the SA store similar to those which would commonly be used in a public school?yes Did Nyneve pretend to be examining these aspects? no
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HINT: WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT LOCAL TAXES ARE RELEVANT. THINK OF THE MOST OBVIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH SOMEONE MIGHT ACT ON HIS VIEWS ABOUT LOCAL TAXES.
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She's there with a petition to increase taxes!
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She's there with a petition to increase taxes! No, but this is the FIRST QUESTION that's ORT. Remember, though, that she went to the SA store to buy cheap clothes & PRETENDED to be there for an education-related reason when she ran into someone she knew.ANOTHER HINT: If the person sahe ran into wasn't also poor & buying cheap stuff, why was that person there?
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Are the taxes used to fund the schools property taxes? sales taxes? income taxes? something else?

Does our heroine pretend that she wants to pay more in taxes herself? that she wants everybody to pay more taxes? that she wants only some people to pay more taxes? that she wants to ensure that people are paying the taxes they owe? that taxes are being fairly assessed?

Does she pretend to be particularly concerned with the taxes the SA store is/should be paying?

Did our heroine's acquaintance visit the SA shop for reasons to do with taxes?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 1:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hi Bizzard! Nice to habe your smarp claws & mind back on my puzzles!
Are the taxes used to fund the schools property taxes? sales taxes? income taxes? something else?Could be any of these, but property taxes are most likely

Does our heroine pretend that she wants to pay more in taxes herself? yes that she wants everybody to pay more taxes? possiblythat she wants only some people to pay more taxes? possiblythat she wants to ensure that people are paying the taxes they owe? no that taxes are being fairly assessed? no

Does she pretend to be particularly concerned with the taxes the SA store is/should be paying? no

Did our heroine's acquaintance visit the SA shop for reasons to do with taxes? yes
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Can Nyneve's acquaintance have a name?

Did Nyneve pretend to visit the SA shop for the same reason as her acquaintance really did visit the SA shop?

Did Nyneve pretend that she had gotten a tax break that she didn't want? that she had gotten a tax break by mistake?

Do the two "possibly"s in the above post add up to a "yes"? That is, did Nyneve pretend that she wanted at least some other people, in addition to herself, to pay more in taxes?
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Can Nyneve's acquaintance have a name? Yes. How about Lenore?

Did Nyneve pretend to visit the SA shop for the same reason as her acquaintance really did visit the SA shop? yes

Did Nyneve pretend that she had gotten a tax break that she didn't want? no that she had gotten a tax break by mistake? no

Do the two "possibly"s in the above post add up to a "yes"? That is, did Nyneve pretend that she wanted at least some other people, in addition to herself, to pay more in taxes? Certainly some & probably, but not necessarily, all
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So Lenore has gone into the SA shop because she wants school taxes to be higher for herself and also for some (probably all) other people? Does Lenore want this because she, too, is interested in education?

Are elections relevant? Is the SA shop a polling place?
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So Lenore has gone into the SA shop because she wants school taxes to be higher for herself and also for some (probably all) other people? yes Does Lenore want this because she, too, is interested in education? yes--or maybe she's just generally liberal--like me!!

Are elections relevant? yes Is the SA shop a polling place? YES!!!!!!!!!

********** SPOILER *****************
For some silly reason, Nyneve is ashamed of being poor enough to need to buy clothing at a Salvation Army store. She's also so little interested in politics that she doesn't even realize that the local SA store is also her polling place. So she goes to the store on the day of a referendum about taxes--& runs into Lenore, who is there to vote. So Nyneve pretends that she, too, is there to vote in a referendum about raising taxes for public education. This puzzle is inspired by the fact that my polling place is my local SA store. ('Nyneve' is another name for Nimue in Malory.) ALL HAIL TO A CLEVER BUZZARD FOR SWOOPING DOWN & GETTING THIS PUZZLE FINALLY SOLVED!! She & all the rest of you will find my new one you know where.

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