| Author | Message | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 140 Registered: 9-2008 |
If they could have done it without killing anybody, they would have. But even they had to kill people to do it, it still had to be done, or else far more lives would have been in danger. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 458 Registered: 5-2003 |
True story? Wartime? Are "they" H/A/M? Are "they" pacifists? "They" = 2, 3, 4 or more people? Exact number relevant? The people killed = Less than 10? Less than 100? Less than 1000? Less than 10,000? Exact number relevant? Location relevant? Time period relevant? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 684 Registered: 12-2004 |
World War II | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2008 |
True story? Yes. Wartime? Yes. Are "they" H/A/M? Yes. Are "they" pacifists? No. "They" = 2, 3, 4 or more people? More than 4. Exact number relevant? No. The people killed = Less than 10? Less than 100? Less than 1000? Between 100 and 1000 most likely. Less than 10,000? Exact number relevant? No. Location relevant? Yes. Time period relevant? Yes. World War II? YES! | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 691 Registered: 12-2004 |
Anything to do with liberating people from the Axis powers? Anything to do with utilizing nuclear weapons to prevent having to use troops to invade Japan, thereby saving the lives of countless Americans? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1452 Registered: 6-2005 |
Sounds like Doctapeppa got it, but just in case... Anything to do with the Jews? The Germans? The Russians? Axis powers? Ally powers? Discovering the solution to the German codes & message transmission? Bombing plans? Submarines? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 143 Registered: 9-2008 |
Anything to do with liberating people from the Axis powers? Yope. Anything to do with utilizing nuclear weapons to prevent having to use troops to invade Japan, thereby saving the lives of countless Americans? No, that's NOT what I was looking for. That would be way too easy. And as I said, fewer than 1000 people were killed, so it couldn't have been the dropping of atom bombs on Japan. Plus, I said "If they could have done it without killing anybody, they would have." The allies COULD have dropped the bombs on uninhabited regions. I put that sentence into the problem statement PRECISELY to exclude that alternate solution. What I'm looking for is far more subtle and a LOT less well-known. Anything to do with the Jews? No. The Germans? Yes. The Russians? No. Axis powers? Yes. Ally powers? Yes. Discovering the solution to the German codes & message transmission? Bombing plans? Submarines? No to rest. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 698 Registered: 12-2004 |
Some sort of attack by the Allies against the Axis Powers? Some sort of attack by the Axis Powers against the Allies? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 148 Registered: 9-2008 |
Some sort of attack by the Allies against the Axis Powers? This one. Some sort of attack by the Axis Powers against the Allies? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 707 Registered: 12-2004 |
Was the attack mainly led by the Soviet Union? A different specific nation? Was the main target Germany? A different specific nation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 464 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything to do with a specific attack? On Allied nations under German occupation? Bombing Allied people to destroy Axis materiel? St. Nazaire? Peenemunde? Was the attack by land, sea or air? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 712 Registered: 12-2004 |
Would the answer be the same as if the puzzle read as follows: If they could have done it without killing anybody, they would have. But even though they had to kill people to do it, it still had to be done, or else far more lives would have been in danger. If not, did I make a FA? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 150 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was the attack mainly led by the Soviet Union? No. A different specific nation? I think just the Allies in general, but I'm not sure. Was the main target Germany? Yes, but indirectly. A different specific nation? Yes, but its purpose was to hurt Germany. Anything to do with a specific attack? Yes. On Allied nations under German occupation? More like a neutral country under Axis occupation. Bombing Allied people to destroy Axis materiel? Yesish. St. Nazaire? Peenemunde? None of these. Was the attack by land, sea or air? It was done by land-based forces, but there's a twist (and some possible FA's). Would the answer be the same as if the puzzle read as follows: If they could have done it without killing anybody, they would have. But even though they had to kill people to do it, it still had to be done, or else far more lives would have been in danger. Yes, the answer would be the same. People were killed in this attack. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 753 Registered: 12-2004 |
Neutral? Is Switzerland involved? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 754 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did? The? Allies? Kill? Neutral? Civilians? Did? The? Allies? Kill? Axis? Troops? Did? The? Allies? Kill? Allied? Civilians? Did? The? Allies? Kill? Allied? Troops? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Neutral? Civilians? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Allied? Troops? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Allied? Civilians? Did the "land-based forces" include... Allied troops? Infantry? Mechanized infantry? Half-tracks? Tanks? Paratroopers? Chuck Norris? Did the "victim" of the attack have anything to do with Germany? Axis occupation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 466 Registered: 5-2003 |
The raid on the heavy-water plant in Norway? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2008 |
Neutral? Is Switzerland involved? No. Did? The? Allies? Kill? Neutral? Civilians? This one. Did? The? Allies? Kill? Axis? Troops? Did? The? Allies? Kill? Allied? Civilians? Did? The? Allies? Kill? Allied? Troops? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Neutral? Civilians? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Allied? Troops? Did? The? Axis Powers? Kill? Allied? Civilians? Did the "land-based forces" include... Allied troops? Infantry? Mechanized infantry? Half-tracks? Tanks? Paratroopers? Chuck Norris? I don't know for sure, except that Chuck Norris wasn't involved. Did the "victim" of the attack have anything to do with Germany? Axis occupation? Clarify. The raid on the heavy-water plant in Norway? YES!!!! But WHICH raid, specifically (there were several, but only one killed hundreds of innocent civilians). | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 764 Registered: 12-2004 |
Which raid, huh? Was it: One of the ones that Chuck Norris was involved in? The one that didn't kill hundreds of innocent civilians? The one that killed hundreds of innocent civilians? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 468 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hm. There was the one which succeeded, and there were the ones which failed and got a bunch of civilians shot in reprisals. Relevant? Oh, wait, wasn't the heavy water on a ship? A passenger vessel? And they put limpet mines on it, waited until it was out on the water, then sank it with its crew and innocent passengers so that it couldn't be recovered? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 154 Registered: 9-2008 |
Hm. There was the one which succeeded, and there were the ones which failed and got a bunch of civilians shot in reprisals. Relevant? Oh, wait, wasn't the heavy water on a ship? A passenger vessel? And they put limpet mines on it, waited until it was out on the water, then sank it with its crew and innocent passengers so that it couldn't be recovered? Yes, you've got it. **********************SPOILER******************** During World War II, Nazi Germany imported large quantities of heavy water (i.e. water containing deuterium instead of regular hydrogen) from a plant in Norway (a neutral country occupied by Axis forces for most of the war) for use in its atom bomb project (it was a moderator used in reactors to produce fissile plutonium, as I recall). The Allies, fearing that their own nuclear program was lagging behind Germany's (which, with hindsight, it probably wasn't), decided to go all out to sabotage Germany's program, and the heavy water was the weak link. They bombed the Norwegian factory several times, but each time the Nazis managed to get it restarted quickly. Therefore, the Allies (aided by Norwegian resistance forces) resorted to a final, desperate measure to interrupt the shipment of heavy water back to Germany. The one place that was possible was at a spot in Norway where the heavy water had to cross a lake on a ferry (everywhere else the shipment was too well protected). So they placed bombs on the ferry and sank it, despite the fact that the ferry was also a passenger ferry, and many innocent civilians died. Although later evidence now suggests that Germany's nuclear program was not as far along as the Allies believed (and therefore, the sinking of the ferry may not have been necessary), at the time, it was feared that without the sabotage of the heavy water shipment, Hitler's Germany might have won the nuclear race, and millions more lives might have been in danger. Thanks for playing! I'll try to think of another puzzle, but it might be a little while. |
