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Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 1:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is woubit's Christmas puzzle for 2008. At present, you have nothing to go on except the title. Good luck.
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Is this woubit's christmas puzzle?
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Is this woubit's christmas puzzle? no
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Did anyone call? for a christmas puzzle?
Are we supposed to complete the sentence "If anyone calls .."?
Is this a puzzle at all?
Is it related to Christmas?
Will it last until Christmas?
Relevant that you posted it today (Dec 9)?
Four calling birds relevant? (which, actually, were four colly birds)
Is the title an anagram of something relevant?
Are we supposed to find out anything at all?
Will your answers be consistent throughout the whole puzzle?
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Did anyone call? for a christmas puzzle? no - they just happen once a year
Are we supposed to complete the sentence "If anyone calls .."? not yet
Is this a puzzle at all? yes
Is it related to Christmas? yes
Will it last until Christmas? the last two woubit Christmas puzzles have lasted until the twelve days of Christmas were over. I do not know whether this will share the same fate.
Relevant that you posted it today (Dec 9)? the date has no special significance
Four calling birds relevant? (which, actually, were four colly birds) not this time - that was some other puzzle
Is the title an anagram of something relevant? if it is, it is not so intentionally
Are we supposed to find out anything at all? yes
Will your answers be consistent throughout the whole puzzle? I make no guarantees, but this is not primarily a Kafkaesque puzzle
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Is this puzzle in the same style as all the Christmas puzzle? Do we have to interpret the title as a clue for a tune?

Assuming yes to the previous questions...
If anyone calls, should I answer? Should you? Should anyone? Are any of the words "if anyone calls" part of a song title? Lyrics?
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Is this puzzle in the same style as all the Christmas puzzle? Do we have to interpret the title as a clue for a tune? last year's puzzle did indeed have to do with Christmas songs, but this one does not. Your first mission, should you wish to accept it, is to discover exactly what this puzzle is about - a clue has been provided in the puzzle statement.

If anyone calls, should I answer? Should you? Should anyone? someone should Are any of the words "if anyone calls" part of a song title? Lyrics? neither
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Does the puzzle have anything to do with a present? Presents? Luck?
Does it matter who calls? How they call? Is the caller human? Anything to do with phone calls? Animal calls? Calling on someone by phone? By coming to their door?
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Does the puzzle have anything to do with a present? Presents? this one Luck?
Does it matter who calls? yes How they call? yes Is the caller human? no Anything to do with phone calls? Animal calls? Calling on someone by phone? By coming to their door? none of these
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Is the year 2008 relevant? Anything that happened during the year? Finance? Employment?
One of those automated phone calls trying to sell you a new kitchen - just when you have a saucepan in one hand, a spoon in the other and a plate in the third?
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Does call in this puzzle mean to call on or visit? Is the stork relevant?

Any jokes involved? if so are we looking for a punchline?
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Is the year 2008 relevant? Anything that happened during the year? Finance? Employment? this puzzle is not particularly concerned with the events of the year 2008
One of those automated phone calls trying to sell you a new kitchen - just when you have a saucepan in one hand, a spoon in the other and a plate in the third? nor, I am afraid, with new kitchens

Does call in this puzzle mean to call on or visit? yes Is the stork relevant? no

Any jokes involved? there may be if so are we looking for a punchline? no
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Does this call or visit have a christmas theme? is there more than one caller? are they or it an animal? are they tangible?

Anything to with the weather? outer space? religous aspects? (these may seem like wild musings but i'm working on a theory)
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Does this call or visit have a christmas theme? very much so is there more than one caller? yes are they or it an animal? yes, for svv of "animal" are they tangible? yes

Anything to with the weather? outer space? religious aspects? this is closest, but not all that close (these may seem like wild musings but i'm working on a theory)
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Carol singers? Postmen? Parcel delivery men? Reindeer?
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Carol singers? Postmen? Parcel delivery men? Reindeer? this one, and therefore of course...
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Santa calls the reindeers! Is that right? oh wait...
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Santa calls the reindeers! Is that right? oh wait... well, Santa does indeed call the reindeer, but for the purposes of this puzzle, Santa is calling on a group of people
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Elves?

Is the clue in the word 'at present' or just 'present'?
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Elves? elves were no doubt involved in the making of the presents that Santa has in his sack

Is the clue in the word 'at present' or just 'present'? either would do - the position is now that Santa Claus is on his way to deliver Christmas presents to those who have been nice rather than naughty
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Has some politically correct ruling affected Santa's delivery mo?
In many places he's not allowed to be sitting when he meets children in case they attempt to sit in his lap. Has this made him too tired to deliver presents?
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Anything to do with having buy exorbitant 'presents' from Santa in order to be allowed to see him?
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Has some politically correct ruling affected Santa's delivery mo? no, but something has gone seriously wrong with it
In many places he's not allowed to be sitting when he meets children in case they attempt to sit in his lap. Has this made him too tired to deliver presents? he is happy to deliver presents just as soon as he can work out...
Anything to do with having buy exorbitant 'presents' from Santa in order to be allowed to see him? no
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Has someone blocked off a chimney? Has someone stolen road signs? Is he using SatNav?
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Has someone blocked off a chimney? Has someone stolen road signs? Is he using SatNav? as yet, there are no physical obstructions to the delivery of presents. The only thing is...
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Has he mislaid his wish lists? Has he encountered problems in getting hold of the presents in the first place? Is Santa using any electronic technologies in the first part of this puzzle?
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Has he mislaid his wish lists? well, the effect would be the same as if he had, so I will tell you that although he has a sackful of presents, all the labels have fallen off, so he has no idea what to deliver to whom Has he encountered problems in getting hold of the presents in the first place? no - there are plenty of presents, each of the finest quality Is Santa using any electronic technologies in the first part of this puzzle? no
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So the challenge facing jolly old St Nick is to find who each present is for? Are they wrapped? If so in Christmas paper? or does he have a pink for girls blue for boys wrapping system going on? Does he enlist anybody's help? I fancy Supermans x-ray vision would come in handy and save Santa unwrapping each present? Is a consequence of the labels falling off that Santa ends up being late on his rounds leading to masses of dissappointed children (I hope not)?
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So the challenge facing jolly old St Nick is to find who each present is for? indeed, and he is going to need some assistance Are they wrapped? yes If so in Christmas paper? yes or does he have a pink for girls blue for boys wrapping system going on? in these politically correct times? one would hope not Does he enlist anybody's help? yours, if you would be so good I fancy Supermans x-ray vision would come in handy and save Santa unwrapping each present? it might, but unless you are actually equipped with Superman's x-ray vision, you will need some other method Is a consequence of the labels falling off that Santa ends up being late on his rounds leading to masses of disappointed children (I hope not)? fear not. It is always midnight at the North Pole.
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Has Santa acually left the North Pole when he discovers the label crises? If so has he arrived at his first port of call when he realises he has a problem? So do i have to help him solve this by logical methods only? I can't invoke any magic of any kind? Can I use some technology to assist me? Would shaking the parcels help?
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Has Santa acually left the North Pole when he discovers the label crises? yes If so has he arrived at his first port of call when he realises he has a problem? you may assume that he does not know where his first port of call is, so he has come to the only place he knows where impossible problems are solved on a regular basis - the LTPF So do I have to help him solve this by logical methods only? not at all - illogical methods are as likely, if not more likely, to work I can't invoke any magic of any kind? no, not really, but... Can I use some technology to assist me? you can try Would shaking the parcels help? it might not help you very much, but...
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Does he have a specific number of presents? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7-10? 11-30? More than 30? Or (as I suspect) an as yet indeterminate number to be decided over the course of the festive season?

Did he wrap them himself? Are they in sacks? If so, did he pack the sack himself? Might any other person have tampered with the sacks before he packed them? Does he have any liquids or gels over 100ml? Does he fly on an aircraft or just the usual sleigh arrangement?

Do any of the presents emit a distinctive smell?
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Does he have a specific number of presents? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7-10? 11-30? More than 30? Or (as I suspect) an as yet indeterminate number to be decided over the course of the festive season? he has, as usual, a full sack. It would be possible to empty it and count the presents, but it would be rather pointless.

Did he wrap them himself? it might be more accurate to say that them wrapped them. Who's them? Why, them's elves. Are they in sacks? only one sack If so, did he pack the sack himself? yes Might any other person have tampered with the sacks before he packed them? no Does he have any liquids or gels over 100ml? no - you see, the poor fellow has as yet had no chance to collect the tots of sherry traditionally left for him by grateful gift recipients Does he fly on an aircraft or just the usual sleigh arrangement? the latter - no one with any sense flies on aircraft these days

Do any of the presents emit a distinctive smell? now you come to mention it, yes
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I bet the present with the distinctive smell is scented lotion for a well estimated member of this forum, isn't it?
Is it a pleasant smell, at any rate?
Are the presents, or some of it, for the members of the LPF? (for the nice ones, that is, according to the old rule)
Does Santa still have the list? Does he still know of any of the possible recipients whether he's good or bad?
Might Santa consider the following suggestion: Gather all potential recipients of a present in a circle. Let the first one pick a present and unwrap it. Then he/she choses who receives this present. Then this person continues in the same way with the next present, and so on until all presents are handed over.
This would surely not give each child the present intended for him/her, but at least distribute the presents in a way that everybody would regard as equally fair or equally unfair.
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I bet the present with the distinctive smell is scented lotion for a well estimated member of this forum, isn't it? no, of course not. This is a woubit Christmas puzzle, not a seminar on the blindingly obvious. However...
Is it a pleasant smell, at any rate? no, but...
Are the presents, or some of it, for the members of the LTPF? ...very much so (for the nice ones, that is, according to the old rule)
Does Santa still have the list? no Does he still know of any of the possible recipients whether he's good or bad? certainly only you and Santa know if you've been bad or good. Myself, I cannot tell.
Might Santa consider the following suggestion: Gather all potential recipients of a present in a circle. Let the first one pick a present and unwrap it. Then he/she choses who receives this present. Then this person continues in the same way with the next present, and so on until all presents are handed over.
This would surely not give each child the present intended for him/her, but at least distribute the presents in a way that everybody would regard as equally fair or equally unfair. he might. But he's a bit busy at the moment, so he might equally defer this excellent suggestion until January 7th, when his annual holiday begins.
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Does it smell like some sort of food? cheese? fish? or, maybe, rotten food?
Or does it smell like an animal?
Could you please take it in your hand .. could it be a little hedgehog?
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Are the packages different shapes? Would it help to explore this further?
Does any emit heat? sound? light?
Do they all smell the same? Does only one have a distinctive smell? do they all smell different?
Does any move without help from Santa?
Did the elves have a method when they wrapped? Related to the kind of paper? its colour?
Are they all wrapped in paper? other material?
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Does it smell like some sort of food? it does cheese? fish? or, maybe, rotten food? but not as strong as these - it smells vaguely exotic, though
Or does it smell like an animal? no
Could you please take it in your hand .. could it be a little hedgehog? it would not be kind to wrap a little hedgehog in Christmas paper

Are the packages different shapes? indeed Would it help to explore this further? certainly
Does any emit heat? sound? light? one of them appears to contain an object that emits a beam of light, yes
Do they all smell the same? no Does only one have a distinctive smell? only one that you have so far picked up do they all smell different? most of them do not smell of anything at all
Does any move without help from Santa? no, but...
Did the elves have a method when they wrapped? other than normal elvish efficiency, none is discernible at the moment Related to the kind of paper? its colour? there may be a pattern to be found, but you have precious little to go on as yet
Are they all wrapped in paper? most of them other material? one or two appear to be wrapped in some kind of metal foil
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Does everybody who contributes to your puzzle in the form of intelligent or a 'reasonable facsimile thereof' questions get a present? Or does everybody who is registered on the LTPF get one? Does Paul get the biggest one? Or maybe the smallest one as they tend to be more valuable?
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Does everybody who contributes to your puzzle in the form of intelligent or a 'reasonable facsimile thereof' questions get a present? it is possible, but only Santa knows for sure - or at least he would know, if he hadn't lost all the labels Or does everybody who is registered on the LTPF get one? that too is possible Does Paul get the biggest one? Or maybe the smallest one as they tend to be more valuable? it's not the present - it's the thought that counts
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Let's have a sniff at the smelly one again. Does it actually smell awful? Is the exotic aroma some sort of spice? Some herb? Fungus? Sandalwood? Patchouli? Cannabis? Does the smelly one feel soft and squishy?
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Let's have a sniff at the smelly one again. Does it actually smell awful? no Is the exotic aroma some sort of spice? Some herb? curiously enough, it seems to be both of these - there is an aroma of nutmeg and a hint of some herb you can't quite place Fungus? Sandalwood? Patchouli? Cannabis? none of these, however Does the smelly one feel soft and squishy? no - it feels like there is a box inside the wrapping paper
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Is it a box of pot pourri, beloved of well, pot pourri lovers?
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Is it a box of pot pourri, beloved of well, pot pourri lovers? unlikely - a box of pot pourri would have more distinguishable odours than this one, which smells of nutmeg and one particular herb
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Are there any gifts wrapped with paper adorned with Gothic artwork? Religious iconography? Numbers? Scientific formulas? Symbols of currency?

Did Santa bring a gift for me? =)
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Are there any gifts wrapped with paper adorned with Gothic artwork? not that I can see Religious iconography? many of the presents are wrapped in paper with the usual scenes from the Nativity Numbers? one of the presents, however, is wrapped in paper that bears the number 11,200 and is tied not with the usual gaudy ribbon but with a plain, strong twine Scientific formulas? Symbols of currency?

Did Santa bring a gift for me? =) Have you been good?
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The one that emits a beam of light - is there an on/off switch? Or is it permanently beaming? Is it a torch? (to read the Beano under the bedcovers)

The nutmeg and herb one - is it edible? Is the herb difficult to identify because it's rare?

Any frankinscence and myrhh amongst the smellies?

The number 11,200 - does this represent something mathematical? scientific? Is there a particular reason why it is wrapped plainly? Any recycling going on here?
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The one that emits a beam of light - is there an on/off switch? not on the outside of the parcel, no Or is it permanently beaming? yes, but the beam is not steady - it is waving about somewhat erratically Is it a torch? (to read the Beano under the bedcovers) it does not seem to be a torch

The nutmeg and herb one - is it edible? no Is the herb difficult to identify because it's rare? it is difficult to identify because you cannot unwrap the present, since Santa will not permit this until we have identified the intended recipient. It is not one of the common herbs used in cooking, but it is not altogether rare.

Any frankinscence and myrhh amongst the smellies? no

The number 11,200 - does this represent something mathematical? well, it is not a prime... scientific? no Is there a particular reason why it is wrapped plainly? not that I can discern, but it is the only one tied with twine Any recycling going on here? not yet, although no doubt some of the presents will eventually end up back at Marks and Spencers, as they do every year
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So you can see the beam through the wrappings of the parcel? Is it something that permanently beams? Or has its switch been knocked on?
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So you can see the beam through the wrappings of the parcel? yes Is it something that permanently beams? no - it beams at the behest of its user Or has its switch been knocked on? well, its user presumably thought that the beam of light should be activated.

That is: inside a Christmas present, there is a beam of light being waved around by some one or some thing. If you can identify who or what is waving this light beam around, it will assist you greatly.
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Any relation between the package with the beam of light and the package wrapped in twine? Is there an elf inside the package with the beam of light? Was the beam of light accidently placed in the package? Is it regular white light? Like from a flashlight? Or is the light colored? Is the light being waved by some type of animal? Or some type of mechanical means?
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Any relation between the package with the beam of light and the package wrapped in twine? no Is there an elf inside the package with the beam of light? no Was the beam of light accidently placed in the package? no Is it regular white light? no - excellent question Like from a flashlight? Or is the light colored? indeed, and to save you invoking the LTPF List of Colo[u]rs I will tell you that it is red light Is the light being waved by some type of animal? no, but... Or some type of mechanical means? yes, but...
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Is something alive waving the light? Robotic? Clockwork? Is the light attached to the "waver" - i.e. an integral part of it/him? Is it a toy? a gadget?
Is this Santa's present to himself? to Rudolph?
Is the herb grown in this country?
Will Santa allow us to count the parcels? Are there less then 10, less than fifty?
Are any soft and squishy? are they all rigid as if boxed?
Does any contain something edible? a plant? something audible? potentially audible (like a CD)?
Is there a spherical one? a cube? pyramid?
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Is something alive waving the light? yes Robotic? and yes Clockwork? but no Is the light attached to the "waver" - i.e. an integral part of it/him? no Is it a toy? far from it a gadget? you could call it that, but...
Is this Santa's present to himself? no to Rudolph? no
Is the herb grown in this country? yes, among other places
Will Santa allow us to count the parcels? Are there less then 10, no less than fifty? yes
Are any soft and squishy? a couple of them, would just about fit this description, yes are they all rigid as if boxed? but most of the rest would fit this one, although they are not all box-like
Does any contain something edible? perhaps, but we will not know for sure until we open them a plant? likewise something audible? potentially audible (like a CD)? and likewise
Is there a spherical one? yes a cube? well, there are various cuboids, but no exact cube pyramid? no
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Is something alive waving the light? Robotic? Clockwork? Is the light attached to the "waver" - i.e. an integral part of it/him? Is it a toy? a gadget?
Is this Santa's present to himself? to Rudolph?
Is the herb grown in this country?
Will Santa allow us to count the parcels? Are there less then 10, less than fifty?
Are any soft and squishy? are they all rigid as if boxed?
Does any contain something edible? a plant? something audible? potentially audible (like a CD)?
Is there a spherical one? a cube? pyramid?
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Dash - sorry about that!
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Is the parcel with the light smaller than a walnut? a fist? a book? a cat? a fridge? a car? a house? (Santa's sack has infinite depth I presume)
Alive in the sense that two of them could procreate? Is the robotic element added to the "live" element?
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Is the parcel with the light smaller than a walnut? a fist? a book? a cat? it is about the size of a cat a fridge? a car? a house? (Santa's sack has infinite depth I presume)
Alive in the sense that two of them could procreate? no Is the robotic element added to the "live" element? yes
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Poor Santa!
Does he need us to identify the objects inside the presents AND the recipients?
If so, will the recipients be well-known/famous?
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Poor Santa!
Does he need us to identify the objects inside the presents AND the recipients? he can do both at the same time - you see, the presents are, shall we say, appropriate to the recipients
If so, will the recipients be well-known/famous? in the wide world no, but around here...
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Ok . I need to clarify something.

Are the only receipients of the pressies in Santa's sack members of the LTPF? If not is it our job to isolate those that are from all the other good boys and girls? Or if so do we simply need to establish which parcel is for which user , yes? Are the things like the beam the twine clues to various LTPF users? Is there a present in there for me? I've been very good this year except for the already documented Christmas party excesses.

Does 11,200 relate to a particular combination of post on the LTPF?
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Are the only receipients of the pressies in Santa's sack members of the LTPF? yes If not is it our job to isolate those that are from all the other good boys and girls? no Or if so do we simply need to establish which parcel is for which user , yes? yes Are the things like the beam the twine clues to various LTPF users? some of them are Is there a present in there for me? I should think so I've been very good this year except for the already documented Christmas party excesses.

Does 11,200 relate to a particular combination of post on the LTPF? no

I should add here that obviously, one could invoke the LTPF List of LTPF Members and ask "Is this present for X?" But that would be very naughty and not nice at all.
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Hmm - is there a teeny tiny mini present amongst them, perchance?
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Are there clues in the wrapping paper that would help Santa identify the receipient i.e. the colour ? The pattern? the pictures depicted thereon?

Would knowing each member of the LTPF's nationality help? Some familiarity with puzzles they've hosted? number of puzzles? recurring themes in their puzzles? I take it for the sake of this puzzle Santa has never visited the forum and apart from the fact that he's aware we don't cry and rarely pout he knows very little about us?

Are there any presents where it would be most unwise to shake the parcel? If you unwrapped them would any have "This way up" or "handle with care" written on them?
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Hmm - is there a teeny tiny mini present amongst them, perchance? the smallest of the presents is about the size of a postage stamp

Are there clues in the wrapping paper that would help Santa identify the receipient in some cases i.e. the colour ? this would not help in any case The pattern? this might the pictures depicted thereon? and so might this

Would knowing each member of the LTPF's nationality help? not really Some familiarity with puzzles they've hosted? no number of puzzles? no recurring themes in their puzzles? no I take it for the sake of this puzzle Santa has never visited the forum and apart from the fact that he's aware we don't cry and rarely pout he knows very little about us? you may indeed take that for granted

Are there any presents where it would be most unwise to shake the parcel? yes If you unwrapped them would any have "This way up" or "handle with care" written on them? very probably
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Let's take a closer look at the spherical one: is it larger than a golf ball? Larger than a tennis ball? Larger than a cricket ball? Larger than a football? Larger than a watermelon?

Does it bear any distinctive markings on its wrapping paper? Is it wrapped in foil? Is it heavier than a football? If you dropped it, would it bounce? Does it yield when poked or squished?

Let's go to the one in twine. Is this heavier than a football? Is it larger than a football? Is it relevant that it is twine, as opposed to string? Is it a frayed knot?
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Let's take a closer look at the spherical one: is it larger than a golf ball? Larger than a tennis ball? Larger than a cricket ball? Larger than a football? Larger than a watermelon? it is smaller than any of those

Does it bear any distinctive markings on its wrapping paper? there is not much room on the wrapping paper for any markings of any kind, because the parcel is not very large Is it wrapped in foil? no, but from what you can gather there seem to be several layers of paper even for such a small present Is it heavier than a football? no If you dropped it, would it bounce? no Does it yield when poked or squished? no - as I say, the impression you have is of a very small sphere very carefully and tightly wrapped

Let's go to the one in twine. Is this heavier than a football? yes Is it larger than a football? yes Is it relevant that it is twine, as opposed to string? yes Is it a frayed knot? no, but good thinking
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Is the small sphere about the size of a pea (either whistle or garden variety)? a marble? is it visible to the naked eye i.e. it's not microscopic i hope?

Time for a wild guess with advance apologies for the groan factor... Is the small sphere a pea and it's for me because I'm a pea eater (p..eter geddit)?
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Is the small sphere about the size of a pea (either whistle or garden variety)? a marble? that is about the size of it, yes - moreover... is it visible to the naked eye i.e. it's not microscopic i hope? it is visible to the naked eye

Time for a wild guess with advance apologies for the groan factor... Is the small sphere a pea and it's for me because I'm a pea eater (p..eter geddit)? no, but not a bad guess at all
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Is it in fact a marble?
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Is it in fact a marble? well, you cannot tell for sure what it is until it is unwrapped. But one of Santa's Little Helpers, observing your perplexity, offers some assistance. "I think I remember that one", he says. "Some kind of fragile glass bead, at any rate. Had to be very careful while doing the wrapping, I can tell you. Layers and layers of paper, all cut up small..."
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Are the gifts jokes/puns on our names/nicknames? Do they relate to certain anecdotes of people? Previous puzzles of people? Personal lives?

If we were to unwrap these under the LTPF christmas tree, would our individual emotions be confusion? Joy? Puzzle! (meaning of course each would lead to more puzzling)?

If we were to unwrap these under our own respective christmas tree, would our individual emotions be confusion? Joy? Puzzle! (meaning of course each would lead to more puzzling)?

Is there one for me or only for the lucky few LTPFers?
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Is it a venerable bead?
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Are the gifts jokes/puns on our names/nicknames? some of them are jokes, some are more in the nature of puzzles Do they relate to certain anecdotes of people? no Previous puzzles of people? no Personal lives? no

If we were to unwrap these under the LTPF christmas tree, would our individual emotions be confusion? Joy? Puzzle! (meaning of course each would lead to more puzzling)? the last of these is perhaps the most likely, but the presents themselves are not actually puzzles

If we were to unwrap these under our own respective christmas tree, would our individual emotions be confusion? Joy? Puzzle! (meaning of course each would lead to more puzzling)? as above

Is there one for me or only for the lucky few LTPFers? there is one for everyone who joins in this puzzle, of course, and there are others

Is it a venerable bead? no, but "bead" is certainly a more helpful way to think of it than "marble"
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Are there any little chrysanthemums amongst them?
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Are there any little chrysanthemums amongst them? no - whereas it is a good piece of thinking that could well have been right, your present has nothing to do with "mini-mum". It has, however, already been investigated...
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The time may have come for a short

***** RECAP *****

Santa is delivering presents to members of the LTPF.

Unfortunately, the labels on the presents have all been lost, so he does not know which present is for whom.

All presents are wrapped, and cannot be unwrapped until their intended recipients have been identified. It is possible to discern certain things about each present from their shape, dimensions, aroma, tendency to emit light, and other characteristics yet to be gathered.

You know of:

A present the size of a domestic cat, in the interior of which is some quasi-animate, quasi-robotic being waving about something that emits a beam of red light.

A small spherical present that is a fragile bead of some kind.

A boxed present that smells of nutmeg and of a herb.

I will tell you now that no prior knowledge of any LTPF member apart from the name under which he or she posts here is needed to identify his or her present. There is certainly a present for everyone who asks a question on this puzzle, and there may be presents for other current or lapsed members of the forum.
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Does Sunshine have the brightest present?
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Does Sunshine have the brightest present? no - the present with the beam of red light is the only one that shows any tendency towards brightness at the moment, and it is not for Sunshine (whose present is actually fairly dull in both senses of the word)

Indeed, the present is not for anyone specific, as the friendly elf now informs you. "Santa", he says, "made that one for emergencies such as this. But since he's about seventeen hundred years old, he always forgets what he did. If you can work out what it is, though, he'll let you open it, and it will prove very useful."

A being, part human, part robot, waving about a beam of red light...
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Yea! Presents!

Could this "being" be described as a normal, everyday item? Or is it a product of your imagination?
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Could this "being" be described as a normal, everyday item? no Or is it a product of your imagination? not mine, but it is a product of someone else's imagination that is now very much in the public domain
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A being, part human, part robot, waving about a beam of red light...

Sounds like Darth Vader to me - is it?
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A being, part human, part robot, waving about a beam of red light...

Sounds like Darth Vader to me - is it? it is indeed. Just like the good old days, this - questions would sit unanswered for months, then Kdoc would appear and all would be revealed.

You open the parcel. Out springs a cat-sized Darth Vader, waving his red light sabre around in somewhat alarming fashion (but don't worry - it's only a toy light sabre). "Right", he hyperventilates. "To work..."

But what exactly can Darth Vader do in these circumstances?
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Can Mini-Vader open up presents for us? Can he scan the presents using a scanner? Can he call in TIE fighter support? Can he use the Force to help us?

Is the relevant part of him...his lightsaber? His nature as a force user? His nature as a darksider? His nature as a general of sorts? The Executor-class star destroyer hovering over the planet? His name?
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Can Mini-Vader open up presents for us? no - the edict of Santa Claus is, as you would expect, more powerful than anything from the Dark Side Can he scan the presents using a scanner? no, but... Can he call in TIE fighter support? he could, but it would be a pointless exercise - the reindeer would blow them out of the sky Can he use the Force to help us? yes, and...

Is the relevant part of him...his lightsaber? I don't all that much mind our ex-colonials referring to a centre as a center, and I have just about come to terms with their notion that a metre is a meter. But while I have breath in my body, a sabre is and will remain a sabre. His nature as a force user? this one His nature as a darksider? His nature as a general of sorts? The Executor-class star destroyer hovering over the planet? His name?
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Should Mini Vader use the Yedi mind trick and convince Santa to open each parcel and let us have a look?
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Should Mini Vader use the Yedi mind trick and convince Santa to open each parcel and let us have a look? the Yedi? I have some recollection of Yoda the Jedi, but of the Yedi I know not. At any rate, it is not a question of looking at the presents, but...
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I too look at the word "saber" and cringe as it is indeed a "sabre" (and I am a full red-blooded yankee american). However, the source material all use "lightsaber" and so, referencing said material, I keep the mis-spellings intact.

That being said, "lightsaber [sic]" relevant?

Force use that is relevant...
Moving objects?
Force choke?
Force lightning?
Mind trick?
Illusions?
Force-enhanced strength/speed/endurance?
Force-enhanced senses?
Farseeing/precognition?
Force jumps/flight?
Telepathy?
Battlemind/battle meditation?
Sensing disturbances?
Seeing through the force?
Something else?
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That being said, "lightsaber [sic]" relevant? no

Force use that is relevant...
Moving objects?
Force choke?
Force lightning?
Mind trick?
Illusions?
Force-enhanced strength/speed/endurance?
Force-enhanced senses? this is closest
Farseeing/precognition?
Force jumps/flight?
Telepathy? and there is some element of this
Battlemind/battle meditation?
Sensing disturbances?
Seeing through the force?
Something else? and perhaps this
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Can Mini-Vader detect anything in any of the packages, already identified and not, with his Force enhanced senses that we cannot with ours...and then relay the information to us?
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Is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" relevant?
Is Woubit's present weightless? Or poetic? Is a cat-sized Darth Vader the only human-robot that is relevant? Can Darth Vader (with his asthma, of course) breathe inside the paper? Can he assist us with discerning what the presents are within his package? Outside of his package? Does he even have a package? Once we determine what the presents are, can he help us determine for whom they are intended? Or, perhaps, can he help us determine for whom the presents are? Or, after this, figure out what they are? Would determining the volume/weight/mass/density of the parcels assist us in determining their contents? Is there an LTPF X-ray machine, an LTPF infrared camera, or another device that we can utilize to gain more information about the aforementioned presents than we can from electromagnetic radiation in the visible spectrum? As David Letterman always asks, "Will it float?" Does it matter if it's grilled? Or fried? Should I just eat it? As for the cat-sized Darth Vader with the toy sabre of light (by the way, Firefox is indicating to me that "sabre" is misspelled [US English] suggesting "saber", "Sabre", "sable", and "sabra")...
Has he lost his mind?
Can he see?
Or is he blind?
Can he walk at all?
Or if he moves will he fall?
Is he alive?
Or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head?
Is iron relevant?
Is a man relevant?
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Is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" relevant? no
Is Woubit's present weightless? this is as yet unknown Or poetic? as is this Is a cat-sized Darth Vader the only human-robot that is relevant? yes Can Darth Vader (with his asthma, of course) breathe inside the paper? no Can he assist us with discerning what the presents are within his package? I do not know what this means Outside of his package? nor this Does he even have a package? no Once we determine what the presents are, can he help us determine for whom they are intended? no Or, perhaps, can he help us determine for whom the presents are? no Or, after this, figure out what they are? yes Would determining the volume/weight/mass/density of the parcels assist us in determining their contents? yes, but you have no means of determining these any more precisely than by examination - you have no measuring devices Is there an LTPF X-ray machine, an LTPF infrared camera, or another device that we can utilize to gain more information about the aforementioned presents than we can from electromagnetic radiation in the visible spectrum? no As David Letterman always asks, "Will it float?" Does it matter if it's grilled? Or fried? Should I just eat it? none of the above is relevant As for the cat-sized Darth Vader with the toy sabre of light (by the way, Firefox is indicating to me that "sabre" is misspelled [US English] suggesting "saber", "Sabre", "sable", and "sabra")...
Has he lost his mind? no
Can he see? yes
Or is he blind? no
Can he walk at all? yes
Or if he moves will he fall? no
Is he alive? yes
Or dead? no
Has he thoughts within his head? yes
Is iron relevant? no
Is a man relevant? no
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The question still remains...
The only way that we could have opened the parcel containing the mini-Darth Vader is if we knew for whom it was intended. But I didn't know that we know.
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Does the box with the nutmeg contain whole nutmegs? or, rather, nutmeg powder? Is the box made of wood? Is the other herb something commonly used as spice? or food? or to make drinks (tea, maybe)? edible at all?
Is the number 11,200 relevant as number? or is it a date (11/2/00)? a phone number? an index? an amount of money (11 pounds, 2 shilling)? a code of some sort?
Should we, rather, investigate the number 5600 (11200 "in twains")?
Is the nutmeg in the box for Lynne?
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The question still remains...
The only way that we could have opened the parcel containing the mini-Darth Vader is if we knew for whom it was intended. But I didn't know that we know. we don't know, since it wasn't intended for anyone

Does the box with the nutmeg contain whole nutmegs? no or, rather, nutmeg powder? no Is the box made of wood? it seems to be Is the other herb something commonly used as spice? no or food? no or to make drinks (tea, maybe)? no edible at all? yes
Is the number 11,200 relevant as number? or is it a date (11/2/00)? a phone number? an index? an amount of money (11 pounds, 2 shilling)? a code of some sort? it is a quantity of something
Should we, rather, investigate the number 5600 (11200 "in twains")? no
Is the nutmeg in the box for Lynne? no
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if not nutmeg powder, is it then nutmeg butter? nutmeg oil? any mixture containing nutmeg? (as far as we can find this out without opening the box, I mean)
is the herb burdock? dandelion?
11,200 = quantity as in number of countable items? metres? litres? grams? units of time? units of temperature?
Would it help to investigate how this quantity is related to Lynne?
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if not nutmeg powder, is it then nutmeg butter? nutmeg oil? any mixture containing nutmeg? (as far as we can find this out without opening the box, I mean) you can do little without opening the present, but gently shaking the package to and fro produces a distinct impression that within the box, there is a liquid
is the herb burdock? dandelion? neither - it is used chiefly for medicinal purposes, although it has other uses
11,200 = quantity as in number of countable items? metres? litres? grams? this is closest - you are dealing with a unit of weight or more strictly, a unit of mass units of time? units of temperature?
Would it help to investigate how this quantity is related to Lynne? well, it would help to discover anything to which it is related
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Do we know which present is for Lynne yet? Would we be able to determine which present is for Lynne by asking yes or no questions? Or possibly by performing a complicated set of actions reminiscent of the old text adventure computer games for DOS and the like? I suppose we don't have any triple-beam balances or water tanks either...
Since we can't use magic, can we use some kind of enchanted item, a la RPG's? Or perhaps we need to ask the mini-Vader what we should do? Is there any relevant reason why Darth Vader is so small? Or why he was a present that wasn't intended for anyone? Is there by any chance an LTPF time machine that we could use? Or some kind of group that we could call, such as when an invisible man is sleeping in your bed? 11,200 = newtons? Is there some way that we can verify our guesses of what is what and for whom without having to attempt to open the package(s)?
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Oops...I am interested in the answer to this missed post:

Antesse (Antesse) Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 8:19 pm:
Can Mini-Vader detect anything in any of the packages, already identified and not, with his Force enhanced senses that we cannot with ours...and then relay the information to us?
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Does each person who asks a question get a present? Therefore, does each new LTPF member who joins this puzzle determine a new present just for them? Or is there a fixed amount of presents? Is the present related to the name of the person? Is there some type of pun involved in matching the present to the receiver? Or is there some connection based on a code? The letters in the persons name? The pronunciation of the person's name? If different LTPFers asked questions would there be different presents?
To recap re. Darth Vader - he is something that Santa is to use only for emergencies? Being that Santa has an emergency is someone allowed to open the box containing DV? Does Santa know which box DV is in? Does Santa open this box? Does DV open the box (escape somehow) in order to help Santa? Does DV know which presents are in which boxes? Who gets which present?
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Do we know which present is for Lynne yet? no Would we be able to determine which present is for Lynne by asking yes or no questions? in principle yes, but in practice no, since obviously the puzzle would then be rather tedious Or possibly by performing a complicated set of actions reminiscent of the old text adventure computer games for DOS and the like? no I suppose we don't have any triple-beam balances or water tanks either... you do not
Since we can't use magic, can we use some kind of enchanted item, a la RPG's? no Or perhaps we need to ask the mini-Vader what we should do? that might help Is there any relevant reason why Darth Vader is so small? not really - a full-sized Darth Vader would do just as well Or why he was a present that wasn't intended for anyone? yes - see earlier and later answers Is there by any chance an LTPF time machine that we could use? no Or some kind of group that we could call, such as when an invisible man is sleeping in your bed? no 11,200 = newtons? no Is there some way that we can verify our guesses of what is what and for whom without having to attempt to open the package(s)? yes

Can Mini-Vader detect anything in any of the packages, already identified and not, with his Force enhanced senses that we cannot with ours...and then relay the information to us? well, he can speak...

Does each person who asks a question get a present? yes Therefore, does each new LTPF member who joins this puzzle determine a new present just for them? yes Or is there a fixed amount of presents? no Is the present related to the name of the person? very much so - excellent question Is there some type of pun involved in matching the present to the receiver? in some cases Or is there some connection based on a code? in other cases The letters in the persons name? in some cases The pronunciation of the person's name? in other cases If different LTPFers asked questions would there be different presents? yes
To recap re. Darth Vader - he is something that Santa is to use only for emergencies? yes - Darth Vader has a particular ability that is very useful in emergencies such as this Being that Santa has an emergency is someone allowed to open the box containing DV? we have already done so Does Santa know which box DV is in? he does now Does Santa open this box? no - we have opened it Does DV open the box (escape somehow) in order to help Santa? no Does DV know which presents are in which boxes? no Who gets which present? no

To recap: we have at our disposal a toy Darth Vader with a talent that is particularly appropriate to the situation we and Santa find ourselves in, which is that we would like to know what is inside various parcels without opening them.
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Is darth vadar an actual present for someone or is his presence in the puzzle merely to help us estabish which gift is for whom? Given that he was wrapped up i guess he is a gift?
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Is darth vadar an actual present for someone no or is his presence in the puzzle merely to help us estabish which gift is for whom? yes Given that he was wrapped up i guess he is a gift? he was wrapped up simply because otherwise he would escape and oppress the galaxy, instead of helping Santa
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Given his propensity for evil are you sure we can trust DV? Is this one of these situations where we have to do the opposite of what he says or is he really here to help?
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The nutmeg-scented thing: would it be mace? And is the herb wormwood (if indeed wormwood is a herb)?

Back to the twined one: 11200 lb? In this case, we would have 800 stones, or 100 hundredweight, or five tons? Is "five tons" a more useful way to frame the puzzle? Would the twine be made of flax? Discordianism relevant?
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Given his propensity for evil are you sure we can trust DV? nothing is certain in this vale of tears, but... Is this one of these situations where we have to do the opposite of what he says or is he really here to help? ...you can in this case trust Darth Vader to help - this puzzle is confusing enough as it is

The nutmeg-scented thing: would it be mace? it would not, but exploring different kinds of nutmeg or nutmeg-like plants is an excellent idea And is the herb wormwood it is not (if indeed wormwood is a herb it is)?

Back to the twined one: 11200 lb? precisely so - well done In this case, we would have 800 stones, or 100 hundredweight, or five tons? Is "five tons" a more useful way to frame the puzzle? yes, indeed Would the twine be made of flax? and yes indeed Discordianism relevant? only insofar as it has led you to a correct deduction as to the nature of the twine. Now then...
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oh dear oh dear oh dear. Puns. Also my computer is acting up.

The smallest present, about the size of a stamp: is this the bead one? Or another, flatter one?

Is there also one largest present? If so, is this larger than a microwave oven? Larger than an armchair? Larger than a car?
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The smallest present, about the size of a stamp: is this the bead one? no Or another, flatter one? yes

Is there also one largest present? yes If so, is this larger than a microwave oven? Larger than an armchair? Larger than a car? it is about the size of an armchair
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Is the stamp sized present light enough that it can be suspected really to contain a postage stamp? Has it got any special colour? Is there a tiny bow on it?

Is the armchair sized present also as heavy as an armchair? Considerably lighter? Considerably heavier?
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Is the stamp sized present light enough that it can be suspected really to contain a postage stamp? it is a little heavier than that Has it got any special colour? it is wrapped in silver foil Is there a tiny bow on it? no

Is the armchair sized present also as heavy as an armchair? Considerably lighter? this one Considerably heavier?
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Should we concentrate on the weight 5 tons or is there some wordplay going on e.g in slang terms for money 5 tons could be 500 which is called a monkey by some, is this a good approach?

Can't recall if this has been asked but are there any anagrams or cryptic crossword type clues in the puzzle.

Is there an maximum number of presents in the sack because i'm already finding it hard to keep track. Maybe we should number each one with a brief discription of what we've learned about them thus far.
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Should we concentrate on the weight 5 tons or is there some wordplay going on e.g in slang terms for money 5 tons could be 500 which is called a monkey by some, is this a good approach? that sort of approach will serve you well in other cases, but in this instance Woodworm has already discovered all you need to know about this parcel - that the twine is made of flax

Can't recall if this has been asked but are there any anagrams or cryptic crossword type clues in the puzzle. there are some word puzzles, yes

Is there an maximum number of presents in the sack because i'm already finding it hard to keep track. Maybe we should number each one with a brief discription of what we've learned about them thus far. an excellent notion. You know of:

[1] The smallest present, which is about the size of a postage stamp, though a little heavier. It is wrapped in silver foil.

[2] A present that contains a fragile glass bead. It is wrapped in several layers of tissue paper.

[3] A present bound in twine made of flax.

[4] A present that contains a liquid and emits an odour of nutmeg and a herb as yet to be identified.

[5] The largest present, which is about the size and dimensions of an armchair, though considerably lighter.

You are assisted by a toy Darth Vader, whose particular talent you have not yet discovered. Elves and reindeer are on the scene, who may on occasion make helpful remarks. Santa Claus is also here, but he cannot remember anything very useful.
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Is [1] flat (I think we established that, but just to make sure)? Is it stiff? Bendable? Does it smell of anything?

Is [5] light enough to be a big box with a small thing inside? Does anything rattle around in it when it is moved?
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Is [1] flat (I think we established that, but just to make sure)? yes Is it stiff? yes Bendable? no Does it smell of anything? no

Is [5] light enough to be a big box with a small thing inside? yes Does anything rattle around in it when it is moved? no
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Some kind of fragile glass bead, at any rate. Had to be very careful while doing the wrapping, I can tell you. Layers and layers of paper, all cut up small...

Is it a glass eye? A diamond? Jewellery? Fairy's paperweight? The reason for the layers and layers of paper: is it intended for a pass the parcel game?
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Is it a glass eye? A diamond? Jewellery? Fairy's paperweight? it is simply a glass bead that... The reason for the layers and layers of paper: is it intended for a pass the parcel game? ...may very well be intended as part of a game. Good questions.
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1. The flat stamp-sized one: is this rectangular? Circular? Is it a coin? If you feel through the foil, is it smooth? Or can you feel any relevant markings on it?

2. Is this a counter of some sort?

3. Are we looking specifically for something to do with 'Five tons of flax' or was this just a hint at the flax? My faithful elf Google tells me that there is a band called Mechanical Dragon who released an album called Five Tons of Flax: is the gift a mechanical dragon?

4. The nutmeg tree, Nigella sativa? The herb: cannabis sativa? Comfrey? Borage?

Can Darth Vader see through the wrapping? Can he detect colours?
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1. The flat stamp-sized one: is this rectangular? this one Circular? Is it a coin? no If you feel through the foil, is it smooth? Or can you feel any relevant markings on it? this one

2. Is this a counter of some sort? no - just a glass bead

3. Are we looking specifically for something to do with 'Five tons of flax' or was this just a hint at the flax? the latter My faithful elf Google tells me that there is a band called Mechanical Dragon who released an album called Five Tons of Flax: is the gift a mechanical dragon? it is not, but an impressive piece of research. I should say here that as with all woubit puzzles, all reference aids may be freely used.

4. The nutmeg tree, Nigella sativa? no The herb: cannabis sativa? Comfrey? Borage? none of these

Can Darth Vader see through the wrapping? no Can he detect colours? no
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Would a Toyota share DV's ability that is useful to solving the puzzle? What about a toy Yoda? Chuck Norris? Oscar Wilde? Obi-Wan Kenobi? Jar Jar Binks? Indiana Jones? Luke Skywalker? Mace Windu? Han Solo? Bob Dole? Is present [3] a box of cereal for Woodworm?
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Would a Toyota share DV's ability that is useful to solving the puzzle? What about a toy Yoda? Chuck Norris? Oscar Wilde? Obi-Wan Kenobi? Jar Jar Binks? Indiana Jones? Luke Skywalker? Mace Windu? Han Solo? Bob Dole? none of the above Is present [3] a box of cereal for Woodworm? no
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Is this a counter of some sort? no - just a glass bead

So the flat stamp sized one is also the glass bead?
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So the flat stamp sized one is also the glass bead? sorry - may have engendered some confusion here. The small round one with lots of layers of wrapping paper is the glass bead. The small flat rectangular one wrapped up in silver foil is not a glass bead at all.
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Can DV determine when a gift was wrapped? For instance, by a sort of remote carbon dating procedure? Can he determine who sent the gifts?

Flax is the linseed, the oil of which is rubbed on to cricket bats: is this relevant? After all, Woodworm is a well-known maker of cricket bats. [A long shot, more akin to a KP-style flail outside the off stump.]
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Can DV determine when a gift was wrapped? For instance, by a sort of remote carbon dating procedure? no Can he determine who sent the gifts? no

Flax is the linseed, the oil of which is rubbed on to cricket bats: is this relevant? no, but it is a very fine piece of thinking After all, Woodworm is a well-known maker of cricket bats. [A long shot, more akin to a KP-style flail outside the off stump.] well, it didn't reach the boundary, but it wasn't caught at second slip either
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Would a living, breathing, talking, walking toy of any other person or person/robot be able to assist us in the same manner as the mini-Darth Vader? If so, would they have to share any characteristics with DV? If so, are these characteristics physical? Or would it have to do with previous events that have occurred in DV's life, such as podracing or being a slave?
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Is the glass bead a gift in itself? Part of something else? A play on words leading to something else?
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Would a living, breathing, talking, walking toy of any other person or person/robot be able to assist us in the same manner as the mini-Darth Vader? it is possible, but there is a particular reason why Darth Vader has been chosen If so, would they have to share any characteristics with DV? yes If so, are these characteristics physical? yes Or would it have to do with previous events that have occurred in DV's life, such as podracing or being a slave? not this kind of thing

Is the glass bead a gift in itself? yes Part of something else? no A play on words leading to something else? well, it is a glass bead, and there is a suggestion that it is part of a game...
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Is Darth Vader's relevant talent something for which he is particularly famous? Is this Woubit's Christmas puzzle? Would Darth Vader be more useful to us than any other person would be? Is this because he is the best at something? For example, does he have some sort of superhuman robotic ability to view images pertaining to understand English? If so, give him this message:
"Greetings, Lord Vader. This is the most WiZe Docta Peppa, representative of the LTPF community. We the people request your assistance in determining the contents of a sack full of presents and their intended recipients."
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So DV has some relevant physical ability? linked to the force? that he can make objects move with his mind?

does the glass bead have some connection with the novel 'the glass bead game' by Herman Hesse?
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Is Darth Vader's relevant talent something for which he is particularly famous? not particularly Is this Woubit's Christmas puzzle? no Would Darth Vader be more useful to us than any other person would be? probably not, but he is the best available at the moment Is this because he is the best at something? no For example, does he have some sort of superhuman robotic ability to view images pertaining to understand English? no If so, give him this message:
"Greetings, Lord Vader. This is the most WiZe Docta Peppa, representative of the LTPF community. We the people request your assistance in determining the contents of a sack full of presents and their intended recipients." Ah yes. I seem to remember having performed some task of the sort before. But unfortunately I cannot quite recall how I did it...
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So DV has some relevant physical ability? yes linked to the force? in one sense yes, in a more important sense no that he can make objects move with his mind? no

does the glass bead have some connection with the novel 'the glass bead game' by Herman Hesse? exactly and precisely so - well done (as usual)
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Wow, somehow my last post got messed up pretty bad.
Is anything else in the puzzle statement false?
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so is the glass bead for someone whose name is like a character in the novel?

the herb -
anise? arnica? camomile? coltsfoot? rue? hyssop? john's wort? lovage? mandrake? nettle? tansy?
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Is anything else in the puzzle statement false? nothing in the puzzle statement is false. But this is woubit's Christmas puzzle, not woubit's christmas puzzle or Woubit's Christmas puzzle. Whereas woubits do not capitalise their names, the same is not true of Christ.

so is the glass bead for someone whose name is like a character in the novel? not so much a name as...

the herb -
anise? arnica? camomile? coltsfoot? rue? hyssop? john's wort? lovage? mandrake? nettle? tansy? none of those, but a most impressive list of herbs
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the glass bead game is set in Castalia - is that relevant? castalia was a muse - is that relevant?
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the glass bead game is set in Castalia - is that relevant? no - the location is not important castalia was a muse - is that relevant? Castalia was, I think, the fountain consecrated to the Muses by Apollo, who had as usual turned some poor nymph into a fountain for the purpose. But this does not matter in the context of the puzzle.
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Perhaps the bead is for Paul, our Magister Ludorum? [Another lame edge into the gully.]

Is it relevant that it has been wrapped in so many layers?
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Perhaps the bead is for Paul, our Magister Ludorum? [Another lame edge into the gully.] very far from it - this one is sailing out of the ground for six.

The glass bead wrapped in many layers of paper as if for a game of "Pass the Parcel" - well done Lynne - was indeed intended to suggest Das Glasperlenspiel, or The Glass Bead Game, the last great novel by Hermann Hesse - well done Kdoc.

The central character of that novel attains the title of Magister Ludi, or Master of the Game, and this present is for Paul Sloane, Admin of this forum and therefore master of the game we play here on the LTPF.


Is it relevant that it has been wrapped in so many layers? see above, and well done Woodworm.
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I think I am a little lost. Can somebody translate this (particularly the dialogue between woubit and Woodworm) into verbiage that a chitlin from the United States who is lacking in intelligence (such as I) can understand??
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I think I am a little lost. Can somebody translate this (particularly the dialogue between woubit and Woodworm) into verbiage that a chitlin from the United States who is lacking in intelligence (such as I) can understand??

The references to "edge into the gully" and "out of the ground for six" are allusions to the game of cricket, a game to which Woodworm referred when he was speculating that linseed oil might be involved in the puzzle.

Cricket has something in common with baseball, a game played by people from the United States who are lacking in enough intelligence to play cricket.

In baseball, a "foul tip" is a hit that goes from the bat directly into the catcher's hands and counts as a strike against the batter. In cricket, an "edge" occurs when the ball strikes the edge of the batsman's bat. "Gully" is a fielder standing close to the batsman (note: not "batter"), and if he or any other close fielder catches the ball, the batsman is out.

In baseball, a "home run" occurs when the batter strikes the ball out of the playing field on the full. Depending on how many men are on base, a "home run" may count any number of runs from one to four for the batting side. In cricket, a ball struck out of the playing field on the full scores six runs for the batting side.

Thus, Woodworm might have said "Another foul tip" and I might have said "No, this time it's a home run."

As to Hermann Hesse and The Glass Bead Game, I hope that what has been said is at any rate clear enough for you to follow. If not, you might have some difficulty when it comes to identifying your own present, and that would be a pity.
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Ah, of course. It all makes sense now. So we have indeed determined what and for whom [2] is. We only have like 50 more to go (as of now). Hopefully no further sports knowledge is required for any part of the puzzle (unlike certain puzzles by certain members of this forum). This is my interpretation of the situation thus far. Feel free to indicate where I am gravely mistaken.

Title:
If anyone calls

Puzzle statement:
This is woubit's Christmas puzzle for 2008. At present, you have nothing to go on except the title. Good luck.

Revealed thus far:

1) Santa is delivering presents to members of the LTPF.
2) Unfortunately, the labels on the presents have all been lost, so he does not know which present is for whom.
3) All presents are wrapped, and cannot be unwrapped until their intended recipients have been identified.
4) It is possible to discern certain things about each present from their shape, dimensions, aroma, tendency to emit light, and other characteristics yet to be gathered.
5) No prior knowledge of any LTPF member apart from the name under which he or she posts here is needed to identify his or her present.
6) There is certainly a present for everyone who asks a question on this puzzle, and there may be presents for other current or lapsed members of the forum.
7) We are assisted by a toy Darth Vader, whose particular talent you have not yet discovered.
8) DV's relevant talent is based on one of his physical characteristics, and this talent is, in an important sense, not related to the Force.
9) However, in an unimportant sense, this talent is related to the Force.
10) This talent is some kind of physical ability.
11) Elves and reindeer are on the scene, who may on occasion make helpful remarks.
12) Santa Claus is also here, but he cannot remember anything very useful.
13) DV has experience with something similar to our predicament.

The presents:

[1] The smallest present, which is about the size of a postage stamp, though a little heavier. It is wrapped in silver foil. It is rectangular, flat, and stiff, and it does not smell of any odor.

[2] A glass bead for Paul, the Magister Ludi of the LTPF.

[3] A present bound in twine made of flax, wrapped in paper that includes a reference to five tons.

[4] A present that contains a liquid and emits an odo[u]r of nutmeg and a herb as yet to be identified.

[5] The largest present, which is about the size and dimensions of an armchair, though considerably lighter.
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Hey, I am going on the record here to say that I certainly don't have the intelligence to understand the game of cricket...even after an Australian friend wasted her time and effort trying to explain it to me. So, please, don't hide any clues to this puzzle in the sports banter, eh?

Back to the task at hand: Since DV seems to be responding to questions, can we ask him to use his mind to "probe" the contents of the packages?
Just in case I am on the right track...Mr. Vader, would you direct your mind into the contents of Box [5] to answer these questions?
Is the item inside made of metal? wood? paper? plastic?
Is it solid? Or hollow?
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Is the parcel with the flax cord for Lynne? (flax > lin)
Or, is it, maybe for me? (flax > flex > bend > Bender, my surname)
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Continuing on the armchair sized [5]:

Is it hard, like a wooden box?
Less hard but still stiff, like a cardboard box?
Squishy?
Does its weight approximate that of a cardboard box that size filled with crumpled newspapers? Lighter? Heavier?
Cuboid in shape?
Rounded?
Cylindrical?
Other?
I have seen the strangest armchairs while we were out looking for a suitable cupboard for music instruments.
Has it got any remarkable colour? Smell?
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Ah, of course. It all makes sense now. I am relieved to hear it So we have indeed determined what and for whom [2] is. indeed We only have like 50 more to go (as of now). make that forty-nine, for reasons that will become apparent Hopefully no further sports knowledge is required for any part of the puzzle (unlike certain puzzles by certain members of this forum). man never is, but always to be blest This is my interpretation of the situation thus far. Feel free to indicate where I am gravely mistaken. an excellent effort for which I am most grateful

Title:
If anyone calls

Puzzle statement:
This is woubit's Christmas puzzle for 2008. At present, you have nothing to go on except the title. Good luck.

Revealed thus far:

1) Santa is delivering presents to members of the LTPF.
2) Unfortunately, the labels on the presents have all been lost, so he does not know which present is for whom.
3) All presents are wrapped, and cannot be unwrapped until their intended recipients have been identified.
4) It is possible to discern certain things about each present from their shape, dimensions, aroma, tendency to emit light, and other characteristics yet to be gathered.
5) No prior knowledge of any LTPF member apart from the name under which he or she posts here is needed to identify his or her present.
6) There is certainly a present for everyone who asks a question on this puzzle, and there may be presents for other current or lapsed members of the forum.
7) We are assisted by a toy Darth Vader, whose particular talent you have not yet discovered.
8) DV's relevant talent is based on one of his physical characteristics, and this talent is, in an important sense, not related to the Force.
9) However, in an unimportant sense, this talent is related to the Force.
10) This talent is some kind of physical ability.
11) Elves and reindeer are on the scene, who may on occasion make helpful remarks.
12) Santa Claus is also here, but he cannot remember anything very useful.
13) DV has experience with something similar to our predicament.

The presents:

[1] The smallest present, which is about the size of a postage stamp, though a little heavier. It is wrapped in silver foil. It is rectangular, flat, and stiff, and it does not smell of any odor.

[2] A glass bead for Paul, the Magister Ludi of the LTPF.

[3] A tablecloth and napkins made of linen, a present for Lynne (see Ostap's question below).

[4] A present that contains a liquid and emits an odo[u]r of nutmeg and a herb as yet to be identified.

[5] The largest present, which is about the size and dimensions of an armchair, though considerably lighter.

Thank you again. Returning to question and answer:

Hey, I am going on the record here to say that I certainly don't have the intelligence to understand the game of cricket...even after an Australian friend wasted her time and effort trying to explain it to me. So, please, don't hide any clues to this puzzle in the sports banter, eh? no clues will be hidden in anything that is not an answer to a question

Back to the task at hand: Since DV seems to be responding to questions, can we ask him to use his mind to "probe" the contents of the packages? we can, but it will get us nowhere. There are simpler ways...
Just in case I am on the right track...Mr. Vader, would you direct your mind into the contents of Box [5] to answer these questions?
Is the item inside made of metal? wood? paper? plastic?
Is it solid? Or hollow? I am afraid that Darth Vader does not have any mental ability to determine the contents of the parcels. The relevant talent is a purely physical one.

Is the parcel with the flax cord for Lynne? (flax > lin) close enough - well done
Or, is it, maybe for me? (flax > flex > bend > Bender, my surname) no, but...

The word "line" has many meanings in English, of which one (derived from the Latin word linum) means "flax" (hence the "linseed oil" to which Woodworm alluded earlier).

Whereas English spelling is more or less standardized these days (subject to one or two colonial variants), it was not always so, and "line" in this sense has over the centuries been spelled variously as "lin", "lyn", "lyne", "linne" and - crucially for this puzzle - "lynne".

The cord (discord, as opposed to dat cord - well done Woodworm) binding the parcel in question is made of flax, or "lynne". The parcel when opened proves to contain a tablecloth and napkins of the finest linen. Happy Christmas Lynne, and well done Ostap.


Continuing on the armchair sized [5]:

Is it hard, like a wooden box?
Less hard but still stiff, like a cardboard box? this one
Squishy? no
Does its weight approximate that of a cardboard box that size filled with crumpled newspapers? that is a good approximation Lighter? Heavier?
Cuboid in shape? this one
Rounded?
Cylindrical?
Other?
I have seen the strangest armchairs while we were out looking for a suitable cupboard for music instruments.
Has it got any remarkable colour? the wrapping paper is red, with markings on it that resemble Chinese characters. Darth Vader cannot, alas, read Chinese. Smell? no
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Gosh this is tough.

Is the glass bead translucent? opaque? is it a perfect sphere or does it have edges? Is it precious or has a considerable monetary value? Is it a common item that would be found in most households?
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Gosh this is tough. it would hardly keep the fine minds of the LTPF occupied over Christmas if it were easy. However, there is no need to make it even tougher...

Is the glass bead translucent? opaque? is it a perfect sphere or does it have edges? Is it precious or has a considerable monetary value? Is it a common item that would be found in most households? ...by continuing to investigate that which no longer needs investigation. The glass bead is Paul's present, and no more need be discovered about it.
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Friday Dec.19th

Dear woubit

Thank you very much for such a thoughtful present. In all my years I have never received such a thoughtful gift. And by thoughtful I mean - well, full of thoughts that my little mind would never guess in a trillion trillion years. I shall use them this Christmas with pleasure. I hope nobody spills beetroot juice on them. What was especially nice was that you kept my e intact.
I do hope there's a present for you and that you don't have to dance. Here's to winning every pub quiz you ever do.

Yours sincerely
Lynne
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Darth Vader cannot, alas, read Chinese.

Neither can I. But I can often tell whether signs resembling Chinese characters are, in fact, Chinese characters. But this won't lead anywhere unless they are posted, and probably not then either.

Are there two such characters? three? (...) to many to be easily counted? Are they all whole, or are some partial (as would usually be the case if they were the pattern on the wrapping paper)?
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I've just been elected the LTPF's official Christmas Turkey.
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Neither can I. But I can often tell whether signs resembling Chinese characters are, in fact, Chinese characters. But this won't lead anywhere unless they are posted, and probably not then either. well, let us assume that they are actual Chinese characters, then

Are there two such characters? three? (...) to many to be easily counted? Are they all whole, or are some partial (as would usually be the case if they were the pattern on the wrapping paper)? they form a pattern that recurs across the paper, but the impression is that they are not random characters - they may possibly form one or two sentences
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I've just been elected the LTPF's official Christmas Turkey. not in the least - woubit Christmas puzzles are not the easiest things in the world to follow. Even I don't know where they're going most of the time.
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The smallest present that is wrapped in foil - when you see this object would it normally be wrapped in foil? Or is that just for the purposes of wrapping it? Is it a carved rune? Is it a game piece?
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The unidentified herb: is it a medicinal herb? A narcotic? A hallucinogen? Does it have bright flowers? Is it a type of nettle? A burdock?

Perhaps we might also look at some of the other gifts. How about the heaviest one in the sack: is there anything relevant about its shape or its wrapping? Is there a present that is particularly elongated? Is there a very soft, squishy one? Any more gifts with distinctive markings on the outer wrapper?

If we rub the postage-stamp-sized one, does any relevant marking show through the foil?

Do any of the gifts make a distinctive sound if you tap them through the paper?

Do any of them contain something that makes a sound of its own accord? Is there anything alive inside any of the packages?
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Present handover state
1) Presents handed over
Paul: a glass bead, wrapped in tiny sheets of paper
Lynne: a tablecloth and napkins, tied up with a flax cord

2) Presents not yet identified:
- a wooden box that contains some liquid, has a smell of nutmeg and some other herb, the herb is edible and rather common, used as medicine
- a flat rectangular item of the size of a stamp, just slightly thicker, wrapped in foil
- a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters

3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Arek_fu, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention

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Would DV's helpful ability involve to do something with the parcels? touch them? look into them?
Or rather, look into the future? maybe he knows in advance whether Santa will be satisfied about our choice of a recipient?
Maybe we just ask DV what is special ability is? (it's you but not necessarily him who answers only yes-no questions)
Is Santa longer needed at the scene? Or can we send him to the local pub to have a rest?
Do we need somebody who knows Chinese in order to proceed with the big parcel?
Is there, by any chance, the character "fu" (meaning: Master) among the writings?
In that case, my first guess would be that the parcel is for Arek_fu .. but who can tell?
Is the liquid in the box a drink? potable at all?
When the herb is used as medicine, is its main effect: bacteriocid? desinfectioning? strengthening the immune system? reducing pain? purely placebo?
Is it ingested? inhaled? injected? applied to the skin?
Gingko biloba? Mentha spicata? Eucalyptus? Plantago? Thymus?
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The smallest present that is wrapped in foil - when you see this object would it normally be wrapped in foil? no Or is that just for the purposes of wrapping it? yes Is it a carved rune? Is it a game piece? it is neither of those

The unidentified herb: is it a medicinal herb? yes A narcotic? it can be used as a sedative, and was in former days a remedy for insomnia, but "narcotic" is perhaps too strong a term A hallucinogen? no Does it have bright flowers? the common or garden variety has pink and white flowers Is it a type of nettle? no A burdock? no

Perhaps we might also look at some of the other gifts. an excellent notion How about the heaviest one in the sack: is there anything relevant about its shape or its wrapping? the heaviest present in the sack is most irregular in shape. It is not particularly large, so that presumably it is particularly dense. It is wrapped in paper decorated with different phases of the moon. Is there a present that is particularly elongated? no Is there a very soft, squishy one? there is one that might perhaps be a cushion, or pillow, or bean bag, or something of the sort Any more gifts with distinctive markings on the outer wrapper? yes

If we rub the postage-stamp-sized one, does any relevant marking show through the foil? no, but you have the impression that there is an object inside that is ridged rather than flat

Do any of the gifts make a distinctive sound if you tap them through the paper? nothing particularly distinctive - some of them make rattling noises, as though they contained boxes whose contents were being agitated

Do any of them contain something that makes a sound of its own accord? well, there are things inside the packages that might make sounds of their own accord if they were activated, but to do this, you would have to unwrap them Is there anything alive inside any of the packages? nothing that you can discern from their outward appearance - none of them has yet moved of its own accord. But you should not dismiss the possibility.
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Present handover state
1) Presents handed over
Paul: a glass bead, wrapped in tiny sheets of paper
Lynne: a tablecloth and napkins, tied up with a flax cord

2) Presents not yet identified:
- a wooden box that contains some liquid, has a smell of nutmeg and some other herb, the herb is edible and rather common, used as medicine
- a flat rectangular item of the size of a stamp, just slightly thicker, wrapped in foil
- a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters

3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Arek_fu, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention

an admirable and most methodical summary - thank you. Santa wishes me to mention that should you feel inclined to give up your career as a Russian con man, you can have a job in his present factory any time. The wages are not high, but the holidays are long.

Would DV's helpful ability involve to do something with the parcels? yes touch them? this one look into them?
Or rather, look into the future? maybe he knows in advance whether Santa will be satisfied about our choice of a recipient? he knows something of the future. In particular, since we may as well dispose of this silliness here, this dialogue did not occur in any of the Star Wars films, but it should have done:

Darth Vader: I know what you are getting for Christmas.

Luke Skywalker: How can you possibly know that?

Darth Vader: I have felt your presents, Luke.


Your toy Darth Vader has a remarkable sense of touch. He cannot always know exactly what is inside a Christmas present simply by feeling it, but he can tell a great deal more about it than you can.


Maybe we just ask DV what is special ability is? (it's you but not necessarily him who answers only yes-no questions) no need - all has now been discovered
Is Santa longer needed at the scene? Or can we send him to the local pub to have a rest? Santa Claus is not sent to the pub by the likes of us. His state is kingly; thousands at his bidding speed and post o'er land and ocean without rest. At the moment, though, he is quite content to stand and wait.
Do we need somebody who knows Chinese in order to proceed with the big parcel? no, not really, but some knowledge of Chinese customs or traditions would help
Is there, by any chance, the character "fu" (meaning: Master) among the writings? no, but this line of questioning might come in useful elsewhere
In that case, my first guess would be that the parcel is for Arek_fu .. but who can tell? I can. It isn't, but a very good shot.
Is the liquid in the box a drink? it is not toxic, but I would not drink it if I were you potable at all? see above
When the herb is used as medicine, is its main effect: bacteriocid? desinfectioning? strengthening the immune system? reducing pain? purely placebo? as described above, it is chiefly used as a sedative or an anxiolytic
Is it ingested? this one inhaled? injected? applied to the skin?
Gingko biloba? Mentha spicata? Eucalyptus? Plantago? Thymus? but none of these
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Is the herb feverfew used for migraines?
Is the liquid in the box in a glass bottle? Or is the wood of the box not porous?
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Is the herb feverfew used for migraines? no
Is the liquid in the box in a glass bottle? well, it is probably in a bottle of some kind Or is the wood of the box not porous?
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Is the herb melissa? valeriana?
(though I can't think of any use for a liquor of nutmeg and valeriana)
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The heavy irregular one...can we recognize its shape as any recognizable or classifiable shape? Would the shape indicate or give clue to the present? Also, DV...if you may...can you feel this present? The phases of the moon, are they scattered across the paper or put in order in a repetitive logical fashion? Anything relating to waxing, waning, full moon, new moon, or the length of time for a full cycle?

Is the squishy one approximately equal in dimensions? Or is the primary one length? Height? Depth? (Taking clues from wrapping paper lines, bows, and how it stands best...) Is its primary dimension closest to 1mm? 1cm? 10cm? 1m? 10m?
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Kava kava? Chamomile? Milk thistle?
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Wait, I think I understand DV's role now.

DV, what does the heavy irregular one feel like in texture?
And the squishy one?
The contents of the wooden box?
The parcel with the chinese characters?
And the small one the size of a stamp?
Can you tell me the texture or feel of the gifts?
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Is the herb melissa? valeriana? this one, or valerian - well done
(though I can't think of any use for a liquor of nutmeg and valeriana) not everything in a woubit puzzle is any use, nor indeed are many Christmas presents

The heavy irregular one...can we recognize its shape as any recognizable or classifiable shape? no, not really Would the shape indicate or give clue to the present? not specifically Also, DV...if you may...can you feel this present? "It feels to me like a large stone or metal object. It is made of marble or of granite or of solid steel." The phases of the moon, are they scattered across the paper or put in order in a repetitive logical fashion? this one Anything relating to waxing, waning, full moon, new moon, or the length of time for a full cycle? all of those phases of the moon are present, in their correct order

Is the squishy one approximately equal in dimensions? yes Or is the primary one length? Height? Depth? (Taking clues from wrapping paper lines, bows, and how it stands best...) Is its primary dimension closest to 1mm? 1cm? 10cm? 1m? this one 10m?

Kava kava? Chamomile? Milk thistle? none of those, but help has arrived - the herb in question is valerian

DV, what does the heavy irregular one feel like in texture? see above
And the squishy one? like a cushion, or a pillow
The contents of the wooden box? I cannot feel those, since they are in a box
The parcel with the chinese characters? again, this feels simply like a cardboard box - I cannot feel its contents
And the small one the size of a stamp? this is a metal rectangle that has ridges and indentations. It may be a piece of very fine miniature workmanship.
Can you tell me the texture or feel of the gifts? If the gifts themselves are enclosed in packaging that is in turn enclosed in wrapping paper, I can feel only the packaging, not the gifts themselves.
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OK, so valerian is also known as heliotrope. Are any anagrams of heliotrope of any interest to solving who the recipient is?

Holier Poet
Pothole Ire
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The Loopier
Ooh Reptile

Of course there are anagrams of valerian but they don't look so fun.
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Anything to do with the emperor Valerian?

Or maybe Valerian and Laureline? Does the nutmeg-like plant belong to the laurel family, perhaps?
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The squishy one - is it a regular cushion used for the head, back or to sit on? Or does it have extra qualities? Like a herb pillow or a massaging pillow or one that can heat up to give pain relief?
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OK, so valerian is also known as heliotrope. it is, but it is also known as a number of other things... Are any anagrams of heliotrope of any interest to solving who the recipient is?

Holier Poet
Pothole Ire
Polite Hero
The Loopier
Ooh Reptile

Of course there are anagrams of valerian but they don't look so fun. possibly not, but thank you for a fine set of anagrams in any case. None of them is the answer, though all of them deserve to be.

Anything to do with the emperor Valerian? no

Or maybe Valerian and Laureline? nor this, but a fine piece of thinking Does the nutmeg-like plant belong to the laurel family, perhaps? it does not, but...

The squishy one - is it a regular cushion used for the head, back or to sit on? Or does it have extra qualities? Like a herb pillow or a massaging pillow or one that can heat up to give pain relief? it is not easy to tell what additional qualities it may have without unwrapping it. It is roughly the dimensions of an ordinary bed pillow.
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Using all sources at my disposal I see that valerian is also known as setewale (Chaucer), all-heal, vandal root, Capon's tail, spikenard or just phu (for a particularly pongy version).

Could it be all-heal, and a present for kDoc?
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Using all sources at my disposal I see that valerian is also known as setewale (Chaucer), all-heal, vandal root, Capon's tail, spikenard or just phu must be pretty good sources, those - not 100% good enough, but 99%... (for a particularly pongy version).

Could it be all-heal, and a present for kDoc? it could, but it isn't. Concentrate on phu, and remember that orthography ain't what it used to be...
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Ahhhh... this is intense.
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Is Lufia relevant?
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Is it a simple variantion of phu? Like poo, pooh, or phew!
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Are there presents for all of the following:
*Abc
*Beroean
*Gourami
*Haenlomal
*Koala
*Pumpkin
*woubit
.... (to be continued)
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Or perhaps like fu (as in kung-fu fighting, of course)?
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As Archimedes might have said, but didn't:

Areca?
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(continued from Post 1576)

*Nimue
*Slameye
*Blazingphoenix
*Racoonieboy
*Vagary
*D_Gordon
*USMCfink
*Jenburdoo
*Alhucema
*UnleashedLlama
*Rcs
*Obvious
*Crazypalpig
*Sollen
*La_sparky
*Howardwoman
*Alex319
*Liquizt
*Brid
*Deathateaster
*Scood
*Erinye
... (to be continued)
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Does this require a great deal of knowledge pertaining to botany? Despite my username, I am neither a medicine man nor even an apothecary.
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Me too please? You can give me any old rubbish....(Late to the party as usual)
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You say that we have 49 more to go... what if a greater number of people than that suddenly appear and ask questions? Do they get stuck with, to use Tosh's phrasing, "any old rubbish"?
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Arek Phu?!

Could the small present wrapped in foil be a microprocessor?
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But but butt (said the goat) don't you see? My name means I can have any old rubbish.....
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Anyhoo, if Bodo comes along I always get choccies from him, so I don't really mind ..... (hmmm, wonder what a Bodo would get??)
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quote:

But but butt (said the goat) don't you see? My name means I can have any old rubbish.....



This is a woubit puzzle, remember? A woubit would never allow it to be so simple.
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Arek fu - come on down! That's great thinking, even if the great woubit has something else in mind!
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Doctapeppa - you're so right, even though I'm a simple little being.
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I was hoping that the relevant herb would be juniper, for some reason...

Choccies for Tosh
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I wonder why. o_O
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I'm still wondering if there is a gift for me...my name here would be known and understood...by basically no one...

Is there a gift for me, Santy Claus?
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Oh Bodo, you've never let me down. Thank you! Chocolate everybody? There's enough for everyone.
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There is most definitely a gift for everyone who asks questions in this thread!
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Ahhhh... this is intense. would you rather have frankintense?
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Is Lufia relevant? no. It may or may not assist you in future puzzles to understand that I am an old man.
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Is it a simple variantion of phu? yes Like poo, pooh, or phew! simpler than those, but help is at hand
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Are there presents for all of the following?

As I and Santa Claus have adumbrated, there are presents for the deserving, but I know not who deserves what, nor why.

Whether or not Felicia Nimue receives a present, for example, is in the hands of a higher authority than mine.

Further questions along these lines might convey the general impression that you are [a] not nice and [b] boring. I am as sure as I can be that you would not wish to give either impression.
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Or perhaps like fu (as in kung-fu fighting, of course)? exactly like fu, but not in kung fu fighting, of course
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Me too please? You can give me any old rubbish....(Late to the party as usual) most welcome in any case. We may or may not have chocolates, but...
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You say that we have 49 more to go... what if a greater number of people than that suddenly appear and ask questions? Do they get stuck with, to use Tosh's phrasing, "any old rubbish"? Not really. Have you heard of Hilbert's Hotel?

Arek Phu?! very much so

I was wondering whence Arek_Fu got his name, and perhaps he will tell us now that he has rejoined the puzzle. Of course, no shame if he doesn't want to - even my closest friends don't know why I was once called Trevor.

But "arek" is an old English word for the nuts of the Arecaceae (well done Woodworm), and "fu" is an old English word for the herb now known as valerian (well done Lynne and her riders on sourceback), and the bottle of after-shave smelling of these things is Arek-fu's present.

Woodworm and Lynne, having brilliantly and more or less simultaneously identified both clues to Arek_fu's present, both get to stand by while he claps a healthy dose around his neck. Which of them kisses him first could keep the tabloids going for weeks.


Could the small present wrapped in foil be a microprocessor? yes
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Anyhoo, if Bodo comes along I always get choccies from him, so I don't really mind ..... (hmmm, wonder what a Bodo would get??) off to have dinner with some chaps. Speculate the while.

This is a woubit puzzle, remember? A woubit would never allow it to be so simple. in truth, the solvers have been a bit unlucky in that they have hit the tough stuff first. But they will hold their heads up high, and they won't be afraid of the dark...
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Arek fu - come on down! That's great thinking, even if the great woubit has something else in mind! great thinking it was, and woubit had nothing else in mind. It's easy to set a puzzle. It's very hard to solve it, but you lot are very good indeed.

I'm still wondering if there is a gift for me...my name here would be known and understood...by basically no one...

Through the window, big and red
There hurtled by his royal head
And bounced and fell upon the bed
An India rubber ball.
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Oh, I see. So this is like a loop, and the fifty presents just go in a cycle, as they are based on a finite series of characters that can be expressed via a forum?
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Heh, there are very few people who know where my nickname comes from. A curious friend once kept asking me questions for hours, only to find out in the end that I had fed her a false story... Yes, I know I'm mean :-)

Hey, I could make a puzzle about my nickname! However, given the brilliant minds around here, I'm sure it would be $poiled in five or six posts at the most...

Thanks for the gift woubit! Or should I thank Santa?

Oh, and by the way...


The one wrapped in foil, IS it a microprocessor?

Curse my silly question.
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Is the soft squishy present wrapped in any particular coloured paper?

Is there a packaged wrapped in brown paper? If so, send DV over to check it out for us.
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The one wrapped in foil, IS it a microprocessor? that is certainly Darth's and your best guess

Is the soft squishy present wrapped in any particular coloured paper? it is wrapped in white paper decorated with pictures of holly and ivy

Is there a packaged wrapped in brown paper? no If so, send DV over to check it out for us.
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Oh snap! This could not possibly be incorrect:
All righty. Gift [1], the present that could possibly be a microprocessor, is indeed a microprocessor. Also, this gift is for woubit, because it is a 64-bit processor, and Chien-Shiung Wu won the Comstock Award from the National Academy of Sciences in 1964.
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Oh snap! This could not possibly be incorrect: would you like a bet?
All righty. Gift [1], the present that could possibly be a microprocessor, is indeed a microprocessor. very probably Also, this gift is for woubit, because it is a 64-bit processor, and Chien-Shiung Wu won the Comstock Award from the National Academy of Sciences in 1964. no, but although incorrect, a very fine piece of thinking indeed
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That's not true. That's impossible!

Hmmmm... perhaps I should try to take the usernames and work my way backwards to determine the style of present they would receive? Or perhaps the presents are numbered, and I can have DV feel them all up, and report back with a description of each one, and then I can check to see when certain presents arrived at this infinitely-large hotel, and, going through the logs, I can see what present arrived after which users asked questions, and then I can cross-check and double-quander these with the record of appearance of certain presents and determine the coinciding times, piecing together everything from a variety of ambiguous and unreliable sources, searching for all possible different spellings of all portions of all usernames in all different languages, and this is not a run-on sentence?
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Would it help us to determine what the foil is made of (on the postage-stamp-sized present)? If so, is it normal tin foil? Is the element Tin (Sn) relevant? From a wordplay point of view, would it help to think of the present as a "chip" rather than as a microprocessor as such? Is the element Si relevant at all? Is any post-GCSE scientific knowledge required to solve this part of the puzzle?

As we still have about 40 gifts unaccounted for, perhaps we could try a few more. Are there any:

wrapped in green paper?
wrapped in blue paper?
wrapped in tinsel or anything shiny (apart from the microchip-type affair)?
wrapped in delicate tissue?
that seem to be books (you can nearly always tell books)?
that seem to be CD or DVD cases?

Are there any other gifts with writing on the external packaging? If so, let's drag them from the sack and have a little look at them.
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Hmmmm... perhaps I should try to take the usernames and work my way backwards to determine the style of present they would receive? Or perhaps the presents are numbered, and I can have DV feel them all up, and report back with a description of each one, and then I can check to see when certain presents arrived at this infinitely-large hotel, and, going through the logs, I can see what present arrived after which users asked questions, and then I can cross-check and double-quander these with the record of appearance of certain presents and determine the coinciding times, piecing together everything from a variety of ambiguous and unreliable sources, searching for all possible different spellings of all portions of all usernames in all different languages, and this is not a run-on sentence?

Any and all methods could work, but if you will forgive me, it may be counter-productive to supply an exhaustive list of all the presents remaining in Santa's sack. A few at a time seems a more manageable approach - see answer to Woodworm below.

Would it help us to determine what the foil is made of (on the postage-stamp-sized present)? no If so, is it normal tin foil? Is the element Tin (Sn) relevant? no From a wordplay point of view, would it help to think of the present as a "chip" rather than as a microprocessor as such? perhaps Is the element Si relevant at all? no Is any post-GCSE scientific knowledge required to solve this part of the puzzle? no

As we still have about 40 gifts unaccounted for, perhaps we could try a few more. Are there any:

wrapped in green paper? yes, but this is not especially relevant
wrapped in blue paper? likewise
wrapped in tinsel or anything shiny (apart from the microchip-type affair)? no
wrapped in delicate tissue? yes. The next smallest present after the microprocessor and the glass bead is encased in several layers of paper. Darth Vader, after close examination, shakes his head. "I don't know", he says. "Whatever is in here is very, very old and very, very valuable. Also, obviously, it's not very big. But I have the impression that it may once have been alive... the Force is weak, but I can feel it."

that seem to be books (you can nearly always tell books)? no
that seem to be CD or DVD cases? no

Are there any other gifts with writing on the external packaging? it is hard to tell. The small present described above has what may be writing on it, but nothing you or Darth recognises. If it is a script, it is curvilinear. If so, let's drag them from the sack and have a little look at them. one truly bizarre piece of wrapping paper catches your eye. It depicts a number of submarines being blown out of the water. The parcel itself is a rectangular box measuring about 30 centimetres by 20. Darth Vader pronounces it "probably one of those stupid Earth games people give each other for Christmas."
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Oh em gee! Could it be? Nay, this is too easy for a woubit puzzle. But I shall guess anyway.

OK, so the parcel wrapped in the bizarre wrapping paper is Electronic Battleship. And, of course, this gift is for Usmcfink, simply because USMC is the abbreviation for the United States Marine Corps, a branch of the United States Armed Forces originally charged with defending sailors on military watercraft. Albert Fink designed the Fink truss which was utilized for bridges for railroads, allowing trains to traverse over water, which is the very compound in which battleships dominate.
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OK, so the parcel wrapped in the bizarre wrapping paper is Electronic Battleship. And, of course, this gift is for Usmcfink, simply because USMC is the abbreviation for the United States Marine Corps, a branch of the United States Armed Forces originally charged with defending sailors on military watercraft. Albert Fink designed the Fink truss which was utilized for bridges for railroads, allowing trains to traverse over water, which is the very compound in which battleships dominate.

Not bad. Not bad at all. Wrong, as it happens, but could very easily have been right (as usual in woubit Christmas puzzles, the solvers often come up with better solutions than the setter).

As a clue, for you deserve one after posting so ingenious a guess, I remind you again that I am a very old man. When I speak of a game that people used to give one another for Christmas, I do not speak of an electronic game. Moreover, I myself have said it, and I might have been a Roosian...
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You might have been a what now? I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with your grandiose diction.

Oh, so it's Buzzword, of course. And it is for Woodworm, because
1) his username is the same number of letters as "Buzzword";
2) with a simple reflecting, rotation, and reversal of letters, the first half of his name becomes "boom", onomatopoeia like the first half of "Buzzword";
3) with perhaps even more of a simple rearranging of letters, the latter half of his name quickly because "word"
4) there are other various more obscure references this username makes that is relevant (such as wood to cardboard, books and bookworms, various insects, and probably others that I have overlooked that w woubit would be able to easily identify, due to their incredible love of linguistics)
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You might have been a what now? I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with your grandiose diction. there is much with which you are unfamiliar. This is not your fault, because you are young and relatively clueless about anything except console games, but you should not necessarily regard the unknown as not worth knowing.

Oh, so it's Buzzword, of course. And it is for Woodworm, because
1) his username is the same number of letters as "Buzzword";
2) with a simple reflecting, rotation, and reversal of letters, the first half of his name becomes "boom", onomatopoeia like the first half of "Buzzword";
3) with perhaps even more of a simple rearranging of letters, the latter half of his name quickly because "word"
4) there are other various more obscure references this username makes that is relevant (such as wood to cardboard, books and bookworms, various insects, and probably others that I have overlooked that w woubit would be able to easily identify, due to their incredible love of linguistics)

If this were your puzzle and not mine, all of the foregoing might be true, for you are a clever but somewhat irritating sort. As it is, the present with the negated submarines is not for Woodworm, nor for anyone who has yet asked a question on this puzzle, but...
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Since when is Battleship a console game?
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Or Buzzword?
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OK, is this type of game that people give each other...
A sport?
A dexterity/coordination game?
A board game other than battleship and Buzzword?
A card game?
A dice game?
A domino and tile game?
A pencil and paper game (non-Battleship)?
A guessing game?
Other?
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Does this game meet all the requirements as set forth by Roger Caillois in Les jeux et les hommes?
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Also, you never answered my question. My usually successful three-fold research plan has failed. It has no discernible meaning which could be identified via Google, Wikipedia, or Wiktionary. I suppose it is some term that alludes to something from a book that I have neglected to read yet.
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Or, perhaps...

Is whatever this "game" is a gift for woubit, referring to the German word for submarine?
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Yet another guess...

Our lovely microprocessor is for Gourami, because nothing goes better with a fish than chips.
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Can you ask DV if whatever is wrapped in delicate tissue some kind of diamond? Or some other form of carbon?
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Present handover state
1) Presents handed over
Paul: a glass bead, wrapped in tiny sheets of paper
Lynne: a tablecloth and napkins, tied up with a flax cord
Arek_fu: after shave lotion scented with nutmeg and valerian

2) Presents not yet identified:
- a microprocessor, wrapped in foil
- a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
- a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
- a small item, very old and valuable, possibly once alive, wrapped in several layers of thin paper

3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention

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Is the game for Buzzard? (phonetically buzzword > Buzzard)
Are the submarines a reference to the game of Battleship(s)? or Minesweeper?
Any historical battleship? or battle? relevant?
General Roos?
Is the small valuable item amber?
Are the Chinese signs a reference to an aspect of Chinese culture? Chinese customs? an invention made by (or attributed to) the Chinese? (ink? paper? porcelain? gun powder?) an event in the history of China?
Do the say that I won't get this present "for all the tea in China"?
As for the microprocessor: is it a particular type of microprocessor? old? new? large? small? does it refer to a particular type of computer? Relevant that it's wrapped in foil?

and, heh, unlike my namesake from the book I'm not a con man. Neither I'm Russian.
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OK, is this type of game that people give each other...
A sport? yope
A dexterity/coordination game? yes
A board game other than battleship and Buzzword? no
A card game? no
A dice game? no
A domino and tile game? no
A pencil and paper game (non-Battleship)? no
A guessing game? no
Other? no - see above

Does this game meet all the requirements as set forth by Roger Caillois in Les jeux et les hommes? as far as I recall, yes

Is whatever this "game" is a gift for woubit, referring to the German word for submarine? no, but not a bad piece of thinking

Our lovely microprocessor is for Gourami, because nothing goes better with a fish than chips. also not a bad piece of thinking - not right, but not bad

Can you ask DV if whatever is wrapped in delicate tissue some kind of diamond? Or some other form of carbon? I asked. "Not diamond", he said. "But forever."
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2) Presents not yet identified:
- a microprocessor, wrapped in foil
- a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
- a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
- a small item, very old and valuable, possibly once alive, wrapped in several layers of thin paper

add to those a very heavy present, irregularly shaped, wrapped in paper showing the phases of the moon in order.

Add also a "squishy" present that acts for all practical purposes like a pillow. If it looks like a pillow, feels like a pillow...

And add to the description of the small present that on the wrapping paper, there appear some markings that might be a curvilinear script.


3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention

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Is the game for Buzzard? (phonetically buzzword > Buzzard) the game might be for Buzzard or for anyone, but the game is not Buzzword
Are the submarines a reference to the game of Battleship(s)? or Minesweeper? neither
Any historical battleship? or battle? relevant?
General Roos? no
Is the small valuable item amber? yes, or at least partially - very well done
Are the Chinese signs a reference to an aspect of Chinese culture? yes Chinese customs? yes an invention made by (or attributed to) the Chinese? (ink? paper? porcelain? gun powder?) no an event in the history of China? no
Do the say that I won't get this present "for all the tea in China"? no, that was some other puzzle
As for the microprocessor: is it a particular type of microprocessor? neither you nor Darth Vader can discern any more about it without unwrapping it old? new? large? small? does it refer to a particular type of computer? Relevant that it's wrapped in foil? see above

and, heh, unlike my namesake from the book I'm not a con man. Neither I'm Russian. well, whoever you are, thank you for some excellent questions
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Is the game a jigsaw?
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2) Presents not yet identified:
[a] a microprocessor, wrapped in foil, on the foil markings that might be a curvilinear script
[b] a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
[c] a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
[d] a small item, very old and valuable, consisting of amber and something else, possibly once alive, wrapped in several layers of thin paper
[e] a very heavy present, irregularly shaped, wrapped in paper showing the phases of the moon in order
[f] a "squishy" present that acts for all practical purposes like a pillow.

3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, Bodo, Tosh, Buzzard, and all I did not mention

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as for [a]: Would it be possible for DV to find out more about the curvilinear script? Could it be Latin? Arab? Hebrew? Devanagari? Georgian? Armenian? Sindarin? Klingon?
as for [d]: Is there an animal enclosed in the amber? an insect? an ant? a fly? a buzzard? ;)
as for [e]: Do the phases of the moon repeat? if so: how often?
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Don't know much about Chinese customs .. so just some stabbing in the dark:
Chinese naming practice relevant?
Chinese New Year? the year of the bull?
Confucius?
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Is there any other scented present? Is any of the remaining presents alive?
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Is the game a jigsaw? no

2) Presents not yet identified:
[a] a microprocessor, wrapped in foil, on the foil markings that might be a curvilinear script no - the foil that wraps the microprocessor has no distinguishing marks. The curvilinear script is on...
[b] a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
[c] a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
[d] a small item, very old and valuable, consisting of amber and something else, possibly once alive, wrapped in several layers of thin paper ...this present
[e] a very heavy present, irregularly shaped, wrapped in paper showing the phases of the moon in order
[f] a "squishy" present that acts for all practical purposes like a pillow.

3) People still without present: woubit, Peter365, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, Bodo, Tosh, Buzzard, and all I did not mention

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as for [a]: Would it be possible for DV to find out more about the curvilinear script? Could it be Latin? Arab? Hebrew? Devanagari? this is closest, but really not all that close Georgian? Armenian? Sindarin? Klingon?
as for [d]: Is there an animal enclosed in the amber? an insect? this one an ant? a fly? a buzzard? ;)
as for [e]: Do the phases of the moon repeat? if so: how often? about once a month, I guess

Don't know much about Chinese customs .. so just some stabbing in the dark:
Chinese naming practice relevant?
Chinese New Year? the year of the bull?
Confucius? none of these, but good thinking

Is there any other scented present? nothing that is detectably so, at any rate Is any of the remaining presents alive? no
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[e] the heavy present: Is it wrapped in pages from a calendar? That would explain the monthly phases of the moon!
And...would it be for Peter365? Because there are 365 days in most years.
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Oh,oh...and Peter means Rock!!
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[e] the heavy present: Is it wrapped in pages from a calendar? That would explain the monthly phases of the moon!
And...would it be for Peter365? Because there are 365 days in most years.

Oh,oh...and Peter means Rock!!

now we're cooking with gas. The heaviest present is indeed for Peter365, and it is his present for exactly the reasons you give - well done indeed.

This present is a chunk of solid caesium, the substance used nowadays to tell the time (it measures seconds, which turn to days, which turn to years, in most of which there are 365 days).

It is a rock, and as Kaygee points out, the name Peter comes from the Greek petros - "upon this rock I will build my Church." The stuff sells for about thirty dollars a gram, so Peter365 ought to be pleased with a few kilos thereof. Don't spend it all at once.
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Present handover state
1) Presents handed over
Paul: a glass bead, wrapped in tiny sheets of paper
Lynne: a tablecloth and napkins, tied up with a flax cord
Arek_fu: after shave lotion scented with nutmeg and valerian
Peter365: a chunk of solid caesium, hopefully well encased to prevent it from burning off

2) Presents not yet identified:
[a] a microprocessor, wrapped in foil
[b] a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
[c] a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
[d] a piece of amber with an insect enclosed, wrapped in several layers of thin paper, on the paper markings that might be a curvilinear script
[f] a "squishy" present that acts for all practical purposes like a pillow.

3) People still without present: woubit, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention

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[b]: Chinese food relevant? Pekin duck?
[c]:Is there anything else depicted on the paper besides the submarines? Are all submarines on the paper blown-up? Relevant how many submarines?
Are the submarines yellow?
[d]: Would it help to determine what species of insect was preserved for the eternity in the amber? Is the script somewhat close to Devanagari because this is a syllabic script? Is it, by any chance, a shorthand script? a script that is used for a currently spoken human language? or a script for an invented language? a script used for some sort of language at all? or merely a decoration?
Might it be considered as calligraphy?
[f]: Has the pillow a regular shape? Is it filled with downs?
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I knew the rock thing was for me but was too modest to guess myself (honest)

Your gift is most welcome given the performance of my stock portfolio this year. Should i sell now or hold for a while. Also i do recall some kids in my class many years ago conspiring to have me nicknamed Rocky. Thankfully it never got on.

Is the squishy pillow like item a bean bag?

Does the game thing involve building something e.g. lego ? mikano?
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The boxed game: would it help us to know more about the exploding submarines? Is a depth charge relevant? A particular kind of anti-submarine weapon? A K-Gun? Is it a proprietory game?

The preserved insect: is this a scarab? Some other sort of beetle? A butterfly? Is the curvilinear script perhaps Egyptian demotic? Is the Rosetta Stone relevant?
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Also, isn't there an anti-sub decoy system called the Rubber Duck? Maybe the game is Hook-A-Duck or similar?
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Are the submarines yellow?
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The gift with the submarines - is it for Doctapeppa? As an allusion to the "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club"?
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Dah! All these incorrect guesses, and everyone else's brilliant ideas, is very discouraging. :-/
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Is the game actually Battleship (the original analog version)? If not, could it be classified as a wargame?

Is the microprocessor wrapped in tinfoil, or the sort of foil packet that electronic bitz like microprocessors are wrapped in when sold? IE, is it in its original packaging? If so, is there any indication on the foil packet as to which store it's from (CompUSA, etc)?

If I deliberately squish the squishable present, what happens? Does it make a sound, or can we feel its texture? Is it filled with some sort of stuffing (like a beanbag) or air (like an inflatable pillow)?

Is the preserved insect an ant? Bee? Fly? Mosquito? Something else? Winged?

Does any present appear to be liquid (sloshes when you shake it)?
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Do any of the unboxed but wrapped gifts appear to be books?
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Present handover state
1) Presents handed over
Paul: a glass bead, wrapped in tiny sheets of paper
Lynne: a tablecloth and napkins, tied up with a flax cord
Arek_fu: after shave lotion scented with nutmeg and valerian
Peter365: a chunk of solid caesium, hopefully well encased to prevent it from burning off

2) Presents not yet identified:
[a] a microprocessor, wrapped in foil
[b] a cardboard box of about the size of an armchair, but lighter, wrapped in red paper which is decorated with Chinese characters
[c] a box of about 12 * 8 inches size, probably a game, wrapped in paper, on the paper some blown-up submarines are depicted
[d] a piece of amber with an insect enclosed, wrapped in several layers of thin paper, on the paper markings that might be a curvilinear script
[f] a "squishy" present that acts for all practical purposes like a pillow.

3) People still without present: woubit, Brid, Kaygee, Doctapeppa, Bolapara, Sundowner, Rubberduck, Woodworm, Antesse, Mimino, Kdoc, Sunshine, Racoonyboy, Haenlomal, and all I did not mention thank you again for an admirable summary

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[b]: Chinese food relevant? no Peking duck? but good thinking
[c]:Is there anything else depicted on the paper besides the submarines? no Are all submarines on the paper blown-up? yes Relevant how many submarines? no
Are the submarines yellow? no
[d]: Would it help to determine what species of insect was preserved for the eternity in the amber? yes - see answers below Is the script somewhat close to Devanagari because this is a syllabic script? no Is it, by any chance, a shorthand script? no a script that is used for a currently spoken human language? yes or a script for an invented language? no a script used for some sort of language at all? yes or merely a decoration? no
Might it be considered as calligraphy? it might
[f]: Has the pillow a regular shape? yes Is it filled with downs? yes - good question

Is the squishy pillow like item a bean bag? no - it is more like a pillow

Does the game thing involve building something e.g. lego ? mikano? assuming this means Meccano and not Mikado. no. Come to think of it, the game does not involve any Japanese emperors either.

The boxed game: would it help us to know more about the exploding submarines? not really, no Is a depth charge relevant? no A particular kind of anti-submarine weapon? no A K-Gun? no Is it a proprietary game? yes

The preserved insect: is this a scarab? no Some other sort of beetle? no A butterfly? no Is the curvilinear script perhaps Egyptian demotic? no Is the Rosetta Stone relevant? no, but good thinking

Also, isn't there an anti-sub decoy system called the Rubber Duck? I do not know, but a most ingenious suggestion Maybe the game is Hook-A-Duck or similar? it is not

Are the submarines yellow? no

The gift with the submarines - is it for Doctapeppa? As an allusion to the "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club"? no, but an equally ingenious suggestion

Is the game actually Battleship (the original analog version)? no If not, could it be classified as a wargame? it's not a matter of life or death. It's more important than that.

Is the microprocessor wrapped in tinfoil, or the sort of foil packet that electronic bitz like microprocessors are wrapped in when sold? this one IE, is it in its original packaging? yes If so, is there any indication on the foil packet as to which store it's from (CompUSA, etc)? no

If I deliberately squish the squishable present, what happens? it squishes Does it make a sound, no or can we feel its texture? yes Is it filled with some sort of stuffing (like a beanbag) it is filled, as has been suggested, with down or air (like an inflatable pillow)? no

Is the preserved insect an ant? Bee? this one - excellent question. Now, who needs a bee for Christmas? Fly? Mosquito? Something else? Winged?

Does any present appear to be liquid (sloshes when you shake it)? other than the nutmeg and valerian after-shave for Arek_fu, no

Do any of the unboxed but wrapped gifts appear to be books? no
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Is the amber rounded and polished, or rough? Is it attached to a necklace (like a chain or something)?

Do any of the packages smell of lavender?
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Is football relevant to the game (acting on your Shankly quotation) ? It's not Subbuteo is it? If not please tell that i at least i got the spelling right?
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Would Kaygee welcome a bee?
Is the pillow for Sundowner?
I didn't go off in a huff just because I have a dull present but real life got a bit sombre..
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Is the amber rounded and polished, or rough? this one Is it attached to a necklace (like a chain or something)? no

Do any of the packages smell of lavender? no
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Is football relevant to the game (acting on your Shankly quotation) ? very much so It's not Subbuteo is it? it is indeed - well done If not please tell that i at least i got the spelling right? absolutely spot on. Now then...

Would Kaygee welcome a bee? I hope so, at any rate, because that is what she is getting for Christmas.

Not that Kaygee is now or has ever been a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, let alone the Komitjet Gosudarstvjennoj Bjezopasnosti or KGB, the Committee for State Security.

And not that this is an ordinary bee - it is about 100 million years old and preserved in amber. The curvilinear script on the wrapping is Burmese. Happy Christmas Kaygee, or a belated Happy Birthday, or both.


Is the pillow for Sundowner? no, but good thinking
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Subbuteo is also known as Table football in some places is this relevant? Longshot this but is the the story "Mike's mini men" from the Roy of the Rovers comic relevant? although i can only link this to mimino and that's stretching it a bit.
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Subbuteo is also known as Table football in some places is this relevant? no Longshot this but is the the story "Mike's mini men" from the Roy of the Rovers comic relevant? although i can only link this to mimino and that's stretching it a bit. most ingenious. Not right, but most ingenious nonetheless. Consider the wrapping paper, however...
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Buteo is a type of raptor. So the subbuteo set must be for Buzzard...

Please let that be right cos i'm out of ideas otherwise.
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Yeah because if you destroy the sub you're left with Buteo.
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Buteo is a type of raptor. So the subbuteo set must be for Buzzard...

Please let that be right cos i'm out of ideas otherwise.

Yeah because if you destroy the sub you're left with Buteo. very fine thinking indeed - well done

Buteo buteo is indeed the Latin name for the buzzard, and the Subbuteo football game (without the subs, which have been blown up) is Buzzard's Christmas present.
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Would it help to find out more about the microprocessor, e.g. brand, model, characteristics...? Is the acronym CPU relevant?
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Thank you, Santa woubit! That is indeed a spectacular and wondrous gift. I shall treasure it always!

Yet, you have extraordinary powers that you don't even know about! The bee and script are from Burma. There is also tribe in Burma called the Karen...which happens to be my first name! Good job, indeed! Another reason the gift is so-o-o perfect.

Now, as to that Russian bit, I shall refrain from making further comment. Well, I could tell you, but then I would have to... Ah, let's just say that I would be on Santa's naughty list for next year. Not good! ;-)

Merry (late) Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
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Darth. Would you be so kind as to pick up another package, feel it and tell us everything you can perceive? Thank you.
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Would it help to find out more about the microprocessor, e.g. brand, model, characteristics...? not really - you could not find these things out without unwrapping the present, in any case Is the acronym CPU relevant? no

Darth. Would you be so kind as to pick up another package, feel it and tell us everything you can perceive? Thank you. well, there is a thin cylindrical present that is about 20 inches (52 cm) in length. It is made of metal, and has a number of curious valves, holes and the like...

...and over here is a very strange present indeed. It is made of stone, and appears to be in the shape of a man's head with the mouth wide open. The wrapping paper is bright orange.
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The cylindrical present - is it a pipe? An apparatus? Does it need some kind of power to be operated? Is it a part of a larger whole (such as a machine)? Or is it functional on its own?

The stone present - is it a part of a statue? Is a particular man relevant? Is it a symbol?
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Is the cylinder a musical instrument? Woodwind? with a worm inside to make woodworm? - unlikely, I know...
Would the stone gift be more accurately called a bust? Is it part of a fountain?
Is the down in the pillow from a duck? goose? other bird? Does it matter?
Is the armchair sized present literally a box filled with paper? bubblewrap? foam rubber? something chair sized in one piece but very light?
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The cylindrical present - is it a pipe? of a sort An apparatus? of another sort Does it need some kind of power to be operated? yes, though this may mislead Is it a part of a larger whole (such as a machine)? no Or is it functional on its own? well, it will not do anything on its own, but help is at hand...

The stone present - is it a part of a statue? no Is a particular man relevant? no, but... Is it a symbol? yes

Is the cylinder a musical instrument? it is indeed Woodwind? yes with a worm inside to make woodworm? probably not - unlikely, I know...
Would the stone gift be more accurately called a bust? no Is it part of a fountain? no
Is the down in the pillow from a duck? goose? other bird? this not even Darth Vader can discern Does it matter? no, not really
Is the armchair sized present literally a box filled with paper? no bubblewrap? no foam rubber? no - it is heavier than a box filled with any of these things might be, but it is not much heavier something chair sized in one piece but very light? no - the impression is that there is more than one thing inside the box, but they are all light
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Is the mouth of the stone head really open (i.e. is there a hole?) Relevant? Is it assumed to be shouting? Crying? Relevant?

The woodwind - would any other wind instrument meet the same purpose? Or does it have to be precisely a woodwind?
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Is the mouth of the stone head really open (i.e. is there a hole?) yes Relevant? yes Is it assumed to be shouting? no Crying? no Relevant? yes

The woodwind - would any other wind instrument meet the same purpose? no Or does it have to be precisely a woodwind? no - any one of a number of instruments that have a generic name (to which you have already referred) would do
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Would it help to find out which woodwind instrument is it exactly? If so, is it a flute? Bassoon? Clarinet? Or rather an oriental type of instrument?
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Would it help to find out which woodwind instrument is it exactly? no, but... If so, is it a flute? ...it is in fact a flute, but... Bassoon? this would not do in the context of the puzzle Clarinet? and nor would this Or rather an oriental type of instrument? but some of these might.

The wrapping paper on this parcel, incidentally, is black and white - a rather curious colour scheme for Christmas.
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Does the instrument have to be blown from the side?

Does the hole in the stone head serve a purpose? Does anything go through it? Is it a gargoyle?
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Does the instrument have to be blown from the side? a flute does, but other instruments of this kind do not

Does the hole in the stone head serve a purpose? well, it represents the open mouth of the head Does anything go through it? no, but... Is it a gargoyle? no
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Is the head related to the instrument?
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Is the head related to the instrument? no
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Is the head yawning? singing? Does it look like being produced in a specific period? If so, is it antique? Renaissance? Baroque? Modern?
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Is the head yawning? no singing? no Does it look like being produced in a specific period? well, you can't actually see it, but Darth's impression is that it is at least a couple of centuries old, but not much more than that If so, is it antique? Renaissance? Baroque? Modern? see above
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Is the stone the Green Man?
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Does the head represent William of Orange nicknamed The Silent?
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Is the stone the Green Man? no - in fact, it is usually a black man

Does the head represent William of Orange nicknamed The Silent? it does not, but you should certainly pursue this line of questioning, since the colour of the wrapping paper has the relevance that you have deduced
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Does the orange symbolise a colour? A place? A fruit? A period? A movement?
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Does the orange symbolise a colour? A place? A fruit? A period? A movement? well, the colour orange is associated with the Netherlands, and in that respect symbolises just about everything you mention except a fruit. This present is Dutch.
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so is it a Dutch head? Cameras relevant?
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so is it a Dutch head? in a manner of speaking, yes, though not all such heads represent Dutchmen Cameras relevant? no
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Does the stone collect pennies/coins through its mouth?
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So are there more such heads? Relevant?

Is there any relevant expression on the head's face? Does the head have any other purpose than an aesthetic one? Is or was it a part of a larger whole? Would it help to find out which stone is it made of?
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Does the stone collect pennies/coins through its mouth? no, but often there is something in its mouth

So are there more such heads? there are not as many now as there used to be, but there are certainly several such heads Relevant? yes

Is there any relevant expression on the head's face? well, it has its mouth wide open - but you cannot actually see its expression Does the head have any other purpose than an aesthetic one? yes Is or was it a part of a larger whole? no Would it help to find out which stone is it made of? no
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Was the "something" in the head's mouth tangible? If so, solid? Liquid? Valuable? Alive?

Did it stay in the mouth for a long time?
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Is the head a nutcracker?
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Was the "something" in the head's mouth tangible? yes If so, solid? this one Liquid? Valuable? maybe, maybe not Alive? no

Did it stay in the mouth for a long time? no

Is the head a nutcracker? it is not, but good thinking
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Does the mouth move? Does the tangible thing change in any way in the mouth? Does it go from outside in? Inside out? Is it stored in the head?
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Does the mouth move? Does the tangible thing change in any way in the mouth? Does it go from outside in? Inside out? Is it stored in the head? there may be some confusion here, for which I apologise.

To recap: the head in the present is a lifeless, carved representation. It is not a mechanical device - that which is within its wide open mouth will remain there forever.

But it represents what was once a man - not a particular man, like Wilhelmus van Nassouwe-Oranje, but one of a particular kind of men. Those men would, so the representation has it, open their mouths and have something placed on their tongues, which would not long remain there.
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Anything to do with the Egyptian "Opening of the Mouth" ritual? If so, it is a mummy? Or something similar? But also Dutch if I read the above correct? A Dutch mummy?
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Anything to do with the Egyptian "Opening of the Mouth" ritual? no If so, it is a mummy? no Or something similar? no But also Dutch if I read the above correct? certainly not Egyptian, at any rate A Dutch mummy? no, nor a Dutch uncle
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Is the head for D_gordon because of his epilepsy puzzle because people used to think they were supposed to stick something in the mouths of someone having a seizure
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Is the head for D_gordon because of his epilepsy puzzle because people used to think they were supposed to stick something in the mouths of someone having a seizure? no - you do not need to know anything about the recipients of the presents other than the names under which they post to the LTPF. Speaking of which, good to hear from you again...
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Man=
male?
human?
depiction of modern person (1900 AD-present)?
1800-1899?
1700-1799?
and so forth down to 0 AD-999 AD?
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Man=
male? yes
human? yes
depiction of modern person (1900 AD-present)? no
1800-1899? possibly
1700-1799? equally possibly
and so forth down to 0 AD-999 AD? but no others
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OK - a bit of rummaging suggests the stone head is called a gaper and used to be found on pharmacy buildings in the Netherlands. Would Kdoc use something from a pharmacy? Doctapeppa?
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OK - a bit of rummaging suggests the stone head is called a gaper and used to be found on pharmacy buildings in the Netherlands. well done - the head is indeed called a gaper.
Would Kdoc use something from a pharmacy? possibly, but this present is not for her Doctapeppa? nor for him
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Is the chair-sized present for Ostap? Related to Ostap Bender and Twelve Chairs?
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Is the chair-sized present for Ostap? no Related to Ostap Bender and Twelve Chairs? no, but a fine piece of thinking
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The flute's black and white paper: are there any words or images on the paper as well? Such as cartoons or early photography?

Does the gaper's orange paper have anything to do with Ireland and the Orange order? Is Rallycross relevant?
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The gaper...

Relevant the other term "yawner"?
Relevant the term "black moor's head"?

Relevant it is stone rather than wood as many gapers seem to have been?
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The flute's black and white paper: are there any words or images on the paper as well? no Such as cartoons or early photography? no

Does the gaper's orange paper have anything to do with Ireland and the Orange order? no Is Rallycross relevant? no

The gaper...

Relevant the other term "yawner"? no
Relevant the term "black moor's head"? no

Relevant it is stone rather than wood as many gapers seem to have been? no - all you need to know about the gaper is that it is a gaper, and try to figure out who would want a gaper for Christmas. I should say here that this is one of the more obscure pieces of wordplay in this puzzle, but I am sure you can cope.
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Relevant the word "gaper" without other connotations? Anagrams relevant?
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By coincidence, I just got back from Holland, where I saw several of those gapers on postcards and had no idea what they were. Now I know.

For the purposes of the puzzle, is any of these definitions of "gaper" relevant:

an easy catch at cricket?
a fish?
a bad skier?
a species of mollusc?

Is the flute a real, normal, playable flute? Or a "flute" organ stop? And the puzzle would work for other woodwind instruments as well? Would it work for a clarinet? An oboe? A treble recorder? Does it have Boehm-style keys? Or just holes like a baroque flute?

Are there any Braille markings on the microchip? Can Darth feel anything special about the surface of the chip?
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Relevant the word "gaper" without other connotations? yes, and no other connotations are relevant, except... Anagrams relevant? ...this one

For the purposes of the puzzle, is any of these definitions of "gaper" relevant:

an easy catch at cricket?
a fish?
a bad skier?
a species of mollusc? none of those - no definition of "gaper" is relevant to this puzzle at all

Is the flute a real, normal, playable flute? yes, but it need not be a flute Or a "flute" organ stop? no And the puzzle would work for other woodwind instruments as well? yes Would it work for a clarinet? no An oboe? no A treble recorder? yes Does it have Boehm-style keys? Or just holes like a baroque flute? it would be easier if you thought of it this way. As I say, the flute (and the piccolo, and the recorder, and other instruments) belong to a category far more generic than "woodwind", one that was mentioned in a very early question about this present.

Are there any Braille markings on the microchip? no Can Darth feel anything special about the surface of the chip? no - it's just a microprocessor, or microchip, or chip. There is no more that needs to be discovered about it - all you need to do, as with the gaper, is consider who wants a chip for Christmas
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A pipe-like instrument in black and white wrapping? So is the Pied Piper relevant at all? Is this one for Woubit himself, who has led us all a merry dance?
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Also: "grape" can precede "shot", so, using an anagrammatic logic, could the gaper be for Tosh? That would certainly be pretty tortuous :-)
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gaper = grape? pager? Anagram of another word?
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Also, there is an old French woodwind instrument called the chalumeau, which is so nearly an anagram of Alhucema. I thought I had it for a moment.
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A pipe-like instrument in black and white wrapping? indeed... So is the Pied Piper relevant at all? ...most certainly - well done Is this one for woubit himself, who has led us all a merry dance? the dances induced by the Pied Piper were not, as I recall, particularly merry - indeed, they were particularly lethal for the dancers involved. This present is not for me, but no sooner have you correctly identified the present as a pipe than a diminutive character emerges from behind one of the reindeer, who has been enjoying a peaceful snooze.

"This one's mine!" he cries.


Also: "grape" can precede "shot", so, using an anagrammatic logic, could the gaper be for Tosh? That would certainly be pretty tortuous it would, and more ingenious than the actual solution - but a very fine piece of thinking

gaper = grape? no pager? no Anagram of another word? and therefore yes

Also, there is an old French woodwind instrument called the chalumeau, which is so nearly an anagram of Alhucema. I thought I had it for a moment. but for a u, you did - more or less after the fashion of Dorothy Parker, who on seeing some children engaged in the Halloween pastime of ducking for apples remarked "But for one letter, that's the story of my life."
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parge for woodworm?
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parge for woodworm? no, fascinating notion though this is - "parge" according to my sources means plaster, usually ornamental plaster, and one can well imagine some householder covering up the worm-eaten bits of wood in his dwelling with elaborate plaster-work before putting the place on the market. If you meant "purge", to drive out woodworm, I regret that the clever men at Oxford know of no such sense. More fools they, perhaps.

But it is no common noun that you seek - not a grape, not a pager, nor yet an obsolete word for plaster. May I remark once again, Bolapara, how fortunate it is that you have joined us for this section of the puzzle...
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Is Jules Verne relevant - or am I on the wrong tack completely??
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Is Jules Verne relevant no - or am I on the wrong tack completely?? possibly
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Gaper happens to be Prague short of one u .. is this relevant? Anything about Prague (with or without u) to be found out?
Prague has a lot of bridges .. is the present in the end for Brid? (bridge without the 5th letter)

Is the pipe in the black-and-white paper for Ostap? (not difficult to imagine the movie character Ostap "I will be in command of the parade" Bender as pied piper)

Is the pillow filled with downs of the Common Rubber Duck (Somateria mollissima)? ;)
Is it for Rubberduck, nevertheless?

About the parcel with the Chinese characters .. Chinese New Year relevant? fireworks? dragons? Chinese dances? Chinese opera?
and, given the upcoming solar eclipse visible in China, is the parcel for Sunshine?
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Hmmmm. The only other anagrams of Gaper I can find are:

agrep (a "fuzzy string" searching algorithm, whatever that may be),

Perga, an old town in Asia Minor which is allegedly the birthplace of beer (unless the elves have been at Wikipedia again), and

Gepar, which is a Greek proprietory herbal remedy, among other things.

Is it one of these? Is the word "parabola" relevant?

The new fellow who has just emerged from behind a sleeping deer: is he, in fact, the Pied Piper? Can we enlist his help, as we did with Darth? Can we talk to him?
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Is the anagram derived literally from the word "gaper"? If so, is the word "pegar" - a Spanish equivalent of "to hit", "to spank"?
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Gaper happens to be Prague short of one u .. is this relevant? Anything about Prague (with or without u) to be found out? no, but a fine piece of thinking
Prague has a lot of bridges .. is the present in the end for Brid? (bridge without the 5th letter) no

Is the pipe in the black-and-white paper for Ostap? (not difficult to imagine the movie character Ostap "I will be in command of the parade" Bender as pied piper) no

Is the pillow filled with downs of the Common Rubber Duck (Somateria mollissima)? ;) well, the Common Eider
Is it for Rubberduck, nevertheless? certainly - well done

This present is a luxurious pillow filled, as pillows used to be in the good old days, with down from the Eider duck. According to this, a book whose hero is named Matt Eider, God is in fact a rubber duck. I will leave the theologians to debate this recondite point - since God is everything, I suppose He might to some extent be a rubber duck, but this present is for our own member of that species.


About the parcel with the Chinese characters .. Chinese New Year relevant? fireworks? dragons? Chinese dances? Chinese opera? none of those
and, given the upcoming solar eclipse visible in China, is the parcel for Sunshine? no

Hmmmm. The only other anagrams of Gaper I can find are:

agrep (a "fuzzy string" searching algorithm, whatever that may be),

Perga, an old town in Asia Minor which is allegedly the birthplace of beer (unless the elves have been at Wikipedia again) this one is certainly relevant

Gepar, which is a Greek proprietory herbal remedy, among other things.

Is it one of these? yes Is the word "parabola" relevant? yes, indeed

The new fellow who has just emerged from behind a sleeping deer: is he, in fact, the Pied Piper? no Can we enlist his help, as we did with Darth? no Can we talk to him? at present, he is being restrained by Donner and Blitzen from trying to make off with the flute. He has made several attempts to unwrap it, but all have been unsuccessful, yet he insists that the present is his. He looks a little large to be an elf...

Is the anagram derived literally from the word "gaper"? yes If so, is the word "pegar" - a Spanish equivalent of "to hit", "to spank"? no, but see above
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Is it relevant that the full name of the Pied Piper story is "The Pied Piper of Hamelin"? and the phrase "of Hamelin" contains all of the letters necessary to spell "Haenlomal" (albeit requiring that the A and L be repeated)?
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So the gaper is a present for Bolapara because his name can be rearranged (by transposing the last four letters with the first four) to give the word parabola, and a siimilar kind of rearrangement of 'gaper' gives 'Perga'. And Apollonius of Perga was an ancient Greek mathematician (or 'geometer')who first gave the parabola its name....
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Is it relevant that the full name of the Pied Piper story is "The Pied Piper of Hamelin"? and the phrase "of Hamelin" contains all of the letters necessary to spell "Haenlomal" (albeit requiring that the A and L be repeated)? no. but a much better solution than I could have come up with

So the gaper is a present for Bolapara because his name can be rearranged (by transposing the last four letters with the first four) to give the word parabola, and a similar kind of rearrangement of 'gaper' gives 'Perga'. And Apollonius of Perga was an ancient Greek mathematician (or 'geometer') who first gave the parabola its name I could not have put it better myself - well done Kdoc.
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Is the pipe for Erinye? In the series Charmed, episode "Hell hath no fury", Piper becomes a member of the Furies (Erinye).
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Is the pipe for Erinye? In the series Charmed, episode "Hell hath no fury", Piper becomes a member of the Furies (Erinye). If I had known that, it might have been the answer but for one small thing: the Erinyes were indeed the Furies of Greek mythology, but the singular of Erinyes is Erinys, not Erinye.
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Is it relevant that the armchair sized puzzle is wrapped in red paper?
That red is associated with good luck in China?
Is it linked to the Chinese custom of giving money in red envelopes?
Do the Chinese characters spell out the sentence "kung hei fat choi" (or a similar transliteration)?

Is the character who claims the pipe for himself the intended recipient of that present?
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Is it relevant that the armchair sized puzzle is wrapped in red paper? yes
That red is associated with good luck in China? not really - it has other associations
Is it linked to the Chinese custom of giving money in red envelopes? no
Do the Chinese characters spell out the sentence "kung hei fat choi" (or a similar transliteration)? no

Is the character who claims the pipe for himself the intended recipient of that present? no
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The diminutive character is somewhat larger than an elf. Is he the size of a Snow White dwarf? a LOTR hobbit? or Danny DeVito?
Is his identity relevant? his physical appearance? His apparel?

Does he believe that the present is for him because he plays a pipe? desires a pipe? or is there a confusion over names?

As for the red Chinese present, is the relevant colour association wealth? weddings? funerals? communism? summer? the South? fire?
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The diminutive character is somewhat larger than an elf. Is he the size of a Snow White dwarf? this one a LOTR hobbit? or Danny DeVito?
Is his identity relevant? yes his physical appearance? no His apparel? no

Does he believe that the present is for him because he plays a pipe? yes desires a pipe? yes or is there a confusion over names? yes

As for the red Chinese present, is the relevant colour association wealth? weddings? this one funerals? communism? summer? the South? fire?
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Hmmm...any presents out there with a Flemish motif, be it words, pictures, style, etc.?
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Well...since red is the color for the bride in a Chinese wedding...I think...might the red Chinese present be for Brid (one e short...cannot figure that one out)...?
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Is the chip for Gourami which is a type of fish giving us fish and chip(s)? Maybe this gift should have been wrapped in newspaper.

Oh and any chance of a recap on the outstanding gifts.
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Is the dwarf who wants the pipe, Doc? Is the pipe for kDoc?
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Hmmm...any presents out there with a Flemish motif, be it words, pictures, style, etc.? not that I can discern

Well...since red is the color for the bride in a Chinese wedding...I think...might the red Chinese present be for Brid (one e short...cannot figure that one out)...? no need - you have done well enough.

This present is indeed for Brid, and when opened proves to contain an antique Chinese wedding dress. Brid is an antique English word for "bride", which may help to explain the missing "e".


Is the chip for Gourami which is a type of fish giving us fish and chip(s)? Maybe this gift should have been wrapped in newspaper. maybe, but it is not for Gourami

Is the dwarf who wants the pipe, Doc? yes Is the pipe for kDoc? but no
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Woot. Go me and my having a brother who is engaged to a girl of Chinese heritage.
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is the pipe for doctapeppa and doc misheard and thought we said doctor piper?
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Apart from the microprocessor and the pipe, you have - I think - identified the recipients of all the presents you have examined so far. You had better have a couple more to be going on with - after all, there are only six days of Christmas left.

Darth Vader is sifting through the contents of Santa's sack. He picks up a very odd-shaped present indeed. "This", he says, "contains two spheres. One of them is made of glass, the other of ivory. The glass sphere has a diameter of about six inches and is hollow, the ivory sphere has a diameter of about two and a half inches and is solid." Nothing remarkable appears on the wrapping paper.

Darth puts the twin spheres aside and picks up another present. "This", he informs you, "contains a fine powder." The only notable thing about the packaging is that, uniquely among these presents, it bears several postage stamps that identify it as having been sent from the United States of America.
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is the pipe for doctapeppa and doc misheard and thought we said doctor piper? close enough - all you need to do is identify the recipient, after all.

The pipe, a fine example of an orchestral flute, is indeed for Doctapeppa. Some peppers, including the ground black pepper that we add to our food every day, are from plants of the genus Piper and the family Piperaceae. No doubt Doc is a piper himself - after all, the Seven Dwarfs were encouraged to whistle while they worked, and if you have your hands busy with a flute you will be able to avoid doing any actual work.

Better have another present. "Here you are", says Darth Vader, tossing you another parcel. "There are all sorts of things in this one. I can't make every one of them out, but certainly there is a pair of gloves, and a number of small cloths that might be embroideries or tapestries." The wrapping paper depicts various characters from the Charlie Brown comic strip.
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Ok i'm going for the longest of longshots.

Charlies brown comic series is actually called "Peanuts". KP is a popular brand of peanuts in the UK as well as being the initials (and nickname) of England's cricket captain Kevin Peterson. Given woodworm's acknowledged love of cricket and his references to same earlier in this puzzle is this his present?
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Charlies brown comic series is actually called "Peanuts". KP is a popular brand of peanuts in the UK as well as being the initials (and nickname) of England's cricket captain Kevin Peterson. Given woodworm's acknowledged love of cricket and his references to same earlier in this puzzle is this his present? as an attempted long shot goes, this is more the kind Oscar Peterson might play than Kevin Pietersen, I fear
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Can we tell what color the powder is? Is it iocane? Something illegal? Sugar? Salt? Sand? Is it edible?

If it has been sent by mail from the USA, we should be able to tell the exact location from the post office datestamp. We may also be able to learn the weight of the object from the price of the postage, if we can't simply weigh it in our hands.

Are the two spheres one inside the other? Is the glass plain glass, or is it stained or painted to be another color, or have some pattern or picture on it? Are the spheres smooth, or do they have any holes, bumps, ridges, etc?

Are the small cloths in the Charlie Brown package scarves or something similar (since they often go with gloves)? Is the wrapping paper newspaper, cut from the Sunday comics?
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Can we tell what color the powder is? we cannot Is it iocane? no Something illegal? no Sugar? no Salt? no Sand? no Is it edible? no

If it has been sent by mail from the USA, we should be able to tell the exact location from the post office datestamp. it appears to have come from California - more than that we cannot tell, since it is not easy to date-stamp a parcel containing powder that is wrapped in Christmas paper We may also be able to learn the weight of the object from the price of the postage, if we can't simply weigh it in our hands. it weighs about a pound, or half a kilo

Are the two spheres one inside the other? no Is the glass plain glass, or is it stained or painted to be another color, or have some pattern or picture on it? this we cannot tell, since the sphere is inside the parcel Are the spheres smooth, yes or do they have any holes, bumps, ridges, etc? no

Are the small cloths in the Charlie Brown package scarves or something similar (since they often go with gloves)? they may be, but the impression is that they are linen rather than woollen Is the wrapping paper newspaper, cut from the Sunday comics? no - the paper is purpose-built gift wrap
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So as for the chip--is either food known as "chips" relevant? the deep-fried potato sticks known in the US as French fries and in France as pommes frites? or the thin slices of corn or potato (usually), such as those made by Frito-Lay etc.?
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Does the parcel with the spheres contain an orrery?
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Forgot to say Happy New Year!

Do we want to isolate one particular Charlie Brown character?
If so, Charlie? Snoopy? Lucy? Woodstock? Linus? Rerun? Pigpen? Peppermint Patty? Marcie? Sally? Schroeder?
Are any of the following words relevant: baseball? pitcher? mound? blanket? kite? red baron? kennel? school?
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So as for the chip--is either food known as "chips" relevant? no the deep-fried potato sticks known in the US as French fries and in France as pommes frites? or the thin slices of corn or potato (usually), such as those made by Frito-Lay etc.? neither of these - there is no play on the word "chip" involved here

Does the parcel with the spheres contain an orrery? no, but this is not a million miles from the right forest

Forgot to say Happy New Year! not to worry - there is plenty of it left

Do we want to isolate one particular Charlie Brown character? it might help
If so, Charlie? Snoopy? Lucy? this one Woodstock? Linus? Rerun? Pigpen? Peppermint Patty? Marcie? Sally? Schroeder?
Are any of the following words relevant: baseball? pitcher? mound? blanket? kite? red baron? kennel? school? no
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Can DV tell if the gloves are thin dress gloves? winter gloves? catcher's mitts? fingerless gloves?

Can we tell how dense the powder is? as dense as talc? ash? sugar? gold dust? Can we detect any odour from the powder?
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Is (The Great) Pumpkin relevant to the Peanuts parcel?
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is the relationship between the sizes of the spheres relevant? do they signify some other objects? such as planets? moons? the sun?

do we need to find out anything more about a particuler characteristic of the character Lucy from Charlie Brown? or is the name Lucy enough?

is the powder human ashes? is the pwder something that was ground down to a powder? something that was left after evaporation? is it fine like flour? or granular like sand?
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Can DV tell if the gloves are thin dress gloves? winter gloves? these are closest catcher's mitts? fingerless gloves?

Can we tell how dense the powder is? as dense as talc? ash? sugar? this sort of thing gold dust? Can we detect any odour from the powder? no

Is (The Great) Pumpkin relevant to the Peanuts parcel? no

is the relationship between the sizes of the spheres relevant? no do they signify some other objects? yes such as planets? moons? the sun? none of these, though

do we need to find out anything more about a particuler characteristic of the character Lucy from Charlie Brown? no or is the name Lucy enough? yes

is the powder human ashes? no is the pwder something that was ground down to a powder? no something that was left after evaporation? yesish is it fine like flour? or granular like sand? this is closer
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Music of the Spheres relevant?

Lucy's full name is Lucille Van Pelt. It would appear that Van Pelt is irrelevant, otherwise Linus and Rerun would also be present.

Are any of the following found in the "Lucy"
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- A football
- "You blockhead!"
- Violence of some sort (for example, are the gloves boxing gloves?)
- A crab

Oh, is Australopithecus relevant?
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OK - are the gloves and tapestries for Mimino?

In La Boheme Mimi's tiny hand is frozen (hence the glove, singular); she is a seamstress (hence the tapestries); and her real name is Lucia (Mimi - no, Lucy).
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Is the ivory sphere a billiard ball?

Oh, and are the earlier quotations from A.A.Milne and W.S.Gilbert of any relevance to current or future gifts? or to whether or not Woubit has a gift?
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A long shot here - (oh, and an apology for the mention of "glove, singular" above; I did not go back to check on the original post, and misremembered the actual contents) - is the chip for sundowner? If one were currently a Sun (pentium) D Owner, one might appreciate an upgrade.
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Music of the Spheres relevant? no

Lucy's full name is Lucille Van Pelt. It would appear that Van Pelt is irrelevant, otherwise Linus and Rerun would also be present. indeed

Are any of the following found in the "Lucy"
parcel, or otherwise relevant?

- A football there is no room for a football in this parcel
- "You blockhead!" no
- Violence of some sort (for example, are the gloves boxing gloves?) they are not
- A crab no, but help is at hand

Oh, is Australopithecus relevant? a most interesting notion, but no

OK - are the gloves and tapestries for Mimino? yes, indeed - well done

In La Boheme Mimi's tiny hand is frozen (hence the glove, singular); she is a seamstress (hence the tapestries); and her real name is Lucia (Mimi - no, Lucy). again, I could not have put it better myself

Is the ivory sphere a billiard ball? yes

Oh, and are the earlier quotations from A.A.Milne and W.S.Gilbert of any relevance to current or future gifts? no or to whether or not woubit has a gift? no

A long shot here - (oh, and an apology for the mention of "glove, singular" above; I did not go back to check on the original post, and misremembered the actual contents) that's all right - I think that when Mimi sang that her tiny hand was frozen, she meant it to be understood that the other one wasn't exactly at normal body temperature either, rather than that she only had one hand and would therefore need only one glove - is the chip for sundowner? If one were currently a Sun (pentium) D Owner, one might appreciate an upgrade. not a bad shot at all. Not right, but not bad.
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It seems that some of the microchip designers have hidden pictures and doodles on the surface of their products. Is this related at all?

Even if I am off track, it was an enjoyable hour - or so - checking out the images... Silicon Zoo Index
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It seems that some of the microchip designers have hidden pictures and doodles on the surface of their products. Is this related at all? very much so - well done indeed
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might the powder be powdered sunshine, a vitamin D mix from the US? so a present for Sunshine?
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are the weights of the spheres relevant?
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might the powder be powdered sunshine, a vitamin D mix from the US? it might have been if I'd ever heard of the stuff, but I haven't... so a present for Sunshine? ...so unfortunately it isn't

are the weights of the spheres relevant? no, not particularly - each of them weighs a few ounces, no more
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Sodium carbonate? Pink salt lakes in California relevant?

Can we tell if the spheres are attached to each other? to anything else? both to the same thing?
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Are any of the following relevant:
That the ivory sphere is a billiard ball (and not, for example, a pool ball or snooker ball)? That it is an antique ball made from ivory and not a modern ball of phenolic resin or acrylic? The colour of the ivory ball? The type of glass from which the larger sphere is made? (lead crystal, pyrex, ...)That the smaller ball is opaque? Can DV tell if the glass sphere is transparent / translucent / opaque, and if so, is that knowledge relevant?

As for the powder, is the exact location within California from which it came of any relevance?
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Is the glass ball used as a fishing float?
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Sodium carbonate? no Pink salt lakes in California relevant? no

Can we tell if the spheres are attached to each other? yes - they are not to anything else? both to the same thing?

Are any of the following relevant:
That the ivory sphere is a billiard ball (and not, for example, a pool ball or snooker ball)? no - the ball could be used in any of those three games That it is an antique ball made from ivory and not a modern ball of phenolic resin or acrylic? no The colour of the ivory ball? no The type of glass from which the larger sphere is made? no (lead crystal, pyrex, ...)That the smaller ball is opaque? not really Can DV tell if the glass sphere is transparent / translucent / opaque, and if so, is that knowledge relevant? he cannot tell for certain, but he has the impression that there is something within the glass sphere that moves when the sphere is agitated

As for the powder, is the exact location within California from which it came of any relevance? there are certain places in California from which the powder is more likely to have come than others

Is the glass ball used as a fishing float? no
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Could the glass ball be a snow globe? If so, is there any significance in the fact that a snow globe and a billiard ball feature in the opening scenes of classic movies, namely Citizen Kane and The Hustler? Is 'Rosebud' significant?

Oh, and I know this is probably balderdash and tommyrot, (as if the above isn't) but could this parcel simply be 'Balls' for 'Tosh'?
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Is the powder explosive?
Is the glass sphere a snow scene?
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Ooh, I like the idea of the two balls for me. It reminds me of the office memo that went round and one gentleman wrote 'round objects' as his comment in deference to the ladies there. The chief lady however countered with 'who is Mr Round, and to what does he object?'
Had me giggling for the rest of the day. Our office was like The Office. I think - although I never watched it, although why let the truth get in the way of a good story?
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Could the glass ball be a snow globe? Darth seems to consider this highly likely, at any rate If so, is there any significance in the fact that a snow globe and a billiard ball feature in the opening scenes of classic movies, namely Citizen Kane and The Hustler? no, but... Is 'Rosebud' significant? no

Oh, and I know this is probably balderdash and tommyrot, (as if the above isn't) but could this parcel simply be 'Balls' for 'Tosh'? it could, but unfortunately it isn't

Is the powder explosive? I am not sure how one would determine this other than by an experiment that could have unfortunate consequences for the world's children. But one might assume - perhaps foolishly - that the United States Postal Service would not allow a parcel containing an explosive to be carried by its couriers.
Is the glass sphere a snow scene? very probably - see above
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That 'no, but...' - Is the cinema in some way relevant to the snow globe? or to the billiard ball? or to the combination of both? ( An 'odd couple' of balls - Lemmon and Matthau - the 'Sunshine' Boys - sorry, mind wandering again )
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That 'no, but...' - Is the cinema in some way relevant to the snow globe? not to any great extent or to the billiard ball? to a rather greater extent or to the combination of both?
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Assuming it is a snow globe, is the scene depicted relevant? Did the powder itself originate in California; i. e. we know it was sent from there but was it created/manufactured/mined/grown etc. there? Have we yet done any further investigation of what is depicted on the chip? Can Darth give us any idea?

Oh, and a belated happy Chanukah, Christmas, Boxing day, any other holiday I missed and New Year to everyone who does those sorts of things.
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Assuming it is a snow globe, is the scene depicted relevant? yes Did the powder itself originate in California; i. e. we know it was sent from there but was it created/manufactured/mined/ this one grown etc. there? Have we yet done any further investigation of what is depicted on the chip? no Can Darth give us any idea? it is so small that it is beyond even his delicate sense of touch to make it out. But Kaygee has given us a pointer...
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Is the powder Boron? Californian Boron, CAB for ABC?
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is the powder silver ore?
does this package come from any particular part of california?

does the snow globe have people in it? relevant? does it represent a particular place?
is the billiard ball linked to the movie 'The Hustler'?
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is the powder silver ore?
does this package come from any particular part of california?

does the snow globe have people in it? relevant? does it represent a particular place?
is the billiard ball linked to the movie 'The Hustler'?
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sorry for the double post - and sorry, just realised that the question about california has been asked and answered already! it's getting past my bedtime....
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Is the powder Boron? well, borax, but close enough Californian Boron, one would think so - after all, most of the world's boron and many of the world's bores come from California CAB for ABC? not this, though

is the powder silver ore? no - see above
does this package come from any particular part of california? Kern County would be my guess, but it does not matter now

does the snow globe have people in it? not so that you would notice relevant? no does it represent a particular place? yes
is the billiard ball linked to the movie 'The Hustler'? no
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Is any particular use of borax relevant? Buffer solution? fire retardant? insecticide? (and in particular, a formicide?) a anti-fungal agent? flux? detergent ingredient?

The scene in the snow globe: can DV detect whether it depicts a rural scene? an urban scene? a particular famous landmark? an animal? an individual person or group of people? a fictional character, such as a Disney scene?

The cinematic billiard ball link: is it a particular film? If so, is it The Colour (sic) of Money? Billy the Kid and the Green Baize Vampire? Stickmen? Pool Sharks? The Baltimore Bullet? Poolhall Junkies?
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Is any particular use of borax relevant? yes Buffer solution? fire retardant? insecticide? this one (and in particular, a formicide? but not this one) a anti-fungal agent? flux? detergent ingredient?

The scene in the snow globe: can DV detect whether it depicts a rural scene? an urban scene? a particular famous landmark? he thinks this is likely to be the case an animal? an individual person or group of people? a fictional character, such as a Disney scene?

The cinematic billiard ball link: is it a particular film? yes If so, is it The Colour (sic) of Money? Billy the Kid and the Green Baize Vampire? Stickmen? Pool Sharks? The Baltimore Bullet? Poolhall Junkies? but none of those
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