| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 553 Registered: 5-2003 |
She killed her rescuers. Explain. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 111 Registered: 11-2008 |
She = H? A? F? Did she kill them in the sense that the rescuers ceased to live? Did she intend to kill them? Rescuers = H? A? Shot in the dark: is hypothermia relevant? Paradoxical undressing? | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 139 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did she mistake her rescuers for something or someone else? Was she aware that she killed them? Did she do so on purpose? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 555 Registered: 5-2003 |
She = H? A? F? None of the above. Did she kill them in the sense that the rescuers ceased to live? Yes. Did she intend to kill them? No. Rescuers = H? A? Yes. Shot in the dark: is hypothermia relevant? No. Paradoxical undressing? No. Did she mistake her rescuers for something or someone else? No. Was she aware that she killed them? No. Did she do so on purpose? No. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2008 |
Emailed an attempt at a solution. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2008 |
Radiation relevant? | ||
| Racoonieboy (Racoonieboy)
New member Username: Racoonieboy Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2008 |
Is she a lion? Although I only got this cause she's not HUMAN. | ||
| Racoonieboy (Racoonieboy)
New member Username: Racoonieboy Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2008 |
Or a ship? They are usually called she's. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 556 Registered: 5-2003 |
D_Gordon mailed me: Is "she" a sunken ship Yope, and the rescuers drowned trying to raise her? No, though raising is involved. Radiation relevant? No. Is she a lion? No. Or a ship? Yes. | ||
| Racoonieboy (Racoonieboy)
New member Username: Racoonieboy Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2008 |
Is she sinking? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 286 Registered: 9-2008 |
Titanic relevant? Lusitania? Some other famous shipwreck? Are we even talking about a ship that travels on water? Or an airship? Spaceship? Space Shuttle Challenger? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 557 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is she sinking? No. Titanic relevant? No. Lusitania? No. Some other famous shipwreck? Except to specialists, no. Are we even talking about a ship that travels on water? Yes. Or an airship? No. Spaceship? No. Space Shuttle Challenger? No. | ||
| Evt1 (Evt1)
New member Username: Evt1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2008 |
Raise as in lift or communication? Warship? Submarine? Passenger vessel? Commercial? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 559 Registered: 5-2003 |
Raise as in lift or communication? As in lifting from a seabed. Welcome to the forum, by the way. Warship? This. Submarine? And this. Passenger vessel? Commercial? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the rescuers killed by an explosion? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the rescuers killed by an explosion? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 561 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the rescuers killed by an explosion? Yes, indirectly. | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 143 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were there explosives on the ship? Did something on the ship cause the explosion? Or was it something else that the rescuers were doing in trying to raise the ship that caused an explosion? In other words were the rescuers using something that caused the explosion? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 563 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were there explosives on the ship? Well, it's a military submarine, so yes. Did something on the ship cause the explosion? You could say that, yes. Or was it something else that the rescuers were doing in trying to raise the ship that caused an explosion? No. In other words were the rescuers using something that caused the explosion? No, and false assumption. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2008 |
Could "an explosion" be better explained as "the normal firing of weapons"? Was there a chain of events that led to the deaths? Were there 2 ships: a warship AND a submarine? Or just one submarine? | ||
| Slameye (Slameye)
New member Username: Slameye Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is (was) the submarine Russian? American? British? German? Japanese? from another country? Is this FYOI or real? a nuclear (propulsion)submarine? a nuclear (weapons) submarine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 564 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could "an explosion" be better explained as "the normal firing of weapons"? Yes. Was there a chain of events that led to the deaths? Yes. Were there 2 ships: a warship AND a submarine? Or just one submarine? Multiple ships are involved, both surface and submarine, all warships. Is (was) the submarine Russian? American? This. British? German? Japanese? from another country? Is this FYOI or real? True story, with a little irrelevant fiddliness. a nuclear (propulsion)submarine? No. a nuclear (weapons) submarine? No. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 294 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did this happen during a war? If so, insert LTPF list of American wars. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 568 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did this happen during a war? Yes, World War II. The chain of events began before the war started, however. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 75 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is "she" a submarine? Was the submarine being raised from the seabed? Or a damaged ship? or something else? Were the Rescuers on-board a vessel that was being raised? Were they on-board a nearby vessel? Were they swimming in the water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 574 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is "she" a submarine? Yes. Was the submarine being raised from the seabed? At one point in the chain of events, yes. Or a damaged ship? Yes, at the same point. or something else? Were the Rescuers on-board a vessel that was being raised? No. Were they on-board a nearby vessel? Yes. Were they swimming in the water? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 575 Registered: 5-2003 |
Waitasec, I think I misread that. The submarine was damaged, and was raised from the seabed. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the sub's weapons fire? Scoring a direct hit on the rescuers vessel? In relation to the nationality of the sub, were the rescuers members of the enemy's military? Allies military? Same country's military? or maybe Civilians? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 578 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the sub's weapons fire? Yes. Scoring a direct hit on the rescuers vessel? Yope. In relation to the nationality of the sub, were the rescuers members of the enemy's military? Allies military? Same country's military? This. or maybe Civilians? This too, but not involved in the puzzle. The rescuers who were killed were military. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the rescuers' vessel sink as a direct result of the firing of the sub's weapons? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 579 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the rescuers' vessel sink as a direct result of the firing of the sub's weapons? Yes. But look out for a false assumption! (hence the yope.) | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 84 Registered: 9-2008 |
So the subs weapons fired - but not DIRECTLY causing the rescue vessel to sink? Is this where the chain-reaction of events come in? Prior to this event, had the submarine been on the seabed for several days? several months? several years? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 582 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the subs weapons fired Correct - but not DIRECTLY causing the rescue vessel to sink? Correct. Is this where the chain-reaction of events come in? The firing comes near the end of the chain of events. I would not call it a chain reaction, however. Prior to this event, had the submarine been on the seabed for several days? several months? This. several years? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 92 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the sub's weapons fire unexepectedly? Were the weapons mechanical-as opposed to computerized? Were there any people on/in the submarine during this event? Was there any enemy presence near this event? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 585 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the sub's weapons fire unexepectedly? No. Were the weapons mechanical-as opposed to computerized? A mechanical, analog computer was used to aim the weapons. Were there any people on/in the submarine during this event? Yes. Was there any enemy presence near this event? Yes. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 597 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: There is a gap between the rescue, and the death of the rescuers. They are two different events. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2008 |
Was the submarine rescued at an earlier pre-war date, perhaps by a group including non-US personnel, and members of that group were later killed by an attack from that same submarine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 598 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the submarine rescued at an earlier pre-war date, Yes. perhaps by a group Yes. including non-US personnel No., and members of that group were later killed by an attack from that same submarine? Yes. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2008 |
Was the vessel that was sunk, on which the rescuers were killed, deliberately targeted by the submarine (mistaken identity)? or was it hit by a misdirected torpedo? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 600 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the vessel that was sunk, on which the rescuers were killed, deliberately targeted by the submarine Yes. (mistaken identity) No.? or was it hit by a misdirected torpedo? No. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2008 |
...just checking to make sure I've understood correctly... The submarine was a US built submarine? The ship that it targeted in the fatal incident was a US ship? Had the submarine changed ownership in the intervening period? At the time of the fatal incident, was the submarine crewed by [insert LTPF list of nationalities]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 601 Registered: 5-2003 |
The submarine was a US built submarine? Yes. The ship that it targeted in the fatal incident was a US ship? No. Had the submarine changed ownership in the intervening period? No. At the time of the fatal incident, was the submarine crewed by [insert LTPF list of nationalities]? Americans. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2008 |
OK. At the time of the fatal incident, was the vessel that was attacked German? Japanese? [insert LTPF list of nationalities if neither of those]? Were the rescuers on board that vessel voluntarily? as prisoners of war? Had their own ship been sunk previously? They were rescued by their attackers, and subsequently killed in the submarine attack? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 602 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK. At the time of the fatal incident, was the vessel that was attacked German? Japanese? This.[insert LTPF list of nationalities if neither of those]? Were the rescuers on board that vessel voluntarily? No. as prisoners of war? Yes. Had their own ship been sunk previously? Yes. They were rescued by their attackers, and subsequently killed in the submarine attack? Correct. ****Spoiler**** In 1939, the submarine USS Squalus sank in an accident. The survivors were located and rescued with the help of her sister sub, the USS Sculpin. The Squalus was raised and renamed the USS Sailfish. In late 1943, the Sculpin was sunk by the Japanese. Half her survivors were put aboard the aircraft carrier Chuyo. Which was sunk shortly thereafter -- by the Sailfish. |
