| Author | Message | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 409 Registered: 2-2008 |
Why does Joe keep five broken phones in his glove compartment? | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2008 |
Does he know they are broken? Is the number five significant? Are the phones mobile phones/cell phones? Are they all of the same manufacturer/model? Did Joe purchase each of the phones? Is he the original owner of each phone? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Does he know they are broken? Yes. Is the number five significant? Somewhat. Are the phones mobile phones/cell phones? Yes. Are they all of the same manufacturer/model? No. Did Joe purchase each of the phones? Irr. Is he the original owner of each phone? Irr, let's say yes. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is each phone broken in a similar way? Do they still have limited functionality? Were they broken deliberately or accidently? Did Joe break them? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Is each phone broken in a similar way? Irr. Do they still have limited functionality? No. Were they broken deliberately or accidently? Irr. Did Joe break them? Hm...actually, irr. X) | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2008 |
OK... Are any of these relevant: Joe's profession? The circumstances in which the phones were broken? The geographical location? The time / location at which the phones were broken? Whether they were broken simultaneously, at irregular intervals, or at regular intervals? Does Joe know he (oh, better check - Joe M? A?) has the phones in his glovebox? | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2008 |
Oh, and is it relevant that the phones are kept in the glove compartment, rather than the trunk/boot or elsewhere in the vehicle? Are the phones all modern style cell phones, or larger 'bricks' from the dim and distant past? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) OK... Are any of these relevant: Joe's profession? The circumstances in which the phones were broken? The geographical location? The time / location at which the phones were broken? Whether they were broken simultaneously, at irregular intervals, or at regular intervals? No to all. Does Joe know he (oh, better check - Joe M? A? Yes.) has the phones in his glovebox? Yes. Oisin (Oisin) Oh, and is it relevant that the phones are kept in the glove compartment, rather than the trunk/boot or elsewhere in the vehicle? Most places in the car would work. Are the phones all modern style cell phones, or larger 'bricks' from the dim and distant past? Modern. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is Joe keeping the mobile phones in the glove box because they serve a useful function? If so, could any other object (or set of objects) accomplish that same function? Would working mobile phones serve just as well? Would four broken phones be sufficient? three? two? one? Or is Joe keeping them there because of a difficult in disposing of them? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Is Joe keeping the mobile phones in the glove box because they serve a useful function? Yes. If so, could any other object (or set of objects) accomplish that same function? No. Would working mobile phones serve just as well? No. Would four broken phones be sufficient? three? two? one? Sometimes, not always. Or is Joe keeping them there because of a difficult in disposing of them? No. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2008 |
Could Joe foresee circumstances where 5 would not be enough? Are the phones contained within another object, within the glove box, or are they separate? Are they attached to any other object? Is the function which these phones serve one which Joe needs to use every car journey? daily? weekly? very occasionally? or one that he has not yet had cause to use? Do the mobile phones stay in the glove box during a journey, or are they taken out for use? Are other people involved? passengers? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Could Joe foresee circumstances where 5 would not be enough? No. Are the phones contained within another object, within the glove box, or are they separate? Separate. Are they attached to any other object? No. Is the function which these phones serve one which Joe needs to use every car journey? daily? weekly? very occasionally? This.or one that he has not yet had cause to use? Possibly this. Do the mobile phones stay in the glove box during a journey, or are they taken out for use? Both: they stay in the glove box while Joe drives, but would have to be pulled out to use. Are other people involved? Yes. passengers? Yes, and... | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 108 Registered: 9-2008 |
Gourami! Your post numbers started over. You look brand new! Does Joe use the phones to play tricks on his passengers? Or perhaps the passengers are playing a joke on someone else? Is Joe a taxi driver?(I know you said professions don't matter...) | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 344 Registered: 10-2008 |
Are the phones used to entertain? Does he ever want to fix them? Would one be sufficent first, maybe more needed later? Like his wife and he are trying but don't want more than 5 and for one reason or another he wants his kids to be well aquainted with cell phones? Weird. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2008 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) Gourami! Your post numbers started over. You look brand new! The price to pay for getting the "moderator" label, I think. Does Joe use the phones to play tricks on his passengers? No.Or perhaps the passengers are playing a joke on someone else? No...tiny ish. Is Joe a taxi driver?(I know you said professions don't matter...) No. Usmcfink (Usmcfink) Are the phones used to entertain? No. Does he ever want to fix them? No. Would one be sufficent first, maybe more needed later? Not really. Like his wife and he are trying but don't want more than 5 and for one reason or another he wants his kids to be well aquainted with cell phones? Weird. No, but funny. =) | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is the intention that the broken phones be used as if they were working? i.e. held as if they were in use? Does Joe think that he can fool someone with the phones? Is his intention humorous in nature? Is he taking precautions against some future circumstances? Does his vehicle hold a maximum of five people? At the anticipated time of use, will Joe be holding one phone? more than one? Will other occupants of the vehicle be holding phones? Will the vehicle be stationary? ... or is Joe paying homage to a old woubit Christmas puzzle (Five Old Ringers)? sorry for the somewhat chaotic nature of the questions... | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Is the intention that the broken phones be used as if they were working? Noish. i.e. held as if they were in use? No. Does Joe think that he can fool someone with the phones? Yes. Is his intention humorous in nature? No. Is he taking precautions against some future circumstances? Yes. Does his vehicle hold a maximum of five people? Yes. At the anticipated time of use, will Joe be holding one phone? Yes. more than one? No. Will other occupants of the vehicle be holding phones? YES. Will the vehicle be stationary? Yes. Good questions. ... or is Joe paying homage to a old woubit Christmas puzzle (Five Old Ringers)? lol, not intentionally. Let me see if I can find it... sorry for the somewhat chaotic nature of the questions... | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1671 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is Joe's intention to escape punishment for a traffic violation? Any special commuter lanes relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2008 |
Peter365 (Peter365) Is Joe's intention to escape punishment for a traffic violation? Yes! Any special commuter lanes relevant? No. Now I'm curious. What was "Five Old Ringers"? | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2008 |
I had been perusing the archives to try and get some idea of the labyrinthine twists and turns that trap the unwary in a woubit puzzle, and had chanced upon the Christmas puzzle based on the twelve days of Christmas: a cartridge in a square brie, and the five olden kings - the coincidence of the number five and the rings of the mobile phone occasioned my much inferior pun. Sorry! | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is the traffic violation to do with the prohibition on using a mobile phone while in a car? parking restrictions? speed limits? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) I had been perusing the archives to try and get some idea of the labyrinthine twists and turns that trap the unwary in a woubit puzzle, and had chanced upon the Christmas puzzle based on the twelve days of Christmas: a cartridge in a square brie, and the five olden kings - the coincidence of the number five and the rings of the mobile phone occasioned my much inferior pun. Sorry! Ah, I see it now. lol. Is the traffic violation to do with the prohibition on using a mobile phone while in a car? parking restrictions? speed limits? This, no to rest. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1681 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the intention to interfere with speed measuring equipment? Were they going to pretend to be travelling to an emergency? Any relevant professions? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2008 |
Peter365 (Peter365) Was the intention to interfere with speed measuring equipment? No. Were they going to pretend to be travelling to an emergency? YES! Any relevant professions? Yesish. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1693 Registered: 1-2007 |
So would the broken mobile phones only be deployed if they were stopped by a cop? Would they pretend to talk into them? Do they pretend to be Doctors? Do the broken phones still resemble phones i.e they're not smashed beyond recognition? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2008 |
Peter365 (Peter365) So would the broken mobile phones only be deployed if they were stopped by a cop? Yes.Would they pretend to talk into them? No. Do they pretend to be Doctors? No. Do the broken phones still resemble phones i.e they're not smashed beyond recognition? Yes. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2008 |
In the scenario that Joe envisages: He is in the vehicle with four other passengers. They are speeding (is the road relevant - urban area? near a hospital? ambulance station? fire station? police station? on a freeway/motorway?). They are pulled over by a traffic cop. When they stop, Joe and the passengers each take hold of a mobile phone? Are they pretending to listen to them? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) In the scenario that Joe envisages: He is in the vehicle with four other passengers. Yesish. They are speeding (Yes. is the road relevant No.- urban area? near a hospital? ambulance station? fire station? police station? on a freeway/motorway? This works.). They are pulled over by a traffic cop. Yes.When they stop, Joe and the passengers each take hold of a mobile phone? Yes. Are they pretending to listen to them? No. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2008 |
Do they (Joe and his passengers) perform any action using the mobile phones? Do they push any of the buttons? Do they talk to each other? Do they complain about the lack of function of the mobiles? "My battery's flat! ... So is mine!... We have no way of letting them know!!!" | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Do they (Joe and his passengers) perform any action using the mobile phones? Sort of. Do they push any of the buttons? Do they talk to each other? Not necessarily. Do they complain about the lack of function of the mobiles? Yes. "My battery's flat! ... So is mine!... We have no way of letting them know!!!" Along these lines, yes. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2008 |
So do they ask the cop to contact someone for them? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 371 Registered: 11-2008 |
Do they complain that something is interfering with their phones so that they do not function? And suggesting that the same thing interferes with the cop's radar measuring their speed? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) So do they ask the cop to contact someone for them? No. Alhucema (Alhucema) Do they complain that something is interfering with their phones so that they do not function? Possibly. And suggesting that the same thing interferes with the cop's radar measuring their speed? No. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2008 |
They are pretending to be travelling to an emergency. Are they pretending to be any of the following: firefighters? paramedics? relatives of the possible victims? reporters? father-to-be? nurses? priests? Does Joe question the accuracy of the speed radar in any way? Or is the intention to suggest that he has a compelling reason for speeding? Is the identity of the other passengers relevant? Are they adults? children? Is Joe's or the passengers' real profession or employment relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) They are pretending to be travelling to an emergency. No; I'm sorry, I shouldn't have answered Yes before. They are pretending an emergency is taking place. Are they pretending to be any of the following: firefighters? paramedics? relatives of the possible victims? Possibly a yesish. reporters? father-to-be? nurses? priests? No to rest. Does Joe question the accuracy of the speed radar in any way? No. Or is the intention to suggest that he has a compelling reason for speeding? Yes. Is the identity of the other passengers relevant? Not specifically. Are they adults? Yes.children? Is Joe's or the passengers' real profession or employment relevant? No. | ||
| Oisin (Oisin)
New member Username: Oisin Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2008 |
Interesting - they are pretending an emergency is taking place, they are speeding, but they are not travelling to the emergency... Are they travelling from an emergency? Escaping an emergency? Or is the pretended emergency taking place in their vehicle? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2008 |
Were they just going to hold the phone, or otherwise display it near the driving area, when the cop approached to see if they got a ticket? Does the fact that inactive cell phone can still be used to call 911 come in to play? Is this so he can speed across town to a football game, but claim he heard his son was at the hospital, which is conveniently located next to the stadium, and was unable to reach the hospital to see if his son was okay? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2008 |
Oisin (Oisin) Interesting - they are pretending an emergency is taking place, they are speeding, but they are not travelling to the emergency... Yes. Are they travelling from an emergency? Yope.Escaping an emergency? Or is the pretended emergency taking place in their vehicle? Yope. Bolapara (Bolapara) Were they just going to hold the phone, or otherwise display it near the driving area, when the cop approached to see if they got a ticket? Yesish. Does the fact that inactive cell phone can still be used to call 911 come in to play? No. Is this so he can speed across town to a football game, but claim he heard his son was at the hospital, which is conveniently located next to the stadium, and was unable to reach the hospital to see if his son was okay? Wrong circumstances, right idea. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 646 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is his wife in the car, and he's claiming she's in labor? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 416 Registered: 2-2008 |
Jenburdoo Is his wife in the car, and he's claiming she's in labor? Not necessarily, although that could work in the story. | ||
| Smartyllama (Smartyllama)
New member Username: Smartyllama Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2009 |
Would he be believed if the situation ever happened? Is the situation likely to ever happen? Is it likely to happen more than once? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2008 |
Smartyllama (Smartyllama) Would he be believed if the situation ever happened? Possibly. Is the situation likely to ever happen? Which situation? Is it likely to happen more than once? | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2008 |
Were they hoping for a police escort? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2008 |
Howardwoman (Howardwoman) Were they hoping for a police escort? No. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1912 Registered: 12-2004 |
Does he keep any other relevant objects in his vehicle? Would he simply require a broken telephone for himself and each passenger? If the situation happened, and he was exploded, would he likely be charged with perjury or falsification of documentation? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 417 Registered: 2-2008 |
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa) Does he keep any other relevant objects in his vehicle? No. Would he simply require a broken telephone for himself and each passenger? Yes. If the situation happened, and he was exploded, would he likely be charged with perjury or falsification of documentation? He could be charges with something, but not likely. He would probably just remain in the trouble he was in originally. Bolapara basically had the idea, you just need to but everything together. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2031 Registered: 12-2004 |
OK... Here's the situation. He is a teacher, and he is late for work. He hauls buttocks toward the school, but he gets pulled over. "What's the hurry?" the officer asks. "Somebody jacked a satellite and is using it to do an electromagnetic pulse down this road and destroy everything with a circuit board or a computer chip! Look, I have five phones, and they are all broken!" "Oh, in that case, you're free to go." | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2008 |
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa) OK... Here's the situation. He is a teacher, and he is late for work. He hauls buttocks toward the school, but he gets pulled over. "What's the hurry?" the officer asks. "Somebody jacked a satellite and is using it to do an electromagnetic pulse down this road and destroy everything with a circuit board or a computer chip! Look, I have five phones, and they are all broken!" "Oh, in that case, you're free to go." Nice, but not it. Since this puzzle is rotting, I'll give a HINT He is not late for anything. He is just speeding for speeding's sake. Also remember Peter's question: Is Joe's intention to escape punishment for a traffic violation? Yes! And my earlier statement: They are pretending an emergency is taking place. And put it all together! | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2060 Registered: 12-2004 |
OK, the emergency they are pretending is taking place is... Medical emergency? (someone is suffering a stroke) Threat to property? (someone's fancy rims are being stolen) Threat to life? (a child is abducted at gunpoint) Threat to both life and property? (WalMart is on fire) Something completely random? (A trolley is out of control, and you can switch the track...) Possible destruction of evidence? (Someone is flushing their weed down the toilet) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2008 |
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa) OK, the emergency they are pretending is taking place is... Medical emergency? (someone is suffering a stroke) Exactly. Threat to property? (someone's fancy rims are being stolen) Threat to life? (a child is abducted at gunpoint) Threat to both life and property? (WalMart is on fire) Something completely random? (A trolley is out of control, and you can switch the track...) Possible destruction of evidence? (Someone is flushing their weed down the toilet) No to rest. | ||
| Smartyllama (Smartyllama)
New member Username: Smartyllama Post Number: 96 Registered: 1-2009 |
Is the medical emergency: Stroke? Heart attack? Cancer? Physical wounds? (for instance, if they are badly bleeding) Something else? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2008 |
Smartyllama (Smartyllama) Is the medical emergency: Stroke? This. Heart attack? Or this. Cancer? Physical wounds? (for instance, if they are badly bleeding) Something else? Exact emergency irr. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2081 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is where the medical emergency taking place... Irrelevant? Where they are supposedly leaving? Where they are supposedly going? In the vehicle? Is it relevant... Where they claim to be coming from? Where they claim to be going? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2008 |
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa) Is where the medical emergency taking place... Irrelevant? Where they are supposedly leaving? Where they are supposedly going? In the vehicle? This! Is it relevant... Where they claim to be coming from? No. Where they claim to be going? Yes. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2009 |
So if Joe is pulled over for speeding, he (and any passengers) will take the phones from the glove compartment. They would claim that one of them is in the middle of a medical emergency (like a heart attack or stroke, or anything that requires immediate medical attention but does not have any visible wounds associated with it). They will claim to be on their way to the hospital in a rush, but will explain the conspicuous absence of an ambulance by explaining (in a suitably freaked out voice, I'd assume) that none of their phones are working. In this way, Joe believes he will be able to get out of any speeding tickets. Is this it, or is there anything else that needs to be put together? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 418 Registered: 2-2008 |
That's it! **********SPOILER See above post. Sorry that got dragged out so painfully. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2009 |
Sorry, guys... just realized I totally came in and ganked this puzzle after everyone else did the work on it. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2008 |
No worries, it needed a good ganking. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2118 Registered: 12-2004 |
Why would you need an ambulance when you have someone already there to take you the hospital? I would let the ER know that I was coming, of course, but what is the purpose of dispatching an ambulance when you could likely get to the hospital before the ambulance arrives anyway? I would also think this would make sense if he and the passengers did not have cell phones, and I would think that that would be more believable than the fact that each of their phones just happened to be broken and in the glove compartment. Hmmm... Or maybe I just over analyze too much. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 138 Registered: 10-2008 |
Well, most peoples' first reaction when seeing a friend go down is to call 911. If they said they hadn't called on purpose, and were just driving along to the doctor, the cop would have been more suspicious. This way, they have tangible "proof," something to show him. As for not having cell phones at all, the likelihood of five young people going out without a single cell phone is miniscule. That excuse would also mean that none of them could have real cell phones on them, in case they were searched. I can overanalyze too. =) | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2206 Registered: 12-2004 |
Uh-huh. So the police officer would be suspicious that they didn't call 911 when they were rushing "to the hospital", but he or she would not be suspicious that these "five young people" happened to all have broken cell phones that they keep in Joe's glove compartment? As someone with at least a tad bit of law enforcement experience, I doubt that the police officer would worry about whether or not a person had called 911, much less whether any of them have a cell phone that can reach 911. There is a perfectly reasonable chance that a signal may have gotten dropped, or some sort of issues with the battery of the cell phone, or perhaps that they actually had called 911, but that (1) EMS was notified on a channel other than the one the officer was monitoring and (2) following advice from the American Heart Society, the Red Cross, and various other organizations, the friends of the victim decided to take the person to the hospital immediately and be seen by a doctor, instead of waiting around for EMTs or, at best, paramedics to do what little they might be able to do, just to transport him to the hospital just as the friends could have done themselves. Also, when you tell a cop that someone in your vehicle has a life-threatening condition, he most likely isn't going to leave/ignore you or whatever. Police officers are trained as first responders, and the police officer would most likely contact the fire department and then begin to assess the "victim" himself. It seems like that excuse would be a lot more trouble than traffic school or a fine to me. |
