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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Number 1 can be seen.
Number 2 can be heard.
Number 3 could be both seen and heard.

You have probably seen Number 1.
You have probably never seen Number 2.
Some of you might have seen and heard Number 3, however I doubt it.

What/who are they?
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anything to do with lightning or thunder storms?

supernovas?

Time/space continuum?

outerspace?
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anything to do with lightning or thunder storms?

supernovas?

Time/space continuum?

outerspace?No to all
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are 1 and 2 separate things or different aspects of the same thing?

Is 3, 1 and 2 combined?
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are 1 and 2 separate things or different aspects of the same thing? the latter

Is 3, 1 and 2 combined? Yes, in a specific way
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Does any particular aspect of speaking come into play?

a particular language such as Yiddish?

something that would typically only be done by humans?

Nothing to do with the see/hear/speak no evil monkeys?
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Does any particular aspect of speaking come into play? Yesish, with svv of "speaking"

a particular language such as Yiddish? No

something that would typically only be done by humans? Yes

Nothing to do with the see/hear/speak no evil monkeys? No
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chatting over the computer?

typing chat? voice chat? web cam chat?
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chatting over the computer? No

typing chat? voice chat? web cam chat? None of these
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You said that we have probably never seen No 2; might we have heard it?
Are they natural phenomena? human artefacts? Could 1 be seen anywhere in the world? 2 be heard anywhere in the world? 3 seen and heard anywhere? Is there one original object which shows the three aspects? or a limited number of such objects? or are they recreated each time we observe 1, 2 or 3? When you say we have probably seen 1, have we seen the original? a copy?
If we see 1 would we notice it as being a rare occurrence? would we react with pleasure? puzzlement? disgust? anger? fright? ennui?
Do any people make a hobby of trying to observe 1? 2? 3?
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Does SVV stand for something?
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You said that we have probably never seen No 2; might we have heard it? If you saw No 1, you have heard No 2, too
Are they natural phenomena? No human artefacts? yesish Could 1 be seen anywhere in the world? 2 be heard anywhere in the world? You can see 1 and hear 2 anywhere in the world even now, if certain conditions are met 3 seen and heard anywhere? I think (although in this I can be mistaken) that you cannot see or hear the entire No 3 anymore; you can only hear and see parts of it Is there one original object which shows the three aspects? the other way round - there are three objects showing the same aspect or a limited number of such objects? or are they recreated each time we observe 1, 2 or 3? in a way, yes When you say we have probably seen 1, have we seen the original? a copy? difficult to answer - in a way, it is an original, in another, it can be considered a copy
If we see 1 would we notice it as being a rare occurrence? I do not think so would we react with pleasure? probably this puzzlement? disgust? anger? fright? ennui?
Do any people make a hobby of trying to observe 1? 2? 3? Yes for all three

Does SVV stand for something? It stands for "sufficiently vague values" - i.e. your question is basically correct but you are speaking about something slightly different i.e. if the puzzle is about an animal and you ask whether this "thing" can be found on Earth. I would not answer "no" because animals do live on Earth and I don't want the answer to be misleading; however, I want to somehow indicate that "thing" is not the exact term
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Are the arts relevant? Opera? Plays? Classical Music? Cinema?

What we hear in 2: music? voice? noise? Is the act of hearing 2 something which happens in seconds? minutes? hours?
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Are the arts relevant? Yes Opera? Plays? Classical Music? Cinema? Yes

What we hear in 2: music? This voice? and this noise? Is the act of hearing 2 something which happens in seconds? minutes? this is closest hours?

Very good questions... as usual ;-))
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Are we talking about one film? two? three? If two or three films, do they share a theme or subject? Are 1, 2 or 3 human? actors?
Do any of 1, 2, or 3 refer to a complete film; or is 1 a particular scene? or object?
is 2 a particular song? scene? piece of dialogue?

good puzzles deserve good questions... hope I can keep the standard up : )
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Are we talking about one film? Yes, and... two? three? If two or three films, do they share a theme or subject? Yes Are 1, 2 or 3 human? Yes actors? 1 - Yes, 2 - Yesish, 3 - Yes
Do any of 1, 2, or 3 refer to a complete film;Yesish or is 1 a particular scene? or object?
is 2 a particular song? scene? piece of dialogue?

good puzzles deserve good questions... hope I can keep the standard up : ) :-)))
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The voice we hear in 2: is it singing? speaking?
If either those, in which language: English? French? German? Spanish? Italian? Russian?

Are different versions of the same film relevant? director's cut? remake?

Actor 1: H? A? M? Actor(ish) 2: H? A? M? Actor 3: H? A? M?
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The voice we hear in 2: is it singing? This speaking?
If either those, in which language: English? This French? German? Spanish? Italian? Russian?

Are different versions of the same film relevant? No but... director's cut? I am not sure what this is remake? No but...

Actor 1: H? Yes A? Yes M? No Actor(ish) 2: H? Yes A? Yes M? No Actor 3: H? Yes A? Yes M?No
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This is a tough one! After reading thru your answers (three times!), I can't help thinking about Debbie Reynolds' character in Singing in the Rain. Right track?
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could a blind person hear #2? Could a deaf person see #1? is it possible to see #3 while on Earth? Hear it?
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This is a tough one! Thank you! After reading thru your answers (three times!), I am really honoured :-)) I can't help thinking about Debbie Reynolds' character in Singing in the Rain. Right track? yes, you are very much on the right track. And, moreover, although DR herself is not involved in this puzzle, there are lateral twists linking her to 1, 2 and 3.

could a blind person hear #2? Yes, and under certain conditions, he/she still can Could a deaf person see #1? Yes, and under certain conditions, he/she still can is it possible to see #3 while on Earth? Hear it? I think (although I am not fully sure about this) that at present you can see and hear bits of No 3 but not all of it
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When you say "bits of number 3" do you mean there's only certain segments of it that one can hear/see at all, or only that it's impossible to hear/see it all at the same time?
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When you say "bits of number 3" do you mean there's only certain segments of it that one can hear/see at all, or only that it's impossible to hear/see it all at the same time? Exactly so (although it is possible there is something I am not aware of). It was possible to see and hear the entire No 3 in the past.
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Is number one Jodie Foster? What about two? And three? (I would guess, if any, she would be three, because, as far as I know, she can be both heard and seen.)
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So when you are talking about hearing #3, you are talking about hearing a specific recording of her voice? (since it's impossible to only hear part of a person's voice--either you hear it or you don't)
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Hmmm, I don't know, Biograd. Perhaps her voice can reach various pitches, and we all have some sort of hearing impediment that only allows us to hear certain frequencies of sounds...
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I think I may be confused...
Are 1, 2, and 3 more specific than just an individual person? (I've noticed previous questions referring to 1, 2, and 3 as "it" instead of "she"... Haven't we determined that we are talking about three actresses here?)
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So what was the answer to my last question, before my thought about hearing part of a voice?
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Is number one Jodie Foster? What about two? And three? Neither of them is Jodie Foster(I would guess, if any, she would be three, because, as far as I know, she can be both heard and seen.)
So when you are talking about hearing #3, you are talking about hearing a specific recording of her voice? (since it's impossible to only hear part of a person's voice--either you hear it or you don't) We are talking about a person in a specific situation.
Hmmm, I don't know, Biograd. Perhaps her voice can reach various pitches, and we all have some sort of hearing impediment that only allows us to hear certain frequencies of sounds... such as certain mobile phone ringtones which can allegedly only be heard by schoolchildren but not their teachers? Nice idea, but the answer is negative

I think I may be confused...
Are 1, 2, and 3 more specific than just an individual person? (I've noticed previous questions referring to 1, 2, and 3 as "it" instead of "she"... Exactly so. Let us say that we are talking about individual persons in a specific situation. Haven't we determined that we are talking about three actresses here?) see the answer above

So what was the answer to my last question, before my thought about hearing part of a voice? see above
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Is 2 a voice actor for an animated character? So that we have probably heard the character's voice, but not seen the person creating it?
Is 1 that character?
Were parts of 3 destroyed or lost, so that as far as we know it does not exist in its entirety anymore?
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Or, rather: Were some parts of a performance of that character destroyed or lost? Does 3 consist of those parts?
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Is 2 a voice actor for an animated character?No but you are OTRT So that we have probably heard the character's voice, but not seen the person creating it? No in the sense that there is no animated character; yes in the sense that you can hear the voice but not see the person
Is 1 that character? No - see above
Were parts of 3 destroyed or lost, so that as far as we know it does not exist in its entirety anymore? Yesish to yope; explore

Or, rather: Were some parts of a performance of that character destroyed or lost? Does 3 consist of those parts? There were certain moments in the time in which it was possible to see and hear the entire performance of 3. Let us say that the character of performance involving No 3 slightly differs from that involving Nos 1 and 2
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Okay...perhaps only you and I know the movie I referenced. So, I am jumping back in with some questions.

Were 1, 2, and 3 originally created prior to the 1040's? In the USA?
Are the performances of 1 and 3 created by the same actress? Same question: 2 and 3 the same person? (Heck, since I'm asking...) Is 1 and 2 by the same person?
Are you looking for the name of a particular person(s) here? Name of a specific production?
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Okay...perhaps only you and I know the movie I referenced. So, I am jumping back in with some questions.

Were 1, 2, and 3 originally created prior to the 1040's? You mean 1940's? If so, the answer is No In the USA? Yes for all three
Are the performances of 1 and 3 created by the same actress? Same question: 2 and 3 the same person? (Heck, since I'm asking...) Is 1 and 2 by the same person? No; 1,2 and 3 are three different persons
Are you looking for the name of a particular person(s) here? Yes Name of a specific production? and yes. We are looking for three names related to a specific piece of work
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Oops! A 1040 is a tax form. Perhaps that was a freudian slip. Thanks for correcting me!

Is #3 a stage production that is no longer being performed?
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Oops! A 1040 is a tax form. Perhaps that was a freudian slip. Thanks for correcting me!
You are welcome. This reminds me that I will have to file mine soon as well :-(((

Is #3 a stage production that is no longer being performed? Touché! Exactly so.
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Cryptic Question: Are #2's initials MN?
If so, I will wait a bit before asking about more details.
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Cryptic Question: Are #2's initials MN? Yes they are :-))))
If so, I will wait a bit before asking about more details.
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Okay, let's finish this off...I hope you don't mind that I used Wikipedia to find my questions. I don't know this stuff in my head!

Is "The Ghostess with the Mostess" getting to know you? feeling pretty? or thinking it would be loverly?
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Is "The Ghostess with the Mostess" definitely getting to know you? No feeling pretty? No or thinking it would be loverly? Yes. I think this evening you did it ;-))
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Ah, then that will be
My Fair Lady
#1 Audrey Hepburn
#2 Marni Nixon
#3 Julie Andrews

This was fun. Thanks!
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Bravo! bravo! bravo!

And now, Kaygee, you did it, you did it, you did it,
You said that you would do it, and indeed you did!

Congratulations for your glorious victory!
Congratulations! You'll be mentioned in history!

*******************SPOILER*********************

The puzzle indeed, relates to two versions of the musical „My Fair Lady“ - the stage version for Number 3 and the film version for Numbers 1 and 2.

The stage version of "My Fair Lady" based upon Pygmalion by G.B. Shaw, with book an lyrics by Alan Jay Lerner and music by Frederick Loewe, was played for the first time on 15 March 1956 at the Mark Hellinger Theatre in New York City
The first Eliza Doolitle was Julie Andrews, our No 3. She was able both to act and sing – so it was possible both to see and hear her. Unfortunately, no film was made of the entire musical with her (or at least AFAIK). so now we are only able to see and hear parts of it, such as the following medley (unfortunately not a live performance, just the voice but the pictures are just precious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrm_mjAWe-A&feature=related

The film version directed by George Cukor was made in 1964. However, Andrews was not selected as the protagonist despite her perfect performance on the scene. Audrey Hepburn was picked up instead, basically because she was more popular than Andrews. Hepburn was trying hard to learn the singing parts but at the end, almost all of them (except for the beginning of "Just You Wait") had to be dubbed by Marni Nixon (our No 2). Nixon has dubbed the singing voices of many Hollywood stars in musical movies. She was not credited in the film and said she had even been threatened by the producers not to reveal that Hepburn’s voice had been dubbed.

Although there was not any bitterness between Hepburn and Andrews, the latter could have been comforted with her 1964’s Oscar for best actress in another popular musical, Mary Poppins. (the lateral twist for Kaygee – another nominee for Best Actress in that year was Debbie Reynolds. Nixon‘s role remind of Reynolds in Singing in the Rain, although she is not revealed as the real star at the end as Hepburn).

You can compare (and enjoy) three versions of the same song sung by

No 1 - Hepburn's own voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQGvkJiJ9I&feature=related

No 2 - Same scene with Nixon's singing voice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ezy50aY6Bg&feature=related

No 3 - Andrews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJqBaA0CqOo&feature=related


And the credit for it all belongs to you, Kaygee, and for the rest of those who participated in this puzzle. Thank you, it was abso-blooming-lutely loverly :-))

Oh, and I do apologise for late posting and holding you in suspense.
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Bravo Alhucema!

Thanks for giving us the YouTube clips. I really enjoyed watching/comparing each performance.
Your spoiler was as much fun as the actual puzzle!
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Thank you very much, Kaygee! I am glad that you enjoyed it :-))

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