| Author | Message | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 614 Registered: 12-2007 |
They must have realised it, but apparently they decided to ignore it. This might also go quite fast. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 346 Registered: 9-2008 |
Politics relevant? They = politicians? They1 = they2? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 615 Registered: 12-2007 |
Politics relevant? They = politicians? No to both. They1 = they2? Yes. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 188 Registered: 9-2008 |
The realised "it" = the ignored "it"? Question from the title, can "it" be counted? money? | ||
| Smartyllama (Smartyllama)
New member Username: Smartyllama Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2009 |
Assuming that the answer to Kaygee's first question is yes: Is "it" something material? a concept? Is "it" good? Bad? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 617 Registered: 12-2007 |
Kaygee: The realised "it" = the ignored "it"? Yes. Question from the title, can "it" be counted? No... money? ...but this is involved in some way. Smartyllama: Is "it" something material? a concept? This. Is "it" good? Bad? Please define a universal scale of moral values. | ||
| Smartyllama (Smartyllama)
New member Username: Smartyllama Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2009 |
Did "they" consider it good? Bad? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 618 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did "they" consider it good? Bad? Probably neither. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 65 Registered: 10-2008 |
Did they create something? Sell something? Perform a relevant activity? Was it a problem? A potential problem? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 619 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did they create something? Yes. Sell something? Yope. Perform a relevant activity? Yes. Was it a problem? A potential problem? This one. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 208 Registered: 9-2008 |
Are "they" a group of friends? family? Co-workers? Business partners? other related group of persons working toward the same goal? unrelated strangers? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 631 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are "they" a group of friends? Partly this... family? Co-workers? ...but mostly this. Business partners? other related group of persons working toward the same goal? unrelated strangers? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 234 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is their profession relevant? If so, {insert LTPF list of professions}? Is the number of co-workers relevant? If so, {insert list of numbers}? Were they at work when they ignored it? Does the potential problem concern something they produce or an action they perform at work? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 653 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is their profession relevant? If so, {insert LTPF list of professions}? Yes, Artistic / musical / writer and Entertainment / Media. Is the number of co-workers relevant? If so, {insert list of numbers}? Yes, 6. Were they at work when they ignored it? Yes. Does the potential problem concern something they produce or an action they perform at work? Yes. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2008 |
Do they write songs? Compose music? Perform music? Produce CDs? Run a site for music downloads? Manufacture mp3 players? Record music? Deal with musicians? Was the potential problem an electronic one? A mistake in the lyrics of a song? Or the cover notes for an album? A question of whether or not buyers would buy? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 656 Registered: 12-2007 |
Do they write songs? Among other things. Compose music? Among other things. Perform music? No-ish. Produce CDs? Run a site for music downloads? Manufacture mp3 players? Record music? Deal with musicians? No or irrelevant to rest. Was the potential problem an electronic one? No. A mistake in the lyrics of a song? No, but explore. Or the cover notes for an album? No. A question of whether or not buyers would buy? No. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 670 Registered: 12-2007 |
***** RECAP ***** Six friends and co-workers in the field of arts and entertainment must have realised that there was a potential problem (with something yet to be discovered), but decided to ignore it. The fact that they composed music and wrote songs is only marginally relevant. What are we talking about? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2008 |
Does this deal with some sort of recording technology (8-tracks, tapes, CDs, MP3, etc)? Did they invent something? Are they members of a band? Was the problem with something they said in public? Something they wrote? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 692 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does this deal with some sort of recording technology (8-tracks, tapes, CDs, MP3, etc)? No. Did they invent something? No. Are they members of a band? A music band? No. Was the problem with something they said in public? Something they wrote? Both. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 447 Registered: 12-2008 |
That all the fire doors were locked? copyright infringement? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 724 Registered: 12-2007 |
That all the fire doors were locked? copyright infringement? No to both. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 483 Registered: 12-2008 |
religion relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 725 Registered: 12-2007 |
religion relevant? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 875 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did something go wrong because they ignored the problem? Was it fatal? Cost money? Was the problem physical? Mental? Moral? A lack of something? Could they have solved the problem by discussion? Purchasing something? Building something? Were they lazy? Did they offend someone? Did they forget something? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 727 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did something go wrong because they ignored the problem? No. Was it fatal? Cost money? So no to these. Was the problem physical? No. Mental? Yes-ish. Moral? No. A lack of something? Let's say no, to keep things simpler. Could they have solved the problem by discussion? Yes. Purchasing something? No. Building something? No. Were they lazy? No. Did they offend someone? No. Did they forget something? No. Some general questions about the puzzle have not been asked yet and might help. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 118 Registered: 2-2009 |
Were they singers? Was there a problem with the lyrics of one of their songs? with the way they sang something? Did at least one of them say? or sing? something that didn't make sense with the rest of the song? with what the others were singing? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 735 Registered: 12-2007 |
Were they singers? No. Was there a problem with the lyrics of one of their songs? No, but explore. with the way they sang something? No. Did at least one of them say? Yes. or sing? No. something that didn't make sense with the rest of the song? Yope to the concept, but no song is involved. with what the others were singing? So no to this. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1202 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are they all human? adults? gender relevant? Era? or location? relevant? Is it a true story? fiction? film/TV? FYOI? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 741 Registered: 12-2007 |
Are they all human? Yes. adults? Yes. gender relevant? Yes, males. Era? or location? relevant? Both. Is it a true story? Yes, but... fiction? film/TV? ...TV is relevant. FYOI? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1203 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'm too lazy at this hour to type it all, so PLEASE be a gent and insert the LTPF lists of eras? and locations??? Is it a true story adapted for television? If so, a film? documentary? series? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 742 Registered: 12-2007 |
I'm too lazy at this hour to type it all, so PLEASE be a gent and insert the LTPF lists of eras? and locations??? Twentieth century, UK, m'lady. Is it a true story adapted for television? If so, a film? documentary? series? No to all. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1206 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hmm, like the m'lady part, makes me feel aristoctratic, lol You said it's a true story. Is it something most of us will have heard about? Relevant what part of the UK it is? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 743 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hmm, like the m'lady part, makes me feel aristoctratic, lol At your service, madam ;-) You said it's a true story. Is it something most of us will have heard about? Depends on your interests and background. Relevant what part of the UK it is? No, not really. | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is this early twentieth century? Is something being performed live? Would this problem exist if there were 5 members? 7? 8? Was there a problem with script? Was a typo made, but they decided it made sense and was kind of funny, so they kept it? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 747 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sorry for the long delay, been away on a conference. Is this early twentieth century? No. Is something being performed live? No. Would this problem exist if there were 5 members? 7? 8? Agh, tough one. The puzzle is based on a real event and in the real event six people were involved. In principle it would be possible with any number of people, but it couldn't be ANY six people, either. Was there a problem with script? Yope. Was a typo made, but they decided it made sense and was kind of funny, so they kept it? No, but not one million miles from the right forest. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 319 Registered: 9-2008 |
Were the men in advertising/marketing? If yes: Was there a potential problem with the content of their campaign? Or a potential problem the actual product? Was there a misunderstanding? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 752 Registered: 12-2007 |
Were the men in advertising/marketing? No. If yes: Was there a potential problem with the content of their campaign? Or a potential problem the actual product? Was there a misunderstanding? There might have been one, for svv of misunderstanding. ***** RECAP ***** UK, late 20th century. Six male friends and co-workers in the field of arts and entertainment (I recommend you better define their occupation) realised that there was a potential problem with one of their works (to be discovered), but decided to ignore it. The fact that they composed music and wrote songs is only marginally relevant. TV is relevant. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 320 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is their occupation related to TV? A taped show? or a live show? Are they writers? musicians? producers? directors? actors/performers? set designers/builders? camera-men? technicians? reporters/journalists? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 756 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is their occupation related to TV? Yes. A taped show? This. or a live show? Are they writers? This... musicians? ...marginally this... producers? directors? actors/performers? ...but mostly this. set designers/builders? camera-men? technicians? reporters/journalists? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 796 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is any improv involved in the show? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 758 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is any improv involved in the show? No, I don't think so. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 321 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is their "taped show" a sitcom? episodic? soap opera? variety show? talk show? game show? movie? cartoon? Is the work in question one of the episodes of this TV show? A smaller segment in one of the episodes? More than one episode or segment? Are the six men celebrities? Would most of us know their names? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 759 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is their "taped show" a sitcom? episodic? soap opera? variety show? This is closest. talk show? game show? movie? cartoon? Is the work in question one of the episodes of this TV show? A smaller segment in one of the episodes? This. More than one episode or segment? Are the six men celebrities? Yes. Would most of us know their names? Yes. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 323 Registered: 9-2008 |
Ah, would this be Monty Python? Did one of their sketches have a potential problem that was changed before airing it? Not changed and aired anyway? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 760 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ah, would this be Monty Python? Who else :-) I thought this bit would take much less. Did one of their sketches have a potential problem Yes. that was changed before airing it? Not changed and aired anyway? The puzzle is based on a conjecture of mine, so the correct answer would be "Don't know". In my conjecture, however, they aired it without changing it. | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 271 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is the problem related to some kind of incongruity? Was there an invalid premise? Was the skit topical in nature? Did real-life events change such that a major or minor premise was no longer valid? Is problem contained within the dialog and story encapsulated in the skit? Or does it relate to considerations and elements outside of the script but related to the performance of the skit (real-world business considerations)? Money is involved in some way, correct? Is it related to the real-world business considerations of Monty Python? Or to elements within the script? | ||
| Mel58109 (Mel58109)
New member Username: Mel58109 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was there a problem with translation? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 761 Registered: 12-2007 |
Davesnothere: Is the problem related to some kind of incongruity? Yes. Was there an invalid premise? But no. Was the skit topical in nature? Did real-life events change such that a major or minor premise was no longer valid? No to both. Is problem contained within the dialog and story encapsulated in the skit? Yes. Or does it relate to considerations and elements outside of the script but related to the performance of the skit (real-world business considerations)? No. Money is involved in some way, correct? Correct. Is it related to the real-world business considerations of Monty Python? Or to elements within the script? The latter. Mel58109: Was there a problem with translation? No. | ||
| Akshaydeshpande (Akshaydeshpande)
New member Username: Akshaydeshpande Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2009 |
Any thing related to name ? Flying Circus ? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1975 Registered: 1-2007 |
Yeehaw a Monty Python puzzle.... Are any of the following relevant? Dead Parrots? Lumberjacks? Upper Class Twits? Cheese? Spam? The Spanish Inquisition? Speaking Hungarian? Self Defense against fruit? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 762 Registered: 12-2007 |
Akshaydeshpande: Any thing related to name ? Flying Circus ? No to both. Peter365: Are any of the following relevant? Dead Parrots? Lumberjacks? Upper Class Twits? Cheese? Spam? The Spanish Inquisition? Speaking Hungarian? Self Defense against fruit? None of these. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 528 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the error in some fact mentioned or used in the skit? (i.e. the skit refered to some real fact or event, but in a wrong way, or the fact was wrong) Did the skit contain a logical error? an error in the continuity? (i.e. it refered to a previous skit, but in a wrong way) Did a relevant fact change, or a relevant event happen between the day the skit was skripted or filmed and the day it was aired? Prices relevant? Currencies? if so: British currency? shillings? Coins? Bank notes? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1977 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the sketch in question form the TV series or does it appear in one of their films? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 763 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sundowner: Is the error in some fact mentioned or used in the skit? No. (i.e. the skit refered to some real fact or event, but in a wrong way, or the fact was wrong) Did the skit contain a logical error? Yes. an error in the continuity? No. (i.e. it refered to a previous skit, but in a wrong way) Did a relevant fact change, or a relevant event happen between the day the skit was skripted or filmed and the day it was aired? No. Prices relevant? Yes. Currencies? if so: British currency? shillings? Currencies are irrelevant. Coins? Bank notes? And so are these. Peter365: Is the sketch in question form the TV series or does it appear in one of their films? From the TV series. I should say that determining the skit will probably bring you immediately to the solution. However, I will not allow any LTPF list of Monty Python skits -- that would spoil half of the fun. Let's see how well you remember the TV show :-) I'm sure you will not disappoint me. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1978 Registered: 1-2007 |
Well i'll ask two that mention money in them. 4 Yorkshiremen? Ministry of silly walks (John Cleese mentions that one of the governments main spending areas is silly walks)? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 764 Registered: 12-2007 |
4 Yorkshiremen? Ministry of silly walks (John Cleese mentions that one of the governments main spending areas is silly walks)? No to both. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1982 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is decimalisation relevant? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 765 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is decimalisation relevant? Meaning, passing from a non-decimal system to a decimal one? No. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1988 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the sketch take place in a shop? cafe? restaurant? other place of business? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 766 Registered: 12-2007 |
Does the sketch take place in a shop? This. cafe? restaurant? other place of business? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1994 Registered: 1-2007 |
Ok it's a shop but not the Pet shop that sold the Norwegian Blue, the cheese shop or the shop selling cigarettes to the hungarian gentleman. What about the lingerie shop that the bank robber attempts to hold up? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 771 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ok it's a shop but not the Pet shop that sold the Norwegian Blue, the cheese shop or the shop selling cigarettes to the hungarian gentleman. Correct, none of these. What about the lingerie shop that the bank robber attempts to hold up? Oh, I don't know that one. So no :-) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2003 Registered: 1-2007 |
I must admit i'm stumped. I consider myself somewhat of a python expert but can't for the life of me think of the scene your referring to... Is the shop a newsagents? pharmacy? clothes shop? fruit & veg shop? electrical goods? other? Sorry for sledgehammer approach | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 777 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the shop a newsagents? pharmacy? clothes shop? fruit & veg shop? electrical goods? other? This. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 778 Registered: 12-2007 |
I'm going on vacation until the end of the month, but feel free to leave questions. I'll answer them as soon as I'm back. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 779 Registered: 12-2007 |
I'm back! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 435 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it a shop that sells food? Beverages? Non-food objects? A service? Information? Something verbal (e.g. a title, an opinion, a nickname, a story)? Does the shop sell nothing? Sell something that people already have access to (e.g. air)? Prices are relevant, so is the error mathematical? Is the error related to ranks of values (what I mean by this is whether there is something priced higher than something it is obviously worth less than)? Are two of something cheaper than one of the same thing? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 780 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is it a shop that sells food? Beverages? Non-food objects? This. A service? Information? Something verbal (e.g. a title, an opinion, a nickname, a story)? Does the shop sell nothing? Incorrect. Sell something that people already have access to (e.g. air)? No. Prices are relevant, so is the error mathematical? Yes. Is the error related to ranks of values (what I mean by this is whether there is something priced higher than something it is obviously worth less than)? Are two of something cheaper than one of the same thing? No to rest. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 470 Registered: 7-2009 |
Where would the items be most likely to be found? Kitchen? Dining room? Living/Family Room? Bathroom? Bedroom? Office? Outdoors? In a public place? In a closet/dresser? On a person? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 781 Registered: 12-2007 |
Where would the items be most likely to be found? Kitchen? Dining room? Living/Family Room? Bathroom? Bedroom? This. Office? Outdoors? In a public place? In a closet/dresser? On a person? No to rest. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 502 Registered: 7-2009 |
Sheets? Blankets? Beds? Pillows? Wardrobes? Dressers? Alarm clocks? Sleep aids? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 782 Registered: 12-2007 |
Sheets? Blankets? Beds? This. Feel free to google. Pillows? Wardrobes? Dressers? Alarm clocks? Sleep aids? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 505 Registered: 7-2009 |
I see that there's a Monty Python skit about a bed shop where a couple tries to buy a mattress. I haven't seen it. Is that the one? You're saying that there's a mathematical error in the price of one of the mattresses? In the price of buying multiple mattresses? Did they do some silly math that resulted in an obscure pricing scheme? Like price per hour of sleeping? Or price per number of people on the mattress? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 783 Registered: 12-2007 |
I see that there's a Monty Python skit about a bed shop where a couple tries to buy a mattress. I haven't seen it. Is that the one? Yep. You're saying that there's a mathematical error in the price of one of the mattresses? Yope. In the price of buying multiple mattresses? Did they do some silly math that resulted in an obscure pricing scheme? That's for sure, but there's more to it. Like price per hour of sleeping? Or price per number of people on the mattress? Nothing of this kind. Did you watch the skit? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 532 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the error/misunderstanding/misconception around "ten times the amount" and "ten times higher than the amount" (ie. eleven times the amount)? And I would have bet that this puzzle is about the Argument Clinic .. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 784 Registered: 12-2007 |
Is the error/misunderstanding/misconception around "ten times the amount" and "ten times higher than the amount" (ie. eleven times the amount)? No. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 556 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ok, I finally got a chance to watch it. So person A always multiplies numbers by 10. So if he means 8, he says 80. Person B always divides numbers by 3. So if he means 6, he says 2. However, person A explains person B to the couple. But he said that to understand person B, you have to multiply what B says "by 3" when what he should have said was "by 30" Is this the error you speak of? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 785 Registered: 12-2007 |
************* SPOILER ************* Ok, I finally got a chance to watch it. So person A always multiplies numbers by 10. So if he means 8, he says 80. Person B always divides numbers by 3. So if he means 6, he says 2. However, person A explains person B to the couple. But he said that to understand person B, you have to multiply what B says "by 3" when what he should have said was "by 30" Is this the error you speak of? Spot on. I'm sure they recognised the problem, but decided to ignore it to keep the skit fluid. Thanks for playing! |
