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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who was recently exposed as 'Ireland's Worst Driver'?
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Oh dear it's not me is it?

Are we talking about driver as in motor vehicles? golf?

Do we need to establish where this person was named as worst driver? in a court? on a tv show? in a newspaper? magazine? other publication?

Is the worst driver famous?

And most importantly of all is it a male?
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Is it a human being?

Is the recency factor (date of expose) relevant here? If yes, what was it?
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PETER,

Oh dear it's not me is it?
NO

Are we talking about driver as in motor vehicles? golf?
YES, NO

Do we need to establish where this person was named as worst driver? in a court? on a tv show? in a newspaper? magazine? other publication?
NO, NO, POSSIBLY, YES, YES, YES

Is the worst driver famous?
NO

And most importantly of all is it a male?
STRICTLY SPEAKING - NO
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FINNO,

Is it a human being?
STRICTLY - NO

Is the recency factor (date of expose) relevant here? If yes, what was it?
YES, VERY RECENT
Finno (Finno)
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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 1:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What trouble did the driver cause?
Was the driver directly responsible for the troubles caused?
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Has it got something to do with computer technology i.e. 'the driver' refers to a piece of software or is it some mechanical device like a shaft/piston in an engine?
This event could have been possible in the past (Say 19th century)?
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FINNO,

What trouble did the driver cause?
MAINLY SPEEDING AND PARKING OFFENCES

Was the driver directly responsible for the troubles caused?
YES
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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 1:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read about this, so won't ask questions. Good one!
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Did this person who was strictly not human actually drive a car? Is it something like a fake name that lost of people gave when pulled over by the police?
If we lived in less enlightened times, might this story be a good basis for an Irishman joke?
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BENTARM,

Did this person who was strictly not human actually drive a car?
YES (AND N0)

Is it something like a fake name that lots of people gave when pulled over by the police?
YES

If we lived in less enlightened times, might this story be a good basis for an Irishman joke?
YES
Finno (Finno)
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Will you please answer my questions too?
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FINNO,

SORRY

Has it got something to do with computer technology i.e. 'the driver' refers to a piece of software or is it some mechanical device like a shaft/piston in an engine?
NO

This event could have been possible in the past (Say 19th century)?
NO
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am referring to Bentarm's question which you answered in affirmative: "Is it something like a fake name that lots of people gave when pulled over by the police? - YES"
Did this exposure happen after some fault in the traffic police register was found? By whom?
How could people give false names to police when the driving license does mention the full name and address of the driver (It mentions so in India, don't know about Ireland - but it must be!)? Was this an error on the part of the policeman? Deliberate (as in corruption) or genuine (negligence)?
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FINNO,

I am referring to Bentarm's question which you answered in affirmative: "Is it something like a fake name that lots of people gave when pulled over by the police? - YES"

Did this exposure happen after some fault in the traffic police register was found?
YES

By whom?
I CAN ONLY ANSWER YES OR NO

How could people give false names to police when the driving license does mention the full name and address of the driver (It mentions so in India, don't know about Ireland - but it must be!)?
GOOD QUESTION

Was this an error on the part of the policeman?
YES

Deliberate (as in corruption) or genuine (negligence)?
NO, YES
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 11:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Irish language relevant? Perhaps non-Irish-speaking policemen thought to transcribe first name and surname, but what they really wrote was "First name" and "Surname" in Gaelic?
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Was this negligence committed by the same policeman? Or multiple policemen?
Were these multiple policemen from same city/area (a radius of 20 KM)?
Are the traffic crimes tracked by Offender names or by some other unique identification number (say license number)?

This is not really a new set of questions, but just to validate my thinking process so far, please answer:
1. More than one persons were found violating traffic laws and punished
2. Their licenses were genuine
3. Police officers (one or many) made unintentional mistake in entering the offenders' names in their register
4. All of the policemen entered the same person name in their database
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AREK,

Irish language relevant? Perhaps non-Irish-speaking policemen thought to transcribe first name and surname, but what they really wrote was "First name" and "Surname" in Gaelic?

NO (BUT.....)
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 12:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FINNO,

Was this negligence committed by the same policeman? Or multiple policemen?
NO, YES

Were these multiple policemen from same city/area (a radius of 20 KM)?
NO

Are the traffic crimes tracked by Offender names or by some other unique identification number (say license number)?
NAMES

This is not really a new set of questions, but just to validate my thinking process so far, please answer:

1. More than one persons were found violating traffic laws and punished
CORRECT

2. Their licenses were genuine
CORRECT

3. Police officers (one or many) made unintentional mistake in entering the offenders' names in their register
CORRECT

4. All of the policemen entered the same person name in their database
CORRECT
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Well, I think I am close to the answer, but since I don't know how an Irish passport looks like, I can not pinpoint the exact problem.
The only reason why different policemen can unintentionally enter the same wrong name into their database from a valid set of driving license is that ALL licenses had one name in common apart from the actual driver name. Now this common name can be anything - the name of the prime minister, president or the security chief. And all the policemen entered this name in their database ... although this sounds ridiculous; you will double check if you find some one who has exactly the same name as your prime minister or president, don't you?
Please tell whether this thread of thought is right. If yes, then guessing the common name is next to impossible for some one who has not seen the Irish driving license.
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FINNO,

Well, I think I am close to the answer, but since I don't know how an Irish passport looks like, I can not pinpoint the exact problem.
The only reason why different policemen can unintentionally enter the same wrong name into their database from a valid set of driving license is that ALL licenses had one name in common apart from the actual driver name. Now this common name can be anything - the name of the prime minister, president or the security chief. And all the policemen entered this name in their database ... although this sounds ridiculous; you will double check if you find some one who has exactly the same name as your prime minister or president, don't you?
Please tell whether this thread of thought is right. If yes, then guessing the common name is next to impossible for some one who has not seen the Irish driving license.

YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT LINES BUT MISSING SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 2:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm puzzled because i'm looking at my Irish Drivers Licence and there's nothing on it that could be taken to be a name other than the actual drivers name.

So i take it these are not Irish Drivers Licences? Is some mistranslation involved?
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Where did passports come from? I thought this was about driver licenses.
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Oh, and I've heard of this before, so I will say nothing more.
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Ok, so just to clarify: There WAS something common to ALL these driving licenses while the rest of the content was different?
This common thing was in some other language that the policemen did not understand?
My knowledge of Ireland is very poor, so, is Ireland a multilingual country? What is the official language?
Were all these multinational licenses (valid in more than one country - if any such concept exists)?
And it was my mistake, I have used the words passport & driving licenses interchangeably - it concerns driving licenses and not passports?
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PETER,

I'm puzzled because i'm looking at my Irish Drivers Licence and there's nothing on it that could be taken to be a name other than the actual drivers name.
CORRECT

So i take it these are not Irish Drivers Licences? Is some mistranslation involved?
YES, YES
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FINNO,

Ok, so just to clarify: There WAS something common to ALL these driving licenses while the rest of the content was different?
YES

This common thing was in some other language that the policemen did not understand?
CORRECT

My knowledge of Ireland is very poor, so, is Ireland a multilingual country? What is the official language?
ENGLISH (AND IRISH)

Were all these multinational licenses (valid in more than one country - if any such concept exists)?
I WOULD SAY NO

And it was my mistake, I have used the words passport & driving licenses interchangeably - it concerns driving licenses and not passports?
CORRECT
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So the upshot is that something about these particular licenses causes the police to put something other than the person's name down because that "something other" is in the same or a similar place to where the name is on an Irish license? Is it an official phrase (e. g. "must wear corrective lenses")? Would it appear on all of the licenses in question? Is it the name of something?
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BODO,

So the upshot is that something about these particular licenses causes the police to put something other than the person's name down because that "something other" is in the same or a similar place to where the name is on an Irish license?
CORRECT

Is it an official phrase (e. g. "must wear corrective lenses")? Would it appear on all of the licenses in question? Is it the name of something?
YES TO THOSE
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Were these standard EU-style driving licences?
Was it just the words "surname" or "first name" in whatever language the licence was printed in?
The words "driving licence?
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* * * SPOILER * * *

Bentarm,

Were these standard EU-style driving licences?
No - but close.

The words "driving licence?

Yes.

The police database contained many offences by Prawo Jazdy which is the Polish for 'Driving Licence.' Whenever a Polish immigrant was stopped and showed his licence the Irish police tended to assume that these words were his name. Read this great story here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7899171.stm?lss

Hope you liked it and thanks to all who took part.

Paul
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Nice one Paul

I can't believe i hadn't heard this story. Told a few mates earlier and they had all heard it.

Not a great reflection on our boys in blue.
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I just found that article yesterday on Yahoo News and used it in a class, to good effect.
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I found the article (quite by accident) while I was thinking of questions for this puzzle, soon after Paul posted it. Figured I'd read rotten first and it happened to be one of the stories for that day.

But isn't that an awesome way to get out of your tickets - and an honest one too
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Yes, I'm here to deliver a subpoena for a Mr. Driver License. You are hereby commanded to appear commanded to appear before Judge Degree of Doctor of Juridical Science at the Historic Building Permit Justice Center.
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It's next to next to the Department of Redundancies Department.

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