| Author | Message | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2009 |
It worked before they found out it was impossible | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2009 |
Btw, before it comes up, what does someone mean when they post: He=H?A?M? I assume H is for human and a is for animal, but what is m? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2312 Registered: 8-2006 |
HAM stands for Human, Adult, Male. Is it a task? Are the two its the same? Was it only impossible because they realized that it was impossible? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2009 |
HAM stands for Human, Adult, Male. Thanks! Is it a task? Yes Are the two its the same? Yes Was it only impossible because they realized that it was impossible? Yes-ish | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2120 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello and welcome to the Lateral Thinking Puzzles Forum! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find useful: * Getting Started * User Guide * My Wikipedia User Subpage about the LTPF I hope you enjoy posting here and being a Lateral Puzzler! Please put your user name in the titles of your puzzles. If you need help, feel free to ask questions in the Chatroom. Again, welcome! | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1695 Registered: 6-2001 |
Surely it's a cartoon animal running of the edge of a cliff... no? Something 'similar' in some sense? Did they lose confidence in their ability to do 'it' when they learnt it was impossible? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 675 Registered: 12-2007 |
Insects relevant? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2009 |
Surely it's a cartoon animal running of the edge of a cliff... no? No. That's a amusing guess. But not what I had in mind. Something 'similar' in some sense? No. Did they lose confidence in their ability to do 'it' when they learnt it was impossible? No. Confidence isn't a factor. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 25 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did it stop working once they found out it was impossible? Is some kind of new technology relevant (new to them, not necessarily new to us)? "impossible" = against the laws of nature (like the cartoon animal Bentarm asked about)? very difficult to do ("That homework last night was impossible!")? Was it impossible for them but possible for others to do? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did it stop working once they found out it was impossible? No. Is some kind of new technology relevant (new to them, not necessarily new to us)? No. "impossible" = against the laws of nature (like the cartoon animal Bentarm asked about)? No. very difficult to do ("That homework last night was impossible!")? Yes. Was it impossible for them but possible for others to do? No. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 352 Registered: 11-2008 |
I've heard several stories about mathematics students solving difficult unsolved problems written on the board because they missed the class and thought these problems were homework. Is this relevant? Is mathematics relevant to the thing that "they found out was impossible?" | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 323 Registered: 12-2008 |
Was it impossible after they found it was impossible? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2009 |
I've heard several stories about mathematics students solving difficult unsolved problems written on the board because they missed the class and thought these problems were homework. Is this relevant? Is mathematics relevant to the thing that "they found out was impossible?" No, to both Was it impossible after they found it was impossible? Yes. | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 676 Registered: 12-2007 |
Pssst! You missed my question above! | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2009 |
Pssst! You missed my question above! sorry Insects relevant? no. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 643 Registered: 5-2008 |
Did it actually work at some point? Or was it believed to work? Did it work for a different reason than the one intended/believed to be the case? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did it actually work at some point? No. Or was it believed to work? Yes-ish Did it work for a different reason than the one intended/believed to be the case? See previous answers, it never actually worked. It might be helpful to find out what "it" is and/or relates to | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 2146 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is "it" the Spanish Inquisition? I'm sure that nobody would expect that. | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is "it" the Spanish Inquisition? No | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 980 Registered: 4-2007 |
was "it" tangible? was "it" an idea? an experiment? were "they" scientists? researchers? were "they" serious in what they were trying to do? or doing something for fun? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2009 |
was "it" tangible? was "it" an idea? an experiment? "It" was an specific event that never actually worked were "they" scientists? researchers? Yes, to both were "they" serious in what they were trying to do? Yes. THis one. or doing something for fun? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 981 Registered: 4-2007 |
did the event involve specific tangible items? if so, is it important what these items are? are they solids? liquids? gases? something you would drive? fly? something you would write with? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 139 Registered: 10-2008 |
Could this be about taste buds (every experiment to find different 'taste sections' on the tongue worked, until scientists realized that there's no such thing as different sections for different tastes)? Or some similar situation, where researchers were getting an incorrect test result because it was what was expected? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2009 |
did the event involves specific tangible items? Yes. It involve a very specfic object if so, is it important what these items are? yes are they solids? this one liquids? gases? something you would drive? yes in a certain sense fly? something you would write with? no to both of these Could this be about taste buds (every experiment to find different 'taste sections' on the tongue worked, until scientists realized that there's no such thing as different sections for different tastes)? Or some similar situation, where researchers were getting an incorrect test result because it was what was expected? sorry but no to these as well | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 982 Registered: 4-2007 |
so something you would drive in a certain sense... car? golf clubs? golf ball? some other type of vehicle? bus? moped? bicycle? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2009 |
so something you would drive in a certain sense... yes car? golf clubs? golf ball? some other type of vehicle? Yes. but not one that is not mentioned here. bus? moped? bicycle? | ||
| Jimmy (Jimmy)
New member Username: Jimmy Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is it an irrational event? e.g. Trying to fly without aid. Are the scientists laboratory scientists or in-field scientists? (Or irrelevant) Is it something to do with a solid in the imagination? i.e. It worked in their imagination but it was impossible in the real world. | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is it an irrational event? It was rational at first, but became irrational as something came into light. Sorry, that sort of sound like the original puzzle e.g. Trying to fly without aid. Are the scientists laboratory scientists or in-field scientists? in-field scientists(Or irrelevant) Is it something to do with a solid in the imagination? i.e. It worked in their imagination but it was impossible in the real world. Yes. And see what I said earlier | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 68 Registered: 2-2009 |
Does the title have any specific significance/relevance to the event in the puzzle? Are the scientists in the field of biology? physics? chemistry? Are they actually engineers? Is who they work for relevant? Anything to do with metros/subways? trains? boats? aircraft? If none of these, does the relevant vehicle generally have an internal combustion engine? Relevant when this happened? If so, [insert LTPF list of centuries]? Relevant where this happened? If so, [insert LTPF list of continents]? Did it happen in the United States? England? Japan? Germany? Italy? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2009 |
Does the title have any specific significance/relevance to the event in the puzzle? NO, it really is my first puzzle and I thought it would be easy Are the scientists in the field of biology? physics? chemistry? Are they actually engineers? This one. Is who they work for relevant? no Anything to do with metros/subways? trains? boats? this one. aircraft? If none of these, does the relevant vehicle generally have an internal combustion engine? Relevant when this happened? If so, [insert LTPF list of centuries]? Possible in 1978, impossible by 1985-86. Relevant where this happened? If so, [insert LTPF list of continents]? Did it happen in the United States? England? Japan? Germany? Italy? NOne of these. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 983 Registered: 4-2007 |
important which type of boat? sail? speedboat? powerboat? fishing? motorized? or non-motorized? important which part of the boat is involved? propeller? engine? rudder? sail? hull? keel? oar? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2009 |
important which type of boat? sail? speedboat? powerboat? fishing? motorized? this one. or non-motorized? important which part of the boat is involved? the whole boat is involved propeller? engine? rudder? sail? hull? keel? oar? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2009 |
oh, and i forgot. important which type of boat? Very important. In fact it is a very specific boat | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 984 Registered: 4-2007 |
are they testing: speed of the boat? how the boat stops? how much the boat can pull? how many people the boat can pull? what the boat can run on? gasoline? water? or something else? how well the boat turns? if the boat can become airborne? how much weight the boat can hold? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2009 |
speed of the boat? how the boat stops? how much the boat can pull? how many people the boat can pull? what the boat can run on? gasoline? water? or something else? how well the boat turns? if the boat can become airborne? how much weight the boat can hold? None, of these | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 425 Registered: 12-2008 |
sonar relevant? - to help prevent marine life from crashing into boats or being chased away from their feeding areas by the sound of the engines? noise of engines relevant? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2009 |
sonar relevant? yes-ish - to help prevent marine life from crashing into boats or being chased away from their feeding areas by the sound of the engines? but not this noise of engines relevant? no. | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 58 Registered: 2-2009 |
Here is a recap: It is a event that has something to do with a boat. Something was thought possible, until new information was uncovered. Hint: the possible, was a reasonable hypothetical event using current knowledge | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2009 |
I think you have answered above, but please confirm my understanding -- the "it" that previously worked was a technique or method for achieving a desired result. It was based on an assumption or theory that was subsequently found to be false, such that the desired results were never actually caused by the original method -- am I correct? Now that we have a better understanding of the underlying phenomina, if we were to use the now debunked method, would we achieve similar results as in the past? (but now understand them to be unrelated to the erroneous method?) You mentioned that it would help to know what kind of boat -- is it military, fishing, whaling, tugboat, submarine, recreational, cruiseboat, barge, tanker? Is the activity we are discussing relate to maneuvers and motion -- rendezvous, interception, evasion, docking, speed, power required, anchorage, fuel? Does it relate to information and intelligence-- targetting, safety, discovery, hunting, weather, navigation, emergencies, rescue, communication? Does it relate to life and death of humans, animals, or plant life? Does it relate to activities of a single boat, or of multiple vessels? How about other floating objects like icebergs, whales, men overboard? Underwater objects like mines, coral reefs, shoals, shallows? Assuming it involves activity of some kind, does the activity involve objects that protrude, extend, or separate from the boat? Anchors, projectiles, fishing lines and nets? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 476 Registered: 12-2008 |
making the motors quieter? Having a quiet motor while increasing the speed the boat can travel? Using the motors, or sonar, to alert others of your presence? Does the location of the engine matter? Is the sound involved audible to human ears? at all times when boat is in operation? Are the boats louder, or quieter,when traveling, than they are when stationary with the engine running? Are noise complaints relevant? Noise injuries? If so to whom? marine life? Boaters? swimmers? beach goers? People who live near the ocean? others? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2009 |
I think you have answered above, but please confirm my understanding -- the "it" that previously worked was a technique or method for achieving a desired result. It was based on an assumption or theory that was subsequently found to be false, such that the desired results were never actually caused by the original method -- am I correct? Yes. Now that we have a better understanding of the underlying phenomina, if we were to use the now debunked method, would we achieve similar results as in the past? No.(but now understand them to be unrelated to the erroneous method?) You mentioned that it would help to know what kind of boat -- is it military, fishing, whaling, tugboat, submarine, recreational, cruiseboat,this one is the closest barge, tanker? Is the activity we are discussing relate to maneuvers and motion -- rendezvous, interception, evasion, docking, speed, power required, anchorage, fuel? no Does it relate to information and intelligence-- targetting, safety, discovery, hunting, weather, navigation, emergencies, rescue, communication?no Does it relate to life and death of humans, indirectly, yes, but not really relevant to it animals, or plant life? Does it relate to activities of a single boat this one, or of multiple vessels? How about other floating objects like icebergs and this one, whales, men overboard? Underwater objects like mines, coral reefs, shoals, shallows? no no no Assuming it involves activity of some kind, does the activity involve objects that protrude, extend, or separate from the boat? Anchors, projectiles, fishing lines and nets? no to all of these, it just deals with the whole boat making the motors quieter? no Having a quiet motor while increasing the speed the boat can travel?no Using the motors, or sonar, to alert others of your presence? no Does the location of the engine matter? Is the sound involved audible to human ears? at all times when boat is in operation? no Are the boats louder, or quieter,when traveling, than they are when stationary with the engine running? no Are noise complaints relevant? no Noise injuries? no If so to whom? marine life? Boaters? swimmers? beach goers? People who live near the ocean? others? no I'm sorry if i misled anyone earlier but sonar has nothing to with "it". Sonar deals with the discovery of why "it" is impossible | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is the boat the Titanic? Regarding icebergs, is the technique in question related to: Avoidance? Detection? Melting? Towing? Their shape? Their frequency? Collision? Break up? The boat is closest to a cruiseship. Is it a: Pleasure boat Scientific trawler You mention that the boat is a specific boat -- does this mean there is only one of these boats? Will determining its name help us solve the puzzle? In addition to the boat and icebergs, are there other objects that will be helpful to discover? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2009 |
Is the boat the Titanic? yes Regarding icebergs, is the technique in question related to: Avoidance? Detection? Melting? Towing? Their shape? Their frequency? Collision? Break up? NO, the technique isn't related to these, but where there's the Titanic, there's always a iceberg The boat is closest to a cruiseship. Is it a: Pleasure boat Scientific trawler See prev. answer, (It was the Titanic ) You mention that the boat is a specific boat -- does this mean there is only one of these boats? Will determining its name help us solve the puzzle? only one boat, and you figured what it is, that that was very important. In addition to the boat and icebergs, are there other objects that will be helpful to discover? No, besides what "it" is. | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2009 |
Does this relate to salvaging / exploring / raising the Titanic? | ||
| Hietek (Hietek)
New member Username: Hietek Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2009 |
detecting an ice berg using sonar? Using the sonar to determine how large the ice berg is? Ie is it something that needs to be steered around, small floating chunks of ice, or how wide across it is? Or if it is a stationary ice berg versus a floating chunk of ice? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 852 Registered: 5-2003 |
The Titanic was unsinkable before it sank? Is the sinking relevant? The rediscovery by Robert Ballard? Something else? Lifeboats relevant? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2009 |
The Titanic was unsinkable before it sank? Is the sinking relevant? this one, sort of.The rediscovery by Robert Ballard? this one. Something else? Lifeboats relevant? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 495 Registered: 12-2008 |
That the titanic hit sideways, instead of head one, enabling it to be flooded in such a way that no one had considered possible? That the ice berg wasn't responsible for the ships damage itself, but rather it put such a strain on the Titanic that a large gaping hole was able to "break" open? | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2009 |
Does this relate to salvaging / exploring / raising the Titanic, instead of the original sinking? If so, does the impossible technique have to do with: Finding the wreck? Implosion due to pressure? Other pressure related issues? The depth of the water? Retrieving artifacts? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 64 Registered: 2-2009 |
That the titanic hit sideways, instead of head one, enabling it to be flooded in such a way that no one had considered possible? no of these That the ice berg wasn't responsible for the ships damage itself, but rather it put such a strain on the Titanic that a large gaping hole was able to "break" open? no of these Does this relate to salvaging / exploring for why it was impossible. / raising the Titanic yes, you are almost there, instead of the original sinking? If so, does the impossible technique have to do with: Finding the wreck? Implosion due to pressure? Other pressure related issues? The depth of the water? Retrieving artifacts? none of these | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 858 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything to do with the Clive Cussler novel, Raise the Titanic? The movie based on the book? A fictional/science-fictional technique for raising the Titanic which, after more real-life research had been done, turned out to be impossible? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 514 Registered: 12-2008 |
Bringing up one ship, because sonar showed the titanic was in more than one piece? | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 65 Registered: 2-2009 |
Anything to do with the Clive Cussler novel, Raise the Titanic? yes, good enough, spoiler will follow shortly The movie based on the book? A fictional/science-fictional technique for raising the Titanic which, after more real-life research had been done, turned out to be impossible? Bringing up one ship, because sonar showed the titanic was in more than one piece? yes. ************* SPOILER ************** Before the Titanic was found it was thought that the Titanic went down as one piece. Using this information, the author Clive Cussler, in his book "Raise the Titanic", raised the Titanic from the ocean floor by filling the boat with air, which was perfectly reasonable using the information at the time. When it was found, it was discovered that the boat when down in two pieces, making the process that Clive Cussler used moot. | ||
| Tingtangclan (Tingtangclan)
New member Username: Tingtangclan Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2009 |
And down forget to check out my new puzzle. It's a two in one. |
