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Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The milker hurt him. The milker saved him. the wrong help arrived.


note: this was presented as a true story but since I can't independently verify that I'm going to say that it's fiction for the sake of this puzzle
Kalira (Kalira)
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

him(1) = him(2)?
him(1) = H? A? M?
him(2) = H? A? M?
milker(1) = milker(2)?
milker(1) = a dairy cow? a machine used to milk a cow? a person who milks cows?
milker(2) = a dairy cow? a machine used to milk a cow? a person who milks cows?

Did the events in these three sentences happen within seconds of each other? minutes? hours? days? months? years?

Is where this happened relevant?
Is when this happened relevant?

Clarification is fun! :-)
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

him(1) = him(2)? yes

him = H? A? M? yes

milker(1) = milker(2)? no

milker(1) = a dairy cow? this onea machine used to milk a cow? a person who milks cows?

Did the events in these three sentences happen within seconds of each other?no
minutes?possibly
hours?yes days? yes months?no years? no

Is where this happened relevant? yes in that it couldn't have happened in an office building or in a swimming pool type of sense

Is when this happened relevant? no
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

milker(2) = a dairy cow? no a machine used to milk a cow? no a person who milks cows no
Eliott85 (Eliott85)
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Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant how the cow hurt him? If so, did it kick him?

Was the second milker a milkman? Someone who mooches off someone else? (She was just trying to milk him for everything he had)
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Is it relevant how the cow hurt him? yes If so, did it kick him? yes

Was the second milker a milkman?no Someone who mooches off someone else?no
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Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

milker(2) = a living entity? a piece of equipment?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

milker(2) = a living entity? this one a piece of equipment?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 5:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Error: I thought the question asked

"Is it relevent how much the cow hurt him." yes

How the cow hurt him is relevant. How much he was hurt is relevant
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is milker2 a human? an animal? A kitten? Calf? Snake?

Did the wrong help arrive because of milker2? Was this help still able to help him? Was "the help" a person? Multiple people? An emergency vehicle?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 1:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is milker2 a human? an animal? this one. no to rest A kitten? Calf? Snake?

Did the wrong help arrive because of milker2? no Was this help still able to help him?it helped, but he still needed the right help to come or be brought to him Was "the help" a person? no Multiple people? no An emergency vehicle? no
Kalira (Kalira)
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 4:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The only other milker I can think of is a person who "milks the pot" in a poker game when they know they have a good hand... Is this milker(2)? or is milker(2) a baby?

The milker (cow) that hurt him -- did the cow itself hurt him? Or rather some part or product produced from/by said cow? Milk? Was he lactose intolerant?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 5:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The only other milker I can think of is a person who "milks the pot" in a poker game when they know they have a good hand... Is this milker(2)? or is milker(2) a baby? no to both

The milker (cow) that hurt him -- did the cow itself hurt him? yes Or rather some part or product produced from/by said cow? Milk? Was he lactose intolerant? The cow kicked him... and he was hurt so badly that he needed help. He was helped by milker (2), but the wrong help also came to him
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was milker 2 the only help he needed? Did milker 2 play its role before the wrong help arrived? After? Did milker 2 help by affecting the wound directly? By keeping him alive until help could arrive? By making a noise?
Is milker 2 another cow? If not, a mammal? Bird? Fish? Reptile? Amphibian? Insect?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was milker 2 the only help he needed? no, it was also not the right help, it just wasn Did milker 2 play its role before the wrong help arrived? yes After? yes By keeping him alive until help could arrive? yes By making a noise? no

Is milker 2 another cow? If not, a mammal? its a type of mammal Bird? Fish? Reptile? Amphibian? Insect?
Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm, interesting.
Did he eat milker 2? Did it provide him with food in some other way? Did it provide him with milk?
Did it keep him warm? Give him shelter? Mentally reassure him? Did it affect the wound directly? Did it interact with the help in any way?

Was the wrong help an animal? A machine? The weather?
Kalira (Kalira)
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was milker 2 the only help he needed? no, it was also not the right help, it just wasn
This answer seems to have gotten cut off... anything more of any relevance to it?

Is milker(2) a rodent? bat? dog (the kind that people generally keep as pets or as help on a farm, etc.)? other canine? domestic cat? other feline? bear? pig? sheep? goat? primate?

Did milker(2) keep him alive for days after the cow kicked him? Did this happen in a barn? Was he alone on a farm (aside from any relevant and non-relevant animals)? alone in some area of a farm (while there were humans elsewhere, but not near him)?

Was it the wrong help because it could not help him recover from his injury? Because it did not? Did the wrong help come in the form of humans? Would the right help have been paramedics or doctors of some sort?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he eat milker 2? no

Did it provide him with food in some other way? yes

Did it provide him with milk? yes

Did it keep him warm? yes

Give him shelter? no

Mentally reassure him? no

Did it affect the wound directly? no

Did it interact with the help in any way? Irrelevant

Was the wrong help an animal? yope

A machine? no The weather?no
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was milker 2 the only help he needed? no, it was also not the right help, it was just more helpful than the wrong help I mentioned


Is milker(2) a rodent? bat? dog?
(the kind that people generally keep as pets or as help on a farm, etc.)? other canine? domestic cat? other feline? bear? pig? sheep? goat? this one primate?

Did milker(2) keep him alive for days after the cow kicked him? yes Did this happen in a barn? no Was he alone on a farm (aside from any relevant and non-relevant animals)? yes alone in some area of a farm (while there were humans elsewhere, but not near him)? No

Was it the wrong help because it could not help him recover from his injury? no Because it did not?no Did the wrong help come in the form of humans?no Would the right help have been paramedics or doctors of some sort? yope
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 9:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "the wrong help" the cow? Another animal on the farm?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 9:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "the wrong help" the cow? no Another animal on the farm? It was brought by another animal on the farm.
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was "the wrong help" brought by a dog? Or a cat? Perhaps a toy to get him to play with them? Is it the fact that the cow injured him by kicking him that makes this "the wrong help?"
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 2:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see if I get it so far. A man gets kicked by a cow, and is unable to walk? He is kept alive by a goat, who provides milk and keeps him warm while he can't move?

Then the wrong help arrives. Is the wrong help brought by a goat? Cow? Sheep? Horse? Chicken? Duck? Mouse?
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was "the wrong help" brought by a dog? this one, lets see if we can find out what the wrong help is Or a cat? Perhaps a toy to get him to play with them? no Is it the fact that the cow injured him by kicking him that makes this "the wrong help?" no

Let's see if I get it so far. A man gets kicked by a cow, and is unable to walk? He is kept alive by a goat, who provides milk and keeps him warm while he can't move? yes
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man ask the dog to bring help?

Did the dog bring the help the man asked?

Did the dog bring toys? or food? or something else?
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 2:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***Spoiler***

Close enough. At first I really liked the idea for this puzzle, but once it got going I wasn't happy with it - perhaps some poor wording on my part was to blame. What happened was the farmer was kicked by his cow and broke his hip. He couldn't move but his goat and his dog kept him warm. He was able to get milk from the goat, and the dog also brought him some left over bits of bones - which could be food, depending on your point of view. Unfortunatley, the farmer would have probably preferred a phone, or even some neighbors, so the bones were the wrong help.

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