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In two similar cases in history something had to be slowed down to please his creator.
What happened (let's call the cases A and B)?
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"its creator" I should say
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Is/was he H/A/M? In both cases?

True incidents?

Incidents related?

Please answer separately for both A and B if answers are different.

Was the item being slowed down alive? A machine? Manufactured? Did it have a specific purpose? Would the creator make a profit? If the item was slowed down?
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Is/was he H/A/M? In both cases? yes to all

True incidents? yes for both

Incidents related? no, but define related

Please answer separately for both A and B if answers are different.

Was the item being slowed down alive? no for both
A machine? no for both
Manufactured? no for both
Did it have a specific purpose? yes for both
Would the creator make a profit? If the item was slowed down? no for A, yesish for B
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Was the item being slowed down:
- A chemical process?
- A sequence of events?
- A superstition?

Century in which this happened relevant? If yes, what century did this happen in? 19th? 20th? 21st?

Just to clarify: The creator remains same in both the cases, and he was alive in both the cases?

What was the gap between these two events? 1 to 5 years? less than a decade? more than a decade?
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Was the item being slowed down:
- A chemical process? no for both cases
- A sequence of events? noish for both cases
- A superstition? no for both cases

Century in which this happened relevant? If yes, what century did this happen in? 19th? 20th? 21st? yes, 19th for A, 20th for B

Just to clarify: The creator remains same in both the cases, and he was alive in both the cases? two different creators, both were alive

What was the gap between these two events? 1 to 5 years? less than a decade? more than a decade? roughly a century
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Can this happen in the 21st century?
Is this related to election process?
Are the two creators related to each other?
Who slowed down the item? The creators or other people?
How was the item slowed down - By using inferior machinery/material in executing it? By increasing the downtime between intermediate steps? By slowing down each and every step in the process?
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Can this happen in the 21st century? yes but irr
Is this related to election process? no
Are the two creators related to each other? yes in some way
Who slowed down the item? (here is a small fa)The creators or other people? other people
How was the item slowed down (the same fa)- By using inferior machinery/material in executing it? no By increasing the downtime between intermediate steps? no By slowing down each and every step in the process? this one is closest but not the best description
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Vehicle design/technology relevant?
Is it relevant in what way are the two creators related? If yes, then what is the relation? Same family tree? Practitioners of the same branch of science? Teacher-Student?
the thing was physically moving and had to be slowed down?
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Vehicle design/technology relevant? no
Is it relevant in what way are the two creators related? yes If yes, then what is the relation? Same family tree? no Practitioners of the same branch yes of science? no Teacher-Student? no
the thing was physically moving and had to be slowed down? no
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Has it got something to do with the measurement of time?
Was it a clock? A calender? A mathematical model?
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Has it got something to do with the measurement of time? noish
Was it a clock? A calender? A mathematical model? no to all, sorry
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Was "it" an item? a process?
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Was "it" an item? a process? Neither, only for svv of item you could call it item or process.
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Was "it" something that one can touch? See? Hear?
Can "it" be said to have a measurable physical size? Weight? Duration?
Was "it" an event of some sort?
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Was "it" something that one can touch? no See? no Hear? yes, in both cases
Can "it" be said to have a measurable physical size? noish Weight? no Duration? yes, in both cases
Was "it" an event of some sort? yesish for A, no for B
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So, is it just a sound?
What one hears, does it amount to spoken words?
Music?
Some type of sound that I am likely to have heard?
Duration - more than a second? Minute? Hour? Day?
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So, is it just a sound? see below
What one hears, does it amount to spoken words? see below
Music? yes for both
Some type of sound that I am likely to have heard? possibly for A, likely for B
Duration - more than a second? Minute? this for both Hour? Day?
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Is the 19th century one (let's call that A, and the other B) related to Edison and the gramophone? The other related to CDs or some other more modern recording/listening device that can be sped up or slowed?
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Were the creators composers? Symphonies relevant?
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Were the creators pleases because the slowdown helped them - monetarily? got publicity/fame? peace of mind?
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Jenburdoo:
Is the 19th century one (let's call that A, and the other B) related to Edison and the gramophone? no
The other related to CDs or some other more modern recording/listening device that can be sped up or slowed? no, less modern than CDs but on the right track

Noobdogg:

Were the creators composers? yes Symphonies relevant? no

Finno:

Were the creators pleases because the slowdown helped them - monetarily? noish got publicity/fame? noish peace of mind? exacly this for A, mostly this for B
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Is one of the composers Scott Joplin?
Is the opera Treemonisha relevant?
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Is one of the composers Scott Joplin? no
Is the opera Treemonisha relevant? no
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Is one of the composers famous? Both?
Composer A - orchestra music? Smaller-ensemble music?
Composer B's work, is it from before 1950? '60? '70? '80? '90?
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Is one of the composers famous? Both? both are famous, the one in B is only a composer for svv of composer
Composer A - orchestra music? Smaller-ensemble music? Composer A is known for works including an orchestra and the puzzle refers to one of these.
Composer B's work, is it from before 1950? '60? '70? this -> the sixties '80? '90?
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Was composer A slowing down--the tempo on the sheet music? The tempo that his/her piece was played in one particular performance? The speed that the piece is played back in some kind of recording?

Was composer B slowing down--the tempo on the sheet music? The tempo that his/her piece was played in one particular performance? The speed that the piece is played back in some kind of recording?

Was the motive for slowing down the music to get it to fit into a certain amount of time? To fulfill the wants/needs of an audience? To allow a recording to take place?
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Was composer A slowing down--the tempo on the sheet music? no
The tempo that his/her piece was played in one particular performance? yes
The speed that the piece is played back in some kind of recording? noish

Was composer B slowing down--the tempo on the sheet music? no
The tempo that his/her piece was played in one particular performance? no
The speed that the piece is played back in some kind of recording? yes

Was the motive for slowing down the music to get it to fit into a certain amount of time? no
To fulfill the wants/needs of an audience? yes for A, yesish for B
To allow a recording to take place? no for A, yes for B
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Is it important to establish the identities of the composers?
Is A Gustav Mahler?
The audience of A's work, a normal audience consisting of a few tens or hundreds of people?
Was the audience physically present at the performance? In full? In part?
Did the people making up the audience have any common trait apart from being the audience, and the taste for A's music?
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Was A's piece being performed at a ceremony of any kind? In a concert hall? In a private home?
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Abc:
Is it important to establish the identities of the composers? yes
Is A Gustav Mahler? no
The audience of A's work, a normal audience consisting of a few tens or hundreds of people? say 5 - 20 rather normal people
Was the audience physically present at the performance? yes In full? yes In part? no
Did the people making up the audience have any common trait apart from being the audience, and the taste for A's music? no, the audience as such is not relevant

Gourami:

Was A's piece being performed at a ceremony of any kind? no In a concert hall? no In a private home? no, but explore, this is relevant
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Did the composer A play his own music at this occasion? Relevant?
Did the composer B play his own music at this occasion? Relevant?

B is only yesishly a composer. In the same sense that for example The Beatles were only yesishly composers?

B's work - category = Orchestral? Jazz? Rock? other type of "guitars, drums and vocals" music?
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Did the composer A play his own music at this occasion? no Relevant? yes
Did the composer B play his own music at this occasion? yes Relevant? yes

B is only yesishly a composer. In the same sense that for example The Beatles were only yesishly composers? yes and this is a very good examle..

B's work - category = Orchestral? Jazz? Rock? other type of "guitars, drums and vocals" music? Rock, but more than "guitars, drums and vocals", a bit Orchestral
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So, B is some member of The Beatles?
Might A be one of...
Ludwig van Beethoven?
Hector Berlioz?
Johannes Brahms?
Franz Liszt?
Robert Schumann?
Richard Wagner?
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Composer A: is he HAM? Is he from the [insert LTPF list of centuries]? Is he American? From the U.S.? European? Austrian? Italian? German? French? Spanish? Hungarian? Other?

Composer B: is it indeed the Beatles? If so, were they playing an orchestral arrangement of one of their songs? Or was the song originally arranged for an orchestra? Is it "Good Night", maybe?
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Forget the question about centuries, I have just noticed that you had already answered that he is from the 19th century.
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Composer A: is he HAM? yes Is he from the [insert LTPF list of centuries]? Is he American? From the U.S.? European? Austrian? Italian? German? this French? Spanish? Hungarian? Other?

Composer B: is it indeed the Beatles? yes (one of them)
If so, were they playing an orchestral arrangement of one of their songs? yes Or was the song originally arranged for an orchestra? A song written by someone else? No
Is it "Good Night", maybe? no
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ABC:
So, B is some member of The Beatles? yes
Might A be one of...
Ludwig van Beethoven?
Hector Berlioz?
Johannes Brahms?
Franz Liszt?
Robert Schumann?
Richard Wagner? yes
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John Lennon? Paul McCartney? George Harrison? Ringo Starr? Did the performance involve a song written by the Beatles? By the relevant Beatle? By someone else?
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John Lennon? yes Paul McCartney? George Harrison? Ringo Starr? Did the performance involve a song written by the Beatles? By the relevant Beatle? By someone else? The song was written mostly by John.
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But it was originally performed by the Beatles, right? Should we identify the exact song? Is it among the most famous ones? Is the slowing down connected to the fact that the song was arranged for an orchestra? Had it been a "standard" performance, would the song have been slowed down?
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But it was originally performed by the Beatles, right? by the Beatles and other musicians
Should we identify the exact song? Not necessarily
Is it among the most famous ones? It is a rather famous song from middle of their career
Is the slowing down connected to the fact that the song was arranged for an orchestra? yesish, but here is a bit if a fa
Had it been a "standard" performance, would the song have been slowed down? no (but who knows?)
You should call it rather recording than performance.
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Is it important to find out what Wagner work we're talking about?
Was the specific performance of the work also made in the 19th century?
If the work hadn't been slowed down...
Would it have annoyed the audience?
Would it have resulted in difficulties for the musicians?
Is there anything special about the musicians, by the way?
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Is it important to find out what Wagner work we're talking about? no
Was the specific performance of the work also made in the 19th century? yes and relevant
If the work hadn't been slowed down...
Would it have annoyed the audience? yes
Would it have resulted in difficulties for the musicians? no
Is there anything special about the musicians, by the way? yes, there has to be found out more for A
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Regarding A...
If I had been there and seen the everything, would I have understood why the work would have to be slowed down?
Is there something special about the musicians concerning their...
Age?
Nationality?
Sex?
Skin colour?
Experience as musicians?
Language?
Culture?
Religion?
Political views?
If the audience had been replaced by other, random persons, would the work still have had to be slowed?
And if the musicians were replaced with other random (but equally able) musicians?
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Regarding A...
If I had been there and seen the everything, would I have understood why the work would have to be slowed down? Probably, but only if you know the piece which was played. I think I don't give away too much if I say it was the bridal chorus from Lohengrin.
Is there something special about the musicians concerning their... here is sort of a fa
Age?
Nationality?
Sex?
Skin colour?
Experience as musicians?
Language?
Culture?
Religion?
Political views?
Nothing of these (except for the experience), perhaps I misinterpretated your previous question. The something special is rather linked to the instrument.
If the audience had been replaced by other, random persons, would the work still have had to be slowed? Supposedly not. There is something about the audience still to be found out.
And if the musicians were replaced with other random (but equally able) musicians? yes, but same fa as above
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Is there only one musician?
Is there only one instrument being played?
Is there something special about the audience concerning their...
Age?
Nationality?
Sex?
Skin colour?
Experience as musicians?
Language?
Culture?
Religion?
Political views?
Mental abilities?
Occupation?
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I assume you are still talking about case A:
Is there only one musician? yes
Is there only one instrument being played? yes
Is there something special about the audience concerning their...
Age?
Nationality?
Sex?
Skin colour?
Experience as musicians? yes
Language?
Culture?
Religion?
Political views?
Mental abilities?
Occupation? yes. No or irr to the rest.
In fact there is nothing special about the audience to be found out. Only some of the facts already found out have to be put together.
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Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Still about case A: maybe Wagner himself was part of the audience? Or some other famous composer or musician? The author of the libretto?

Relevant that the bridal chorus of Lohengrin is commonly used as a wedding march? Did this take place at a wedding, indeed? The bride could not walk fast enough to the altar and the march had to be slowed down (or something along these lines)?
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Still about case A: maybe Wagner himself was part of the audience? yes (and this is all to be found out about the audience)
Or some other famous composer or musician? no The author of the libretto? no

Relevant that the bridal chorus of Lohengrin is commonly used as a wedding march? no Did this take place at a wedding, indeed? no The bride could not walk fast enough to the altar and the march had to be slowed down (or something along these lines)? nice idea but no
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Is the performance given for some reason other than letting the audience enjoy the music?
Is the performer at an audition?
Is the performer and/or the audience wanting to study some details of the music?
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Is the performance given for some reason other than letting the audience enjoy the music? yesish
Is the performer at an audition? no
Is the performer and/or the audience wanting to study some details of the music? no

The most important part left to find out for A is the instrument of the performer.
Concerning B, why was the speed of the recording artificially decreased?
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This performer of the march from Lohengrin: was he a street musician of some kind?
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This performer of the march from Lohengrin: was he a street musician of some kind? exactly, I guess you know the story...
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I am not sure whether I know the story or not, but I have a dim recollection that one day Wagner heard some performer on the hurdy-gurdy or the street organ cranking out the bridal march from Lohengrin, and told him to turn the handle more slowly. If it is anything like this, then I guess this is what it is like.

If memory serves further, the enterprising busker is said later to have displayed a notice on his pitch saying "Pupil of Richard Wagner". But this may be apocryphal or - more likely - my memory wholly unreliable.
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I am not sure whether I know the story or not, but I have a dim recollection that one day Wagner heard some performer on the hurdy-gurdy cranking out the bridal march from Lohengrin, and told him to turn the handle more slowly. If it is anything like this, then I guess this is what it is like. This is it for part A of the puzzle. Does anyone want to finish part B?
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So, did John Lennon tell someone to slow down his performance of a song?
If so, a conductor?
A single performer?
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So, did John Lennon tell someone to slow down his performance of a song? yope
If so, a conductor? no
A single performer? no
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Did Lennon hear a recording of someone else playing a piece of his? If so, a cover? An orchestration?
Or was someone else playing a recording of him performing a piece? If so, did he hear it?
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Did Lennon hear a recording of someone else playing a piece of his? yesish If so, a cover? no An orchestration? yes
Or was someone else playing a recording of him performing a piece? also yes If so, did he hear it? yes
In fact there were two recordings, one involving "orchestra instruments". This one had to be slowed down to please John.
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Were the recordings being played simultaneously?
One right after another?
Slowing down a recording usually also means lowering its pitch. Is this relevant?
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Were the recordings being played simultaneously? no
One right after another? yes
Slowing down a recording usually also means lowering its pitch. Is this relevant? yes

SPOILER

This puzzle is based on two anecdotes featuring some parallels.

A - Richard Wagner and the barrel organ player

Richard Wagner was walking through the town. A barrel organ player recognized him and started to play a piece of his (the famous bridal chorus from Lohengrin) but he was playing it way to fast. Wagner, furious that his work was blemished in this way, approached and took the crank-handle playing the piece much slower. He gave the player a generous tip and the advice to play the piece always at this tempo. The next day there was a sign on the barrel organ reading "Pupil of Richard Wagner".


B - John Lennon and the recordings of Strawberry Fields Forever

During the recordings of Strawberry Fields Forever the Beatles tried out different arrangements, including a version with mellotron and another one with cellos and trumpets. John Lennon told George Martin the producer that he wanted to combine both versions, although Martin had to tell Lennon that the orchestral score was at a higher tempo and in a different key (B major) than the first version (A major). Lennon said, "You can fix it, George", giving Martin and Geoff Emerick the sound engineer the difficult task of joining the two takes together. With only a pair of editing scissors, two tape machines, and a vari-speed control, Emerick compensated for the differences in key and speed by increasing the speed of the first version and decreasing the speed of the second. (from Wikipedia)


Thanks to all for playing!

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