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Nimue (Nimue)
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The unorthodox form of therapy that was practiced on Rolanda's husband enabled her to get away with murdering him. How come?
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Was this a therapy for a disease? A disorder? A mental illness? Rehabilitation? An impediment of some kind, such as stuttering or the inability to think about anything other than GRILLED CHEESE! GRILLED CHEESE! GRILLED! CHEESE!
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Was this a therapy for a disease? see next answerA disorder? see next answer A mental illness? yesishRehabiblitation? possibly An impediment of some kind,This depends on how broadly you define 'impediment' such as stuttering no or the inability to think about anything other than GRILLED CHEESE! GRILLED CHEESE! GRILLED! CHEESE!no
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Dementia? Delirium? Post-concussion syndrome? Organic brain syndrome? Psychosis? A neurological disorder? Behavioral disorder/dysfunction? Personality disorder? Mood disorder?

The therapy...

Psychotherapy? Medication? Psychosurgery? Electroconvulsive therapy? Psychoeducation? Art therapy?
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Surrogate sex therapy relevant?
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Dementia? noDelirium? no Post-concussion syndrome? no Organic brain syndrome? no Psychosis? no A neurological disorder? no Behavioral disorder/dysfunction? possibly Personality disorder? ditto Mood disorder? possibly (most likely)

The therapy...

Psychotherapy? yes Medication? no Psychosurgery? no Electroconvulsive therapy? no Psychoeducation? noArt therapy? no
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Surrogate sex therapy relevant? no
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hypnotism relevant?
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hypnotism relevant? no
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Are DNRs relevant?

Is the method of murder relevant?

Is the name "Rolanda" relevant?
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Was the treatment for depression? An anxiety disorder?

Did Rolanda administer the therapy herself?
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Are DNRs relevant? no

Is the method of murder relevant? some methods are precluded

Is the name "Rolanda" relevant? no
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Was the treatment for depression? possibly An anxiety disorder? possibly but less likely

Did Rolanda administer the therapy herself? no
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Does the therapy involve hypnosis? Dream analysis? Free association? Physical/body oriented psychotherapy? Existential schools of thought? Intervention? Anything classified as a "test" (Rorschach, personality, etc.)?
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Does the therapy involve hypnosis? Dream analysis? Free association? Physical/body oriented psychotherapy? Existential schools of thought? Intervention? Anything classified as a "test" (Rorschach, personality, etc.)?No to all
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HINT: It's a VERY unorthodox method of therapy, not part of any standard approach that I've heard of.
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Decapitation?

Apparently, some psychologists consider death to be a "cure" for certain diseases...
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Is any kind of lobotomy relevant? Is trepanation?

Is it a form of therapy that involves some physical change being effected on the patient (e.g. surgery)? Or one that is more generally mental (e.g. talking to a therapist)?
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Is any kind of lobotomy relevant? no
Is trepanation? What's that??

Is it a form of therapy that involves some physical change being effected on the patient (e.g. surgery)? no Or one that is more generally mental (e.g. talking to a therapist)? yes
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so she got away with murdering him because of the therapy... is this because:
it gave her an alibi? it made it look as though it was impossible for her to be the murderer? no one would believe she would kill him? no one would believe she was able mentally to kill him? no one would believe she was able physically to kill him? it made someone else seem to be the murderer? it stopped her getting caught in some way? it stopped her being charged for murder? it stopped her being tried for murder? it stopped the jury finding her guilty? it stopped her being sentenced? it stopped her being punished?

was someone else believed to have committed the murder? was it thought to be suicide? was the death thought to be natural? was the death discovered?
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so she got away with murdering him because of the therapy... is this because:
it gave her an alibi? no it made it look as though it was impossible for her to be the murderer? see later answers no one would believe she would kill him? no no one would believe she was able mentally to kill him? no no one would believe she was able physically to kill him? no it made someone else seem to be the murderer? see later answersit stopped her getting caught in some way? see later answers it stopped her being charged for murder? ditto it stopped her being tried for murder? ditto it stopped the jury finding her guilty? n/ait stopped her being sentenced? n/a it stopped her being punished? n/a

was someone else believed to have committed the murder? see next answer was it thought to be suicide? yes was the death thought to be natural? nowas the death discovered? yes
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so basically do we need to find out how having this kind of therapy might make it seem likely that someone had killed themself?

was it a type of therapy which seemed to advocate suicide (far fetched I know)? or seemed to carry the risk of making someone depressed? ore more depressed? or feel hopeless?

or did the therapy somehow gives the means for suicide? or others might think that it did?

is the mode of the supposed suicide relevant?

is there a relevant 'suicide note'?
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so basically do we need to find out how having this kind of therapy might make it seem likely that someone had killed themself? yes

was it a type of therapy which seemed to advocate suicide (far fetched I know)? No. And by the way, it's not so far-fetched, at least in America, for the old & terminally ill, whom lots of medical cost-cutters would like to induce to "choose" to die "with dignity." as if it human dignity required youth & health or seemed to carry the risk of making someone depressed? no ore more depressed? noor feel hopeless? no

or did the therapy somehow gives the means for suicide? no or others might think that it did? no

is the mode of the supposed suicide relevant? Any mode is ok if it's compatible with the answer to your next question

is there a relevant 'suicide note'? yes
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did she write a note pretending he had written it?

did he write something which she then said was a suicide notes? had his therapy included writing something down? something which might read like a suicide note? and she had found this? and realised she could use this as an opportunity to get rid of him and make it look like suicide?

did he write an account of his mental troubles/ a list of reasons for his troubles?

did the therapy actually involve him being given the task of writing a 'pretend' suicide note? so that he could use this as a way of explaining his feelings to his loved ones? or as a way of getting him to see how sad it might make his loved ones if he took his own life?
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did she write a note pretending he had written it? no

did he write something which she then said was a suicide notes? yes had his therapy included writing something down? yessomething which might read like a suicide note? yesand she had found this? and realised she could use this as an opportunity to get rid of him and make it look like suicide? yes

did he write an account of his mental troubles/ a list of reasons for his troubles? probably

did the therapy actually involve him being given the task of writing a 'pretend' suicide note? YES!!!!so that he could use this as a way of explaining his feelings to his loved ones? possibly or as a way of getting him to see how sad it might make his loved ones if he took his own life? possibly

*****SPOILER ***********
Clever Hannah triumphs yet again!! When Rolanda's husband told his therapist that he was miserable & hopeless, the therapist had him write a fake suicide note as a way of "venting" his feelings. This did not help him, but it helped Rolanda, who found the note & killed him, using the note to pass his death off as a suicide. This is from a TV crime show. Sorry it was so easy, but I hope my next one won't be. Check it out you-know-where.
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Not that it has anything to do with the actual answer to the puzzle, but trepanation is the practice of drilling a hole in the patient's head. Used to be used to let out evil spirits and such, but can also be used to relieve intracranial pressure and treat brain injuries/disease. Not something I would ever want them to do to me in a million million years, but apparently people regularly survived it even in the pre-modern medicine days...

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