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Nimue (Nimue)
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If it weren't for income taxes, Russell would be even richer than he is, but how much he or anyone else ever pays in taxes is irrelevant. How come?
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Does his job involve income taxes? Is he H/A/M? Is he employed? Is his education level relevant? Are the location or time period relevant? True story? Other people involved?
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Does his job involve income taxes? no Is he H/A/M? yes to all 3 Is he employed? yesIs his education level relevant? yope Are the location or time period relevant? yesTrue story? yes Other people involved? yes
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LTPF list of centuries and continents?

Is he a supervisor of some sort? Has he inherited his wealth? Is he a political leader? Is his profession relevant? If so, LTPF list of professions?

Other people involved -- known to him? Directly? Customers? Relatives? Friends? Associates?
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LTPF list of centuries and continents? USA after 1964

Is he a supervisor of some sort? irrel Has he inherited his wealth? no Is he a political leader? noIs his profession relevant? A few professions may be precluded If so, LTPF list of professions?

Other people involved -- known to him? Directly? Customers? noRelatives? no Friends? no Associates? Who counts as an associate?
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Other people involved -- known to him personally? Face-to-face? Business associates? People met in passing? Politics involved? Could this have happened anywhere besides the USA? If so, could it have happened in the USSR? Is Russell an immigrant? A citizen of the US?

Did something relevant change in 1964? A regulation? If the US had never instituted income tax, would Russell be richer? What if there were no income tax, but some other sort of tax (a flat tax, for example)?
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Other people involved -- known to him personally? yes Face-to-face? yesBusiness associates? no People met in passing? noishPolitics involved? no Could this have happened anywhere besides the USA? not without another change in those countriesIf so, could it have happened in the USSR? dittoIs Russell an immigrant? irrelA citizen of the US? ditto

Did something relevant change in 1964? BLOOOOOOOOPERRRRALERTTTTTTTT!! I should have said this could have happened to Russell only after about 2003 (I'm not sure of the exact year. But the answer to this question is yes, with the year adjusted} A regulation? yes If the US had never instituted income tax, would Russell be richer? yesWhat if there were no income tax, but some other sort of tax (a flat tax, for example)?possibly
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How many other people involved? 1? 2? 3? More? All the people in a certain neighborhood? City? County? State? Country?

The regulation that was changed -- was it actually changed to mean something else, or was it new and had not previously existed? Did it apply to a city, county, state or entire country? Is it illegal to violate this regulation? If so, is that a felony or misdemeanor? Does the regulation apply specifically to taxes, or to something else? Does it affect how much money is paid to the government? To Russell?
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How many other people involved? 1? 2? 3 More? moreAll the people in a certain neighborhood? yesish
City? yesish County? yueish State? yesish Country?yes

The regulation that was changed -- was it actually changed to mean something else, or was it new and had not previously existed? the latterDid it apply to a city, county, state or entire country? entire country Is it illegal to violate this regulation? no If so, is that a felony or misdemeanor? Does the regulation apply specifically to taxes, or to something else? the latter Does it affect how much money is paid to the government? no To Russell? yes
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Is money, drawn from taxes paid by others, paid to Russell? Is he a businessman?

Are the others involved people who pay the taxes?

Does Russell live in the US? In the same locality as those paying the taxes? Does he pay taxes? The same ones?

Is the tax optional? Is it a sales tax of some sort? A tax on a luxury item? An item that everyone purchases or requires? A tax on energy?

Does Russell draw a salary? From the government? Is he self-employed?
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Is money, drawn from taxes paid by others, paid to Russell? irrelIs he a businessman? irrel
They are in fact American taxpayers, but their taxes are irrel

Does Russell live in the US? yesIn the same locality as those paying the taxes? see previous answer but one Does he pay taxes? yes The same ones? the tax relevant to the puzzle is the income tax & everyone who figures in the puzzle presumably pays the tax but that's IRREL

Is the tax optional? Is it a sales tax of some sort? A tax on a luxury item? An item that everyone purchases or requires? A tax on energy? for amsdwers to all these questions, see above. The relevant tax is the income tax

Does Russell draw a salary? yes but irrelFrom the government? no but irrel Is he self-employed? ditto
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OK - so Russell lives in America. He and lots of other people pay income tax but how much is irrelevant here - correct?
there has been a new regulation correct? but this new regulation does not relate to tax - correct? and as a result of this new regulation Russell is not as rich as he would be if it didn't exist? and this situation only arises because income taxes exist as well as this regulation?
and it's not against the law to fail to adhere to this new regulation - correct?

the new regulation affects how much money Russell gets - correct? does it affect his salary? does it affect how much he gets from the government? how much tax relief he gets on his income? how much he can claim in expenses without being taxed? does it have the effect of making something tax-allowable that wasn't before?

does the new regulation affect how much money he gets from his clients? how much he inherits? how much he can win? from gambling? or the lottery? how much he can get for selling something? how much he can claim as a reward for finding something?

does the new regulation have the effect of stopping him getting some money he would otherwise have got? or does it make him pay more than he would otherwise have to pay for something?

are any of these relevant - charitable giving? gifts of money? changing currencies? criminal activity? extortion? blackmail? performance fees? copyright? academic fees? tax thresholds?

is the act of filling in a tex return relevant?
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OK - so Russell lives in America. He and lots of other people pay income tax but how much is irrelevant here - correct?yes
there has been a new regulation correct? yes but this new regulation does not relate to tax - correct? yesand as a result of this new regulation Russell is not as rich as he would be if it didn't exist?no and this situation only arises because income taxes exist as well as this regulation? yes
and it's not against the law to fail to adhere to this new regulation - correct? yes

the new regulation affects how much money Russell gets - correct? yesdoes it affect his salary? no does it affect how much he gets from the government? nohow much tax relief he gets on his income? no how much he can claim in expenses without being taxed? no does it have the effect of making something tax-allowable that wasn't before? no

does the new regulation affect how much money he gets from his clients? no how much he inherits? no how much he can win? yes from gambling? no or the lottery? no how much he can get for selling something? no how much he can claim as a reward for finding something? no

does the new regulation have the effect of stopping him getting some money he would otherwise have got? no or does it make him pay more than he would otherwise have to pay for something? no

are any of these relevant - charitable giving? gifts of money? changing currencies? criminal activity? extortion? blackmail? performance fees? copyright? academic fees? tax thresholds? nothing on that list is relevant

is the act of filling in a tex return relevant? yes
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Tax thresholds are unimportant, so it's not that he can take home more of the money he has somehow won? But now he can win when before he couldn't have? He would not have been eligible to win? Does he win money? Something else? Does he win more of it than he would have? Something better than he would have otherwise?

He hasn't won a lottery, and is not a gambler. Did he win a sweepstakes (like Publisher's Clearing House)?

Is he rich in -- money? Possessions? Friends? Family? Land? Buildings? Would he be richer in any of these if not for the new regulation?
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Tax thresholds are unimportant, so it's not that he can take home more of the money he has somehow won? yesBut now he can win when before he couldn't have?yesish or yopeHe would not have been eligible to win? yesish or yope Does he win money? yes Something else?yesish Does he win more of it than he would have? yes Something better than he would have otherwise? see previous answer

He hasn't won a lottery, and is not a gambler. Did he win a sweepstakes (like Publisher's Clearing House)? no. Think about the various sorts of things that someone might win

Is he rich in -- money? yes Possessions? irrel Friends? dotto Family? dittoLand? ditto Buildings? ditto Would he be richer in any of these if not for the new regulation? no
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He won -- A game show? A vacation? A cruise? A contest? Does he get something FOR winning something else?
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He won -- A game show?yesA vacation? noA cruise? noA contest? see first answerDoes he get something FOR winning something else? yes
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Does it matter:

What, specifically, he won?
What, specifically, he received for winning?
Which game show?
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Does it matter:

What, specifically, he won? yes
What, specifically, he received for winning? yes
Which game show? yes
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Did he win money? A brand new car?

Is the game show one that is still shown today? If not, was it most recently on the air in [LTPF list of decades from the invention of the TV until now]?

Is Jeopardy the game show? Say, a Final Jeopardy question that he missed involving income taxes, though he still won? Or, perhaps, got right while wagering less than he otherwise would have because he wasn't confident about answering correctly when he saw the category?
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Did he win money? yes A brand new car? I'm not sure

Is the game show one that is still shown today? yes If not, was it most recently on the air in [LTPF list of decades from the invention of the TV until now]?

Is Jeopardy the game show? yesSay, a Final Jeopardy question that he missed involving income taxes yes, though he still won? noOr, perhaps, got right while wagering less than he otherwise would have because he wasn't confident about answering correctly when he saw the category? no
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If he did not win on Jeopardy, he wouldn't have taken home any money. He would have gotten "prizes," like a vacation or something electronic. Correct?

Do we need to know what question he missed? When he answered it, did he believe he had the correct answer?

Was he rich before he appeared on Jeopardy? Was he actually on Jeopardy, or playing a Jeopardy computer game or something else that is not actually the gameshow?
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If he did not win on Jeopardy, he wouldn't have taken home any money.{yes} He would have gotten "prizes," like a vacation or something electronic. Correct? irrel (although I think losers don't get anything

Do we need to know what question he missed? Just that ot deals with tazes, whichyou've established When he answered it, did he believe he had the correct answer?

Was he rich before he appeared on Jeopardy? no Was he actually on Jeopardy, or playing a Jeopardy computer game or something else that is not actually the gameshow? the former
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HINT: We've already established that this is a true story. Find out who Russell is.

And here's the answer to a question I overlooked. When he answered it, did he believe he had the correct answer? irrel
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Is he the famous guy who won a million bucks on the show?
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Is he the famous guy who won a million bucks on the show? Yes, Ken Jennings, & he actualkly won 2.52 million!

**** SPOILER **************
After the Jeopardy! regulation limiting each plater to 5 games was removed, Ken Jennings won 76 games for a total of 2,52 million. He would have gotten even richer if he hadn't flubbed a "final jeopardy" question on who was the biggest tax return preparer in the USA. Even I knew the answer--H & R Bloch. Thanks for solving it, Jenburoo, & I hope you will all check out my new puzzle you know where (as well as turning your clever lateral minds to my ongoing puzzles).

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