| Author | Message | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 692 Registered: 8-2005 |
Steve was a rational man however days before the wedding he disfigured himself intentionally! How come? Early Sp01lers please e-mail | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 474 Registered: 6-2003 |
Because he had a moment of absolute insanity away from his usual rationality? Steve = he = himself? Was it Steve's wedding? Did he disfigure himself because of the forthcoming wedding? Did he think he'd get a financial? personal? professional? sexual/romantic? reward for doing so? If he did think so, was he correct in thinking so? Once we know the reasoning, is it the sort of thing where we're likely to agree entirely that it was the right thing to do? Think he maybe shouldn't have done it, but understand entirely why he did? Or think that he was a nutjob, and that his logic for doing so was silly? | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 40 Registered: 5-2009 |
Physical disfiguring? Face? Upper body? Lower body? Was he in any danger? Did he disfigure himself to save himself from death? Harm? Something else? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 694 Registered: 8-2005 |
Because he had a moment of absolute insanity away from his usual rationality? No Steve = he = himself? Yes Was it Steve's wedding? Yes Did he disfigure himself because of the forthcoming wedding? Did he think he'd get a financial? personal? No professional? sexual/romantic? reward for doing so? No to all If he did think so, was he correct in thinking so? so No Once we know the reasoning, is it the sort of thing where we're likely to agree entirely that it was the right thing to do? maybeThink he maybe shouldn't have done it, but understand entirely why he did? Maybe Or think that he was a nutjob, and that his logic for doing so was silly? His logic was probably sound | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 695 Registered: 8-2005 |
Physical disfiguring? Yes Face? Yes Upper body? Yes Lower body? No Was he in any danger? Yes-ish Did he disfigure himself to save himself from death? No Harm? possibly Something else? {Yes} | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1698 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? burning? cutting? hitting? Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself? If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself? Is his job relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 936 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he still intend to get married, or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? If so, would the injury require hospitalization? Was Steve circumcised? Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More? Are the time period or location relevant? Is Steve's religion relevant? Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)? Had Steve met his bride? Is this relevant? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 696 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? To an extent Yesburning? cutting? hitting? None of these Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself? No If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself? possibly Is his job relevant? No Did he still intend to get married, Yes or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? So No Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Other than she was his fiance nothing else untoward Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? No If so, would the injury require hospitalization? So No Was Steve circumcised? Irelevant Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More? In the whole puzzle there are several people involved, however one other person is very relevant Are the time period or location relevant? No Is Steve's religion relevant? No Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)? Yes Had Steve met his bride? Yes Is this relevant? Only that it was just a normal relationship | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 697 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? To an extent Yesburning? cutting? hitting? None of these Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself? No If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself? possibly Is his job relevant? No Did he still intend to get married, Yes or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? So No Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Other than she was his fiance nothing else untoward Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? No If so, would the injury require hospitalization? So No Was Steve circumcised? Irelevant Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More? In the whole puzzle there are several people involved, however one other person is very relevant Are the time period or location relevant? No Is Steve's religion relevant? No Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)? Yes Had Steve met his bride? Yes Is this relevant? Only that it was just a normal relationship | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 698 Registered: 8-2005 |
oops seem to have hit post twice, must concentrate lol | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 716 Registered: 12-2008 |
to save money? To avoid being recognized in wedding photos by someone else? like a wife? ex-wife? former girlfriend?mob? police? By disfigure do you mean we would look at him and think his face would look disfigured? or just that his face would look different, as in plastic surgery? Did he become disfigured in the hospital? Are photographs relevant? | ||
| Alancookie (Alancookie)
New member Username: Alancookie Post Number: 57 Registered: 2-2006 |
Was a sporting event involved, such as painting his face? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 699 Registered: 8-2005 |
to save money? To avoid being recognized in wedding photos by someone else? like a wife? ex-wife? former girlfriend?mob? police? No to all By disfigure do you mean we would look at him and think his face would look disfigured? No or just that his face would look different, Yes as in plastic surgery? but not this Did he become disfigured in the hospital? No hospitals are involved Are photographs relevant? No Was a sporting event involved, such as painting his face? No | ||
| Alancookie (Alancookie)
New member Username: Alancookie Post Number: 58 Registered: 2-2006 |
Did the disfiguring involve changing the color of his face? Did it involve jewelry or tools to achieve this disfiguring? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 700 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did the disfiguring involve changing the color of his face? No Did it involve jewelry or tools Yes to achieve this disfiguring? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he actually get married? Would he have been able to get married without disfiguring himself? Did he expect any difficulties in getting married if he wouldn't disfigure himself? Did Steve's bride know about his plan to disfigure himself before he actually did it? Did she think Steve was right in doing so? Is the one other relevant person one of Steve's relatives? The bride's relatives? Someone who played an official role in the marriage (registrar, priest...)? A former girlfriend/fiancée/wife of Steve? A former boyfriend/fiancé/husband of his bride? | ||
| Alancookie (Alancookie)
New member Username: Alancookie Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2006 |
Was his face already disfigured before and this action made it less distracting? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 701 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did he actually get married? Yes Would he have been able to get married without disfiguring himself? Maybe Did he expect any difficulties in getting married if he wouldn't disfigure himself? Definatley Did Steve's bride know about his plan to disfigure himself before he actually did it? NoDid she think Steve was right in doing so? FA Is the one other relevant person one of Steve's relatives? no The bride's relatives? Someone who played an official role in the marriage (registrar, priest...)? No A former girlfriend/fiancée/wife of Steve? No A former boyfriend/fiancé/husband of his bride? No Was his face already disfigured before and this action made it less distracting? No but pursue this line of thinking | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2009 |
Steve expected difficulties in getting married. Are these difficulties related to some crime? Some crime he committed? Some crime against him? Did he expect to get arrested? Other legal difficulties? Did he expect his bride would refuse to marry him? Is it important whether they married in a church or an office/courtroom? is it relevant in which country they married? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 952 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Steve expect to arrive at the wedding with a disfigurement? Would this disfigurement be visible if he was wearing clothing? Was he expecting a reaction? From members of the wedding party? From someone else? Does he intend to fix or hide the disfigurement before the wedding? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 702 Registered: 8-2005 |
Steve expected difficulties in getting married. Are these difficulties related to some crime? No Some crime he committed? No Some crime against him? No Did he expect to get arrested? No Other legal difficulties? No Did he expect his bride would refuse to marry him? Yes Is it important whether they married in a church or an office/courtroom? is it relevant in which country they married? All Irrelevant Did Steve expect to arrive at the wedding with a disfigurement? Yes Would this disfigurement be visible if he was wearing clothing? Yesish possible FA Was he expecting a reaction? Yes From members of the wedding party? Yes From someone else? Does he intend to fix or hide the disfigurement before the wedding? No | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the disfigurement of a kind you would usually assume to be the result of some kind of injury? Would someone who doesn't know Steve disfigured himself assume his state was the result of some kind of accident? The result of an assault? Would he assume Steve indeed disfigured himself? Steve expected some reaction from members of the wedding party. Some particular member(s)? Only one member? Would this reaction convince the bride of marrying him? Is the cultural background of Steve, his bride, or the other relevant person relevant? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 703 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is the disfigurement of a kind you would usually assume to be the result of some kind of injury? No Would someone who doesn't know Steve disfigured himself assume his state was the result of some kind of accident? No The result of an assault? Possibly Would he assume Steve indeed disfigured himself? Possibly Steve expected some reaction from members of the wedding party. Some particular member(s)? Yes but bware of an FA lurking Only one member? Yes Would this reaction convince the bride of marrying him? No Is the cultural background of Steve, his bride, or the other relevant person relevant? No | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did Steve expect a reaction of the bride? His face looked different because of the disfigurement. Different in form? In colour? Did his hair look different? His beard? His eyes? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 704 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did Steve expect a reaction of the bride? Yes His face looked different because of the disfigurement. Different in form? In colour? Did his hair look different? His beard? His eyes? Yesish | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 27 Registered: 5-2009 |
His eyebrows? The skin around his eyes? Does he have a black eye? Is the reaction Steve expected simply that she would marry him, or does he also expect some other reaction? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 705 Registered: 8-2005 |
His eyebrows? \bes The skin around his eyes? Does he have a black eye? Is the reaction Steve expected simply that she would marry him, Yesish or does he also expect some other reaction? Yesish explore this | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 706 Registered: 8-2005 |
His eyebrows? Yes The skin around his eyes? No Does he have a black eye? No | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he shave or otherwise remove his eyebrows? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 707 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did he shave or otherwise remove his eyebrows? Yes | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he do anything else to disfigure himself? Was there some previous time in his life when he was without eyebrows? Does he expect his bride to remember something? To pity him? To fear something? | ||
| Alancookie (Alancookie)
New member Username: Alancookie Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2006 |
Was there some bet, wager or tradition involved? | ||
| Alancookie (Alancookie)
New member Username: Alancookie Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2006 |
Was there some bet, wager or tradition involved? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 724 Registered: 12-2008 |
Was he trying to look like the brides intended groom who wasn't Steve? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 708 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did he do anything else to disfigure himself? No...but.... Was there some previous time in his life when he was without eyebrows? No Does he expect his bride to remember something? NoTo pity him? Yesish To fear something? No Was there some bet,No wager No or tradition Yes involved? Was he trying to look like the brides intended groom who wasn't Steve? No | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 862 Registered: 7-2001 |
was the stag night relevant? had a trick been played on him? did he shave his eyebrows to make it seem that they had been shaved during a stag night? did he want it to appear that he was unaware of what had happened on a stag night? so unaware that his friends could shave his eyebrows? to cover himself for something else that had occurred? to make it seem less his fault? was he left somewhere by his friends? left naked? had he misbehaved prior to his wedding? and wanted it to look as though he had had a stag night when actually he hadn't? but he had been doing something else she wouldn't like? like being with another woman? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 710 Registered: 8-2005 |
was the stag night relevant? Yes had a trick been played on him? No did he shave his eyebrows to make it seem that they had been shaved during a stag night? Yes did he want it to appear that he was unaware of what had happened on a stag night? Yes so unaware that his friends could shave his eyebrows? Yes to cover himself for something else that had occurred? Yes to make it seem less his fault? \b(Yes) was he left somewhere by his friends? left naked? No to both had he misbehaved prior to his wedding? Yes and wanted it to look as though he had had a stag night when actually he hadn't? He did have a stag night but he had been doing something else she wouldn't like? Yes she would not approve like being with another woman? Yes You are really close now want to try to put it all together | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 479 Registered: 6-2003 |
So is this the correct understanding of events thus far: Steve was planning on / was already having a sexual relationship with another woman before the wedding. In anticipation of his bride-to-be finding out, he shaved his eyebrows off. The rationale behind this was that, on the wedding day, she would see his distinct lack of eyebrows, assume that this shaving happened on the stag night without his knowledge, and further assume that the sexual indiscretion had taken place without his knowledge...maybe as some enforced stag night prank. Is this all correct? Is there anything else, within the boundaries of what I've mentioned, that still needs to be discovered? (e.g. if something other than his eyebrows were removed in the 'disfigurement'?) Is there anything else that needs to be found out? If so, what: the specifics of his sexual relationship? the identity of this other woman? exactly why/how he anticipated the bride-to-be might find out? how the bride-to-be would be likely to react if she realised that he was fully complicit in this sexual relationship? how he expects her to react, having made the false assumption that he wants her to make? what actually happened on the stag night? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 711 Registered: 8-2005 |
Ok thats good enough for ****SPOILER**** Steve was due to be married he really did love his fiance but in the past was a bit of a player and had an eye for the ladies. His friends took him on his stagnight the weekend before the wedding and much alcohol was consumed! During the course of the evening Steve found himself in the company of a rather attractive young woman. His past/ego/urges took over him and he decided to go for one last drunken fling before he was married. Having spent the night with the lady in question he awoke to find a huge and quite obvious love bite on his chest! He was due to see his wife that evening, and had to think fast! This is when he shaved off one of his eyebrows. On returning home his wife to be was obviously shocked at the sight and Steve explained " It was a great night but I got really really drunk, and the lads thought it would be funny to shave off my eyebrow." "Thats awful" said his fiance, "Yes" said Steve, but thats not the worste of it, look what else they did to me.." whilst unbuttoning his shirt!! Thanks for playing | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 866 Registered: 7-2001 |
Good puzzle! Thanks. |
