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Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 12:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve was a rational man however days before the wedding he disfigured himself intentionally! How come?

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Because he had a moment of absolute insanity away from his usual rationality?

Steve = he = himself? Was it Steve's wedding?

Did he disfigure himself because of the forthcoming wedding? Did he think he'd get a financial? personal? professional? sexual/romantic? reward for doing so? If he did think so, was he correct in thinking so?

Once we know the reasoning, is it the sort of thing where we're likely to agree entirely that it was the right thing to do? Think he maybe shouldn't have done it, but understand entirely why he did? Or think that he was a nutjob, and that his logic for doing so was silly?
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Physical disfiguring?
Face?
Upper body?
Lower body?
Was he in any danger?
Did he disfigure himself to save himself from death?
Harm?
Something else?
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Because he had a moment of absolute insanity away from his usual rationality? No

Steve = he = himself? Yes Was it Steve's wedding? Yes

Did he disfigure himself because of the forthcoming wedding? Did he think he'd get a financial? personal? No professional? sexual/romantic? reward for doing so? No to all If he did think so, was he correct in thinking so? so No

Once we know the reasoning, is it the sort of thing where we're likely to agree entirely that it was the right thing to do? maybeThink he maybe shouldn't have done it, but understand entirely why he did? Maybe Or think that he was a nutjob, and that his logic for doing so was silly? His logic was probably sound
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Physical disfiguring? Yes
Face? Yes
Upper body? Yes
Lower body? No
Was he in any danger? Yes-ish
Did he disfigure himself to save himself from death? No
Harm? possibly
Something else? {Yes}
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Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? burning? cutting? hitting? Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself?

If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself?

Is his job relevant?
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Did he still intend to get married, or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? If so, would the injury require hospitalization?

Was Steve circumcised?

Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More?

Are the time period or location relevant?

Is Steve's religion relevant?

Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)?

Had Steve met his bride? Is this relevant?
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Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? To an extent Yesburning? cutting? hitting? None of these Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself? No

If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself? possibly

Is his job relevant? No

Did he still intend to get married, Yes or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? So No Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Other than she was his fiance nothing else untoward Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? No If so, would the injury require hospitalization? So No

Was Steve circumcised? Irelevant
Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More? In the whole puzzle there are several people involved, however one other person is very relevant

Are the time period or location relevant? No

Is Steve's religion relevant? No

Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)? Yes

Had Steve met his bride? Yes Is this relevant? Only that it was just a normal relationship
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Is it relevant how he disfigured himself? To an extent Yesburning? cutting? hitting? None of these Did he enlist the help of any friends in disfiguring himself? No

If he hadn't been getting married a few days later, would he still have disfigured himself? possibly

Is his job relevant? No

Did he still intend to get married, Yes or was this a method of getting out of the wedding? So No Is his relationship with the bride relevant? Other than she was his fiance nothing else untoward Was Steve injured in the process of disfigurement? No If so, would the injury require hospitalization? So No

Was Steve circumcised? Irelevant
Is anyone besides Steve involved? If so, one person? Two? Three? More? In the whole puzzle there are several people involved, however one other person is very relevant

Are the time period or location relevant? No

Is Steve's religion relevant? No

Is this a normal wedding (ie, an adult man marrying an adult woman, in a church or a courtroom)? Yes

Had Steve met his bride? Yes Is this relevant? Only that it was just a normal relationship
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oops seem to have hit post twice, must concentrate lol
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to save money?

To avoid being recognized in wedding photos by someone else? like a wife? ex-wife? former girlfriend?mob? police?

By disfigure do you mean we would look at him and think his face would look disfigured? or just that his face would look different, as in plastic surgery? Did he become disfigured in the hospital?

Are photographs relevant?
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Was a sporting event involved, such as painting his face?
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to save money?

To avoid being recognized in wedding photos by someone else? like a wife? ex-wife? former girlfriend?mob? police? No to all

By disfigure do you mean we would look at him and think his face would look disfigured? No or just that his face would look different, Yes as in plastic surgery? but not this Did he become disfigured in the hospital? No hospitals are involved

Are photographs relevant? No

Was a sporting event involved, such as painting his face? No
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Did the disfiguring involve changing the color of his face? Did it involve jewelry or tools to achieve this disfiguring?
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Did the disfiguring involve changing the color of his face? No Did it involve jewelry or tools Yes to achieve this disfiguring?
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Did he actually get married? Would he have been able to get married without disfiguring himself? Did he expect any difficulties in getting married if he wouldn't disfigure himself?

Did Steve's bride know about his plan to disfigure himself before he actually did it? Did she think Steve was right in doing so?

Is the one other relevant person one of Steve's relatives? The bride's relatives? Someone who played an official role in the marriage (registrar, priest...)? A former girlfriend/fiancée/wife of Steve? A former boyfriend/fiancé/husband of his bride?
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Was his face already disfigured before and this action made it less distracting?
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Did he actually get married? Yes Would he have been able to get married without disfiguring himself? Maybe Did he expect any difficulties in getting married if he wouldn't disfigure himself? Definatley

Did Steve's bride know about his plan to disfigure himself before he actually did it? NoDid she think Steve was right in doing so? FA

Is the one other relevant person one of Steve's relatives? no The bride's relatives? Someone who played an official role in the marriage (registrar, priest...)? No A former girlfriend/fiancée/wife of Steve? No A former boyfriend/fiancé/husband of his bride? No
Was his face already disfigured before and this action made it less distracting? No but pursue this line of thinking
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Steve expected difficulties in getting married. Are these difficulties related to some crime? Some crime he committed? Some crime against him? Did he expect to get arrested? Other legal difficulties? Did he expect his bride would refuse to marry him?

Is it important whether they married in a church or an office/courtroom? is it relevant in which country they married?
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Did Steve expect to arrive at the wedding with a disfigurement? Would this disfigurement be visible if he was wearing clothing? Was he expecting a reaction? From members of the wedding party? From someone else? Does he intend to fix or hide the disfigurement before the wedding?
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Steve expected difficulties in getting married. Are these difficulties related to some crime? No Some crime he committed? No Some crime against him? No Did he expect to get arrested? No Other legal difficulties? No Did he expect his bride would refuse to marry him? Yes

Is it important whether they married in a church or an office/courtroom? is it relevant in which country they married? All Irrelevant

Did Steve expect to arrive at the wedding with a disfigurement? Yes Would this disfigurement be visible if he was wearing clothing? Yesish possible FA
Was he expecting a reaction? Yes From members of the wedding party? Yes From someone else? Does he intend to fix or hide the disfigurement before the wedding? No
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Is the disfigurement of a kind you would usually assume to be the result of some kind of injury? Would someone who doesn't know Steve disfigured himself assume his state was the result of some kind of accident? The result of an assault? Would he assume Steve indeed disfigured himself?

Steve expected some reaction from members of the wedding party. Some particular member(s)? Only one member? Would this reaction convince the bride of marrying him?

Is the cultural background of Steve, his bride, or the other relevant person relevant?
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Is the disfigurement of a kind you would usually assume to be the result of some kind of injury? No Would someone who doesn't know Steve disfigured himself assume his state was the result of some kind of accident? No The result of an assault? Possibly Would he assume Steve indeed disfigured himself? Possibly
Steve expected some reaction from members of the wedding party. Some particular member(s)? Yes but bware of an FA lurking Only one member? Yes Would this reaction convince the bride of marrying him? No

Is the cultural background of Steve, his bride, or the other relevant person relevant? No
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Did Steve expect a reaction of the bride?

His face looked different because of the disfigurement. Different in form? In colour? Did his hair look different? His beard? His eyes?
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Did Steve expect a reaction of the bride? Yes

His face looked different because of the disfigurement. Different in form? In colour? Did his hair look different? His beard? His eyes? Yesish
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His eyebrows? The skin around his eyes? Does he have a black eye?

Is the reaction Steve expected simply that she would marry him, or does he also expect some other reaction?
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His eyebrows? \bes The skin around his eyes? Does he have a black eye?

Is the reaction Steve expected simply that she would marry him, Yesish or does he also expect some other reaction? Yesish explore this
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His eyebrows? Yes The skin around his eyes? No Does he have a black eye? No
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Did he shave or otherwise remove his eyebrows?
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Did he shave or otherwise remove his eyebrows? Yes
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Did he do anything else to disfigure himself?

Was there some previous time in his life when he was without eyebrows?

Does he expect his bride to remember something? To pity him? To fear something?
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Was there some bet, wager or tradition involved?
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Was there some bet, wager or tradition involved?
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Was he trying to look like the brides intended groom who wasn't Steve?
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Did he do anything else to disfigure himself? No...but....

Was there some previous time in his life when he was without eyebrows? No

Does he expect his bride to remember something? NoTo pity him? Yesish To fear something? No

Was there some bet,No wager No or tradition Yes involved?

Was he trying to look like the brides intended groom who wasn't Steve? No
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was the stag night relevant?
had a trick been played on him?
did he shave his eyebrows to make it seem that they had been shaved during a stag night?
did he want it to appear that he was unaware of what had happened on a stag night? so unaware that his friends could shave his eyebrows? to cover himself for something else that had occurred? to make it seem less his fault?

was he left somewhere by his friends? left naked?

had he misbehaved prior to his wedding? and wanted it to look as though he had had a stag night when actually he hadn't? but he had been doing something else she wouldn't like? like being with another woman?
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was the stag night relevant? Yes
had a trick been played on him? No
did he shave his eyebrows to make it seem that they had been shaved during a stag night? Yes
did he want it to appear that he was unaware of what had happened on a stag night? Yes so unaware that his friends could shave his eyebrows? Yes to cover himself for something else that had occurred? Yes to make it seem less his fault? \b(Yes)

was he left somewhere by his friends? left naked? No to both

had he misbehaved prior to his wedding? Yes and wanted it to look as though he had had a stag night when actually he hadn't? He did have a stag night but he had been doing something else she wouldn't like? Yes she would not approve like being with another woman? Yes You are really close now want to try to put it all together
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So is this the correct understanding of events thus far:

Steve was planning on / was already having a sexual relationship with another woman before the wedding. In anticipation of his bride-to-be finding out, he shaved his eyebrows off. The rationale behind this was that, on the wedding day, she would see his distinct lack of eyebrows, assume that this shaving happened on the stag night without his knowledge, and further assume that the sexual indiscretion had taken place without his knowledge...maybe as some enforced stag night prank.

Is this all correct? Is there anything else, within the boundaries of what I've mentioned, that still needs to be discovered? (e.g. if something other than his eyebrows were removed in the 'disfigurement'?)

Is there anything else that needs to be found out? If so, what: the specifics of his sexual relationship? the identity of this other woman? exactly why/how he anticipated the bride-to-be might find out? how the bride-to-be would be likely to react if she realised that he was fully complicit in this sexual relationship? how he expects her to react, having made the false assumption that he wants her to make? what actually happened on the stag night?
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Ok thats good enough for ****SPOILER****

Steve was due to be married he really did love his fiance but in the past was a bit of a player and had an eye for the ladies. His friends took him on his stagnight the weekend before the wedding and much alcohol was consumed! During the course of the evening Steve found himself in the company of a rather attractive young woman. His past/ego/urges took over him and he decided to go for one last drunken fling before he was married. Having spent the night with the lady in question he awoke to find a huge and quite obvious love bite on his chest! He was due to see his wife that evening, and had to think fast! This is when he shaved off one of his eyebrows. On returning home his wife to be was obviously shocked at the sight and Steve explained " It was a great night but I got really really drunk, and the lads thought it would be funny to shave off my eyebrow." "Thats awful" said his fiance, "Yes" said Steve, but thats not the worste of it, look what else they did to me.." whilst unbuttoning his shirt!!


Thanks for playing
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Good puzzle! Thanks.

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