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An American sociologist chose to study patterns in people's choices for their children's names because he was interested in a more general question that few if any other sorts of choices would answer as well. What was it?
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Interesting..

was he interested in the parents' cultural identity? in their aspirations for their child? in their interest in family history?

are links with ancestors relevant? inheritance?

is he looking at the parents' identification with their own culture? or perr group? or nationality? or race?

are both boys and girls' names relevant here? are any particular names relvant? is it relevant when they name their children? baptism relevant? any other sort of religious rite?


is he interested in how the children develop? whether one's name affects ones' development@ life chances? is he interested in correlating names with other features? educational attainment? income?

is his interest really in religion? politics? race? cultural identity? language?
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Interesting..

was he interested in the parents' cultural identity? no, or at least that would not explain why he chose names as his field of studyin their aspirations for their child? dittoin their interest in family history? ditto

are links with ancestors relevant? ditto inheritance?yope

is he looking at the parents' identification with their own culture? no, or at least that wouldn't explain why he picked names as his field of studyor perr group? ditto or nationality? dittoor race? no

are both boys and girls' names relevant here? both are any particular names relvant? nois it relevant when they name their children? no baptism relevant? noany other sort of religious rite? no


is he interested in how the children develop? no whether one's name affects ones' development@ life chances? nois he interested in correlating names with other features? noeducational attainment? no income? no

is his interest really in religion? no politics? norace? nocultural identity? nolanguage?
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is his interest really in religion? no politics? no race? nocultural identity? no language? no
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Patterns - regional patterns? patterns concerning time? Patterns of choiches over several generations of families (e.g. naming the oldest son after his father)? Are middle names of interest to the sociologist?

Is it relevant that the sociologist is an American sociologist?
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Patterns - regional patterns? irrel patterns concerning time? irrelPatterns of choiches over several generations of families (e.g. naming the oldest son after his father)? irrel Are middle names of interest to the sociologist? yes

Is it relevant that the sociologist is an American sociologist? It would work for many other countries as well
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So studying middle names can answer a general question that could also be answered by at least a few other sorts of studies?

Studying middle names only? Middle and first? Middle and last? All three?

Ordinary people? People in America, or would other countries work? A certain area? Or worldwide? People of a certain socioeconomic class? (ie, those of noble birth get several middle names?)
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So studying middle names can answer a general question that could also be answered by at least a few other sorts of studies? No, the puzzle statement says that few if any other choices would work as well as name choices. My point is that middle-name choices & first-name choices both would work.

Studying middle names only?maybe Middle and first? yesMiddle and last? yes, insofar as people choose last names, which is relatively rare}All three?see previous answer

Ordinary people? yesPeople in America, or would other countries work? I think it would work for most countries A certain area? any part of America or most countriesOr worldwide? ditto People of a certain socioeconomic class? no(ie, those of noble birth get several middle names?)
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So we have a yope to "inheritance". Does the yopeish "inheritance" refer to inheritance of physical property? Assets of monetary value? Something else? Does "inheritance" refer to inheritance of the name itself - i.e. parents naming their children after themselves?

Any of the following relevant:

Names being hard to pronounce? Easy to misspell?
New considerations in name choice caused by new technology? (e.g. computer systems not being able to handle special characters in names, or wanting to choose less common names so that you are easier to find in a Google search)

Is he looking at WHO people name their children after?

Does the more general question he is trying to answer relate to...

...migration?
...language?
...education?
...cultural differences?
...how people make choices in general?
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Seeing if naming the children after relatives increased that child's inheritance? or gifts from the relative they were named after while living?

Are nicknames relevant? Is who the child is named after relevant? The number of relatives the child is named after? If the name is a family last name that was dropped off that line of the family through family marriage - sort of Madison initially made its come back if I'm not mistaken? If traditional names are "americanized" or otherwise culturalized into the parents location? Is spelling relevant? If second, third, fourth etc generation children are less likely or more likely to have names related to the ancestral area the family is from? the religious area? Giving the child the same name as the parents so that the child will not have to pay to have all the assets turned over into his/her name upon the parents death?

Does this involve education - ie studies have proven that if there are three siblings all from the same family, with the exact same grades and exact same behavior, their teachers will be more likely to recommend Chen for gifted programs and classes, then Mark, and more likely to to recommend Mark for gifted programs and classed the Jamal. Statistically,Jamal's name alone means his grades will have to be significantly better than Chen's if he is going to be put in the gifted classes on his teacher's recommendation

Is he looking at when people stop naming children a name that has been passed down for generations? Is he looking at people who forget to name their children formally?...at all?

If parents give children names of different ethnic groups to make them more likely to get benefits given to people who only know about them through paper applications that do not ask for race?

Is it at all related to the pattern of parents choosing boys names for girls, to give them strong sounding names, to the point that those boys names than become strictly female - ie Brooke, Ashley?
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Seeing if naming the children after relatives increased that child's inheritance? no or gifts from the relative they were named after while living? no

Are nicknames relevant? noIs who the child is named after relevant? noThe number of relatives the child is named after? noIf the name is a family last name that was dropped off that line of the family through family marriage - sort of Madison initially made its come back if I'm not mistaken? noIf traditional names are "americanized" or otherwise culturalized into the parents location? no Is spelling relevant? noIf second, third, fourth etc generation children are less likely or more likely to have names related to the ancestral area the family is from? the religious area? no Giving the child the same name as the parents so that the child will not have to pay to have all the assets turned over into his/her name upon the parents death? no

Does this involve education - ie studies have proven that if there are three siblings all from the same family, with the exact same grades and exact same behavior, their teachers will be more likely to recommend Chen for gifted programs and classes, then Mark, and more likely to to recommend Mark for gifted programs and classed the Jamal. Statistically,Jamal's name alone means his grades will have to be significantly better than Chen's if he is going to be put in the gifted classes on his teacher's recommendation irrel

Is he looking at when people stop naming children a name that has been passed down for generations? no Is he looking at people who forget to name their children formally? no...at all? no

If parents give children names of different ethnic groups to make them more likely to get benefits given to people who only know about them through paper applications that do not ask for race? no

Is it at all related to the pattern of parents choosing boys names for girls, to give them strong sounding names, to the point that those boys names than become strictly female - ie Brooke, Ashley? no
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Don't I get a yes?
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I think you missed my questions.
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That was quite an impressive score of 'no's, Bolapara! But sadly broken up by your 'irrel' :-(

Was the general question he was hoping to answer related to the parents themselves? the children? some other group of people?

Did there actually have to be real children involved? Or could this have worked if he just asked what they would name their hypothetical children?

Did the question he wanted to answer have to do with the decision-making of couples? how they compromise? Was he interested in the actual choosing of the name? what influenced the choice? the effect of the name on the child?

Does this have to do with Freakonomics? ("Perfect Parenting, Part II, or: Would a Roshanda by Any Other Name Smell as Sweet?"?)
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So we have a yope to "inheritance". Actually, on second thought, I think it should be a noish, maybe even a no Does the yopeish "inheritance" refer to inheritance of physical property? ppossibyAssets of monetary value? yes Something else? no Does "inheritance" refer to inheritance of the name itself - i.e. parents naming their children after themselves? no

Any of the following relevant:

Names being hard to pronounce? Easy to misspell?
New considerations in name choice caused by new technology? (e.g. computer systems not being able to handle special characters in names, or wanting to choose less common names so that you are easier to find in a Google search) no

Is he looking at WHO people name their children after? no

Does the more general question he is trying to answer relate to...

...migration? see next answer
...language?ditto
...education? no
...cultural differences? ditto
...how people make choices in general? Yes--there's a special feature, very unusual feature of name-choices, which is why he's studying them. What is it?
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ny of the following relevant:

Names being hard to pronounce? no Easy to misspell? no Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Don't I get a yes? Only if you keep trying!!
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I think you missed my questions. Rectified, with my apologies
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That was quite an impressive score of 'no's, Bolapara! But sadly broken up by your 'irrel' :-(

Was the general question he was hoping to answer related to the parents themselves? yes the childrenb{ no} some other group of people? no

Did there actually have to be real children involved? no Or could this have worked if he just asked what they would name their hypothetical children? yes

Did the question he wanted to answer have to do with the decision-making of couples? he would do just as well single people who adopted babies or women who gpot pregnant & planned to raise the child on their ownhow they compromise? no Was he interested in the actual choosing of the name? yes what influenced the choice? yes the effect of the name on the child? no

Does this have to do with Freakonomics? {Please clarify ("Perfect Parenting, Part II, or: Would a Roshanda by Any Other Name Smell as Sweet?"?) irrel
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So what he was trying to assertain... HOW they chose the name? I.e. Whether they pulled the name out of their head? Named based on dead relatives? Bible characters? Researched online? Talked to their friends?

Does this relate to independent thinking vs. conforming to social norms?
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So what he was trying to assertain... HOW they chose the name? yes I.e. Whether they pulled the name out of their head? Named based on dead relatives? Bible characters? Researched online? Talked to their friends? He was just generally concerned with how they chose the names

Does this relate to independent thinking vs. conforming to social norms? No. Remember, you're looking for a way in which names-choices are different from other sorts of choices, a way that could explain why he picked name-choices to study.}
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There are three general ways of choosing names:
1) what they mean (Peter means stone, Rachel means ewe, Lily means lily)
2) who was called so earlier (the name of grandpa, names from the Bible or from a novel)
3) what they sound or look like (for instance giving all your children names beginning with J)

Is one of these principles more important for his research? Less important?
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Did he compare the names of siblings?
the names used in several generations of the same family?
Did he research whether there is a "leading name" in a family? (a particular first or middle name that is repeatedly used over decades or centuries within the family)
Did he research at all the relationship between naming practices of different generations within a family?
Would this approach have worked everywhere in the world where first and middle names are used?
only in "Western" countries?
only in Christian (Jewish? Muslim? Hindu?) families?
only in English speaking families?
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There are three general ways of choosing names:
1) what they mean (Peter means stone, Rachel means ewe, Lily means lily)
2) who was called so earlier (the name of grandpa, names from the Bible or from a novel)
3) what they sound or look like (for instance giving all your children names beginning with J) None of these is more relevant than any other

Is one of these principles more important for his research? no Less important? no
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Did he compare the names of siblings?possibly but irrel
the names used in several generations of the same family? ditto
Did he research whether there is a "leading name" in a family? (a particular first or middle name that is repeatedly used over decades or centuries within the family) ditto
Did he research at all the relationship between naming practices of different generations within a family? ditto
Would this approach have worked everywhere in the world where first and middle names are used? The point at issue isn't the approach; it's the REASON he chose names as the subject of his study.I'll answer the questions as if you had asked them that way. Everywhere in the world? Possibly not--I'm not sure}
only in "Western" countries? no
only in Christian no(Jewish? no Muslim? no Hindu? no) families?
only in English speaking families? no
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Hint: Think about how name-choices differ from the usual run of choices.
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any of these relevant about name choices:
that they are often made by both parents together? so may have to be negotiated? that vetoes are often used? that they are usually chosen from a list of existing names? that parents often make a shortlist? that the name is often chosen so that it goes with the existing surname? that the choice will affect someone else for a long time? that it is a choice being made on behalf of someone else - the child?
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Are the following relavent to the choice of name:
- Its permanence
- Its public and visible nature
- Its creation of one element of identity
- The fact that the choice will be lived with and repeated back to the parent thousands of times over the rest of their life
- Its connection to past life events and associations of the parent
- The degree to which a choice of name reflects the tastes, education and background of the parent
- Acheiving a compromise between choosing a unique name that reflects individuality and a common name that reflects conformity
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Are the following relavent to the choice of name:
- Its permanence no
- Its public and visible nature no
- Its creation of one element of identity no
- The fact that the choice will be lived with and repeated back to the parent thousands of times over the rest of their life no
- Its connection to past life events and associations of the parent no
- The degree to which a choice of name reflects the tastes, education and background of the parent no
- Acheiving a compromise between choosing a unique name that reflects individuality and a common name that reflects conformity no. Note that by all these "nos" I mean not that the sociologist didn't study these factors but that they played no role in why he picked name-choices to study rather than other sorts of choices.
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you didn't answer my questions.....
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you didn't answer my questions.....KdocOooooh. My apologies! See below! (Kdoc)
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any of these relevant about name choices:
that they are often made by both parents together? noso may have to be negotiated? nothat vetoes are often used? no that they are usually chosen from a list of existing names? no that parents often make a shortlist? no that the name is often chosen so that it goes with the existing surname? no that the choice will affect someone else for a long time? no that it is a choice being made on behalf of someone else - the child? no
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Was the general question he wanted to study related to making a choice (in some reasonable context)? to decision making at all? to public opinion? elections? job/career choice?
beach volleyball relevant? (just in case)
Is one of the relevant points about name-choosing that the parents can pick from a virtually unlimited number of names? that they can invent a new name?
Would this kind of study work equally well in China? (where the childhood name and the adult name of a person are usually different)
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is the relevance that it is a decision which is often made over many months? that there is always a deadline for the decision?
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Was the general question he wanted to study related to making a choice (in some reasonable context)? yes to decision making at all? to public opinion? elections? see previous answer job/career choice? no
beach volleyball relevant? no (believe it or not!!) (just in case)
Is one of the relevant points about name-choosing that the parents can pick from a virtually unlimited number of names? that they can invent a new name? no
Would this kind of study work equally well in China? yope (where the childhood name and the adult name of a person are usually different) that factor is irrel
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is the relevance that it is a decision which is often made over many months?no that there is always a deadline for the decision? no
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Would studying choosing a name for a pet have the same relevance for the researcher?
Is the researcher interested in the actual names chosen, the number of names chosen, and/or the method used to choose the name/s?
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Would studying choosing a name for a pet have the same relevance for the researcher? I think so
Is the researcher interested in the actual names chosen, the number of names chosen, and/or the method used to choose the name/s?the researcher is interested in all, but the special aspect of name-choices which explained why he picked them to study would involve the method (in a "yesish" way)
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Just checking: Does it have to do with the permenant nature of names (in most cultures anyway)?

Does it at all have to do with how we make everyday choices? (I.e. Will I wear the red shirt or the blue shirt today?) And how making a name choice requires a different process? Does it have to do with left brain activity vs. right brain activity? Does it have to do with trying to evoke an emotional response? (i.e. I care a hellofa lot more about what I name my dog than whether I have eggs or pancakes for breakfast.)
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Just checking: Does it have to do with the permenant nature of names (in most cultures anyway)? no

Does it at all have to do with how we make everyday choices? yes (I.e. Will I wear the red shirt or the blue shirt today?) And how making a name choice requires a different process? well, there's an important doifference between choosing names & making MANY (not all) everyday choices)Does it have to do with left brain activity vs. right brain activity? noDoes it have to do with trying to evoke an emotional response? no (i.e. I care a hellofa lot more about what I name my dog than whether I have eggs or pancakes for breakfast. I care a hell of a lot about what I have for breakfast!
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Does it have to do with making the choice out loud? (i.e. actually hearing what the name sounds like) Rather than having an internal monologue?
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Does it have to do with making the choice out loud? no(i.e. actually hearing what the name sounds like) Rather than having an internal monologue? irrel
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The sociologist is interested in HOW they choose names for the children?

Is he comparing today's parents to parents from older times?

Is he interested in who parents ask for advice? Like relatives/friends? The internet? If they seek professional advice? How much it costs?

Does it regard how "trendy" certain names are? (ex. my parents picked my name because they thought it was rare)

Does it regard parents who name their children after their dead loved ones?

How about the fact that there are now exponentially more name choices than any culture once had?
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Does it relate to linguistics? Semantics? When choosing a name, the choice is a word. Is this relevant?

Also, a name is abstract and intangible. Is the sociologist interested in how we think about abstract concepts and make choices when they are intangible? Anything like this?
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One more thought -- the process of picking names involves choosing from a list of candidates. A large list is whittled down to a short list from which the final choice emerges. Is this relevant?
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Okay, one MORE thought -- the association of a name with a person is part of what defines identity. Is the sociologist interested in how we make choices that define the identity and uniqueness of ourselves and others?

Coming at it from another angle - does it have anything to do with choices we make regarding the image we wish to project to society?
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The sociologist is interested in HOW they choose names for the children? yes

Is he comparing today's parents to parents from older times?{irrel}

Is he interested in who parents ask for advice? possibly Like relatives/friends? dottoThe internet? dittoIf they seek professional advice? How much it costs? Does anyone seek & pay for professional advice about nanme choice?

Does it regard how "trendy" certain names are? possibly, but this doesn't explain why he's studying name choices rather than other choices (ex. my parents picked my name because they thought it was rare)

Does it regard parents who name their children after their dead loved ones?no more than other parents

How about the fact that there are now exponentially more name choices than any culture once had? irrel
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Does it relate to linguistics? Semantics? When choosing a name, the choice is a word. Is this relevant? no

Also, a name is abstract and intangible. Is the sociologist interested in how we think about abstract concepts and make choices when they are intangible? noAnything like this? no
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One more thought -- the process of picking names involves choosing from a list of candidates. A large list is whittled down to a short list from which the final choice emerges. Is this relevant? no
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Okay, one MORE thought -- the association of a name with a person is part of what defines identity. Is the sociologist interested in how we make choices that define the identity and uniqueness of ourselves and others?possibly, but this doesn't explain why he's studying name choices rather than other choices

Coming at it from another angle - does it have anything to do with choices we make regarding the image we wish to project to society?ditto
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are any of these factors in making a choice relevant to the puzzle:

the time it takes? who is making it? how many people are making it? where it is made? how many steps are taken in making it? the risks of making the 'wrong' choice? the benefits of making a right choice? the cost of making the choice? the number of other factors taken into account? whether other opinions are sought? legal issues around making the choice? ethicial issues? how much the chooser cares about the choice? how much other people case? the fact that the choice has to be made? the range of options? whether or not the choice can be changed later? whether there are several acceptable options? whether there are unacceptable options? how much the choice is constrained by social norms? the personality of the chooser? the wealth of the chooser? the intelligence of the chooser? the social status of the chooser? whther a random method of choosing is employed (eg tossing a coin)?
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are any of these factors in making a choice relevant to the puzzle:

the time it takes? no who is making it? no how many people are making it? nowhere it is made? nohow many steps are taken in making it? no the risks of making the 'wrong' choice? nothe benefits of making a right choice? no the cost of making the choice? yesish the number of other factors taken into account? yope whether other opinions are sought? nolegal issues around making the choice? noethicial issues? no how much the chooser cares about the choice? how much other people case? the fact that the choice has to be made? the range of options? no whether or not the choice can be changed later? whether there are several acceptable options? nowhether there are unacceptable options? no how much the choice is constrained by social norms? no the personality of the chooser? no the wealth of the chooser? yesthe intelligence of the chooser? nothe social status of the chooser? nowhther a random method of choosing is employed (eg tossing a coin)? noish
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is the relevant aspect of the name choice that it is usually cost neutral? ie there is usually no monetary gain or loss that goes alongside the choice? whereas many other choices in life include some sort of cost calculation?

does he use name choices because they are made by everyone, regardless of wealth? so it's a way of studying 'choosing' that can be applied to the whole population?
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is the relevant aspect of the name choice that it is usually cost neutral?yesish. You're very ORT ie there is usually no monetary gain or loss that goes alongside the choice? yes whereas many other choices in life include some sort of cost calculation? you're very ORT

does he use name choices because they are made by everyone, regardless of wealth? no but you're very ORTso it's a way of studying 'choosing' that can be applied to the whole population? no. Anyway, they're not made by childless people,. or at least not by childless. petless people who don't write fiction)
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Random thought popped in my head: Did he try to bribe his subjects into naming their kid a certain way? I seem to remember somebody being legally named after a particular product or brand for advertising purposes.
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Random thought popped in my head: Did he try to bribe his subjects into naming their kid a certain way? no I seem to remember somebody being legally named after a particular product or brand for advertising purposes. HINT: It is relevant that this would be REALLY UNUSUAL, PROBABLY EXTRAORDINARY
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is the relevance of name choices that they are made for reasons other than personal gain? that there is usually no financial or other inducement to choose a particular name? so that name choices are somehow 'uncontaminated' by commercial interest? that they are more 'free' than many other types of choices?
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is the relevance of name choices that they are made for reasons other than personal gain? yes that there is usually no financial or other inducement to choose a particular name? yes so that name choices are somehow 'uncontaminated' by commercial interest? yes that they are more 'free' than many other types of choices? see previous answers

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