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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When the doctor learned of Lundy's bad health habit, her figured that Lundy's illness had a good prognosis, but NOT because Lundy could get well by mending her wicked ways. How come?
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It's a trick question: Unhealthy behavior is not immoral, so "her wicked ways" refers to something other than Lundy's bad health habit - Lundy can cease her unhealthy habit and get well.
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It's a trick question: Unhealthy behavior is not immoral, so "her wicked ways" refers to something other than Lundy's bad health habit - Lundy can cease her unhealthy habit and get well. I couldn't agree more that unhealthy behavior is not immoral, but the term "wicked ways" was sarcastic. If you want a literal reading, change the phrase in the puzzle statement to "unhealthy ways."
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Does the unhealthy habit include: smoking? drinking? using "recreational drugs"? eating too much? eating not enough? eating the wrong things?
getting not enough sleep?
Is it indeed unhealthy? or just believed by many to be so? (like eating chocolate cake)
Does Lundy's illness affect the inner parts of her body? the extremities? the skin?
Is the reason for the illness: an infection? an accident? a congenital defect?
Is it anything along the lines that marijuana suggest as a cure for some motoric diseases, like epilepsy?
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Does the unhealthy habit include: smoking? drinking? using "recreational drugs"? eating too much? eating not enough? eating the wrong things?
getting not enough sleep?none of the foregoing
Is it indeed unhealthy? yesor just believed by many to be so? (like eating chocolate cake) well, eating chocolate cake is unhealthy unless you do it in such moderation that you miss out on a lot of the fun
Does Lundy's illness affect the inner parts of her body? yesthe extremities? no the skin? no
Is the reason for the illness: an infection? an accident? a congenital defect? none of the foregoing
Is it anything along the lines that marijuana suggest as a cure for some motoric diseases, like epilepsy? no
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Is her habit something relatively benign? Like writing information down on her hand... and the markings almost lead to a bad diagnosis? Or like in "Doc Hollywood" the kid who had spilled paint on himself and Michael J Fox almost operated on him (rather than "give him a coke" and wipe off the paint)?
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Is her habit something relatively benign? no Like writing information down on her hand... and the markings almost lead to a bad diagnosis? no Or like in "Doc Hollywood" the kid who had spilled paint on himself and Michael J Fox almost operated on him (rather than "give him a coke" and wipe off the paint)? no
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the bad health habit: smoking? drinking a lot of alcohol? eating too much? eating sugar? eating high fat foods? eating too much salt? taking little exercise? not taking the stairs? not taking her medication? not getting vaccinated? not practising safe sex?

her illness: cancer? if so, relevant of what? heart disease? lung disease? bowel disease? kidney disease?

did he think that her unhealthy habit would stop her doing something else that would have exacerbated her disease? or would it make her do something else that would help her disease? such as perhaps her need to walk to the shops to buy cigarettes at least means she would get exercise that might help her heart disease? (although I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work!) would the unhealthy habit actually somehow mitigate the effect of the disease? would it make her seek medical attention earlier?
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the bad health habit: smoking? drinking a lot of alcohol? eating too much? eating sugar? eating high fat foods? eating too much salt? taking little exercise? not taking the stairs? not taking her medication? not getting vaccinated? not practising safe sex? none of the foregoing!

her illness: cancer? yes if so, relevant of what?the sort of case I've heard about involves breast cancer but it would probably work for some of other cancers as well heart disease? lung disease? bowel disease? kidney disease?

did he think that her unhealthy habit would stop her doing something else that would have exacerbated her disease?no or would it make her do something else that would help her disease? no such as perhaps her need to walk to the shops to buy cigarettes at least means she would get exercise that might help her heart disease? no(although I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work!) would the unhealthy habit actually somehow mitigate the effect of the disease? no would it make her seek medical attention earlier? no
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her unhealthy habit..
taking illegal drugs? undertaking dangerous sports? not cleaning her teeth? not attending for medical check ups? jaywalking? not wearing a seatbelt? not eating fruit and veg? being overweight?

eating at all relevant?

did he think the habit would make the treatment more effective? would make her more likely to accept the treatment? would actually change the treatment needed?
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her unhealthy habit..
taking illegal drugs? no undertaking dangerous sports? no not cleaning her teeth? no not attending for medical check ups? yesishjaywalking? no not wearing a seatbelt? no not eating fruit and veg? no being overweight? no

eating at all relevant? no

did he think the habit would make the treatment more effective? no would make her more likely to accept the treatment? nowould actually change the treatment needed? no
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Did the doc think that her illness could be completely cured?
Did he think that she would not need any treatment at all?
Did he establish the cause of the illness?
Did he think the illness could be a side effect of some other treatment she is undergoing?
Other doctors, diseases, treatments relevant at all?
Is Lundy's job relevant?
Is she pregnant?
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Did the doc think that her illness could be completely cured? probably but not necessarily
Did he think that she would not need any treatment at all? no
Did he establish the cause of the illness? no
Did he think the illness could be a side effect of some other treatment she is undergoing? no
Other doctors, diseases, treatments relevant at all?no
Is Lundy's job relevant? no
Is she pregnant? no
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is her bad health habit not seeking medical advice? not attending for screening? not attending for treatment? did it delay the diagnosis?
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is her bad health habit not seeking medical advice? yesnot attending for screening? yes not attending for treatment? see previous answers did it delay the diagnosis? yes
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Is her bad habit avoiding screenings specifically for breast cancer? Not getting regular mammograms? Not doing regular self-exams?

Is it relevant how she came to be diagnosed, if she avoided screenings? Did she see the doctor for something else, at which point he noticed the breast cancer?

Is it something like this: Her tumor was so large that, assuming it was growing at the normal rate, it would have been picked up a long time ago on a routine mammogram/self exam, so the doctor was worried that it was a particularly aggressive or fast-growing type of tumor. But then he learned that she hadn't been doing the regular exams, and he realized that it was probably just an ordinary (or perhaps benign?) tumor that really had been there for a long time, but it was still at a stage where it could be easily treated with surgery.
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Is her bad habit avoiding screenings specifically for breast cancer? yope Not getting regular mammograms? yope Not doing regular self-exams? no

Is it relevant how she came to be diagnosed, if she avoided screenings? yesDid she see the doctor for something else, at which point he noticed the breast cancer?no

Is it something like this: Her tumor was so large that, assuming it was growing at the normal rate, it would have been picked up a long time ago on a routine mammogram/self exam, so the doctor was worried that it was a particularly aggressive or fast-growing type of tumor. But then he learned that she hadn't been doing the regular exams, and he realized that it was probably just an ordinary (or perhaps benign?) tumor that really had been there for a long time, but it was still at a stage where it could be easily treated with surgery. That's basically it

****** SPOILER *************
Lundy noticed a limp in her breast but did not want to risk hearing bad news, so she just ignored it, hoping it would go away. It didn't, & after several years she felt that it was enlarging slowly. At that point she was scared enough to seek medical advice. The doctor was worried upon feeling a large lump--until he learned Lundy's history.Obviously, a lump that has been around for several years without causing obvious symptoms is not a very aggressive cancer. This example comes from a book on breast cancer, & you know where my new puzzle is.
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Great puzzle! I followed it without being able to think of anything intelligent to ask. =) Whenever someone mentions that I have a mole that looks too big, I tell them that it's been like that for years, so it can't be too dangerous.

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