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Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
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Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 6:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If she had opened the window, they would have been fine.

This is a true story that took place in the USA in the last 20 years. It could have happened in any state.
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Did they die? Get injured? Lose out financially? Lose out personally?
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Window = an object made of transparent material? a frame with no material within it? whose general purpose is to be looked through? Window of a car? a building? Window on a computer GUI (that box that the open program is visible in)? Windows the operating system? Window as in a period of time during which something can or cannot happen?

Does she know some member(s) of the group "they"? all members of "they"? Is she a member of "they"? She = HAF? They = HA? Gender of "they" relevant?

Could it have happened before 20 years ago? before 50 years ago? 100 years ago? Could it have happened outside the USA?

"They would have been fine" -- Did something negative happen to "they"? because she did not open the window? Had she opened the window, would something positive have happened to them? something neutral? nothing at all?

Does it have to be one specific window? or could it have been any window in the relevant location? Were she and they in the same location? Was she in the same location as the window? Were they?
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Is some kind of poisoning relevant? A sound from outside the building/vehicle/structure with the window? A sound from inside? The possibility to leave a room/structure through an open window? To enter it?

Is the window the window of a house? Another building? A car? Another vehicle?

If she had opened the window, would she have opened it from the inside? From the outside?

Is she H/A/F? Does "they" include "she"? Are they H/A/F? Are they inside the structure with the window?

Could this have happened outside the USA? Outside North America? In any country?

Did she forget to open the window? Intentionally leave it closed? Have no cognizable reason to open it?

Did someone else open the window? Some animal? Some mechanism? Some natural force?
Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
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Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Martinfg
Did they die? No Get injured? Yes Lose out financially? No Lose out personally? To the extent that they were injured


Kalira
Window = an object made of transparent material? Yes a frame with no material within it? No whose general purpose is to be looked through? Yes Window of a car? Yes a building? No Window on a computer GUI (that box that the open program is visible in)? No Windows the operating system? No Window as in a period of time during which something can or cannot happen? No

Does she know some member(s) of the group "they"? Yes all members of "they"? Yes Is she a member of "they"? Yes She = HAF? Yes They = HA? Yes Gender of "they" relevant? Kind of

Could it have happened before 20 years ago? Yes before 50 years ago? Yes 100 years ago? No Could it have happened outside the USA? Yes

"They would have been fine" -- Did something negative happen to "they"? Yes because she did not open the window? Yes Had she opened the window, would something positive have happened to them? No something neutral? Yes nothing at all? Yes -- opening the window would have resulted in the avoidance of injury, nothing more

Does it have to be one specific window? Yes or could it have been any window in the relevant location? No Were she and they in the same location? Yes Was she in the same location as the window? Yes Were they? Yes

Markobr
Is some kind of poisoning relevant? No A sound from outside the building/vehicle/structure with the window? No A sound from inside? Yes The possibility to leave a room/structure through an open window? Not sure what you are asking - it would have been possible to leave through the window if it was open, yes To enter it? Same thing, it would have been possible to enter through the window if open

Is the window the window of a house? No Another building? No A car? Yes Another vehicle? No

If she had opened the window, would she have opened it from the inside? Yes From the outside? No

Is she H/A/F? Yes Does "they" include "she"? Yes Are they H/A/F? No Are they inside the structure with the window? Yes

Could this have happened outside the USA? Yes Outside North America? Yes In any country? Yes

Did she forget to open the window? Yes Intentionally leave it closed? No Have no cognizable reason to open it? No

Did someone else open the window? No Some animal? No Some mechanism? No Some natural force? No
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Which window- right front? Left front? Right back? Left back?

Would the avoidance of injury have resulted from the introduction of outside air? The dispersal of something inside the car? The possibility of a person escaping through the open window? The possibility of something (other than air) entering through the open window? The possibility of something (other than air) leaving the car through the open window? Is a crash relevant? Was the car stationary when the injury occurred? Was the car ever moving during the story? Weather relevant?
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was the car stuck in water? was there a wreck involved? are "they" all inside of the car? is there 2 people? 3? 4? 5? 6? more? was this a small car? large car? truck? van? suv? bus? any other cars involved? was the window broken, not opened, and the people were injured escaping from the broken window?
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Ohlala8
Which window- right front? right front Left front? Right back? Left back?

Would the avoidance of injury have resulted from the introduction of outside air? No The dispersal of something inside the car? Yesish The possibility of a person escaping through the open window? No The possibility of something (other than air) entering through the open window? No The possibility of something (other than air) leaving the car through the open window? Yes Is a crash relevant? No Was the car stationary when the injury occurred? No Was the car ever moving during the story? Yes Weather relevant? No

Sugarshane
was the car stuck in water? No was there a wreck involved? No are "they" all inside of the car? Yes is there 2 people? 2, Yes 3? 4? 5? 6? more? No was this a small car? Irr large car? Irr truck? No van? No suv? could have been, the story did not specify -- assume an ordinary passenger car bus? No any other cars involved? No was the window broken, not opened, and the people were injured escaping from the broken window? No
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I'm assuming the substance inside the car was a fluid (as it needed to be dispersed)?
Was it poisonous? Flammable? Volatile to heat or pressure?
Did this substance cause their injuries directly? Or cause something else (like blind them temporarily) which caused them injuries?

Type of injury relevant? If yes, was it
simply cuts?
Deep wounds?
Internal organ injury?
Fracture?
Complete body part separation?
Injury without puncturing of skin (eg. concussion)?

Right front window = driver's window (as seen from outside the car, standing in front of the car)?
Or front passenger's window (when you're looking from the backseat)?
I'm assuming left hand drive here. That all right?

Will only opening THAT specific window save them? Or will any window do, but the time taken to 'diffuse' will be longer?

Is the 2nd person (apart from the driver) sitting in the front seat? Back seat? Relevant?

Is she the driver? Is the 2nd person the driver?
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I'm assuming the substance inside the car was a fluid (as it needed to be dispersed)? No - that's why I answered yesish for that question. I was considering answering "yes for svv of dispersed"
Was it poisonous? No Flammable? Yesish Volatile to heat or pressure? No
Did this substance cause their injuries directly? Yesish Or cause something else (like blind them temporarily) which caused them injuries? No

Type of injury relevant? Yes If yes, was it
simply cuts? Yes
Deep wounds? Yes
Internal organ injury? Yes
Fracture? Yes
Complete body part separation? Yes
Injury without puncturing of skin (eg. concussion)? Yes

Right front window = driver's window (as seen from outside the car, standing in front of the car)? No
Or front passenger's window (when you're looking from the backseat)? Yes, this one
I'm assuming left hand drive here. That all right? Yes

Will only opening THAT specific window save them? That would be the strong preference Or will any window do, but the time taken to 'diffuse' will be longer? Any window could work, but the chances of harm would increase. The word "diffuse" literally interpreted is a FA

Is the 2nd person (apart from the driver) sitting in the front seat? Yes Back seat? No Relevant? Yes

Is she the driver? No Is the 2nd person the driver? Yes
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Alright, the driver is HAM? Is his relationship to her relevant? If she had been driving, would this still have happened? If she had been alone in the car? If he had been alone in the car?

Were all those injuries caused by whatever was in the car that would have left through the open window? Was this a single object? solid? liquid? gas? Was she holding it? Was it on her? Did it directly cause the injuries? Or cause some kind of explosion, fire, etc.? Or did it set off a chain of events that caused the injuries? Did all the injuries have the same cause?
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Alright, the driver is HAM? Yes Is his relationship to her relevant? Not really -- they are a couple, but that does not really matter If she had been driving, would this still have happened? Could have, but probably not -- hard to answer as I do not want to mislead If she had been alone in the car? No If he had been alone in the car? No

Were all those injuries caused by whatever was in the car that would have left through the open window? Yes Was this a single object? Yes solid? Yes liquid? No gas? No Was she holding it? Maybe Was it on her? Maybe Did it directly cause the injuries? Yes Or cause some kind of explosion, fire, etc.? Yes, explosion Or did it set off a chain of events that caused the injuries? No Did all the injuries have the same cause? Yes
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Is the object an explosive? OR did certain conditions cause it to become explosive? It this object found in most cars? Did pressure cause it to explode? Sound cause it to explode?
Did they have their radio on loudly because one or both of them was deaf?
Could you buy this object at a grocery store?
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Is the object an explosive? Yes OR did certain conditions cause it to become explosive? No It this object found in most cars? No Did pressure cause it to explode? Technically yes, as explosives explode due to internal pressure -- but no, the explosion was not initiated by external pressure Sound cause it to explode? No
Did they have their radio on loudly because one or both of them was deaf? No
Could you buy this object at a grocery store? No
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BONEHEAD ALERT - WRONG ANSWER

Indianforce had asked if "the substance was ... volatile to heat or pressure?" I answered no, but I should have answered yesish to heat. The "ish" is due to its being an object rather than a substance. Sorry for the bum steer!
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If the window had been open would she have thrown it out? Thereby not being injured. And that is why the right front window works better than any other?
Their possession of an explosives leads me to believe they aren't just ordinary people. Correct?
Did their work require them to blow stuff up?
Was it usual for them to carry explosives?
Was the bomb activated by accident? or by one of them?
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If the window had been open would she have thrown it out? Yes Thereby not being injured. Correct And that is why the right front window works better than any other? Exactly
Their possession of an explosives leads me to believe they aren't just ordinary people. Correct? Only in that ordinary people don't typically have explosives. Beyond that, they were ordinary
Did their work require them to blow stuff up? No
Was it usual for them to carry explosives? Not sure -- it was not specified why they happened to have the explosives
Was the bomb activated by accident? No or by one of them? Yes
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So the woman activated the bomb? The man? Intentionally?
Is the reason it was activated relevant?
Did they want to blow something up? Scare someone?
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So the woman activated the bomb? Yes The man? No Intentionally? Yes
Is the reason it was activated relevant? Somewhat
Did they want to blow something up? Other than the explosives, no Scare someone? No

By the way, it is a FA that the type of explosive is a bomb
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So its a fire cracker?
She lights the fire cracker, but forgot to open the window causing them to be seriously injured.
Is there anything els we still need to uncover about the puzzle?
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So was it a fire cracker?
She lights the cracker, then realizes that she hadn't opened the window. he fire cracker exp;odes causing severe injury.
Is there any other piece of the puzzle we need to discover?
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So was it a fire cracker? With a capital F
She lights the cracker Yes then realizes that she hadn't opened the window That's the missing lateral element the fire cracker exp;odes causing severe injury. That's it
Is there any other piece of the puzzle we need to discover? The only thing left would be to understand how a "firecracker" could do so much damage, but you have solved the main puzzle


*********** SPOILER *****************

From Associated Press

Paul Stiller, 47, was hospitalized in Andover Township, N.J., in September, and his wife, Bonnie, was also injured, by a quarter-stick of dynamite that blew up in their car. While driving around at 2 a.m., the bored couple lit the dynamite and tried to toss it out the window to see what would happen, but they apparently failed to notice the window was closed.

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One last note -- The title Dumb & Deaf means that first they were pretty dumb in failing to remember to roll down the window, leading to an acute case of deafness when the dynamite blew --

I had considered the following puzzle statements:

When the doctor asked them what happened, they replied, "WHAT??"

- or -

"What happened?" "WHAT??" "WHAT HAPPENED??" "WHAT??"

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