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Peter365 (Peter365)
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A friend of mine has a theory and a little part of me believes that it could be true. He calls it the "Cold Ball Theory"

Can you guess what it is?


p.s. there is nothing rude about this puzzle
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Is it to do with sports?
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Is it to do with sports? yes
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Team sports? Individual sports?
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Team sports? Individual sports? could be either actually although the sport that helped my friend formulate his theory was a team sport
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Are the charachteristics of the ball changed in cold weather? e.g. a golf ball tends to fly further when warm.
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Are the charachteristics of the ball changed in cold weather? e.g. a golf ball tends to fly further when warm.no nothing like this
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Are balls involved in the sport?
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Does the general type of ball matter? For example, does the theory apply to inflatable balls (e.g. basketball, soccer ball)? To non-inflatable balls (e.g. softball, golf ball)? Some other kind of ball?
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Does the "cold" in the name refer to...

...temperature?

...an increased likelihood of failure, as in "cold streak", "that player is cold today", etc? Are cold or hot streaks relevant at all?

...a lack of empathy or emotion, as in "coldly calculated", "he treated me coldly", etc?

Does the "ball" in the name refer to the ball used in the game?

Would the theory work with any sport that is played with a ball? Or only for certain sports? Would it work with (American) football? Basketball? Soccer? Baseball?

Does the theory suggest that characteristics of the ball can affect players' performance?
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Are balls involved in the sport? this theory could work for many sports some of which use a ball and some that don't

Does the general type of ball matter? yes For example, does the theory apply to inflatable balls (e.g. basketball, soccer ball)? To non-inflatable balls (e.g. softball, golf ball)? Some other kind of ball? this one

Does the "cold" in the name refer to...

...temperature? yes

...an increased likelihood of failure, as in "cold streak", "that player is cold today", etc? Are cold or hot streaks relevant at all? no to all

...a lack of empathy or emotion, as in "coldly calculated", "he treated me coldly", etc? no

Does the "ball" in the name refer to the ball used in the game? NO . Glad you asked that because there was a bit of an FA lurking. The ball in the theory is not the ball used to play the game

Would the theory work with any sport that is played with a ball? a certain circumstance has to occur for the theory to work Or only for certain sports? there are some sports where the theory definately does not apply Would it work with (American) football? Basketball? Soccer? Baseball? well definately for soccer but i'm not sure if the circumstance arises in the other sports you named. It may do but not positive

Does the theory suggest that characteristics of the ball can affect players' performance? No
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Can you kick the ball? throw it? hit it? attend it?
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Can you kick the ball? well you can pretty much kick anything but for the sake of this puzzle i'll say no throw it? no hit it? no attend it? no but nice thinking

while all of the above are possible to do to this ball except attend it none of the actions are used with regard to the balls primary function
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Medicine ball (the heavy ones people use for training)? Disco ball? Those little balls that make chiming noises? Beach balls that the spectators sometimes hit around in the stands? A snowball? The earth in wintertime?

Is the ball(s) actually present during sporting events, or is it(they) elsewhere?

Is the ball a metaphor or ilustation? For example, is there some physics principle that can be applied to cold balls that also applies to something that happens in certain sports?

To whom does it directly matter if the ball is cold? Players? Managers? Spectators? Coaches? Other?

To whom does it matter indirectly? (same choices as above)
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This doesn't refer to a body part, does it? Like... the balls of one's feet? :D

Is it smaller than a ping-pong ball? Roughly ping-pong ball sized? About the size of a wall ball? baseball? softball? volleyball? basketball?beach ball? one of those exercise balls that you sit on? the boulder that chases Indiana Jones at the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark? bigger?

Is it pretty much spherical? roundish with irregularities? oblong? Is it rubber? leather? plastic? wood? organic material? glass? ceramic? paper? cardboard? Does it bounce? When it is performing its primary function does it bounce? Is its primary function a primary part of something the players do during the game itself (like throw-ins or headers in soccer)? Something the players do off the field (eat oranges, plan strategy, make substitutions)? Something the official does (blow a whistle, give a card)? Something the fans do (the wave, booing the ref)? Something that happens to the area of play (lights going on for a night game)?
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Medicine ball (the heavy ones people use for training)? Disco ball? Those little balls that make chiming noises? Beach balls that the spectators sometimes hit around in the stands? A snowball? The earth in wintertime? none of these but a pretty impressive list of balls there :o)

Is the ball(s) actually present during sporting events, or is it(they) elsewhere? it's elsewhere

Is the ball a metaphor or ilustation? For example, is there some physics principle that can be applied to cold balls that also applies to something that happens in certain sports? no to these

To whom does it directly matter if the ball is cold? Players? Managers? Spectators? Coaches? Other? all of these and more

To whom does it matter indirectly? (same choices as above)
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This doesn't refer to a body part, does it? Like... the balls of one's feet? :D No and i'm glad you clarified the feet bit

Is it smaller than a ping-pong ball? about this size maybe slightly bigger. In fact they vary in size but wouldn't be as big as a baseball for example Roughly ping-pong ball sized? About the size of a wall ball? baseball? softball? volleyball? basketball?beach ball? one of those exercise balls that you sit on? the boulder that chases Indiana Jones at the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark? bigger? no to the rest. Another impressive load of balls:o)

Is it pretty much spherical? yes roundish with irregularities? oblong? Is it rubber? leather? plastic? usually this. wood? could be this i guess organic material? glass? and occasionally this too ceramic? paper? cardboard? Does it bounce? no When it is performing its primary function does it bounce? so no Is its primary function a primary part of something the players do during the game itself (like throw-ins or headers in soccer)? no Something the players do off the field (eat oranges, plan strategy, make substitutions)? and not htis either Something the official does (blow a whistle, give a card)? Something the fans do (the wave, booing the ref)? Something that happens to the area of play (lights going on for a night game)? none of these
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Ok, so the ball(s) is not present at the sporting events. Where is it/are they? Immediately outside? Within 100 yds? Within a mile? Within the same town? Within the same state? Within the same country? Within the same continent? On the same planet?

Sports are relevant, but are sports the only situation where this cold ball(s) is relevant?

Is it a model(s) of something?

And because I'm tired of writing weird awkward phrases that are ambiguously singular/plural: at the time of any one specific event when a cold ball is relevant, is it one ball, or multiple?
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Is a cup draw relevant?
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Ok, so the ball(s) is not present at the sporting events. Where is it/are they? Immediately outside? Within 100 yds? Within a mile? Within the same town? Within the same state? Within the same country? this...see answer to Martin's question below Within the same continent? On the same planet?

Sports are relevant, but are sports the only situation where this cold ball(s) is relevant? I'm sure the theory could have applications in other fields but i just can't think of any offhand

Is it a model(s) of something? it could be but not necessarily

And because I'm tired of writing weird awkward phrases that are ambiguously singular/plural: at the time of any one specific event when a cold ball is relevant, is it one ball, or multiple? it's more than one anyway
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Is a cup draw relevant? YES - Excellent job
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I will step back now as I have heard this theory before.
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I will step back now as I have heard this theory before. good to see there are others who have this theory. Btw feel free to spoil this as it was never intended to be a long drawn out puzzle
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Does it have to do with cheating on a cup draw by chilling one (or more) of the balls beforehand so it can be identified at draw time? Is the theory that this is done routinely, as is evidenced by perceived anomalies in the results of the cup draw?

Who would be drawing the balls? players? fans? coaches? referees? league officials?

What is the cup draw used for...

...to choose which team goes on offense first?
...to choose which order teams can select players for the draft?
...to get a prize? (It seems like lotteries would be another application of the theory...)
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Does it have to do with cheating on a cup draw by chilling one (or more) of the balls beforehand so it can be identified at draw time? Is the theory that this is done routinely, as is evidenced by perceived anomalies in the results of the cup draw? that'll do nicely

Who would be drawing the balls? players? fans? coaches? referees? league officials?

What is the cup draw used for...

...to choose which team goes on offense first?
...to choose which order teams can select players for the draft?
...to get a prize? (It seems like lotteries would be another application of the theory...)

**************Spoiler**************

My friends theory is that certain cup draws are rigged to ensure at least one marquee match between two top teams in each round. When people challenge him by saying that as the teams' balls are picked out of a hat live on tv there is no way to fix the draw. He simply responds by saying that you only have to put two of the balls you want drawn together into a freezer for an hour before the draw and instruct the person doing the draw to pull out the balls that are cold to the touch. It would certainly be an easy way to rig a draw wouldn't you agree. Thanks for playing

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