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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1206 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 1:47 am: |      |
A true story from World War II: After dropping their bombs on Italians in North Africa, British bombers continued to fly over their target for several hours. They did this even though they were out of bombs and could be shot down by the enemy. Why? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 776 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 8:20 am: |      |
Was it to keep the enemy pinned down? |
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu
Post Number: 776 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 7:36 pm: |      |
Reconnaissance? |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 58 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 7:55 pm: |      |
Did the Italians know the British were out of bombs? Was there something preventing the British from landing? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1208 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:45 am: |      |
Was it to keep the enemy pinned down? Reconnaissance? Did the Italians know the British were out of bombs? Was there something preventing the British from landing? No to all. |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1209 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:54 am: |      |
Was it to keep the enemy pinned down? Reconnaissance? Did the Italians know the British were out of bombs? Was there something preventing the British from landing? No to all. |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 779 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 8:20 am: |      |
Could the bombers have left if they wanted to? |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 61 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:38 pm: |      |
The Italians did not know that the British were out of bombs. Did the British know that the Italians did not know the British were out of bombs? Were the British using this knowledge to their advantage? |
Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365
Post Number: 2002 Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:49 pm: |      |
Anything to do with estimating the amount of damage their bombs had caused? Or simply confirming that targets had been hit? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1210 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 9:54 pm: |      |
Could the bombers have left if they wanted to? Yes. The Italians did not know that the British were out of bombs. Did the British know that the Italians did not know the British were out of bombs? Were the British using this knowledge to their advantage? Anything to do with estimating the amount of damage their bombs had caused? Or simply confirming that targets had been hit? No to the rest. |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 2:28 pm: |      |
Were they continuing to fly over their target so that they wouldn't have to go fight at another location? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1212 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 6:44 pm: |      |
Were they continuing to fly over their target so that they wouldn't have to go fight at another location? No. |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 8:35 pm: |      |
Was the reason they continued to fly over their target to be able to do something? Or to avoid doing something? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1214 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 10:27 pm: |      |
Was the reason they continued to fly over their target to be able to do something? This. Or to avoid doing something? |
Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz
Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 11:04 am: |      |
Do you always have to be in an airplane to do what they were doing? Or another aircraft? Has what they were doing ever been done outside of wartime? Often been done? Did the entire crew want to do what they were doing? Did the entire crew participate in "the action"? Were they doing something fun? Were they waiting for someone? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1215 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 4:55 pm: |      |
Do you always have to be in an airplane to do what they were doing? Not necessarily, but it helps. Or another aircraft? Some other aircraft would work, but not all. Has what they were doing ever been done outside of wartime? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. Often been done? I doubt it. Did the entire crew want to do what they were doing? b{Irrelevant.} Did the entire crew participate in "the action"? Not everyone was needed. Were they doing something fun? No. Were they waiting for someone? Yes. |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1216 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 4:55 pm: |      |
Do you always have to be in an airplane to do what they were doing? Not necessarily, but it helps. Or another aircraft? Some other aircraft would work, but not all. Has what they were doing ever been done outside of wartime? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. Often been done? I doubt it. Did the entire crew want to do what they were doing? Irrelevant. Did the entire crew participate in "the action"? Not everyone was needed. Were they doing something fun? No. Were they waiting for someone? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 448 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 11:52 am: |      |
Do you have to be airborne to do what they were doing? Were they waiting for other planes/aircraft? Were they waiting for an ally/enemy? Did they need to burn the fuel before landing? |
Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz
Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 3:32 pm: |      |
Was it more dangerous to leave than to stay? Was the reason they stayed because of something that was going on inside the plane? Was the reason they stayed because of something that was going on outside of the plane? Would the "average man" have made the decision to stay under the same circumstances? Were they firing their guns at something? Were they dropping something else? Propaganda? Did all of their equipment work? Was their plane damaged? |
Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz
Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 3:35 pm: |      |
Were they waiting for new orders? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1217 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 3:49 pm: |      |
Do you have to be airborne to do what they were doing? Yes. Were they waiting for other planes/aircraft? No. Were they waiting for an ally/enemy? Yes. Did they need to burn the fuel before landing? No. Was it more dangerous to leave than to stay? Yope. Was the reason they stayed because of something that was going on inside the plane? No. Was the reason they stayed because of something that was going on outside of the plane? Yes. Would the "average man" have made the decision to stay under the same circumstances? Yes. Were they firing their guns at something? No. Were they dropping something else? No. Propaganda? No. Did all of their equipment work? Yes. Was their plane damaged? No. Were they waiting for new orders? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 449 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 8:19 pm: |      |
Were they waiting for an ally? An enemy? Whoever they were waiting for was to approach by air? By land? By the sea? The activity which was going on outside of the plane: Was it on the ground? In the air? On the sea? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1218 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 8:30 pm: |      |
Were they waiting for an ally? This. An enemy? Whoever they were waiting for was to approach by air? By land? This. By the sea? The activity which was going on outside of the plane: Was it on the ground? This. In the air? On the sea? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 450 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 8:35 pm: |      |
Were they waiting for ally troops to arrive? If so, to protect them? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1219 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:26 am: |      |
Were they waiting for ally troops to arrive? Yes. If so, to protect them? No. |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 84 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:32 am: |      |
Were they waiting for their allies to bring them new supplies? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 454 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:35 am: |      |
Were they waiting to provide them (ie the allies) with some information? Was it daylight? Relevant? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1220 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:45 am: |      |
Were they waiting for their allies to bring them new supplies? No. Were they waiting to provide them (ie the allies) with some information? No. Was it daylight? No. Relevant? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 456 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:20 am: |      |
Did they provide light to the ally troops? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1221 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:31 am: |      |
Did they provide light to the ally troops? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 458 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:32 am: |      |
Was whatever they intended rather psychological than physical? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1223 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:34 am: |      |
Was whatever they intended rather psychological than physical? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 460 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:37 am: |      |
Were they trying to impress the enemy? If so, by showing off they were many? Was there some trick involved? Religion relevant? Superstitions? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1224 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 4:41 am: |      |
Were they trying to impress the enemy? No. If so, by showing off they were many? No. Was there some trick involved? You could say that, yes. Religion relevant? Superstitions? No to both. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 461 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:25 am: |      |
Let us see... did they want the enemy to assume something? When hovering above the area... were they just flying, or was there another activity involved? Light relevant? Sound relevant? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 781 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 8:25 am: |      |
Is the sound of the aircraft relevant? or the lights? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1225 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:11 pm: |      |
Let us see... did they want the enemy to assume something? Yes. When hovering above the area... were they just flying, or was there another activity involved? No. Light relevant? Yes. Sound relevant? Yes. Is the sound of the aircraft relevant? Yes. or the lights? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 462 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:21 pm: |      |
Was the sound meant to deter the enemy? To indicate the position of the aircraft? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 784 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 1:18 pm: |      |
was the sound of the aircraft used to cover the noise the advancing troops were making? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1226 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 3:05 pm: |      |
Was the sound meant to deter the enemy? To indicate the position of the aircraft? No to both. was the sound of the aircraft used to cover the noise the advancing troops were making? Correct. ************** Spoiler ************** This happened just before a surprise attack at dawn. To keep the Italians from hearing the British tanks that were sneaking up on them in the dark, aircraft were used to drown out the sound of the tank engines. |
Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz
Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 3:44 pm: |      |
Nice one |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 464 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 3:53 pm: |      |
Thanks for this puzzle! |