| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4656 Registered: 8-2001 |
As long-term forum members know, a passive scrund is a scrund you never really thought about & that you discover you had when you are surprised to learn that something you have taken for granted is false. I recently discovered that I had a passive scrund about health. I bet that many of you have it, too. What is it? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is gender relevant? If so, does it pertain to M? F? Is the scrund about a lifestyle choice? If yes, something that is healthy? Something that is unhealthy? Something you thought was healthy but isn't? Something you thought was unhealthy but isn't? Is it about health research? Health food? Dieting? Genetics? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4658 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is gender relevant? no If so, does it pertain to M? F? Is the scrund about a lifestyle choice? noIf yes, something that is healthy? Something that is unhealthy? Something you thought was healthy but isn't? Something you thought was unhealthy but isn't? Is it about health research? no Health food? no Dieting? noGenetics? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it about your personal health? (e.g. how in shape you are, how likely you are to get a certain disease, how well you eat, etc.) Or health in general? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4662 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 9:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it about your personal health? (e.g. how in shape you are, how likely you are to get a certain disease, how well you eat, etc.) It's not specifically about MY personal health Or health in general? yesish | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 414 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the scrund pertain to a specific medical condition? a specific demographic group? Is it about which people are healthy or unhealthy in a particular way? advice on maintaining health? consumer products that are marketed as being healthy? the practice of medicine? ***BTW, I was actually listening to a program on National Public Radio today about the connection between exercise and health, and several people asked questions on the show that revealed scrunds about the benefits of exercise*** | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4672 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 414 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 6:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the scrund pertain to a specific medical condition? no a specific demographic group? yes Is it about which people are healthy or unhealthy in a particular way? no advice on maintaining health? no consumer products that are marketed as being healthy? no the practice of medicine? no ***BTW, I was actually listening to a program on National Public Radio today about the connection between exercise and health, and several people asked questions on the show that revealed scrunds about the benefits of exercise** So turn them into puzzles!! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 155 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the demographic group rich? poor? middle class? black? white? hispanic? asian? another race? college educated? high school graduate? high school dropout? urban? suburban? rural? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4675 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 155 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 2:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the demographic group rich? poor? middle class? black? white? hispanic? asian? another race? college educated? high school graduate? high school dropout? urban? suburban? rural?All these factors are irrel!! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the demographic group a specific age group? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4678 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the demographic group a specific age group? yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 161 Registered: 7-2009 |
babies? children? teens? college age? young adult? middle age? older? Is the length of one's lifespan relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4679 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 161 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 2:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) babies? nochildren? no teens? no college age? noyoung adult? no middle age? noolder? Older than whom?Do you mean old people? If so, the answer is yes Is the length of one's lifespan relevant? yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2009 |
I meant older than all of the other ages listed, so yes, of course I meant old people. =) Was your scrund about some action increasing lifespan? Not changing lifespan? Decreasing lifespan? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4683 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 10:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I meant older than all of the other ages listed, so yes, of course I meant old people. =) Sorry, I was just being a "language Nazi." People sometimes use 'older people' as a euphemism for 'old people' & that sets my teeth on edge. Was your scrund about some action increasing lifespan? no Not changing lifespan? noDecreasing lifespan? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 170 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the scrund about some effect of a long lifespan on health? Perhaps that old people are less healthy in a certain specific way than young people? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4686 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 170 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 2:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the scrund about some effect of a long lifespan on health? yesishPerhaps that old people are less healthy in a certain specific way than young people? yesish or yope | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1526 Registered: 6-2005 |
(Gonna try to avoid "old people"... let's see how I do.) Does it have to do with the average number of medications the elderly are taking? Does it have to do with the amount of money it costs the average AARP member? Do retired people actually do fewer good things for their health when they need to be most concerned? Does the secret to becoming an old fart have absolutely nothing to do with diet/exercise/smoking habits? Have you seen the new Julie&Julia movie? (Julia Child lived to be 91 eating more butter than some countries' GDP). Is the new health care bill/plan relevant to this conversation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4695 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1526 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 11:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) (Gonna try to avoid "old people"... let's see how I do.)What's wrong with the clear & accurate phrase 'old people'? Does it have to do with the average number of medications the elderly are taking? no Does it have to do with the amount of money it costs the average AARP member? noDo retired people actually do fewer good things for their health when they need to be most concerned? I have no idea, but it's irrelDoes the secret to becoming an old fart have absolutely nothing to do with diet/exercise/smoking habits? I have no idea but it's irrel. Hmmm, "old fart"? Do you also use the "N-word"?Sorry. couldn't resist! I don't want to get into an argument about ageism, a much less interesting activity that working on puzzles!Have you seen the new Julie&Julia movie? no (Julia Child lived to be 91 eating more butter than some countries' GDP). Is the new health care bill/plan relevant to this conversation? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2009 |
Health insurance relevant? Medicare? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4701 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 2:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Health insurance relevant? no Medicare? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 197 Registered: 7-2009 |
So the scrund is not: people who do X live longer. Right? Is it in the form: people who live longer do X? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4703 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 197 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 8:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the scrund is not: people who do X live longer. Right? yes', you're right Is it in the form: people who live longer do X? yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 198 Registered: 7-2009 |
Clarification: People who live longer do X when? During the years while they're living longer than average (while they're the oldest of the old people =) )? During their entire life? Their entire adult life? After they've reached old age? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4704 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member BLOOPERRRATERTTTTTT! Is it in the form: people who live longer do X? yes. THE ANSWER SHOULD BE YESISH Clarification: People who live longer do X when? During the years while they're living longer than average (while they're the oldest of the old people =) )? yesish During their entire life? not part of the scrundTheir entire adult life? dotto After they've reached old age?yope | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 205 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it: People who live longer don't do X? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4705 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 205 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 12:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it: People who live longer don't do X?noish, "People who live longer do X" is closer but still a yesish rather than a yes | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 917 Registered: 7-2001 |
does the scrund relate to the health of old people? are they healthier than you thought? less healthy? does it relate to the likelihood of old people getting disease? a particular disease? is healthcare relevant? euthanasia? cost of healthcare? choices about healthcare? benefits of treatment? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4713 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 917 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 8:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does the scrund relate to the health of old people? yes are they healthier than you thought? yopeless healthy? yope does it relate to the likelihood of old people getting disease? just about health in generral a particular disease? no is healthcare relevant? no euthanasia? no cost of healthcare? nochoices about healthcare? nobenefits of treatment? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2009 |
People who live longer go to X? ...think X? ... say X? ...are X? People who live longer are happier? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4715 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 4:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) People who live longer go to X? no ...think X? no ... say X? no ...are X? yesish People who live longer are happier? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1529 Registered: 6-2005 |
People who live longer are healthier? (Which, most aren't... After all, 30% over age 85 have Alzheimers, yes? And the 90ish-year-old Julia Childs ate a stick of butter with nearly every meal). | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 275 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is X in this scenario related to: actions done to old people? actions done by old people? beliefs? thoughts? wants? needs? family structure? friends? emotions? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4721 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1529 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 12:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) People who live longer are healthier? yes(Which, most aren't... After all, 30% over age 85 have Alzheimers, yes? I think so, but there's STILL a way in which people who live longer are healthier. Find out what it is. And the 90ish-year-old Julia Childs ate a stick of butter with nearly every meal). Well, it didn't seem to have hurt her any. Maybe she took statins, like me (although I don't get a stick of butter with every meal, alas). Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 275 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 2:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is X in this scenario related to: actions done to old people? actions done by old people? beliefs? thoughts? wants? needs? family structure? friends? emotions? none of these!! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 278 Registered: 7-2009 |
But you only said "yesish" to "people who live longer are X," but "yes" to "people who live longer are healthier." Is the original "yesish" because the sentence is incomplete? Should it be "People who live longer are healthier because ____"? Also, I'm confused. Was your scrund that you thought people who live longer were healtheir, when they're actually not? Or was your scrund thinking that those people are less healthy, when in fact they actually are healthier? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4723 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 278 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 7:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) But you only said "yesish" to "people who live longer are X," but "yes" to "people who live longer are healthier." Is the original "yesish" because the sentence is incomplete? Should it be "People who live longer are healthier because ____"? No, the discrepancy is a BLOOOPERRALERTTTTTTTTTTTT!! Both are on the borderline between'yes' & 'yesish' Also, I'm confused. Was your scrund that you thought people who live longer were healtheir, when they're actually not? noOr was your scrund thinking that those people are less healthy, when in fact they actually are healthier? yes, but you need to find out just who is healthier than whom ( I mean groups, not individuals) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the fact that women usually live longer than men relevant? Or that certain races are seen as having longer lifespans than others? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1534 Registered: 6-2005 |
Married??? Is this about single vs. married people? I.e. Married men are healthier and live longer? HOWEVER, on average, married women don't live as long (Childbirth deaths, stress, oppression, beatings, executions) as single women? Yes, folks, the men suck the life right out of us. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4726 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 8:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the fact that women usually live longer than men relevant? no Or that certain races are seen as having longer lifespans than others? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1534 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 9:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Married??? no Is this about single vs. married people? noI.e. Married men are healthier and live longer? irrelHOWEVER, on average, married women don't live as long (Childbirth deaths, stress, oppression, beatings, executions "Executions? What percentage of married women gewt EXECUTED??!!) as single women? irrel Yes, folks, the men suck the life right out of us. | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1535 Registered: 6-2005 |
I guess I'm still a tad confused by what it is we're trying to figure out... is the scrund: "People who live longer are healthier"? Or perhaps "Healthy people live longer"? Or is there a scrund about a quality? a habit? a trait? of certain people who happen to live longer? I.e. They drink a glass of wine each day? [Or does this trait ACTUALLY help them live longer? Be healthier?] | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4731 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1535 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I guess I'm still a tad confused by what it is we're trying to figure out... is the scrund: "People who live longer are healthier"? Or perhaps "Healthy people live longer"?You need to identify a fact about health & old age that is surprising--in fact, the opposite of whtat people would expect--but understandable once you think about it."Healthy people live longer" is hardly surprising, but there's a closely related scrund, which you should identify. Or is there a scrund about a quality? no a habit? noa trait? no of certain people who happen to live longer? I.e. They drink a glass of wine each day? no[Or does this trait ACTUALLY help them live longer? irrel Be healthier? ditto] | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1536 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the definition of "healthy" something we need to explore here? Is there something about "living longer" we need to explore? Quality of life relevant? Is there something that happens related to "old age" that needs exploring? Something that deteriorates? Something that improves? (i.e. Nerves regenerating after 25+ years) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4734 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1536 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the definition of "healthy" something we need to explore here? no Is there something about "living longer" we need to explore? yes Quality of life relevant? just healthIs there something that happens related to "old age" that needs exploring? yesish Something that deteriorates? yopeSomething that improves? no(i.e. Nerves regenerating after 25+ years) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 312 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is memory relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4740 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 312 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 1:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is memory relevant?Health in general is relevant, not any specific aspect. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4741 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hnt: The scrund involves a comparison. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 318 Registered: 7-2009 |
A comparison other than the implied comparison we've already been using? i.e. People who live longer are healthier (than people who live shorter)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4746 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 318 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 11:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A comparison other than the implied comparison we've already been using? i.e. People who live longer are healthier (than people who live shorter)? Yes. You should identify 2 comparison groups, e.g. Northerners vs. Southerners (although of course those are not the groups!) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 321 Registered: 7-2009 |
So is it something like "Group A is healthier than group B" where Group A is the group that lives longer? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1708 Registered: 6-2001 |
Following on from Noel's question, with Group A being the healthier group and Group B the unhealthier group. Do the two comparison groups partition the population? (ie, is everyone either in group A or group B) If not (or, actually, even if so...) - what percentage of people are in group A: 5%? 10? 20? 50? 70? What percentage of people are in group B? 5? 10? 20? 50? 70? Are you in Group A? Group B? Do you think it likely that I am? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4750 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 321 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 2:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So is it something like "Group A is healthier than group B" where Group A is the group that lives longer? yes Bentarm (Bentarm) New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1708 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 3:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Following on from Noel's question, with Group A being the healthier group and Group B the unhealthier group. Do the two comparison groups partition the population? no(ie, is everyone either in group A or group B) If not (or, actually, even if so...) - what percentage of people are in group A: 5%? less than 5% 10? 20? 50? 70? What percentage of people are in group B? 5? probably lkess than 5% (although I'm not sure of that)10? 20? 50? 70? Are you in Group A? no Group B? noDo you think it likely that I am? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 391 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the reason that each group is such a small percentage of the population because the two groups only include old people? Are all old people included in either group A or group B? Or are the percentages of old people in each group comparable to the percentages in the population as a whole? Is it possible to be a member of both groups, or are they mutually exclusive? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4751 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 391 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 2:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the reason that each group is such a small percentage of the population because the two groups only include old people? yes Are all old people included in either group A or group B? no Or are the percentages of old people in each group comparable to the percentages in the population as a whole? yes Is it possible to be a member of both groups no, or are they mutually exclusive yes? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 406 Registered: 7-2009 |
So it's still only ~ less than 5% of old people in each group? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4752 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 406 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 6:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So it's still only ~ less than 5% of old people in each group?no. I misunderstood your question. Sorry! BLOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRRRRRRRALERTTTTTTT!!Are all old people included in either group A or group B? no Or are the percentages of old people in each group comparable to the percentages in the population as a whole? yes The answer to the second question should be (HINT!!) it's ALL the old people in each group | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 926 Registered: 7-2001 |
OK - so we have a scrund which involves comparing two groups of old people? the health of two groups of old people? but these 2 groups do not contain all old people? are the groups defined by age? are they each 'people over the age of..'? is one group - people over the age of 100? is the scrund that people over the age of X are actually healthier than people over the age of Y, where X is larger than Y? so we might expect that those over the age of 90 are less healthy than those between 80 and 90, but isn actual fact it's the other way around? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4757 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 926 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 8:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) OK - so we have a scrund which involves comparing two groups of old people? yes the health of two groups of old people? yes but these 2 groups do not contain all old people? yes are the groups defined by age? yes are they each 'people over the age of..'? nois one group - people over the age of 100? no is the scrund that people over the age of X are actually healthier than people over the age of Y, where X is larger than Y? see below so we might expect that those over the age of 90 are less healthy than those between 80 and 90, but isn actual fact it's the other way around? Well, so close that I'll declare a ****** SPOILER************* Are you surprised to hear than the average person in his 90's is healthier than the average person in his 80's? I was, but when I think about it, it makes sense.Few people become healthier as they go from their 80's to their 90's (although some may, through coronary bypasses, etc.), but the people who make it into their 90's are a very select group. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Hannah, & you know where my new puzzle is. |
