| Author | Message | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 457 Registered: 10-2008 |
For many college students, their last one is their first one. | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 136 Registered: 8-2009 |
Does "last" in this context mean latest/most recent? ...final in a series of events over time? ...furthest in one direction in a certain visual or conceptual arrangement? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 140 Registered: 8-2009 |
Do both of the "ones" refer to the same thing? | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is 'it' something that is specific to college students? Or is it something that usually happens when you are that age? Is the statement true for MOST college students? If the statement isn't true for a college student, is that normal? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2008 |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat) Does "last" in this context mean latest/most recent? Yes,...final in a series of events over time? And yes....furthest in one direction in a certain visual or conceptual arrangement? No. Dropofahat (Dropofahat) Do both of the "ones" refer to the same thing? Strictly speaking yes, but in different contexts. Natanz (Natanz) Is 'it' something that is specific to college students? Yes. Or is it something that usually happens when you are that age? No. Is the statement true for MOST college students? Probably more than 50%. If the statement isn't true for a college student, is that normal? Yes, it's not unusual. | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 168 Registered: 8-2009 |
Would an equivalent phrase be: "most college students only do (or have) this once"? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 461 Registered: 10-2008 |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat) Would an equivalent phrase be: "most college students only do (or have) this once"? Hm. That would be a true statement, for a specific meaning of "this." | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 201 Registered: 7-2009 |
is graduating relevant? enrolling? are names relevant? (last name, first name?) | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 217 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is test-taking relevant? Is the word "last" a play on the word "final" (as in "final exam")? Is drinking alcohol relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 462 Registered: 10-2008 |
Sugarshane (Sugarshane) is graduating relevant? Yes. enrolling? Noish. are names relevant? (last name, first name?) No. Dropofahat (Dropofahat) Is test-taking relevant? No.Is the word "last" a play on the word "final" (as in "final exam")? No. Is drinking alcohol relevant? No, though I knew that would come up. =) | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 220 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is the word "degree" relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2008 |
Nope. | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 232 Registered: 8-2009 |
Does it have to do with what you wear for graduation? (Mortar board? gown? class ring?) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 470 Registered: 10-2008 |
No. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 250 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it the actual graduation ceremony that's relevant? Something that happens before the ceremony? Something that happens after the ceremony? Or is it what the ceremony symbolizes? Finishing school? Heading to the real world? Could you say the same thing about high school graduation? Graduate school graduation? Kindergarten graduation? (which, by the way, I don't get the point of at all! =) ) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 251 Registered: 7-2009 |
Or wait, instead of being about actual graduation, is it about the requirements needed to graduate? Course requirements? Failed classes? Major? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 474 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Is it the actual graduation ceremony that's relevant? No. Something that happens before the ceremony? Technically, yes. Something that happens after the ceremony? Or is it what the ceremony symbolizes? Finishing school? Heading to the real world? No to rest. Could you say the same thing about high school graduation? Graduate school graduation? Kindergarten graduation? (which, by the way, I don't get the point of at all! =) ) Agreed. Yes to graduate school, no to rest except in certain circumstances. Noel (Noel) Or wait, instead of being about actual graduation, is it about the requirements needed to graduate? You could say that, yes. Course requirements? Failed classes? Major? But none of these. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 253 Registered: 7-2009 |
Money relevant? For tuition? Student loans? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 478 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Money relevant? Yes! For tuition? Yes. Student loans? And yes. | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 858 Registered: 5-2007 |
A check? A payment? A bill? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 269 Registered: 7-2009 |
Late payment? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 479 Registered: 10-2008 |
Alex319 (Alex319) A check? A payment? This is relevant. A bill? And this. Noel (Noel) Late payment? No. A little hint to keep you on the right track: Both "one"s are more than one word. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1343 Registered: 5-2003 |
Credit cards? Is the aggressive marketing of them to college students relevant? Kids getting themselves in financial trouble? Learning their lesson about something and never doing it again? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 497 Registered: 10-2008 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) Credit cards? No. Is the aggressive marketing of them to college students relevant? No, but isn't that so strange? Kids getting themselves in financial trouble? No, but OTRTish. Learning their lesson about something and never doing it again? No. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2009 |
Student Loan? Financial Aid? A particular type of financial aid? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 576 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Welcome to the forum! Student Loan? Financial Aid? This is involved, yes. A particular type of financial aid? All are relevant. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2009 |
Being in debt? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 578 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Being in debt? This is sort of relevant. To be more accurate, could I ask you (and actually, the last few posters) to clarify what you're asking? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2009 |
Federal Aid? Stafford Loan? Pell Grant? The dreaded "FAFSA Application"? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 579 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Federal Aid? Stafford Loan? Pell Grant? The dreaded "FAFSA Application"? To clarify, are you asking if these are relevant, if they're the answer, etc? They could all be involved. And yes, FAFSA is so unnecessarily complicated. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 559 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is going without financial aid for a semester relevant? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 241 Registered: 2-2009 |
You said each "one" means strictly speaking the same thing but in different contexts. If we populated each "one" in the puzzle statement, would the first and second "one"s be made up of the same words? Is it repayment of a student loan that is relevant? is the action of repaying relevant? or the physical bill one gets? Is the "last one" related to graduation? Is the "first one" related to loan repayment? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Is going without financial aid for a semester relevant? No. Kalira (Kalira) You said each "one" means strictly speaking the same thing but in different contexts. Yes. If we populated each "one" in the puzzle statement, would the first and second "one"s be made up of the same words? No, although they would have a word in common. Is it repayment of a student loan that is relevant? No. is the action of repaying relevant? No. or the physical bill one gets? Hm, yesish. Is the "last one" related to graduation? Yes, or close to it. =) Is the "first one" related to loan repayment? No, but I think you're OTRT. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2009 |
Their last "student loan" becomes their first "personal loan"? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 598 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Their last "student loan" becomes their first "personal loan"? Nope. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the occurrence of the event tend to vary by gender - a little? a lot? not at all? Is the nature of the first/last event related to a course requirement? Graduation requirement? Personal relationship? A physical object? A person? Is membership in a sorority relevant? A fraternity? Some other club/organization? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it the college decal they put on their car? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 599 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Does the occurrence of the event tend to vary by gender - a little? a lot? not at all? Not at all, to my knowledge. Is the nature of the first/last event I don't know if I would call it an event, although it does take place within a time frame. related to a course requirement? No. Graduation requirement? Yope to yesish. Personal relationship? A physical object? A person? No to rest. Is membership in a sorority relevant? A fraternity? Some other club/organization? No. Wefigure (Wefigure) Is it the college decal they put on their car? No. | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 80 Registered: 12-2006 |
Are either of the "ones" a diploma? A credit card? Would this statement not apply to college students who paid upfront for their schooling? (Or I should say, had their parents pay for it =) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 608 Registered: 10-2008 |
Cupofsun (Cupofsun) Are either of the "ones" a diploma? No. A credit card? No. Would this statement not apply to college students who paid upfront for their schooling? (Or I should say, had their parents pay for it =) Yes, it wouldn't. | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2006 |
Are parking tickets involved? I can't believe I'm resorting to this, but I'm trying to spoil one of your puzzles so you can put your new one up, which I can tell you are excited about... Is the first "one" bigger than a bread box? An object? An idea? A piece of paper? Made of plastic? Is the 2nd "one" bigger than a bread box? An object? An idea? A concept? A piece of paper? Made of plastic? Is using a computer involved in this puzzle? Going to the bursar's office? Does it have to do with something that must be done to graduate? Having to admit something to your parents? Does it absolutely have to be their "last" one? (i.e. If this happened to me in undergrad, could it possibly happen again if I chose to go to graduate school or get my PHD?) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 643 Registered: 10-2008 |
Cupofsun (Cupofsun) Are parking tickets involved? No. I can't believe I'm resorting to this, but I'm trying to spoil one of your puzzles so you can put your new one up, which I can tell you are excited about... Why thank you, Cupofsun, that's very nice of you. One will get solved today, I can feel it. Is the first "one" bigger than a bread box? An object? An idea? A concept? Basically this. It's a time period. A piece of paper? Made of plastic? Is the 2nd "one" bigger than a bread box? An object? An idea? A concept? This. It's technically the same thing as the first "one," but framed in a different context. A piece of paper? Made of plastic? Is using a computer involved in this puzzle? Not necessarily, but probably. Going to the bursar's office? I don't believe that s/he would be involved with this specific process. Does it have to do with something that must be done to graduate? Yes. Having to admit something to your parents? No. Does it absolutely have to be their "last" one? No. (i.e. If this happened to me in undergrad, could it possibly happen again if I chose to go to graduate school or get my PHD?) Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 330 Registered: 3-2004 |
So, "the last one" and "their first one" are some kind of time periods? Or things that are done during periods of time? Would students usually find them: Pleasant? "Necessary Evil"? Unspectacular? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2009 |
About that word in common that both "one's" share: Is the common word a noun? Number of syllables 1? 2? 3? 4? Does it refer to money? a loan? debt? relationship? living arrangement? partner? will? phase of life? Is a legal document involved? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 660 Registered: 10-2008 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) So, "the last one" and "their first one" are some kind of time periods? Yes. Or things that are done during periods of time? Ways of marking periods of time by what goes on in them, I'd say. Would students usually find them: Pleasant? "Necessary Evil"? Unspectacular? Could be any. Wefigure (Wefigure) About that word in common that both "one's" share: Is the common word a noun? Yes. Number of syllables 1? 2? 3? This. =)4? Does it refer to money? a loan? debt? relationship? living arrangement? partner? will? phase of life? This is closest; it refers to the time mentioned above. Is a legal document involved? Vaguely. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 340 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is that noun "Semester"? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 723 Registered: 7-2009 |
Are loan grace periods relevant? Deferment? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 663 Registered: 10-2008 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) Is that noun "Semester"? Indeed it is. And so we have: "For many students, their last semester __________ is their [or "the"] first semester ______________." Noel (Noel) Are loan grace periods relevant? No. Deferment? No. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 729 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the first blank "of college"? The second one? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is this it? For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester of their career? (or life?) | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2009 |
Wait! I think I got it! For many students, their last semester break is their first semester broke! | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 665 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Is the first blank "of college"? Yes. The second one? No. Wefigure (Wefigure) Is this it? For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester of their career? (or life?) No, quite true though. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2009 |
Uh-oh. Just spotten Noel's post. So the answer can't be as clever as my guess "break,broke" (smile), but it still must be clever, like it rhymes and has to do with being broke. So how about: For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester (or period) of homage? mortgage? bondage? pottage? pawnage? passage? shortage? upitty-uppage? I'm not gonna give uppage! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 736 Registered: 7-2009 |
Aw, I liked the break/broke answer. Clever! Does the second blank rhyme with "of college"? Have the same number of syllables as "of college"? Is it a prepositional phrase? Or another part of speech? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2009 |
(Thanks Noel.) A few more tries... For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester (or period) of (true) knowledge? cleavage? (Hey, it could be LA) forage? image? toilage? OK, one more... it's a longshot, but here goes: pillage? (business majors) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 667 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) Uh-oh. Just spotten Noel's post. So the answer can't be as clever as my guess "break,broke" (smile), but it still must be clever, like it rhymes and has to do with being broke. So how about: Haha, good guess. For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester (or period) of homage? mortgage? bondage? pottage? pawnage? passage? shortage? upitty-uppage? I'm not gonna give uppage! I promise that it doesn't rhyme with college. Noel (Noel) Does the second blank rhyme with "of college"? No. Have the same number of syllables as "of college"? No. Sorry, it's not a witticism, just a sentence. Is it a prepositional phrase? Yes. Or another part of speech? It's several words, and could be phrased in several ways. Wefigure (Wefigure) (Thanks Noel.) A few more tries... For many students, their last semester of college is their first semester (or period) of (true) knowledge? cleavage? (Hey, it could be LA) forage? image? toilage? I'm really not sure where the rhyming idea came from...no, but all are wonderful. OK, one more... it's a longshot, but here goes: pillage? (business majors) Haha no. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 742 Registered: 7-2009 |
Their last semester of college is their first semester in debt? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 670 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Their last semester of college is their first semester in debt? No. | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2006 |
Is the sentence these exact words: "Their last semester of college is their first semester IN _____________" Insert other words for "IN" WITH WITHOUT ON TO Their last semester of college is their first semester working/with a job? (Even if that's not it, I want to pull my hair out when I meet college seniors who have never had a job. Grrrrrrrr. :-) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 674 Registered: 10-2008 |
Cupofsun (Cupofsun) Is the sentence these exact words: "Their last semester of college is their first semester IN _____________" No. Insert other words for "IN" WITH WITHOUT This would be most likely, although there are several ways to phrase the general idea that I'm looking for. ON TO Their last semester of college is their first semester working/with a job? No. (Even if that's not it, I want to pull my hair out when I meet college seniors who have never had a job. Grrrrrrrr. :-) Haha, I'm glad I've had a job or two, then, for your sake. Honestly, though, I can understand focusing 100% on school while you're in it. | ||
| Geezer (Geezer)
New member Username: Geezer Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2009 |
Their last semester in college is their first semester -without a following semester? -without more schooling? -to pay for? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 677 Registered: 10-2008 |
Geezer (Geezer) Their last semester in college is their first semester -without a following semester? No. -without more schooling? No. -to pay for? Yes, this is part of it. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 766 Registered: 7-2009 |
their first semester without something to pay for? their first semester without needing to pay for ___? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2009 |
How "lateral" is your puzzle? Truly (lateral in the classic sense)? Mostly? Slightly? Not really? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2009 |
How "lateral" is your puzzle? Truly lateral in the classic sense? Mostly? Slightly? Not really? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 678 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) their first semester without something to pay for? Noish. their first semester without needing to pay for ___? Yesish, method of payment is relevant. Wefigure (Wefigure) How "lateral" is your puzzle? Truly (lateral in the classic sense)? Mostly? Slightly? Not really? I'm not sure I understand the question. Lateral thinking is a method of finding a solution by thinking of something not immediately obvious and inducing a flash of insight, rather than working out something step-by-step. So yes, it's definitely a puzzle that you can use lateral thinking to solve. | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2009 |
first semester without an ID card? an ID number? a student ID? financial aid? financial aid from parental units? first semester of financial independence? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 680 Registered: 10-2008 |
Wefigure (Wefigure) first semester without an ID card? an ID number? a student ID? financial aid? You're so close with this! What aspect of financial aid would not be applicable to the last semester? financial aid from parental units? first semester of financial independence? | ||
| Wefigure (Wefigure)
New member Username: Wefigure Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2009 |
Their last semester of college is the first semester they didn't have to apply for financial aid? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2008 |
*******************SPOILER Nice job, Wefigure, and thanks to everyone for sticking with it. For many students, their last semester in college is the first semester in which they don't have to scramble around to get financial aid for next semester. |
