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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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I used to have an induced scrund. I was gloating when I learned it was just a scrund.

What was the scrund about?
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How is an induced scrund different from a normal scrund? I don't recall having that defined. Does it mean it was the result of your own inference?
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How is an induced scrund different from a normal scrund? I don't recall having that defined. Does it mean it was the result of your own inference? Perhaps it hasn't been defined yet and I am the first one to coin a new sub-term ;-)). What I mean is that I did not infer the scrund myself but somebody made me believe it was true
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Were you gloating because you found out it was a scrund? Or were you gloating about something else?

If the first, were you gloating because you had originally been right (before it was "induced")? Or for another reason?
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Were you gloating because you found out it was a scrund? Or were you gloating about something else? It was nice to find out it was a scrund for a reason which was related to the persons who caused it

If the first, were you gloating because you had originally been right (before it was "induced")I wasn't originally right because I had never realized the scrund could be a scrund - I just did not have any reason not to believe it? Or for another reason? This
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Is the title relevant?

If it is - I'm going to go out on a limb here... is the TV show "Lost in Space" relevant? Is the movie "Forbidden Planet" relevant?
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Is the title relevant? Yes

If it is - I'm going to go out on a limb here... is the TV show "Lost in Space" relevant? Is the movie "Forbidden Planet" relevant? but this is a wrong track
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Ah, darn it, I knew it was a long shot...

So it involves someone (or something) named Robbie? Is Robbie H/A/M? Is he real? Fictional? Famous? Will identifying him (if it's possible) help figure out the scrund?
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Ah, darn it, I knew it was a long shot...

So it involves someone (or something) named Robbie? Yes Is Robbie H/A/M? Yes to all Is he real? Yes Fictional? Famous?Yes Will identifying him (if it's possible) Yes, it is possible help figure out the scrund? I can't honestly tell yes - he is only an example of what the scrund was about - but it can certainly show you the right track
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I'm going to go out on another limb... is it Robbie Robertson of "The Band"? If so, does the scrund involve his singing voice?

If not...

Is he a singer? Musician?
Actor? Movie star?
If not, is he an entertainer of some kind?
TV?
Radio?
Writer?
Dancer?

If not entertainer...
Politician?
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I'm going to go out on another limb... is it Robbie Robertson of "The Band"? If so, does the scrund involve his singing voice? 'fraid not

If not...

Is he a singer? Musician?
Actor? Movie star?
If not, is he an entertainer of some kind?
TV?
Radio?
Writer? Yesish; no to the rest
Dancer?

If not entertainer...
Politician?
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Darn it! I have to stop going out on limbs, they keep breaking under me...

Journalist?
Publisher?
Poet? (Robert Frost?)
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Darn it! I have to stop going out on limbs, they keep breaking under me... On the contrary - you almost have him ;-)) - see below

Journalist?
Publisher?
Poet? Yes (Robert Frost?) but not this one (although I love him very much as well)
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Hmm... I don't know too many poets, and don't want to resort to independent research, so...

Was the scrund about him himself? His personal life? His poetry? How he wrote it? What his poetry was about? A particular poem?
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Robert Burns? (I swear, I thought of him, didn't look up a thing...) Didn't he write the line about "the best laid plans of mice and men"? Is that line relevant?
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Hmm... I don't know too many poets, and don't want to resort to independent research, so...

Was the scrund about him himself? Yesish; he was just an example of a group the scrund was about His personal life? Yes His poetry? Yes How he wrote it? No What his poetry was about? Yes A particular poem? The scrund was not about a particular poem but a particular poem helped me to get rid of it

Robert Burns? (I swear, I thought of him, didn't look up a thing...) Yes, it was him; and if you want to look up anything, I won't mind Didn't he write the line about "the best laid plans of mice and men"? Yes indeed (although it was "schemes" not "plans") Is that line relevant? No
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I guess I had a scrund about that line...
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I guess I had a scrund about that line... :-))
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Wait, what? You said it wasn't relevant...
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Wait, what? You said it wasn't relevant... Yes, and it still holds - is there something that makes you think I've changed my mind?
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I don't know, I got confused, for a moment I thought you were saying you also had a scrund about that line, sorry...
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I don't know, I got confused, for a moment I thought you were saying you also had a scrund about that line, sorry... I was just smiling as I understood you had a scrund about the schemes/plans line and have just got rid of it. Did not mean it to confuse you and if I did, I apologize :-))
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No, i did it to myself...

Did you assume something personal about him based on his poetry that turned out not be true?
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Novel "Of Mice and Men" relevant?
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Did you assume something personal about him Yes, and about others as well based on his poetry Yope that turned out not be true Yes?

Novel "Of Mice and Men" relevant? No
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Spiders relevant?
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Spiders relevant? No, why?
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Just a scrund I had... :P
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;-)) About Bruce?
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Yep, guilty as charged.
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Aye, that was Barton :-))
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I know...
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I just couldn't resist the opportunity to brag that I know it too, as this does not happen too often to me :-))
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:-)
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Based on one of his songs (or poems set to music)? Anything to do with the fact that much of Burns' writing was reworking traditional material and he only wrote parts of some songs commonly attributed to him? Auld Lang Syne and McPherson's Rant are both good examples.

Did you assume something about Burns' life? About his family? About Scots?
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Based on one of his songs (or poems set to music)It was on the basis of one his poem set to music I realized that the scrund was a scrund? Anything to do with the fact that much of Burns' writing was reworking traditional material and he only wrote parts of some songs commonly attributed to him? No Auld Lang Syne and McPherson's Rant are both good examples.

Did you assume something about Burns' life? Yes About his family? No About Scots? No
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Auld Lang Syne relevant?
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Auld Lang Syne relevant? No
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Is this a misheard lyric type of scrund?
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Is this a misheard lyric type of scrund? No
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So the scrund is not caused by the song? The song helped you realize that you had a scrund?
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So the scrund is not caused by the song? Correct The song helped you realize that you had a scrund? Exactly so

By the way, although I cannot know for sure, I am convinced most of us had a similar scrund during some time in our lives, and I'd bet some still have it
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I want to get it moving, so I will post a short recap:

I used to have a scrund about a group of people. Someone made me believe it was true and it never came across my mind to question it. When I've read a certain poem by Robert Burns, I realized that it was just a scrund, and was positively gloating about it. It had something to do both with his life and his poetry.


Over to you.
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Is the peom/song "Scots Wha Hae"?
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Rantin' Rovin' Robin? (Which is about Burns himself, and is one of my personal favorite songs.) A Man's a Man (which drew on his political views)? Do we need to get the specific poem? Is it a well-known one? Is it one he wrote entirely himself, or one which other writers or the folk tradition have added to?
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Is the peom/song "Scots Wha Hae"? No

Rantin' Rovin' Robin? (Which is about Burns himself, and is one of my personal favorite songs.) No A Man's a Man (which drew on his political views)? No Do we need to get the specific poem? Not necessarily - just the general notion would do as well - but it would be very helpful if you do Is it a well-known one? Not really, no Is it one he wrote entirely himself, or one which other writers or the folk tradition have added to? Just himself
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Was your scrund about...
...Scottish people? Was it a stereotype?
...poets in general?


If neither of the above...
The group of people your scrund was about, what they have in common, is it...
...something they all do?
...background or heritage?
...something biological?
...a physical feature?
...cultural? Social?
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Was your scrund about...
...Scottish people? Was it a stereotype? No
...poets in general? Yesish


If neither of the above...
The group of people your scrund was about, what they have in common, is it...
...something they all do? The other way round
...background or heritage?
...something biological? Yesish
...a physical feature?
...cultural? Social? Yesish to both

Good questions, as usual ;-))
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Sexual orientation? Dating life? Marriage? Having children?
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Sexual orientation? Dating life? This-ish Marriage? Having children?
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Is the poem about love? Women?
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Is the poem about love? Women? Yes to both
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My Love is Like a Red, Red Rose?
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My Love is Like a Red, Red Rose? No
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Erm that's the only one I knew off the top of my head, but looking up a few-

Jean
O Wert Thou in the Cauld Blast
The Banks Of Bonnie Doon
Love For Love

Any of these?
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Erm that's the only one I knew off the top of my head, but looking up a few-

Jean
O Wert Thou in the Cauld Blast
The Banks Of Bonnie Doon
Love For Love

Any of these? No, I am afraid. There is something special about the poem I am referring to, and it is not a very well known one. Although it will certainly help if you knew which one it was, I think it would perhaps be quicker to focus on the general idea.
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Was the scrund about infidelity? Monogamy? Natural abilities with women? Physical attractiveness (of the poet)? Physical attractiveness (of his love interest)? The reasons why the poet is attracted to someone? The attractiveness of a poet's talents? Romance? Courtship?
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Was the scrund about infidelity? No but OTRT Monogamy? No but OTRT Natural abilities with women? You can call it this, I suppose :-)) Physical attractiveness (of the poet)? Physical attractiveness (of his love interest)? The reasons why the poet is attracted to someone? Yesish The attractiveness of a poet's talents? In a way... yes Romance? Sort of Courtship? Sort of
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Clarification: "...something they all do? The other way round" -- do you mean the scrund is about something poets DON'T do?

If so, is the scrund that you thought they didn't something, when they actually do it? Or that you thought they all did something that they don't actually do? Or that you thought they all did something that really only some do?

Or does "other way round" mean something else?
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Clarification: "...something they all do? The other way round" -- do you mean the scrund is about something poets DON'T do? Yes

If so, is the scrund that you thought they didn't something, when they actually do it? Yes! Or that you thought they all did something that they don't actually do? Or that you thought they all did something that really only some do? No to the rest

Or does "other way round" mean something else? No, you got it correct - see above
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Is sex (or lack thereof) directly relevant?
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Is sex (or lack thereof) directly relevant? Yes indeed :-))
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Poets don't have sex? Don't remain loyal to a single partner? Don't cheat? Don't feel bad about cheating? Don't enjoy sex? Don't go for long periods of time without sex? Don't equate sex with love?
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Poets don't have sex? Sort-ish of Don't remain loyal to a single partner? Don't cheat? Don't feel bad about cheating? Don't enjoy sex? But this is much closer Don't go for long periods of time without sex? Don't equate sex with love?
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Is it a comparison? Something along the lines of poets would rather do X than have sex?
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Is it a comparison? Something along the lines of poets would rather do X than have sex? Noish; I'd say my scrund was simpler than that; and don't forget it was induced :-))
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The somebody who made you believe it was true...an actual person you know? An author? Someone in a movie? Someone on TV? A poet? Does it matter?
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The somebody who made you believe it was true...an actual person you know? Yes - in fact, there was a group of such people, and there are much more actual people I don't know; it is quite likely you have met some of them I haven't An author? Someone in a movie? Someone on TV? A poet? No to the rest Does it matter? Quite so, yes; they were the reason why I was gloating and not just, say, amused
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Are the group of people identified/unified by a demographic characteristic? A hobby? An organization? An occupation?

Are you a poet? Do you identify in some relevant way with poets?
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Are the group of people identified/unified by a demographic characteristic? A hobby? An organization? This-ish An occupation? And this

Are you a poet? A wannabe one, but irrelevant :-)) Do you identify in some relevant way with poets? No
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All I keep thinking is athlete (thinking about the high school football guys picking on the artsy guys), but you said not a hobby and not someone on TV. So it's not athlete, right?

If not [LTPF list of occupation categories]?

Would all poets be considered part of the group? Some poets? No poets?
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All I keep thinking is athlete (thinking about the high school football guys picking on the artsy guys), but you said not a hobby and not someone on TV. So it's not athlete, right? Right

If not [LTPF list of occupation categories]? Teachers

Would all poets be considered part of the group? No Some poets? Yes No poets?
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Teachers of a specific age group? High school? College? (I assume it's nothing younger if they're talking about sex, but is it necessarily either?)
Of a specific subject? Math? Science? English? Social Studies?
Or all teachers?

Do all teachers of the appropriate subject and age group teach this? Is it part of state or national education standards / guidelines / curricula? Is it just a commonly held belief among many teachers?
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Teachers of a specific age group? High school? This College? And this (I assume it's nothing younger And you assume correctly if they're talking about sex I didn't say that they were talking about sex, did I?, but is it necessarily either?)
Of a specific subject? Math? Science? English? This, and another subject as well you have not named Social Studies? No to rest
Or all teachers? No

Do all teachers of the appropriate subject and age group teach this If you are referring to the scrund, it's completely up to them; I'd say that many of them do? Is it part of state or national education standards / guidelines / curricula Difficult to answer. I'd say the standards etc. rather support that the scrund is taught to pupils; however, it's up to the teachers and they would not commit any breach of the curriculum if they do NOT teach the scrund. ? Is it just a commonly held belief among many teachers This is very close, I think?
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Subject: Foreign language? Health? Drama? Art? Music?

Hmm, so they led you to think something about the sex lives of poets without actually mentioning sex? Interesting.
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Were you told that poets were generally... loners? ..."Stuffy"? ...pure? ...studious? ...nerdy?
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Subject: Foreign language? Health? Drama? Art? Music? I realise my previous answer may have been a bit misleading; the other subject was literature, which can be considered a part of English and/or any other language

Hmm, so they led you to think something about the sex lives of poets without actually mentioning sex? Yes, this was exactly what they did. Interesting. Yes indeed, but true :-)). What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets?
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What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets? absolutely nothing =)

I think you missed drop's questions


Common folklore says that poets are romantics, seducers, womanizers, ladies men, etc. Or else that they're homosexual. Your scrund seems to be the opposite of the first, and you said the second was irrelevant. So I'm very intrigued by what your teachers could have told you.

Unless...Is the concept of unrequited love relevant? Broken hearts?
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What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets? absolutely nothing =) That's the point :-))

I think you missed drop's questions Here they go :-))

Were you told rather "made believe" - nobody told this expressly that poets were generally... loners? ..."Stuffy"? Yes ...pure? This is closest...studious? Sort of ...nerdy? Yes

Common folklore says that poets are romantics, seducers, womanizers, ladies men, etc. Or else that they're homosexual. Your scrund seems to be the opposite of the first That's correct, and you said the second was irrelevant And this is correct too.. So I'm very intrigued by what your teachers could have told you. Basically the same they told you :-))

Unless...Is the concept of unrequited love relevant? Broken hearts? Neither


Keep in mind we are talking about a group of poets, not poets in general.
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"Keep in mind we are talking about a group of poets, not poets in general." Scottish poets?
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Were you told they were virgins?
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Were you told they were very religious? Chaste? Priest-like?
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"Keep in mind we are talking about a group of poets, not poets in general." Scottish poets? No, a more general category.

Were you told they were virgins? Almost

Were you told they were very religious? No Chaste? Very much so Priest-like? Almost saint-like :-))

All the above with the reservation no one actually SAID it directly
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Does it have to do with a label that was applied to a certain group of poets or a certain poetic movement in school? Something like the Romantics or Postmodernists (but neither of those, of course)?

Were they described as Holy?
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Does it have to do with a label that was applied to a certain group of poets Yes or a certain poetic movement No in school? Something like the Romantics or Postmodernists (but neither of those, of course)? But it was much more general

Were they described as Holy? No
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Male poets?

Were you led to believe they were asexual? Celibate?

Did you misunderstand/misinterpret something that was said about them?
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Male poets? No

Were you led to believe they were asexual? Yes! Celibate? Almost

Did you misunderstand/misinterpret something that was said about them? I think not. I'd rather say that what was said about them was (perhaps subconsciously) meant to make us believe they were asexual
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Were you told that they were never married? Never had girlfriends? or boyfriends? never had children? Never had a date? never had a romantic encounter?
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Was the poem/song that got rid of the scrund a love poem to one of RB's girlfriends?
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Were you told that they were never married? Never had girlfriends? or boyfriends? never had children? Never had a date? Nothing of the abovenever had a romantic encounter? This is quite close. I think you've already got the general notion - that the poets of the group in question were asexual, dull, boring creatures

Was the poem/song that got rid of the scrund a love poem to one of RB's girlfriends? It is not dedicated to any specific RB's girlfriend. And I am not sure whether I would call it a love poem, although it definitely is about love.

By the way, there are many more RB's poems which would have the same effect as the one I am referring to.
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Is there more to be found out about how you got the scrund? Are we to determine exactly what you were told? Is it a play on words?

Does the poem/song mention a specific word or phrase that debunked the scrund? Or is it a general feeling in the poem/song?
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Is there more to be found out about how you got the scrund? Possibly not. If you can summarize how you think I've got it, I'll tell you whether you're right, or whether there is something more to be found out Are we to determine exactly what you were told? No Is it a play on words? No

Does the poem/song mention a specific word or phrase that debunked the scrund? Yes Or is it a general feeling in the poem/song? And definitely this as well
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Hm, wait, we still don't know the group of poets, do we...? Do I need to know anything specific about Burns, or poets like him, to be able to identify the group?
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Hm, wait, we still don't know the group of poets, do we...? That's true Do I need to know anything specific about Burns, or poets like him, to be able to identify the group? Not really, just the general notion. It might help to know that this group does not include just poets, but prose-writers and playwrights as well.
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Are they all... male? Scottish? From that time period? Do they know each other?
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Are they all... male? Scottish? From that time period? Do they know each other? No to all

I have said that the category is very general. They can be male, female, almost from any period or any country. It is often subjective whether they belong to this category or not.

Perhaps it might help if you think of your own literature classes and the kind of authors you were mostly taught about.
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Successful authors? Published authors? Educated authors? Dead authors?
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Successful authors? Yes, and there is some more to it Published authors? Yes, and there is some more to it Educated authors? Probably, but not necessarily Dead authors? Not necessarily

Let me give you some random examples of those who belong in this category: Shakespeare, Milton, Burns, Jane Austen, Racine, Cervantes, Goethe,...
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World-famous poets?
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Wealthy poets? Well-known poets? Socially respected poets? European poets? Poets in the nobility?

If none of the above, could you give examples of authors who don't belong in the category? If so, please do.

If not, is it because any author we've likely heard of would be included in the group?
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World-famous poets? Yes

Wealthy poets? Well-known poets? This Socially respected poets? And this European poets? Poets in the nobility?

If none of the above, could you give examples of authors who don't belong in the category? If so, please do. I think you've got the notion - I would call the category "the Classics"

If not, is it because any author we've likely heard of would be included in the group?
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Is it because they've been given such elevated status that you wouldn't consider them having normal human (sexual) tendencies?
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Is it because they've been given such elevated status that you wouldn't consider them having normal human (sexual) tendencies?
Bingo!
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And the poem/song contained sexual (or at least romantic) references, which unscrunded you?
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And the poem/song contained sexual This (or at least romantic) references, which unscrunded you? Yes (btw a nice new word, this)


******************SPOILER******************

When I was in high school and then at University, I was unlucky enough to have literature and/or English teachers who were very serious about the classic authors, praising them highly, forcing us to learn by heart lists of their works, but never actually bothering to have us actually READ them, let alone to go through their work with us and help us understand WHY this particular author is so good.

I know it was not entirely their fault as I was old enough to make some investigations on my own, but it gave me the general impression that the "Classics" were a bunch of extremely boring, dull persons who never did anything interesting, and that their work was just like them.

I got rid of this scrund when I came across a tape with Robert Burns' poetry, with some renowned actor's voice reading it (I don't remember his exact name). The particular "unscrunding" poem was "Gi'e the Lass her Fairing". It completely changed my opinion as to the "Classic's" dullness.

Now, a serious, and I mean it, a SERIOUS warning. Please DON'T click on the links below if you are either:

- under the legal age of your country (yes, Gourami, YOU can now, if you wish to);
- offended by foul language/indecency;
- have a similar scrund I used to, and want to keep it;

However, you can still click on them even if any of the above applies, provided you declare on your word of honour that you don't understand Scottish dialect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/robertburns/works/gie_the_lass_her_fairing/

If your scrund is very firmly rooted and not easy to be undone, you may click on this:

http://www.robertburns.org.uk/merrymuses.htm

and download the pdf file at the bottom of the page.

I am aware of the fact that if you had a scrund of me as a serious person, it is now safely unscrunded for good, but one has to make personal sacrifices for the sake of the truth.

Of course, I've posted all this only for scientific unscrunding purposes.

And,I have warned you, haven't I?
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Haha, why thank you. Although, according to the motion picture industry, I was old enough for harsh language at seventeen. At 18, I could smoke, vote, join the army, get married without parental consent, and become involved in the pornographic industry. This year, the only added privelage is drinking, that I know of...

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