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Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I heard a very interesting theory tonight on why smoking in a public place should be allowed again. Where and why?
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Just in one public place, then?

Would it be indoors? outdoors?
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Just in one public place, then? only one that is relevant to this puzzle

Would it be indoors? yes outdoors?
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Do lots of people usually gather there?

Waiting for something?

Is the place related to:
- Health?
- Transportation?
- Education?
- Shopping?
- Crime?
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Do lots of people usually gather there? yes

Waiting for something? no

Is the place related to:
- Health?
- Transportation? yes
- Education?
- Shopping?
- Crime?
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Means of transportation?

If so, buses? Trains? Underground? Taxis? Boats? Planes?
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Means of transportation? yes

If so, buses? Trains? Underground? Taxis? Boats? Planes? yes
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So the theory was that smoking on planes should be allowed again (yuck)?

And now we are to establish why, right?

To entertain people? To save money? (Possibly for food)?
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So the theory was that smoking on planes should be allowed again yes (yuck - totally agree)?

And now we are to establish why, right? yep

To entertain people? To save money? (Possibly for food)? none of these
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Would it be to the benefit of the airline companies? The passengers? The crew?
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Would it be to the benefit of the airline companies? The passengers? principally these The crew? although they would benefit too
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Would it increase their security? Make them feel more comfortable?
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Would it increase their security? no Make them feel more comfortable? yessish
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Is there any other relevant benefit?

Would it work only when airborne? In a hermetically closed area?
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Is there any other relevant benefit? only one, it was only a yessish to making them feel more comfortable: that needs exploring more

Would it work only when airborne? no In a hermetically closed area? this is relevant
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Fire/smoke alarm relevant?
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Fire/smoke alarm relevant? no
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Does smoke kill germs? Did someone think fewer people would get sick from traveling on airplanes if people were smoking?
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By smoking, you mean a common cigarette? Made from tobacco?

Would smoking be safer than it was before? Would smoking make it safer somehow to be on the plane?

Would there be a relevant effect on the passengers? On the crew? Only the ones who smoke, or everyone in the plane (or in the passenger compartment)?

Would the effect be useful to the airlines? Profitable?
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Does smoke kill germs? no Did someone think fewer people would get sick from traveling on airplanes if people were smoking? yes

By smoking, you mean a common cigarette? Made from tobacco? yes, yes

Would smoking be safer than it was before? no Would smoking make it safer somehow to be on the plane? yes

Would there be a relevant effect on the passengers? yes On the crew? yes Only the ones who smoke, or everyone in the plane (or in the passenger compartment)? everyone

Would the effect be useful to the airlines? debatable Profitable? again, debatable
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Hmm, if it was only the ones smoking, I would say that the germy air would be "filtered" through the cigarette, so the smokers wouldn't inhale the germs. But that doesn't explain how it would protect the nonsmokers, so that's not it, is it?
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Is deep vein thrombosis relevant? Would smoke affect peoples circulation and nullify the risk on long haul flights?
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Hmm, if it was only the ones smoking, I would say that the germy air would be "filtered" through the cigarette, so the smokers wouldn't inhale the germs. But that doesn't explain how it would protect the nonsmokers, so that's not it, is it? you're quite right - that's not it :-)

Is deep vein thrombosis relevant? no Would smoke affect peoples circulation and nullify the risk on long haul flights? no
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Anything to do with calming people who are afraid of flying. I'm a smoker and an aviaphobe so I'd love to light up on a plane .
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Anything to do with smokers being denied cigarettes for prolonged periods, and therefore more high-strung and prone to, I don't know, irrational behavior?
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Would the benefit be monetary? physically? morally?
Would non-smokers benefit more than smokers?
Would the passengers benefit from lower ticket prices? as if smoking was allowed the smokers would buy cigarettes in the plane? and this additional income would airlines help to keep ticket prices low?
Would it make a difference whether the passengers smoke cigarette? cigar? pipe?
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I think I know this one - did you hear the theory from Stephen Fry?
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Anything to do with calming people who are afraid of flying. I'm a smoker and an aviaphobe so I'd love to light up on a plane . no


Anything to do with smokers being denied cigarettes for prolonged periods, and therefore more high-strung and prone to, I don't know, irrational behavior? no

Would the benefit be monetary? physically? this one morally?
Would non-smokers benefit more than smokers? no
Would the passengers benefit from lower ticket prices? as if smoking was allowed the smokers would buy cigarettes in the plane? and this additional income would airlines help to keep ticket prices low? none of these
Would it make a difference whether the passengers smoke cigarette? cigar? pipe? no

I think I know this one - did you hear the theory from Stephen Fry? no, but my friend may have. Everyone is on their honour not to Google if they want to carry on - but if this grinds to a halt I will spoyle if necessary
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would the smoke benefit be direct? indirect (such as triggering water sprinklers, although this would probably not happen on a plane)?
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would the smoke benefit be direct? indirect (such as triggering water sprinklers, although this would probably not happen on a plane)? no to both
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so the benefit would not be from the smoke, right?

Would it then stem from the fact the smokers hold a cigarette in their mouths? Cannot eat/drink/do something different? The effects of nicotine?
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so the benefit would not be from the smoke, right? not directly, no

Would it then stem from the fact the smokers hold a cigarette in their mouths? Cannot eat/drink/do something different? The effects of nicotine? none of these
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Would it make somebody do something? Prevent somebody from doing something?
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Would it make somebody do something? this is closest Prevent somebody from doing something?
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Somebody on the plane? If so, the crew? the passengers?
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Would it make fewer people want to fly? (i.e., non-smokers would stay off), so the flyers left would have more room?
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Would it make fewer people want to fly? (i.e., non-smokers would stay off), so the flyers left would have more room? nope
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the smokers do something? ...not do something?

Would it make non-smokers do something? ... not do something?
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Darn it, I tried to cancel the post, missed it... The beginning of the first question should be: "Would it make..."
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Would it make the smokers do something? ...not do something?

Would it make non-smokers do something? ... not do something?

no to all
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Would smokers and non-smokers benefit equally?
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you omitted my question from 7.07... please :-))
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Somebody on the plane? If so, the crew? the passengers?

Sorry I missed this. I presume you meant would somebody on the plane (crew or passengers) do or be prevented from doing something. In which case no

Would smokers and non-smokers benefit equally? yes
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Is the idea that, if people smoke on the plane, it would be required to replace the cabin air more often to get the smoke out? and this would also reduce the germs circulating in the air?

(however: although I understand that replacing the air costs money .. it has to be heated and pressurized .. I can't imagine that it costs more than cleaning up ashtrays, mending toilets clogged by cigarette stubs, replacing the seat covering, the flight attendant's dress, the carpets every two months, not to talk about the risk of fire .. but, maybe, the airlines are calculating differently)
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Is the idea that, if people smoke on the plane, it would be required to replace the cabin air more often to get the smoke out? and this would also reduce the germs circulating in the air?

********** SPOILER *************

The theory as outlined above.


Thank you one and all.
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Thank you, nice puzzle.

However, I'd rather opt for the germs :-))
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I'm not so sure. I loathe the smoke but I went to Hong Kong last year and was fine for the duration of the holiday but had the weirdest lung infection afterwards which my doctor said was probably due to something picked up on the long haul flight - just a theory but a strongly held one.
And now my daughter out there has been confirmed that she has swine flu. As a country, most of Hong Kong is fanatical about hygiene as a lesson learnt from SARS and this is soon after her flying back there.
Why can't the airlines just carry on cleaning the air like before and not allow smoking at the same time? That would be a win win situation.
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Sorry to hear that. I hope that she will get well soon.
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Thank you - she's normally healthy with no underlying health problems, so she should be able to ride it out.

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