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Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4054 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:13 pm: |      |
I heard a very interesting theory tonight on why smoking in a public place should be allowed again. Where and why? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 834 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:28 pm: |      |
Just in one public place, then? Would it be indoors? outdoors? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4055 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:30 pm: |      |
Just in one public place, then? only one that is relevant to this puzzle Would it be indoors? yes outdoors? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 835 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:35 pm: |      |
Do lots of people usually gather there? Waiting for something? Is the place related to: - Health? - Transportation? - Education? - Shopping? - Crime? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4057 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:36 pm: |      |
Do lots of people usually gather there? yes Waiting for something? no Is the place related to: - Health? - Transportation? yes - Education? - Shopping? - Crime? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 837 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:45 pm: |      |
Means of transportation? If so, buses? Trains? Underground? Taxis? Boats? Planes? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4058 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:48 pm: |      |
Means of transportation? yes If so, buses? Trains? Underground? Taxis? Boats? Planes? yes |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 838 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:51 pm: |      |
So the theory was that smoking on planes should be allowed again (yuck)? And now we are to establish why, right? To entertain people? To save money? (Possibly for food)? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4061 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:55 pm: |      |
So the theory was that smoking on planes should be allowed again yes (yuck - totally agree)? And now we are to establish why, right? yep To entertain people? To save money? (Possibly for food)? none of these |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 840 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:58 pm: |      |
Would it be to the benefit of the airline companies? The passengers? The crew? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4062 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:00 pm: |      |
Would it be to the benefit of the airline companies? The passengers? principally these The crew? although they would benefit too |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 841 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:01 pm: |      |
Would it increase their security? Make them feel more comfortable? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4063 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:02 pm: |      |
Would it increase their security? no Make them feel more comfortable? yessish |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 843 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:07 pm: |      |
Is there any other relevant benefit? Would it work only when airborne? In a hermetically closed area? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4065 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:10 pm: |      |
Is there any other relevant benefit? only one, it was only a yessish to making them feel more comfortable: that needs exploring more Would it work only when airborne? no In a hermetically closed area? this is relevant |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 844 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:19 pm: |      |
Fire/smoke alarm relevant? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4066 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:20 pm: |      |
Fire/smoke alarm relevant? no |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 345 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 1:07 am: |      |
Does smoke kill germs? Did someone think fewer people would get sick from traveling on airplanes if people were smoking? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 1333 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 3:45 am: |      |
By smoking, you mean a common cigarette? Made from tobacco? Would smoking be safer than it was before? Would smoking make it safer somehow to be on the plane? Would there be a relevant effect on the passengers? On the crew? Only the ones who smoke, or everyone in the plane (or in the passenger compartment)? Would the effect be useful to the airlines? Profitable? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4068 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 8:14 am: |      |
Does smoke kill germs? no Did someone think fewer people would get sick from traveling on airplanes if people were smoking? yes By smoking, you mean a common cigarette? Made from tobacco? yes, yes Would smoking be safer than it was before? no Would smoking make it safer somehow to be on the plane? yes Would there be a relevant effect on the passengers? yes On the crew? yes Only the ones who smoke, or everyone in the plane (or in the passenger compartment)? everyone Would the effect be useful to the airlines? debatable Profitable? again, debatable |
Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel
Post Number: 350 Registered: 7-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 1:43 pm: |      |
Hmm, if it was only the ones smoking, I would say that the germy air would be "filtered" through the cigarette, so the smokers wouldn't inhale the germs. But that doesn't explain how it would protect the nonsmokers, so that's not it, is it? |
Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365
Post Number: 2085 Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 1:52 pm: |      |
Is deep vein thrombosis relevant? Would smoke affect peoples circulation and nullify the risk on long haul flights? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4070 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 2:06 pm: |      |
Hmm, if it was only the ones smoking, I would say that the germy air would be "filtered" through the cigarette, so the smokers wouldn't inhale the germs. But that doesn't explain how it would protect the nonsmokers, so that's not it, is it? you're quite right - that's not it :-) Is deep vein thrombosis relevant? no Would smoke affect peoples circulation and nullify the risk on long haul flights? no |
Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365
Post Number: 2086 Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 2:37 pm: |      |
Anything to do with calming people who are afraid of flying. I'm a smoker and an aviaphobe so I'd love to light up on a plane . |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat
Post Number: 348 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 3:04 pm: |      |
Anything to do with smokers being denied cigarettes for prolonged periods, and therefore more high-strung and prone to, I don't know, irrational behavior? |
Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino
Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 3:38 pm: |      |
Would the benefit be monetary? physically? morally? Would non-smokers benefit more than smokers? Would the passengers benefit from lower ticket prices? as if smoking was allowed the smokers would buy cigarettes in the plane? and this additional income would airlines help to keep ticket prices low? Would it make a difference whether the passengers smoke cigarette? cigar? pipe? |
Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm
Post Number: 1724 Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 5:06 pm: |      |
I think I know this one - did you hear the theory from Stephen Fry? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4071 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 6:23 pm: |      |
Anything to do with calming people who are afraid of flying. I'm a smoker and an aviaphobe so I'd love to light up on a plane . no Anything to do with smokers being denied cigarettes for prolonged periods, and therefore more high-strung and prone to, I don't know, irrational behavior? no Would the benefit be monetary? physically? this one morally? Would non-smokers benefit more than smokers? no Would the passengers benefit from lower ticket prices? as if smoking was allowed the smokers would buy cigarettes in the plane? and this additional income would airlines help to keep ticket prices low? none of these Would it make a difference whether the passengers smoke cigarette? cigar? pipe? no I think I know this one - did you hear the theory from Stephen Fry? no, but my friend may have. Everyone is on their honour not to Google if they want to carry on - but if this grinds to a halt I will spoyle if necessary |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 851 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 6:28 pm: |      |
would the smoke benefit be direct? indirect (such as triggering water sprinklers, although this would probably not happen on a plane)? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4072 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 6:36 pm: |      |
would the smoke benefit be direct? indirect (such as triggering water sprinklers, although this would probably not happen on a plane)? no to both |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 852 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 6:41 pm: |      |
so the benefit would not be from the smoke, right? Would it then stem from the fact the smokers hold a cigarette in their mouths? Cannot eat/drink/do something different? The effects of nicotine? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4073 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 6:54 pm: |      |
so the benefit would not be from the smoke, right? not directly, no Would it then stem from the fact the smokers hold a cigarette in their mouths? Cannot eat/drink/do something different? The effects of nicotine? none of these |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 854 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:01 pm: |      |
Would it make somebody do something? Prevent somebody from doing something? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4074 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:05 pm: |      |
Would it make somebody do something? this is closest Prevent somebody from doing something? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 855 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:07 pm: |      |
Somebody on the plane? If so, the crew? the passengers? |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat
Post Number: 351 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:09 pm: |      |
Would it make fewer people want to fly? (i.e., non-smokers would stay off), so the flyers left would have more room? |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4075 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:13 pm: |      |
Would it make fewer people want to fly? (i.e., non-smokers would stay off), so the flyers left would have more room? nope |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat
Post Number: 352 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:20 pm: |      |
the smokers do something? ...not do something? Would it make non-smokers do something? ... not do something? |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat
Post Number: 353 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:21 pm: |      |
Darn it, I tried to cancel the post, missed it... The beginning of the first question should be: "Would it make..." |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4076 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:28 pm: |      |
Would it make the smokers do something? ...not do something? Would it make non-smokers do something? ... not do something? no to all |
Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat
Post Number: 354 Registered: 8-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 7:47 pm: |      |
Would smokers and non-smokers benefit equally? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 856 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 8:20 pm: |      |
you omitted my question from 7.07... please :-)) |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4077 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 9:06 pm: |      |
Somebody on the plane? If so, the crew? the passengers? Sorry I missed this. I presume you meant would somebody on the plane (crew or passengers) do or be prevented from doing something. In which case no Would smokers and non-smokers benefit equally? yes |
Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino
Post Number: 66 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 11:03 am: |      |
Is the idea that, if people smoke on the plane, it would be required to replace the cabin air more often to get the smoke out? and this would also reduce the germs circulating in the air? (however: although I understand that replacing the air costs money .. it has to be heated and pressurized .. I can't imagine that it costs more than cleaning up ashtrays, mending toilets clogged by cigarette stubs, replacing the seat covering, the flight attendant's dress, the carpets every two months, not to talk about the risk of fire .. but, maybe, the airlines are calculating differently) |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4078 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 11:29 am: |      |
Is the idea that, if people smoke on the plane, it would be required to replace the cabin air more often to get the smoke out? and this would also reduce the germs circulating in the air? ********** SPOILER ************* The theory as outlined above. Thank you one and all. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 863 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 11:32 am: |      |
Thank you, nice puzzle. However, I'd rather opt for the germs :-)) |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4079 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 11:45 am: |      |
I'm not so sure. I loathe the smoke but I went to Hong Kong last year and was fine for the duration of the holiday but had the weirdest lung infection afterwards which my doctor said was probably due to something picked up on the long haul flight - just a theory but a strongly held one. And now my daughter out there has been confirmed that she has swine flu. As a country, most of Hong Kong is fanatical about hygiene as a lesson learnt from SARS and this is soon after her flying back there. Why can't the airlines just carry on cleaning the air like before and not allow smoking at the same time? That would be a win win situation. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 864 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 1:22 pm: |      |
Sorry to hear that. I hope that she will get well soon. |
Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne
Post Number: 4082 Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 1:44 pm: |      |
Thank you - she's normally healthy with no underlying health problems, so she should be able to ride it out. |