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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 7:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wonder if they knew who they were fighting.
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The Stuarts relevant? The Jacobites?

LTPF list of centuries, if you please?
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The Stuarts relevant? The Jacobites? Yes to both.

LTPF list of centuries, if you please? 20th.
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they = they?

fighting: in a war? If so: WW I? WW II? After WW II? Before WW I?
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they = they? Yes.

fighting: in a war? Yes. If so: WW I? This. WW II? After WW II? Before WW I?
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Are they soldiers? Fighting other soldiers?

Are they British? If so: Scottish? English?
If not: French? German? Austrian? US-American? Russian?
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Are they soldiers? Fighting other soldiers? Yes to both.

Are they British? Yes. If so: Scottish? Yes. English?
If not: French? German? Austrian? US-American? Russian?
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The Stuarts and the Jacobites relevant as a name (eg of a regiment or another group of soldiers)? As a secret code? As a reference? As something similar to the Jacobite wars which happened during the WWI?
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The Stuarts and the Jacobites relevant as a name (eg of a regiment or another group of soldiers)? No. As a secret code? No. As a reference? Explain. As something similar to the Jacobite wars which happened during the WWI? No.
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Forget the "reference" thing, it was mostly covered by my last question

Was there any relation whatsoever between our Scottish soldiers and the Jacobites/the Stuarts?
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Forget the "reference" thing, it was mostly covered by my last question

Was there any relation whatsoever between our Scottish soldiers and the Jacobites/the Stuarts? Yes, for svv of relation.
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Are the Scottish soldiers fighting for Britain?

Now about the soldiers they are fighting ("the others"):

Are the others in fact soldiers of the enemy? Fighting for Germany? Austria?

Have the others any special connection to Scotland? England? The Jacobites?

Bonnie Prince Charly relevant? Cumberland? Glencoe?
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Are the Scottish soldiers fighting for Britain? Yes.

Now about the soldiers they are fighting ("the others"):

Are the others in fact soldiers of the enemy? Yes. Fighting for Germany? This. Austria?

Have the others any special connection to Scotland? No. England? Yes. The Jacobites? Yes, for svv of 'others.'

Bonnie Prince Charly relevant? Yes. Cumberland? Glencoe? No to both.
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Has the other's connection to England to do with the House of Hanover? The territory of Hanover?

If the Scottish soldiers knew who they were fighting, might this have strengthened their will to fight? Impaired it?
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Has the other's connection to England to do with the House of Hanover? No. The territory of Hanover? No.

If the Scottish soldiers knew who they were fighting, might this have strengthened their will to fight? Impaired it? Possibly this.
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If the Scottish soldiers knew they were fighting Germans (they were Germans, weren't they?) would they have been reluctant to fight because the Germans had helped them back in the Jacobite wars?
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If the Scottish soldiers knew they were fighting Germans (they were Germans, weren't they?) would they have been reluctant to fight because the Germans had helped them back in the Jacobite wars? Not this.
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OK. So, if the Scottish soldiers knew they were fighting Germans, they would have been reluctant to fight. Correct?

If so, would it be because Germans were enemies to England, and the Scots considered England their enemy, too? Along the line "the enemy of my enemy is actually my friend"?
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OK. So, if the Scottish soldiers knew they were fighting Germans, they would have been reluctant to fight. Correct? FA.

If so, would it be because Germans were enemies to England, and the Scots considered England their enemy, too? Along the line "the enemy of my enemy is actually my friend"? No to all.
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Were the Scottish fighting Germans at all?
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Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 1:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the Scottish fighting Germans at all? Yes.
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Is something the other soldiers' unit did in the past relevant? Ancestors of some of the soldiers? Some of the soldiers themselves?
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Is something the other soldiers' unit did in the past relevant? No. Ancestors of some of the soldiers? Possibly. Some of the soldiers themselves? No.
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Is it about that ancestors of some of the soldiers may have helped Bonnie Prince Charlie in some way?
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Is it about that ancestors of some of the soldiers may have helped Bonnie Prince Charlie in some way? Hmm, I seem to have made a BLOOPER here. You mean German soldiers? The answer above should not be possibly, but Yes. The answer to your newest question is No.
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So ancestors of some of the German soldiers did something relevant.

Did the relevant action happen in the 19th century? 18th? 17th? Earlier? Did it happen in Scotland? England? Wales? Ireland? Germany? Austria? France? Belgium? The Netherlands? Another European country? Another continent? On sea?

Were the ancestors in question also soldiers? Did the relevant action consist of fighting?

Is it relevant that the Scottish and German soldiers may have common ancestors?
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So ancestors of some of the German soldiers did something relevant. Noish, possible FA.

Did the relevant action Hard to call it this. happen in the 19th century? 18th? 17th? Earlier? All of these. Did it happen in Scotland? England? Wales? Ireland? Germany? This. Austria? This. France? This. Belgium? The Netherlands? Another European country? This. Another continent? On sea?

Were the ancestors in question also soldiers? Some of them - irr. Did the relevant action consist of fighting? No. FA.

Is it relevant that the Scottish and German soldiers may have common ancestors? Yes.
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Do some of the German soldiers have common ancestors with Bonnie Prince Charlie?

Is Poland one of the relevant European Countries?
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Do some of the German soldiers have common ancestors with Bonnie Prince Charlie? Yes.

Is Poland one of the relevant European Countries? No.
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Would the Scottish be reluctant if they knew they were killing their own (although distant) relatives?
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Is it possible that one of the German soldiers might be King of the United Kingdom if Bonnie Prince Charlie had succeeded in his attempt to claim the throne?
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Is it possible that one of the German soldiers might be King of the United Kingdom if Bonnie Prince Charlie had succeeded in his attempt to claim the throne? Yes.

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Crown Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria, one of the better German commanders of WWI, was directly descended from Charles I of England, and was thus pretender to the British throne according to the Jacobite succession (which was overthrown by the Glorious Revolution of 1688.) He was not descended from Bonnie Prince Charlie, but he held the same position.

Tens of thousands of Scottish Highlanders charged the positions held by his armies during the war. A high proportion of them were killed. I wonder if they knew who was in command against them, as they played pro-Jacobite tunes on the pipes on their way to battle.
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Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, now THAT was a good lateral one! Thanks, Jenburdoo!
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And another interesting piece of history learned by solving lateral puzzles... thank you!

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