| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4763 Registered: 8-2001 |
When Ned learned that his sister was dying, he decided to become a used-car salesman. How come? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1005 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was he hoping to find a particular used car? Was his sister injured in a car accident? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 931 Registered: 7-2001 |
were his intentions good towards her? bad? criminal? immoral? devious? altruistic? self interested? for some one else's benefit? did he hope to prevent her from dying? to ease her dying? to help her live longer? to remove pain? to get revenge? to speed her death? inheritance relevant? medical negligence? euthanasia? relevant what she was dying of? a disease? cancer? following trauma? following a crime? was she already undergoing a medical process that would result in her death? or did he just know that she was likely to die at a particular point in time? is there any other job that he could take up that would serve the same purpose? is it relevant that the job mentioned is one where the person is not really trusted? that it is associated with 'shady dealing'? could he equally have become a teacher? a policeman? a shop assistant? a newspaper vendor? a realtor? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4765 Registered: 8-2001 |
Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4763 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 9:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) When Ned learned that his sister was dying, he decided to become a used-car salesman. How come? Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1005 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 9:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was he hoping to find a particular used car? no Was his sister injured in a car accident? irrel Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 931 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 9:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) were his intentions good towards her? no bad? yesish criminal? yesishimmoral? yesish devious? yesishaltruistic? noself interested? yes for some one else's benefit? no did he hope to prevent her from dying? no to ease her dying? no to help her live longer? noto remove pain? no to get revenge? no to speed her death? no inheritance relevant? yes medical negligence? no euthanasia? no relevant what she was dying of? no a disease? cancer? following trauma? following a crime? was she already undergoing a medical process that would result in her death? irrel or did he just know that she was likely to die at a particular point in time irrel is there any other job that he could take up that would serve the same purpose?yes is it relevant that the job mentioned is one where the person is not really trusted? no that it is associated with 'shady dealing'? no could he equally have become a teacher? no a policeman? no a shop assistant? no a newspaper vendor? no a realtor?no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1434 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the amount of time he would have to train for this position have any relevance? Anyone besides he and his sister relevant? Is his sister aware of his plan? Is the fatal nature of his sister's condition relevant? If she was merely mildly? seriously? ill would he have come to the same conclusion? Does he expect (someone else?) to inherit something? From his sister? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 932 Registered: 7-2001 |
did he hope to gain financially? illegally? would he have legally inherited something of value from his sister? did he do this to ensure he got his inheritance? to get something more? to get something from her will that he would not otherwise have got? did he do this to fulfil a condition of her will? to pretend that he was fulfilling a condition? was anyone else relevant going to inherit from her? did he want to disinherit someone else? is any other member of the family relevant? her spouse? was she married? relevant? did she have kids? relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he expect to inherit cars from his sister? Other property which enables him to start a business as a used-cars salesman? Did he have the idea to set up such a business before he learned his sister was dying? Would his sister be against him opening such a business? Did he refrain from opening a business with regard to his sister? Is someone else (besides himself and his sister) relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4767 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1434 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 10:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the amount of time he would have to train for this position have any relevance? yes Anyone besides he and his sister relevant?yes Is his sister aware of his plan? irrel Is the fatal nature of his sister's condition relevant? yesIf she was merely mildly? no seriously? no ill would he have come to the same conclusion? no Does he expect (someone else?no to inherit something? yes From his sister? yes Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 932 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 10:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he hope to gain financially? yes illegally? yesish would he have legally inherited something of value from his sister? yes did he do this to ensure he got his inheritance? yes to get something more?yesish to get something from her will that he would not otherwise have got? yes did he do this to fulfil a condition of her will? yesto pretend that he was fulfilling a condition? no was anyone else relevant going to inherit from her? yes did he want to disinherit someone else? yesis any other member of the family relevant? yes her spouse? yeswas she married? yes relevant? yesdid she have kids? norelevant? yes Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 10:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does he expect to inherit cars from his sister? no Other property which enables him to start a business as a used-cars salesman? no Did he have the idea to set up such a business before he learned his sister was dying? no Would his sister be against him opening such a business? yopeDid he refrain from opening a business with regard to his sister? no Is someone else (besides himself and his sister) relevant? yes | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 599 Registered: 6-2003 |
So the relevant people determined thusfar are Ned, his sister, her husband - and also the fact that they don't have kids. Is anyone else relevant? ` Was he unemployed before deciding to become a used-car salesman? Would this be his first job? Is it relevant what his sister is dying from? Is there any way in which his going for the job might indirectly hasten her death? Prevent her from having children? Split up the relationship between her and her husband? Disinherit her husband from her will? You said that he was going for the job to fulfil a clause in his sister's will. Has this clause got anything to do with him getting a job? A specific kind of job? Getting an education? Is the clause of the form of: "If I have kids, they get x; and if I don't have kids, x goes to my brother"? "My brother must be/have x in order to get y"? "My husband must be/have x (or not be/have x?) in order to get y"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4772 Registered: 8-2001 |
Logician (Logician) New member Username: Logician Post Number: 599 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 12:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the relevant people determined thusfar are Ned, his sister, her husband - and also the fact that they don't have kids. Is anyone else relevant? no` Was he unemployed before deciding to become a used-car salesman? irrel Would this be his first job? ditto Is it relevant what his sister is dying from? no Is there any way in which his going for the job might indirectly hasten her death?no Prevent her from having children? noSplit up the relationship between her and her husband? yesishDisinherit her husband from her will? yesish You said that he was going for the job to fulfil a clause in his sister's will. Has this clause got anything to do with him getting a job? no A specific kind of job? no Getting an education? no Is the clause of the form of: "If I have kids, they get x; and if I don't have kids, x goes to my brother"? no"My brother must be/have x in order to get y"? no"My husband must be/have x (or not be/have x?) in order to get y"? no | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1019 Registered: 11-2008 |
If Ned succeeds, will something relevant happen to his brother-in-law other than being disinherited? Relevant what kind of inheritance we are talking about? Does the clause in her will relate directly to Ned? Her husband? Is it a condition someone must comply with? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4774 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1019 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 9:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If Ned succeeds, will something relevant happen to his brother-in-law other than being disinherited? yes Relevant what kind of inheritance we are talking about? no Does the clause in her will relate directly to Ned? yesHer husband? yesIs it a condition someone must comply with? yesish | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2008 |
Will the brother-in-law go in prison? Did the relevant clause in her will go along he line "If Ned does something/does not do something, he'll get X? Same for her husband? Were either Ned, his sister or her brother involved in some criminal activities? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4777 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Will the brother-in-law go in prison?Do you mean the sister's husband? If so, no Did the relevant clause in her will go along he line "If Ned does something/does not do something, he'll get X? yes Same for her husband? yes Were either Ned yes, his sister no or her brother Do you meran her husband? If so, the answer is noinvolved in some criminal activities? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1055 Registered: 11-2008 |
Ok, let it be the husband, then :-)) If Ned succeeds, would the husband be dead? Does Ned want the husband dead because he would become the sole heir? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4780 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1055 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ok, let it be the husband, then :-)) If Ned succeeds, would the husband be dead? yesDoes Ned want the husband dead because he would become the sole heir? yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1057 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would Ned kill the husband himself? Would he do something to a car which would result in the husband's death? Does Ned want to learn how a car works? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4782 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1057 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would Ned kill the husband himself? yes Would he do something to a car which would result in the husband's death?yope Does Ned want to learn how a car works? no | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1058 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would a car be involved in the husband's death? Is the husband supposed to be killed in a car accident? If so, would Ned/the husband be in the car? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4783 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1058 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would a car be involved in the husband's death? yope or noish Is the husband supposed to be killed in a car accident? no If so, would Ned/the husband be in the car?N/A | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 934 Registered: 7-2001 |
does ned want to sell the brother in law a car? buy one from him? does he want a way to alter a car? hide a car? want an alibi? want a reason for driving a particular car? or several cars? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1461 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the husband work in the automobile industry? If the husband never learned of Ned's intention to be a used-car-salesman, would this change anything? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4784 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1461 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 3:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the husband work in the automobile industry? irrel If the husband never learned of Ned's intention to be a used-car-salesman, would this change anything? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 935 Registered: 7-2001 |
you didn't answer my questions.... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4787 Registered: 8-2001 |
doc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 934 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does ned want to sell the brother in law a car? nobuy one from him? no does he want a way to alter a car? no hide a car? no want an alibi? nowant a reason for driving a particular car? noor several cars? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4788 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 935 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 9:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) you didn't answer my questions.... Rectified, with my deepest apologies!! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 938 Registered: 7-2001 |
sooooo... if Ned did not do the illegal thing he and the husband would have shared the inheritance - correct? the husband would have got more? got it all? so Ned decides to kill the husband? or have him killed? or cause him to die in some way? and Ned decides to set up as a used car salesman in order to make this illegal act possible? easier? to ensure he doesn't get caught? doesn't get charged? doesn't get found guilty? by becoming a UCS does Ned enable the murder to take place? does Ned become a UCS before the husband dies? afterwards? before the sister dies? after? relevant? if there are other jobs he could have taken up with the same effect do they all involve being self-employed? all salesmen? all involve cars? all involve selling secondhand things? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4789 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 938 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 8:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) sooooo... if Ned did not do the illegal thing he and the husband would have shared the inheritance - correct?possibly the husband would have got more? ditto got it all? ditto so Ned decides to kill the husband? yes or have him killed? no or cause him to die in some way? see previous answer buit one and Ned decides to set up as a used car salesman in order to make this illegal act possible? noeasier? yesto ensure he doesn't get caught? yesish doesn't get charged? see previous answer doesn't get found guilty? see previous answer but one by becoming a UCS does Ned enable the murder to take place? no does Ned become a UCS before the husband dies? yes afterwards? nobefore the sister dies? yesafter? no relevant? yes if there are other jobs he could have taken up with the same effect do they all involve being self-employed? no all salesmen? noall involve cars? yesall involve selling secondhand things? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 939 Registered: 7-2001 |
so it was necessary for Ned's plan that he become a UCS before his sister dies - is this because it would look suspicious if he did it afterwards? because he needed her alive at this point? because he needed her to know he was a UCS? needed her to respond to him becoming a UCS? did he sell her a car? give her a car? would this equally work for him if he got a job as a chauffeur? in a car wash? as a salesman for new cars? as a mechanic? For the following questions I'm assuming the husband dies - is that OK? relevant how the husband dies? as a result of an apparent accident? was he poisoned? shot? hit? made to fall? cut in some way? crushed? asphyxiated? did it appear to be natursal causes? or was it obviously murder? but Ned did not appear to be guilty? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 516 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he use one of the used cars to hide the body? To transport the body? To kill the husband? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4792 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 939 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 8:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) so it was necessary for Ned's plan that he become a UCS before his sister dies - is this because it would look suspicious if he did it afterwards? no because he needed her alive at this point? yes because he needed her to know he was a UCS? noneeded her to respond to him becoming a UCS? no did he sell her a car? nogive her a car? no would this equally work for him if he got a job as a chauffeur? no in a car wash? no as a salesman for new cars? possibly as a mechanic? ditto For the following questions I'm assuming the husband dies - is that OK? yesish relevant how the husband dies? some methods are precludedas a result of an apparent accident? was he poisoned? shot? hit? made to fall? cut in some way? crushed? asphyxiated?all the ones you mention are possible did it appear to be natursal causes? probably notor was it obviously murder? more likely but Ned did not appear to be guilty? yes Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 516 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 12:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he use one of the used cars to hide the body? no To transport the body? noTo kill the husband? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 534 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is a used car used to create an alibi? Does some aspect of the business create an alibi? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4796 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 534 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 8:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is a used car used to create an alibi? no or maybe noish Does some aspect of the business create an alibi?see previous answer | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1070 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would Ned physically need a car to kill his brother-in-law? Would he need it indirectly? As a pretext? (e.g. to get an alibi)? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 439 Registered: 8-2009 |
Would being a UCS enable him to process paperwork (in a shady way) that he otherwise couldn't do? Is he interested in a particular car? If so, does the car have to do with the inheritance? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4798 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1070 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 6:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would Ned physically need a car to kill his brother-in-law? no Would he need it indirectly? no As a pretext? no or noish(e.g. to get an alibi)? ditto Dropofahat (Dropofahat) New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 439 Registered: 8-2009 Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 6:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would being a UCS enable him to process paperwork (in a shady way) that he otherwise couldn't do? no Is he interested in a particular car? no If so, does the car have to do with the inheritance? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1091 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does the object Ned is selling have to be a car? Is it important that: Ned is selling CARS? Ned is selling USED cars? Ned is SELLING something? Ned is employed at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4801 Registered: 8-2001 |
Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1091 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 9:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the object Ned is selling have to be a car? yes Is it important that: Ned is selling CARS? yes Ned is selling USED cars? no Ned is SELLING something? no Ned is employed at all? no | ||
| Scytale (Scytale)
New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2009 |
Does Ned need access to a car (or many cars) to dispose of the body (or other evidence of the murder) ? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1100 Registered: 11-2008 |
Will the brother-in-law ever come into a direct contact with any of Ned's cars? If so, alive? Dead? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4802 Registered: 8-2001 |
Scytale (Scytale) New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 10:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Ned need access to a car (or many cars) to dispose of the body no(or other evidence of the murder) ? yesush or yope Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1100 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 10:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Will the brother-in-law ever come into a direct contact with any of Ned's cars? noIf so, alive? Dead? | ||
| Scytale (Scytale)
New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2009 |
Does Ned become a UCS because he wants access to car ownership/transfer details? Would Ned have to sell or buy a car for his plan to work? -before his sister's death? -before the husband is murdered? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4806 Registered: 8-2001 |
Scytale (Scytale) New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 3:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Ned become a UCS because he wants access to car ownership/transfer details? Would Ned have to sell or buy a car for his plan to work? no -before his sister's death? no -before the husband is murdered? no | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 407 Registered: 6-2009 |
Would it also work if he just had a friend who was a UCS and was willing to lend him a set of car keys? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4809 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 407 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 6:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would it also work if he just had a friend who was a UCS and was willing to lend him a set of car keys? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 588 Registered: 7-2009 |
During any time relating to the act of murder (including any travel to and from the act, cleanup from it, etc.), in order to carry out his plan... Did Ned need to drive a car? Did he need to use a car for some other purpose? Did he need to be a passenger in a car? Did another relevant person need to drive a car? Need to use a car? Need to be a passenger in a car? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4810 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 588 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 6:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) During any time relating to the act of murder (including any travel to and from the act, cleanup from it, etc.), in order to carry out his plan... Did Ned need to drive a car? yesish Did he need to use a car for some other purpose? no Did he need to be a passenger in a car? noDid another relevant person need to drive a car? no Need to use a car? noNeed to be a passenger in a car? no | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 412 Registered: 6-2009 |
did he need to hide the body in the trunk? Was he hoping to frame someone else for the murder? Make it look like a suicide? An accident? Make it so no one would find the body? Make it so no one would even think he was dead? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4811 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 412 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 4:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he need to hide the body in the trunk? no Was he hoping to frame someone else for the murder? no Make it so no one would find the body? no Make it so no one would even think he was dead? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 615 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does he need to be seen in a car? Does he actually need to sell cars? or does he just need access to a car? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does he need access to places he would only have as a car salesman? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4813 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 615 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 2:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does he need to be seen in a car? no Does he actually need to sell cars? \b} no}or does he just need access to a car? yesish Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 6:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does he need access to places he would only have as a car salesman? yesish | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 314 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did Ned's sister mention the word car in her will? Did she refer to Ned's occupation? Did she refer to anyone's death (apart from possibly her own)? Ned needs to be "selling cars", but does he actually need to sell any car? A specific car? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4817 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 314 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 11:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Ned's sister mention the word car in her will? irrel Did she refer to Ned's occupation? no Did she refer to anyone's death (apart from possibly her own)? yes Ned needs to be "selling cars" see above, the issue is access to cars, not whether he actually sells any, but does he actually need to sell any car? no A specific car? no | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did Ned's sister mention the death of her husband in her will? That her husband would inherit her unless he is dead? Did Ned plan to use a car to kill his brother-in-law? Or to quickly get between two places? To get a (false) alibi? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 423 Registered: 6-2009 |
Okay, so Ned needs access to cars for some reason that relates to the murder of his brother-in-law. But he has to actually be a UCS, and not just get access to cars some other way. If he is successful in killing his brother, will it be vehicular homicide? If not, will his brother die from starvation? Lack of water? Poison? Electric Shock? Shooting? Stabbing? Blunt impact? Strangulation? Suffocation? Drowning? Fire? Lethal injection? Other? Is the body likely to be discovered? Is the cause of death likely to be discovered? Is the fact that his death was a murder likely to be discovered? Is Ned likely to be a suspect in said murder? Is the murder weapon (if applicable) likely to be found and/or traced to Ned? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4822 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 9:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Ned's sister mention the death of her husband in her will? yes That her husband would inherit her unless he is dead? yes Did Ned plan to use a car to kill his brother-in-law? see next answer Or to quickly get between two places? yesish To get a (false) alibi? no Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 423 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Okay, so Ned needs access to cars for some reason that relates to the murder of his brother-in-law. But he has to actually be a UCS, and not just get access to cars some other way. no. See above If he is successful in killing his brother, will it be vehicular homicide? noIf not, will his brother die from starvation? noLack of water? no Poison? unlikerly Electric Shock? possiblyShooting? ditto Stabbing? dotto Blunt impact ditto Strangulation? dittoSuffocation? dittoDrowning? ditto Fire? ditto Lethal injection? not legal execution or legal assisted suicide, if that's what you mean Other? possibly Is the body likely to be discovered? yesIs the cause of death likely to be discovered? yesIs the fact that his death was a murder likely to be discovered? yesIs Ned likely to be a suspect in said murder? yesIs the murder weapon (if applicable) likely to be found irreland/or traced to Ned?no | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 331 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did Ned's sister in practice just specify something like "My husband will inherit me, unless he's dead, then my brother will inherit me instead"? Or did she have some special conditions written in her will? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4823 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 331 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 7:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Ned's sister in practice just specify something like "My husband will inherit me, unless he's dead, then my brother will inherit me instead"? yesOr did she have some special conditions written in her will? yes Relevant? yes | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 744 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did she say that if her husband was dead, her brother would inherit as long as he didn't kill her husband? Did she mention a specific way that the husband might die? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 285 Registered: 10-2006 |
Is this related to some linguistic technicality/ambiguity/loophole in the wording of his sister's will? Is he exploiting a consequence of his sister's will which could probable have been foreseen by it's creatress? Or is it rather rather far-fetched? Will he need access to a car (several cars?) of which he won't be the owner at the time when/if he will need access to it/them? (For example, by keeping or copying reserve keys to cars which he sells as a car dealer?) Will he need access to specific content in some car/cars? If so, before...; at the time of...; after the murder of his sister's husband? Are the locations of some car/cars relevant? f so, before...; at the time of...; after the murder of his sister's husband? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 286 Registered: 10-2006 |
Will someone else than Ned be "dying for a car" at some moment? which car Ned will then provide? in exchange for something else? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4824 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 744 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she say that if her husband was dead, her brother would inherit as long as he didn't kill her husband? noDid she mention a specific way that the husband might die? no Mani (Mani) New member Username: Mani Post Number: 285 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 6:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is this related to some linguistic technicality/ambiguity/loophole in the wording of his sister's will?no or noish Is he exploiting a consequence of his sister's will which could probable have been foreseen by it's creatress? yesish Or is it rather rather far-fetched? no Will he need access to a car (several cars?) one of which he won't be the owner at the time when/if he will need access to it/them? yes(For example, by keeping or copying reserve keys to cars which he sells as a car dealer? no) Will he need access to specific content in some car/cars? If so, before...; at the time of...; after the murder of his sister's husband? Are the locations of some car/cars relevant? yes if so, before...; yesat the time of... yes; after the murder of his sister's husband? yes Mani (Mani) New member Username: Mani Post Number: 286 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 7:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Will someone else than Ned be "dying for a car" at some moment? yope which car Ned will then provide? noish in exchange for something else? no | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2006 |
Yope to "Will someone else than Ned be "dying for a car" at some moment?"... maybe if I rephrase or something... Will someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law be needing a car at some moment? Will someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law desire _access to_ a car at some moment? Will someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law wish to _drive_ a car at some moment? If yes to any of the above, which one of them -- his sister? or his brother-in-law? And, before or after the other one's death??? And (just to be sure...), before or after their own death??? Or will someone be dying "because of" a car? Or will someone die "in order to get a car"? Which will happen first (according to Ned's plans): the death of his sister? or the death (murder) of his brother-in-law? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4825 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mani (Mani) New member Username: Mani Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 6:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Yope to "Will someone else than Ned be "dying for a car" at some moment?"... maybe if I rephrase or something... Will someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law be needing a car at some moment? irrel Will someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law desire _access to_ a car at some moment? irrelWill someone(s) of Ned's sister and Ned's brother-in-law wish to _drive_ a car at some moment? irrel If yes to any of the above, which one of them -- his sister? or his brother-in-law? And, before or after the other one's death??? And (just to be sure...), before or after their own death??? Or will someone be dying "because of" a car? yesish Or will someone die "in order to get a car"? no Which will happen first (according to Ned's plans): the death of his sister? or the death (murder) of his brother-in-law?the latter | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4829 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Everyone is over-complicating this puzzle, which has a really simple solution! | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 288 Registered: 10-2006 |
Does the inheritage from Ned's sister include a car? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4830 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mani (Mani) New member Username: Mani Post Number: 288 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the inheritage from Ned's sister include a car? irrel Relevant? no | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 433 Registered: 6-2009 |
If Ned ends up killing his brother-in-law after his sister's death but before the reading of the will, will he still get the results he wants? Does his sister still need to be alive when her husband dies so that she can alter her will? If she finds out that Ned is her husband's murderer, will it matter to Ned's plans? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4835 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 433 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 8:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If Ned ends up killing his brother-in-law after his sister's death but before the reading of the will, will he still get the results he wants?no Does his sister still need to be alive when her husband dies yesso that she can alter her will no? If she finds out that Ned is her husband's murderer, will it matter to Ned's plans? probably RECAP (& ADDITIONAL HINT): Add the following to the puzzle statement: The sister's will splits her estate between Ned & her husband, & adds that if either predeceases her, the other gets the full estate. Ned is planning to murder his sister's husband before she dies. Ned becomes a used car salesman to have access to the cars, but not to hide the body. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 434 Registered: 6-2009 |
So is the significance of the order here just that if the brother-in-law dies after the sister, half her money will still go to his estate? Or is there a relevant action that the sister needs to take for Ned's plan to work? And presumably Ned does not plan to inherit the money from a prison cell? So does he hope that someone else will be accused? That he will get out of the charge on a technicality? That his sister will intervene on his behalf? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4837 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 434 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So is the significance of the order here just that if the brother-in-law dies after the sister, half her money will still go to his estate? yes Or is there a relevant action that the sister needs to take for Ned's plan to work? noAnd presumably Ned does not plan to inherit the money from a prison cell? yesSo does he hope that someone else will be accused? not necessarily That he will get out of the charge on a technicality?no That his sister will intervene on his behalf? no | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 342 Registered: 9-2008 |
Does Ned plan to kill his brother-in-law with a car? Is he planning a hit and run "accident"? Will he tamper with the brakes and then send his brother-in-law out for a test drive? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2006 |
Alibi relevant? Will he make use of his access to the cars (one car, rather) to construct a fake alibi? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4839 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 11:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 434 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So is the significance of the order here just that if the brother-in-law dies after the sister, half her money will still go to his estate? yes Or is there a relevant action that the sister needs to take for Ned's plan to work? noAnd presumably Ned does not plan to inherit the money from a prison cell? yesSo does he hope that someone else will be accused? not necessarily That he will get out of the charge on a technicality?no That his sister will intervene on his behalf? no Kaygee (Kaygee) New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 342 Registered: 9-2008 Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 4:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Ned plan to kill his brother-in-law with a car? no Is he planning a hit and run "accident"? no Will he tamper with the brakes and then send his brother-in-law out for a test drive? no Mani (Mani) New member Username: Mani Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 1:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Alibi relevant? noishWill he make use of his access to the cars (one car, rather) to construct a fake alibi? noish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 77 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does Ned need access to cars to be able to get close to the husband? Is the relationship between him and the husband relevant? Are they enemies? Is it important that Ned has access to a car that is not his? Will the car be damaged? Would he get caught if he was using his own car? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 367 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did Ned not have a car of his own? so he just needed a way to have access to a car when killing his BIL? Being a car salesman was an easy way to always have cars available? BTW, that acronym - BIL - I used for Brother-In-Law is the Swedish word for CAR... :-) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1241 Registered: 11-2008 |
Wait - is the distance between Ned and his BIL relevant? Does Ned need the car to get to his BIL? | ||
| Scytale (Scytale)
New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is the car Ned needs access to one that he will come into contact with while working as a UCS? Does the car need to be a particular type/make/model/colour? Is Ned planning to 'kill BIL' in the car he needs access to? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4847 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 77 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Ned need access to cars to be able to get close to the husband? yopeIs the relationship between him and the husband relevant? no Are they enemies? irrel Is it important that Ned has access to a car that is not his? yesWill the car be damaged? noWould he get caught if he was using his own car? Well, it would be a lot more likely Tommyp (Tommyp) New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 367 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:30 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Ned not have a car of his own? No, he does have a car of his ownso he just needed a way to have access to a car when killing his BIL? noish Being a car salesman was an easy way to always have cars available? yes BTW, that acronym - BIL - I used for Brother-In-Law is the Swedish word for CAR... :-) Alhucema (Alhucema) New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1241 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 6:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Wait - is the distance between Ned and his BIL relevant? yope Does Ned need the car to get to his BIL?possibly Scytale (Scytale) New member Username: Scytale Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 12:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the car Ned needs access to one that he will come into contact with while working as a UCS? yes Does the car need to be a particular type/make/model/colour? no Is Ned planning to 'kill BIL' in the car he needs access to? no This is close enough for me to declare a ******SPOILER ********************* Ned's sister is very rich but Ned is not. She once told him her will left half her fortune to her husband & half to Ned. When he learned that she was dying, he decided to double his inheritance by killing the husband before her death. He became a used car salesman to have access to cars that were not recognizably his & hence would not be recognized when he went to murder the husband. He would also be more likely to be identified on the street if he were on foot.This puzzle is adapted from a TV show & illustrates what a poor judge of difficulty I am--I thought it would be easy. I also think my new one will be hard. Please check it out!! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 873 Registered: 7-2009 |
I can see why you thought it would be easy. We skirted all around that idea for ages without asking what now seems was clearly the next most obvious question! |
