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Nimue (Nimue)
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Most Americans have a passive scrund about the American Presidency. But you don't have to be an American to have this scrund or to solve this puzzle.
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Is the scrund about:
Eligibility for being president?
Responsibilities of the president?
What the president is allowed to do?
What the president is not allowed to do?
Limitations of powers?
Term limits?
Voting?
Inauguration?
The current president? Past presidents? Future presidents? A specific president? Or all presidents past, present, and future?
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Noel (Noel)
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Is the scrund about:
Eligibility for being president? no
Responsibilities of the president? no
What the president is allowed to do? no
What the president is not allowed to do? no
Limitations of powers? no
Term limits? no
Voting? no
Inauguration?
The current president? noPast presidents? yesFuture presidents? no A specific president? yes Or all presidents past, present, and future? It could also be phrased to apply to all past presidents
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Relationships between presidents relevant?
Years in office?
Wars?
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What happens after the term(s) end?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 9:53 pm:
Relationships between presidents relevant? {no}
Years in office? no
Wars? no
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What happens after the term(s) end? no
Logician (Logician)
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Is it relevant that a former President, like Cleveland did, is able to run for a second term years after their first term has ended? Is it relevant that FDR served 4 terms as President, whereas constitutionally everyone after him has only been able to serve 2 terms?

You didn't answer the question, put by Noel, about whether their inauguration is relevant: is it?
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Is the scrund about elections? Is the scrund only about presidents, or could it apply to other American politicians? Presidents of other countries? Leaders of other countries?

If the scrund could apply to a single, specific president OR (with appropriate rephrasing) to all past presidents, does that mean we don't need to find the specific president to work out the scrund? If not, LTPF list of US presidents, please.

Is anyone besides the president(s) relevant? If so, 1 person? 2? More? Any particular location/area relevant? Any particular era of American history?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Is the scrund about elections? noIs the scrund only about presidents, or could it apply to other American politicians? I don't know of any other where it applies, but in principle it couldPresidents of other countries?{not that I know of Leaders of other countries? ditto

If the scrund could apply to a single, specific president OR (with appropriate rephrasing) to all past presidents, does that mean we don't need to find the specific president to work out the scrund? It would help If not, LTPF list of US presidents, please. Bill Clinton

Is anyone besides the president(s) relevant? yope If so, 1 person? 2? More? no fixed number Any particular location/area relevant? no Any particular era of American history? no
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Is political party relevant? Political influence?

I forget, is there a difference between normal scrunds and passive scrunds?

Relevant:

Appearance of the President?
Other jobs the President has held before becoming President? Since leaving the Presidency?
Family relations of the President?
Friends of the President?
Business relations of the president?
The President's political opponents? Or supporters? Or appointees? The vice-president? Electors? Voters?
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You didn't answer Logician's questions.

Is this scrund about Bill Clinton's scandal?
Does the scrund involve Clinton's policies? His history?
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Does it have anything to do with personal beliefs of past Presidents? Religion relevant?
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Impeachment relevant?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:49 pm:
Is it relevant that a former President, like Cleveland did, is able to run for a second term years after their first term has ended? noIs it relevant that FDR served 4 terms as President, whereas constitutionally everyone after him has only been able to serve 2 terms? no

You didn't answer the question, put by Noel, about whether their inauguration is relevant: sorry! is it? no
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You didn't answer lots of questions...
Is the scrund related to politics? To the president's personal life? To anyone besides the president? His affiliations? Could someone running for president have this scrund?
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Is political party relevant? no Political influence? no

I forget, is there a difference between normal scrunds and passive scrunds? Scrunds can be divided into active & passive. An active scrund involves a false belief you've thought about, such as my belief that Christian doctrine held that Jesus turned leopards back into men. A passive scrund involves something you've taken for granted but never actually thought about. You realize that you had a passive scrund when you learn a new fact that comes as a surprise.
Relevant:

Appearance of the President? yope
Other jobs the President has held before becoming President? noSince leaving the Presidency? no
Family relations of the President? yes
Friends of the President? no
Business relations of the president? no
The President's political opponents? noOr supporters? noOr appointees? noThe vice-president? noElectors? noVoters? no
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Is it relevant that a former President, like Cleveland did, is able to run for a second term years after their first term has ended? no Is it relevant that FDR served 4 terms as President, whereas constitutionally everyone after him has only been able to serve 2 terms? no

You didn't answer the question, put by Noel, about whether their inauguration is relevant Sorry!: is it? no
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You didn't answer Logician's questions. Done, with my apologies

Is this scrund about Bill Clinton's scandal? no
Does the scrund involve Clinton's policies? no His history? yope
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Does it have anything to do with personal beliefs of past Presidents?b{ no} Religion relevant? no
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Impeachment relevant? no
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You didn't answer lots of questions... Rectified, with my apologies
Is the scrund related to politics?yope or noish To the president's personal life? yope or noish To anyone besides the president? yes His affiliations? yopeCould someone running for president have this scrund? possibly
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Is his family relevant? His education? His career before becoming president? His career after being president?
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Is his family relevant? yesHis education? noHis career before becoming president? no His career after being president? no
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A specific family member? If so...
His wife? A parent? Both parents? His daughter? Siblings? Cousins? Grandparent(s)? Aunt or uncle? Ancestor? A pet?
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A specific family member? If so...
His wife? A parent? Both parents? His daughter? Siblings? Cousins? Grandparent(s)? Aunt or uncle? Ancestor? A pet? a grandmother
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What was significant about the grandmother: Immigrant status? Famous for something? Her marriage? Her children? Her job? Her hobbies? Her activities? Her race? Her ethnicity? Her religion? Her estate / the inheritance she left? Something she said? Her family tree?
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Maternal Grandmother? Paternal? relevant?
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BLOOOPERRRRALERTTTTTTTTTT!!. I am going to post a

*** SPOILER ***********

because I'm afraid this puzzle rests on a blooperrrrrrr. The original idea was based on a column I read saying that, technically, President Clinton was a Cherokee. So the passive scrund was that no U.S. President had ever been a member of a racial minority. But I have since learned that this claim about Clinton is very dubious. So I am spoiling with puzzle, apologizing, & posting a new one. Sorry!!!!!

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