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May cost a round sum, but may pay off in many ways, especially for all of us.
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Us = HAMs / HAFs / Mix alive and breathing?
Occupations relevant?
Location?
Era?
Money relevant?
Is columbus involved?
Is he relevant?
Is America relevant?
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Quovynyte:
Us = HAMs / HAFs / Mix This alive and breathing? Yes
Occupations relevant? If you mean for "all of us", then no, otherwise yesish/slightly
Location? Yes/Yesish
Era? Yes
Money relevant? Yes
Is columbus involved? Not more than in giving a hint
Is he relevant? Just as above
Is America relevant? Yesish/slightly
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"A round sum" ... does that just mean "a lot of money"? Or is there a more specific meaning than that?
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Noel:
"A round sum" ... does that just mean "a lot of money"? Mostly this, but it's also for giving a complimentary hint Or is there a more specific meaning than that?
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Eggs involved?
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Eggs involved? No, but good thinking
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Space research/travel?
round the world travel?
Global warming involved?
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Tsoram1970:
Space research/travel?
round the world travel?
Global warming involved? This
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All of us = All people in Earth?
People in a region?
People in a company?
People in a group?

Ice relevant? The Greenhouse effect relevant?
Weather relevant? Travel relevant? Tourism?
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Quovynyte:
All of us = All people in Earth? This
People in a region?
People in a company?
People in a group?

Ice relevant? The Greenhouse effect relevant? This
Weather relevant? A bit Travel relevant? Tourism?
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Round as in a specific amount of money? Is "round" intended to refer to the Earth?

Scientific research involved? A specific technology?
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Round as in a specific amount of money? The specific amount of money is irrelevant, it's an initial investment Is "round" intended to refer to the Earth? Yes, and then some

Scientific research involved? More "Invention" than scientific research A specific technology? Some technolgies are surely also involved
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Power generation involved? Renewable energy? Space? Solar shield? Nuclear power? Fusion power? Lunar mining? The moon relevant?
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Power generation involved? Renewable energy? Space? Solar shield? Nuclear power? Fusion power? Lunar mining? The moon relevant? No to all, though they were good guesses.
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Some technology to: prevent/diminish global warming? CO2 sequestration? To mitigate the effects of global warming?
Is it risky? Is it not guaranteed to have the intended effect? Or may it have unforeseen effects? Or have the intended effect but not be worth the expenditure?
Fuel technology relevant? Recycling?
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Galfisk:
Some technology to: prevent/diminish global warming? One effect would be less global warming CO2 sequestration? To mitigate the effects of global warming?
Is it risky? No Is it not guaranteed to have the intended effect? It is, but there's always a cost/benefit analysis to be done and the result varies depending on who's doing it Or may it have unforeseen effects? No, the effects should be well-known, no fringe technology involved Or have the intended effect but not be worth the expenditure? This. Some are betting on it now, some want to wait-and-see, some are not interested.
Fuel technology relevant? Recycling? Neither
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Does it consume energy? Electricity? Lighting relevant? CFLs? LEDs? "Round" referring to the light bulb?
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Galfisk:
Does it consume energy? Yes, a small amount, but could easily be solved by renewable energy Electricity? Lighting relevant? CFLs? LEDs?
"Round" referring to the light bulb? No, "round" hints to two things. One is discovered: The Earth/globe in Global Warming. The other is yet to be found out, and it's not a kind of light bulb.
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round=wheel? Round as a wheel? Or as a ball? Or as an axle? Or rather like "fat"? Or somethig spinning so that it appears to be round? Like a propeller?
Transportation relevant? Bicycles? Will adopting this invention reduce our standard of living int he short run? Is it a replacement for another device? An addition? An upgrade?
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Galfisk:
round=wheel? Round as a wheel? Or as a ball? Yes, spherical, though not a ball Or as an axle? Or rather like "fat"? Or somethig spinning so that it appears to be round? Like a propeller?
Transportation relevant? Yesish, but... Bicycles? No Will adopting this invention reduce our standard of living int he short run? Not at all
Is it a replacement for another device? An addition? An upgrade? Not exactly any of the three, but all are OTRT
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does the spherical roundness refer to one of the layers of the surface (and beyond) of earth, as in "biosphere," "troposphere," "stratosphere," etc.?
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Yojimbo:
does the spherical roundness refer to one of the layers of the surface (and beyond) of earth, as in "biosphere," "troposphere," "stratosphere," etc.? Good thinking, but no. It's on a smaller scale.
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Is it big as: a mouse ball? Tennis ball? Soccer ball? Medicine ball? Indiana Jones booby trap stone ball? Building? Block? City? Is it about building a big-ass dome over a city? Human transportation? Other transportation?
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Galfisk:
Is it big as: a mouse ball? Tennis ball? Soccer ball? Medicine ball? Indiana Jones booby trap stone ball? Building? This, but size may vary Block? City? Is it about building a big-ass dome over a city? No, it's "Yesterday's Future", not !Tomorrow's!. And the scale is smaller. Human transportation? Other transportation? No, but...
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HINT: While "Columbus not involved" is true - he is not involved - he is a good hint for finding out the people involved in this
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Are other famous explorers involved? Magellan? Anything to do with natural disasters (like, say, an asteroid hit?)
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Jenburdoo:
Are other famous explorers involved? No, no explorers involved. It's more what Columbus did - and didn't do - that gives good hints about countries/people involved in this story otherwise totally unrelated to exploring and past times. Magellan? So, no
Anything to do with natural disasters (like, say, an asteroid hit?) No, this is both more mundane and more positive than asteroid hits.
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What Columbus did -- found someplace new? Initiated the wreckage of numerous cultures?

What Columbus didn't -- found the place he was actually looking for?
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Jenburdoo:
What Columbus did -- found someplace new? Yesish, but... Initiated the wreckage of numerous cultures?

What Columbus didn't -- found the place he was actually looking for? Yes, which resulted in...
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Which resulted in...

Someone else getting control of India? Someone else NOT getting control of the Americas?
The wreckage of numerous cultures?
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Jenburdoo:
Someone else getting control of India? Someone else NOT getting control of the Americas?
The wreckage of numerous cultures? None of the above, though almost everything Europe was involved in at those times meant "wreckage of numerous cultures". It's more the fact that Columbus didn't actually know where his ship landed...
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*************** RECAP *****************
Puzzle statement:
May cost a round sum, but may pay off in many ways, especially for all of us.

"All of us" really means all of us on Earth, (less contribution to) greenhouse effect/global warming is relevant.
"Round" in the puzzle statement both hints to the Earth, but also to something more that is spherical the size of a building.
This is about some kind of invention, but there's no high-level space research involved...
Transportation is somehow relevant.

Neither Columbus nor other explorers are involved, but Columbus gives out some more hints. He sailed from one place to find a way to a second, but found a third (which Columbus didn't know). All these three are somehow relevant.

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Vehicles relevant?
Clothing?
Sport?
The "round" building: Shaped like a sphere?
A real building?
Shaped like a circle?
A series of smaller building shaped like a circle?
Or just a building with round edges? Or has a dome?

Is the invention possible to make?
Has it already been made?
Is it a famous invention?
Does the "paying off" mean
* Reducing? Like a new form of transport that would reduce people using fumeful cars?
* Repairing? Like something that would actually "repair" the damage that has already been done to Earth?
* Recycling? Recycling damaging gases for example?
*Protecting? Actually trying to protect the Earth?
* Preventing? Like enforcing some new law that maybe it's illegal to do something damaging to the environment?
*Awareness? Like spreading the word to everybody? Trying to force people to stop damaging the Earth or to help the Earth?
OTRT?
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Quovynyte:
Vehicles relevant? A slight Yesish on that
Clothing? No
Sport? No
The "round" building: Shaped like a sphere? Yes, this
A real building? Yes, but might mislead
Shaped like a circle?
A series of smaller building shaped like a circle?
Or just a building with round edges? Or has a dome?

Is the invention possible to make? Yes
Has it already been made? Yesish
Is it a famous invention? No
Does the "paying off" mean
* Reducing? Like a new form of transport that would reduce people using fumeful cars? Yesish, "reducing" is correct
* Repairing? Like something that would actually "repair" the damage that has already been done to Earth? No
* Recycling? Recycling damaging gases for example? No
*Protecting? Actually trying to protect the Earth? No
* Preventing? Like enforcing some new law that maybe it's illegal to do something damaging to the environment? No
*Awareness? Like spreading the word to everybody? They hope it will help a bit to that effect as well Trying to force people to stop damaging the Earth or to help the Earth? No
OTRT? Yes
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Fuel relevant?
Roads? Motorways? Pavements?
The sky? Water? Underground?
A real building like the Statue
of Liberty is real? Or as in
Hogwarts is real in the books?
Is the building a fictional one?
Is it just a sphere? How many stories:
1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10+? 20+? 50+? 100+? 200+?
The building's purpose relevant? Offices? A shop? For living in? A place where people gather? A public place? A government building?
What continent might this building be situated on?
[LTPF list of continents]
Present era?
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Quovynyte:
Fuel relevant? Noish
Roads? Noish Motorways? No Pavements? No
The sky? Noish Water? Noish Underground? No

A real building like the Statue
of Liberty is real? This, but might mislead Or as in
Hogwarts is real in the books?
Is the building a fictional one? Not at all, but...
Is it just a sphere? No, meaning that there are things inside the sphere How many stories:
1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10+? 20+? 50+? 100+? 200+? "Size may very", and one interesting thing about this invention is that your question is very hard to answer
The building's purpose relevant? Very much so Offices? No A shop? No For living in? No A place where people gather? No A public place? No A government building? Might be owned by a government
What continent might this building be situated on?
[LTPF list of continents] Europe, but...
Present era? Yes, and then some
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Is it inflatable? And can it therefore vary in size? Will there be people inside? Animals? Plants? Machinery? Some other gas than/in addition to air? Will it float in the air? On water? Does it only exist as prototype or model at the moment? Will it move?
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Galfisk:
Is it inflatable? No And can it therefore vary in size? No, one instance can't vary in size, but... Will there be people inside? Normally not Animals? No Plants? Yes Machinery? Yes Some other gas than/in addition to air? No Will it float in the air? No On water? No Does it only exist as prototype or model at the moment? Yes, as far as I know it's only at that stage at the moment Will it move? Noish
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Is it some kind of greenhouse? Is the primary purpose to grow plants? If so, are the plants for: Food? Raw materials? Energy?
Is it a dome? Or a complete ball? Is it automated? Will building these mean less transportation is neccessary? Will they be: in cities? Just outside? In the country? Some other specific kind of place?
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Particular plants relevant?
Are the plants for research?
Would this building be used to reduce greenhouse gasses?
So are they building this building to help the Earth? Is there another reason?
Could it be rolled?
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Galfisk:
Is it some kind of greenhouse? YES Is the primary purpose to grow plants? Yes If so, are the plants for: Food? This Raw materials? Energy?

Is it a dome? Or a complete ball? This is closest Is it automated? Yes Will building these mean less transportation is neccessary? YES Will they be: in cities? This Just outside? In the country? Some other specific kind of place?

Quovynyte:
Particular plants relevant? Noish
Are the plants for research? No
Would this building be used to reduce greenhouse gasses? Yes, indirectly. "Greenhouses against Greenhouse Effect".

So are they building this building to help the Earth? Yes, that's one intended effect Is there another reason? Making money...
Could it be rolled? Not unless you're Godzilla

Also very good questions here!
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So the idea is to build large spherical automated greenhouses in cities, to produce food more locally and save on transportation, land use, irrigation, fertilizers, and probably other things as well?
Is there more to it?
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Galfisk:
So the idea is to build large spherical automated greenhouses in cities, to produce food more locally and save on transportation, land use, irrigation, fertilizers, and probably other things as well? YES
Is there more to it? Yes

We have some more interesting things to find out, mostly youched upon by Jenburdoo:

Where's the company that invented this?
Who are the majority owners?
Which are the first buyers?
What does this all have to do with Columbus not getting where he thought he went, and not realizing it?
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Native americans relevant? The word "indian"? India relevant?
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Galfisk:
Native americans relevant? The word "indian"? India relevant? Yes to all (!)
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Company in America, named Indian something, owned by native americans and selling their invention to India? Same locations and people but another combination?
West Indies relevant?
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Galfisk:
Company in America, No named Indian something, No owned by native americans THIS and selling their invention to India? THIS Same locations and people but another combination? No
West Indies relevant? No

You almost have it all now, if you want you can have one more shot before I $poil it (the little that's left)
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Posted on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 3:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Columbus sailed out from the "Old World", so did the Vikings...

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'I came across this very interesting design concept for a vertical greenhouse project. Plantagon is a Swedish company that claims they can grow organic fruit and vegetables in crowded urban centres using a unique conveyor system. “A tomato seed is planted on the ground floor of a rotating spiral and when it arrives at the top (30 days later) it is ready to be picked”'

http://4pembertonrealestate.com/?p=36

- It's rather obvious that we can't continue "business as usual" if we want to survive. We need to create corporations built from a deep sense of responsibility for the common good, Hans Hassle CEO of Plantagon International AB continues.

For Hans, this means core business that's good for society, as well as democratic and transparent organizations that are able to balance commercial success with idealistic principles. At the Globe Forum in Gdansk, he presented the "companization" Plantagon International AB, an award winning innovation within the area of urban agriculture and sustainability.

As a result of this thinking and to secure the knowledge of sustainable decision making, Hans came to a cooperation with one of the oldest democratic system still in function; the Iroquois Confederacy in North America. Together with their administrative center and the people of Onondaga Nation consisting of with the north American Indian people of Onondaga Nations he founded the Swedish company Plantagon International AB working with solutions for how to grow food inside cities and deliver directly to consumers without transportation.

http://www.webfinanser.com/nyheter/172188/plantagons-ceo-hans-hassle-says-maximum-profit---no-longer-a-reason-for-a-compan/

Thank you very much for playing!
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Both domes and (almost) full spheres above ground has been discussed, here's a small demo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBH9lSvAoz4

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