| Author | Message | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 755 Registered: 3-2004 |
Five years ago I created a puzzle type (we created lots of new puzzle types in those days) called the Idiomuzzle. It's a puzzle where the answer always is an idiom (could be a common proverb, a slang expression...). I ran five Idiomuzzles before taking a short break with them... ;-) - so this is Idiomuzzle number 6. Only the fifth Idiomuzzle is still in the archives, it's "Idiomuzzle 5: Treatment" with the link http://www.lateralpuzzles.com/discus/messages/2928/13089.html In that puzzle I referred to an earlier Idiomuzzle for the rules, but by following puzzle #5 you can easily see what it's all about. And you can also see that Idiomuzzles usually are Quickies - they usually don't take too long to solve. RULES for Idiomuzzles:
PUZZLE STATEMENT: Watching disinterested, he uttered "She is undesirable just like Wu Lizhu, using the damn firewater to preserve her fleeing youth". | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 757 Registered: 3-2004 |
Some more clarification: The solution idiom should have six words, "the" being the forth. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1211 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is Wu Lizhu HAF? An object? A person? A place? Firewater = alcohol? a specific type of alcohol? water from a fire hose? an oxymoron? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 759 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Is Wu Lizhu HAF? Yes An object? A person? A place? Firewater = alcohol? Yes, but alcohol is not the actual sought word a specific type of alcohol? water from a fire hose? an oxymoron? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 688 Registered: 9-2009 |
Alcohol = spirit? Spirits? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1214 Registered: 7-2009 |
Booze? Liquor? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 762 Registered: 3-2004 |
Galfisk: Alcohol = spirit? Spirits? No, those suggestions are too "ordinary" Noel: Booze? Liquor? Same as above | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1218 Registered: 7-2009 |
Wu Lizhu...a Chinese woman? Other Asian nationality? Is her ethnicity/nationality relevant? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 764 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Wu Lizhu...a Chinese woman? Yes Other Asian nationality? Is her ethnicity/nationality relevant? Yes, ethnicity and gender - so she's not only a HAF but also... | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1222 Registered: 7-2009 |
A Chinese Human Adult Female? A CHAF? A China woman? A China doll? Short? Petite? An Empress? Is a specific ethnic group within China relevant? Or just Chinese in general? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 767 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: A Chinese Human Adult Female? A CHAF? No, but OTRT A China woman? A China doll? Short? Petite? An Empress? Is a specific ethnic group within China relevant? No, the other way around Or just Chinese in general? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1224 Registered: 7-2009 |
An ethnic group that China is a part of? Asian? Oriental? Eastern? | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2009 |
Preserve = like store/keep/save? like maintain? like jelly/jam/marmalade? or like a life preserver? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 516 Registered: 6-2008 |
Disinterested = bored? or maybe board (more laterally)? For "firewater", are we looking for a brand of liquor? or a type (vodka, tequila, etc.) Preserve = save? keep? or maybe jam? (in the sense of the noun) | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 517 Registered: 6-2008 |
Heh that was funny, we thought of those at the same time! | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 771 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: An ethnic group that China is a part of? Asian? Oriental? THIS, so... Eastern? Probably_monty_hall: Preserve = like store/keep/save? Yes, OTRT like maintain? like jelly/jam/marmalade? Also kind of OTRT or like a life preserver? Biograd: Disinterested = bored? or maybe board (more laterally)? No, have you missed out on Nimue's puzzles about good students lately? (Great help, eh?) For "firewater", are we looking for a brand of liquor? or a type (vodka, tequila, etc.) No, another word for liqour, but not as "ordinary" as the already given suggestions Preserve = save? Yes, also OTRT keep? or maybe jam? (in the sense of the noun) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1227 Registered: 7-2009 |
OHAF? HOAF? OAF? OF? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 780 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: OHAF? HOAF? OAF? OF? THIS Wu Lizhu is known from early Kung Fu movies as “The Oriental Female Fairbanks” So now we can metamorph the puzzle statment a bit, to (remember black is only filler): Watching disinterested, he uttered "She is undesirable just like of, using the firewater to preserve her fleeing youth". | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 696 Registered: 9-2009 |
undesirable as in: unattractive? worthless? unpleasant? detrimental? disinterested: impartial? firewater: moonshine? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 785 Registered: 3-2004 |
Galfisk: undesirable as in: unattractive? worthless? unpleasant? detrimental? None of those, and remember that the synonym you're looking for is a synonym for "is undesirable" disinterested: impartial? OTRT firewater: moonshine? The right type of word, but not the right one. Try getting at the answers laterally ;-) | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 521 Registered: 6-2008 |
For disinterested: fair? distant? aloof? cold? Does the word for "firewater" describe a particular way the liquor is manufactured? does it imply that it is illegally sold/imported? that it is low quality? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 787 Registered: 3-2004 |
Biograd: For disinterested: fair? THIS distant? aloof? cold? Does the word for "firewater" describe a particular way the liquor is manufactured? does it imply that it is illegally sold/imported? that it is low quality? No to all of these Watching fair, he uttered "She is undesirable just like of, using the firewater to preserve her fleeing youth". | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1230 Registered: 7-2009 |
Firewater = courage? (as in "liquid courage")? Is the word "firewater" a clue beyond being alcohol? Would "whisky" or "vodka" have worked as well? Is undesirable --> sucks? blows? stinks? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 789 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Firewater = courage? (as in "liquid courage")? No Is the word "firewater" a clue beyond being alcohol? Would "whisky" or "vodka" have worked as well? It's a smallish clue to what type of synonym it is. Whisky and vodka would have been unnecessarily specific but could been used (if nothing else was available), "alcohol" would have done fine and "booze" even better. Is undesirable --> sucks? THIS blows? stinks? Good playing! almost there! Watching fair, he uttered "She suck just like of, using the firewater to preserve her fleeing youth". | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1235 Registered: 7-2009 |
firewater = poison? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 797 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: firewater = poison? Nope | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2346 Registered: 1-2007 |
I haven't been playing having just spotted this puzzle. I know the solution . Should i spoil or will i leave it to those who've done all the work? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 802 Registered: 3-2004 |
Peter365: I haven't been playing having just spotted this puzzle. I know the solution . Should i spoil or will i leave it to those who've done all the work? You can always email me the answer (address in profile). | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2009 |
preserve: jar? some type of vessel? firewater: is this word used as slang for alcohol? like 'hooch'? 'juice'? if applicable, would the word be more likely to be uttered in a certain part of the world? or at a certain time (in history)? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 806 Registered: 3-2004 |
probably_monty_hall: preserve: jar? Getting close, but... some type of vessel? firewater: is this word used as slang for alcohol? like 'hooch'? 'juice'? Yes, it's a slang word (none of those two, though) if applicable, would the word be more likely to be uttered in a certain part of the world? or at a certain time (in history)? Yes, I believe both the two words left are more or less "regional" | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2349 Registered: 1-2007 |
E-mail sent | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1240 Registered: 7-2009 |
Are the final words of the answer in the same order as they are in the puzzle statement? Making the answer "Fair suck of the ___ ___"? Or are they mixed up? | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2009 |
regional: swedish? northern european? european? all english-speaking countries? some other english-speaking country? piss? piss pot? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 807 Registered: 3-2004 |
Peter365: E-mail sent And the answer is correct, thanks! I should perhaps clarify my last answer to Probably_monty_hall: Both words are normal English words, not uncommon at all. But this particular use/meaning of them is as far as I know rather regional. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 808 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Are the final words of the answer in the same order as they are in the puzzle statement? This. I'm waiting with the harder variant: "Idiomuzzle/scrambled" a while. Making the answer "Fair suck of the ___ ___"? Or are they mixed up? Probably_monty_hall: regional: swedish? northern european? european? This, British English all english-speaking countries? some other english-speaking country? piss? piss pot? Neither | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1277 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the last word a type of container? That holds liquid? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 855 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Is the last word a type of container? That holds liquid? YES, YES | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1281 Registered: 7-2009 |
Glass? Bowl? Tub? Crock? Jar? Bin? Mug? Gourd? Vase? Vat? Goblet? (Crock fits the "preserve" clue best, but maybe still not all that well). | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 857 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Glass? Bowl? Tub? Crock? Jar? Bin? Mug? Gourd? Vase? Vat? Goblet? None of these, but (as you know) you're OTRT (Crock fits the "preserve" clue best, but maybe still not all that well). No, not all that well | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 721 Registered: 5-2007 |
If the answer I have in mind is correct, the expression is not "British English" at all, but Australian English. Could you verify this, please? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 868 Registered: 3-2004 |
Woubit: If the answer I have in mind is correct, the expression is not "British English" at all, but Australian English. Could you verify this, please? When we (Probably_monty_hall and I) have "spoken" about "regionality" and British English it is not regarding the solution statement. It's about the use of the fifth word as a synonym for "firewater" and the sixth word as a synonym for "preserve". Both are listed as "British English, informal" and "British English" (some on-line dictionaries however only divide the English-speaking world in two parts, American English and British English - the rest). The solution expression itself has not been touched upon. Checking it now, a very similar expression is listed as "Australian, informal" while this particular one is said to be "British, informal" - but that is in no more reliable source than the Wikipedia, so I'm not sure. We can however be sure on it being informal English... | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1317 Registered: 7-2009 |
Slang for alcohol...Toddy? Tiddle? Brew? Paint? Shine? Skee? Swill? Milk? Vino? Junkst? Beast? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 925 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Slang for alcohol...Toddy? Tiddle? Brew? Paint? Shine? Skee? Swill? Milk? Vino? Junkst? Beast? We are looking for a slang word for alcohol, yes. Seems to be an endless list, the word I'm looking for gives associations to food... | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1319 Registered: 7-2009 |
Tart? Bread? Nectar? Honey? Lunch? If none of those are it, I'm done. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 929 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Tart? Bread? Nectar? Honey? Lunch? No, think more about what you put on food... please don't give up... :-) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1323 Registered: 7-2009 |
Sauce? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 933 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Sauce? YES, that was the right slang word! Now the puzzle has just one bit left! Watching fair, he uttered "She suck just like of, using the sauce to preserve her fleeing youth". | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1325 Registered: 7-2009 |
ack! I feel like I should have gotten "sauce" a long time ago. That's even slang for alcohol here in the US. Oh well. Thanks for the hints! So the last word is slang for container, right? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 936 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: So the last word is slang for container, right? Actually, no. It's no slang. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1326 Registered: 7-2009 |
Looking over my previous list, I seem to have left out... cup? bottle? (hmm, to bottle something is to preserve it...) If not, is it a type of container that typically has a lid? Typically goes without a lid? If it has a lid, is it screwtop? Snap on? Latch on? Is there a material that it is typically made out of? If so, glass? Metal? Clay/ceramic/pottery? Plastic? Is it a specific type of beverage glass? Such as a tumbler? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 938 Registered: 3-2004 |
Noel: Looking over my previous list, I seem to have left out... cup? bottle? YES (hmm, to bottle something is to preserve it...) It sure is! If not, is it a type of container that typically has a lid? Typically goes without a lid? If it has a lid, is it screwtop? Snap on? Latch on? Is there a material that it is typically made out of? If so, glass? Metal? Clay/ceramic/pottery? Plastic? Is it a specific type of beverage glass? Such as a tumbler? ****************** SPOILER *********************** With the bottle added, the idiom is now complete. The puzzle statement...: Watching disinterested, he uttered "She is undesirable just like Wu Lizhu, using the firewater to preserve her fleeing youth". ...has been transformed into: Watching fair, he uttered "She suck just like of, using the sauce to bottle her fleeing youth". Fair suck of the sauce bottle The Wiktionary defines it: (British, informal) Used to inform somebody that they’re taking more than their share, etc. There's a similar idiom, Fair suck of the sav, which Wiktionary says has the same meaning, but is Australian: (Australian, informal) Used to inform somebody that they’re taking more than their share, etc. Well played everyone, special thanks goes to Peter365 and Noel! |
