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Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They are much safer this way. Let's just hope the monkey doesn't get thirsty!
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Title relevant?
Are "they" human? animals?
"Monkey" = real monkey?
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Title relevant? no, just that Curious George is a monkey
Are "they" human? no animals? yes
"Monkey" = real monkey? yes
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Are "they" now in water? weren't they before? were they in water, but not close to George?
Are "they" fish? other animals living under water? other animals living in water?
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Are "they" now in water? yes weren't they before? no, they weren't were they in water, but not close to George? no
Are "they" fish? no other animals living under water? yes other animals living in water? so yes
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So they live and breath under water all the time? but they somehow survived before, without being in water? were they just eggs? or do they surface to breathe?
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So they live and breath under water all the time? Yope. Yes during the time frame of this puzzle. but they somehow survived before, without being in water? yes were they just eggs? yesish or do they surface to breathe? they can
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Frogs relevant? Periophthalmus? lizards? insects?
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Frogs relevant? this one Periophthalmus? lizards? insects?
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Grown-up frogs? or tadpoles?
Are they moved for their safety? or is that just an excuse someone has?
Relevant who thinks/utters the puzzle statement?
Is this in a zoo? animal farm? lab? relevant?
Is it relevant where the frogs/tadpoles are moved to?
Is it possible for George to get to the water (with frogs/tadpoles)? and drink it?
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Grown-up frogs? or tadpoles? this one
Are they moved for their safety? yes or is that just an excuse someone has?
Relevant who thinks/utters the puzzle statement? no. You could rewrite the statement as "if the monkey gets thirsty, it will be bad for the tadpole"
Is this in a zoo? animal farm? lab? none of the above relevant? yes
Is it relevant where the frogs/tadpoles are moved to? yes
Is it possible for George to get to the water (with frogs/tadpoles)? yes and drink it?yes
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CORRECTION: Are they moved for their safety? Yope
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Is the monkey just a pet? or filling a function?
Are there more monkeys at the site? other animals (not counting tadpoles and insects)?
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Is the monkey just a pet? no or filling a function? no
Are there more monkeys at the site? probably. Let's just say that George is the closest one. other animals (not counting tadpoles and insects)? probably
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Is it out in the wild?
Relevant on which continent? which country?
The person who moves the tadpoles - one person? more? HAF? relevant who it is?
Does the "mover" care about what happens to the tadpoles? or is the idea more to get them out of the way?
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Is it out in the wild? yes
Relevant on which continent? yes which country? no
The person who moves the tadpoles - one person? FA more? H no AF? yes relevant who it is? yes
Does the "mover" care about what happens to the tadpoles? yes, for svv of "care" or is the idea more to get them out of the way? no
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Is the FA that no-one really moved the tadpoles? they swam somewhere themselves? or that they were moved by an animal? the AF - Adult Frog (;-))? their mother?
Does Mother Frog move the tadpoles in her mouth? to another place?
In North America? South America? Europe? Africa? Australia? Asia? Antarctic? Polar monkeys and frozen frog's legs...
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Is the FA that no-one really moved the tadpoles? they swam somewhere themselves? or that they were moved by an animal? The FA is that they were moved by a person. No people are involved the AF - Adult Frog (;-))? haha, yes their mother? yes
Does Mother Frog move the tadpoles in her mouth? actually on her back. irrel to another place? yes.
Btw, it's not really important where she moves them from, so I'll just tell you. This species of frog (please, no googling! you don't have to figure out what species it is, anyway.) lays its eggs on the underside of a leaf. So after they hatch into tadpoles, the mother has to move them to water.

In North America? South America? this, and also Central America Europe? Africa? Australia? Asia? Antarctic? Polar monkeys and frozen frog's legs... =)
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Was the danger to the tadpoles death by monkey before were moved? If so, was the monkey eating the leaves? Or just climbing around among them?
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Was the danger to the tadpoles death by monkey before were moved? no
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Were they not just moved, as you wrote, because they had to get into water? and the interesting thing here is that she didn't move them to any ordinary puddle in the jungle? but to someplace where monkeys gather? and may think of drinking the water?
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Were they not just moved, as you wrote, because they had to get into water? and the interesting thing here is that she didn't move them to any ordinary puddle in the jungle? Yes but to someplace where monkeys gather? and may think of drinking the water? All correct
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Did the monkeys gather at a place now used by humans? or a place previously used by humans? like an old temple? a ruin?
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Did the monkeys gather at a place now used by humans? or a place previously used by humans? like an old temple? a ruin? no to all
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Is it just a coincidence that the monkeys are gathering at this specific place? or is there something "special" at the place, making the monkeys like it? a natural rock formation? a waterfall? a pond that somehow is special? something nice is growing there? it's the best place to find food? to find good water? to find tasty frogs?
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Is it just a coincidence that the monkeys are gathering at this specific place? Yes and no. Depends on how you define the place. or is there something "special" at the place, making the monkeys like it? yope a natural rock formation? no a waterfall? a pond that somehow is special? no something nice is growing there? yope it's the best place to find food? no to find good water? no, but... to find tasty frogs? haha, no

This set of questions is very hard to answer. I hope I have not misled.
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Were they in danger of death from other animal before? Death from falling? Death from plant? Weather? Or not death but injury? Of getting lost?
Is this particular body of water safer from the original danger than other bodies of water?
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Were they in danger of death from other animal before? before what? before it was moved to the water? No. However, the relevant danger was death from animal.
Death from falling? Death from plant? Weather? Or not death but injury? Of getting lost?None of these.
Is this particular body of water safer from the original danger than other bodies of water? yes
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Is it something special with this water? especially warm? especially cool? something living in the water? good for monkey swimming?
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Is it something special with this water? yope especially warm? especially cool? something living in the water? other than the tadpole? no good for monkey swimming? no to rest
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Is the water "body" just a small puddle? a pond? a small lake? not a natural water body at all?
Is the water contained in something (other than ground beneath, which would be the case for puddles/ponds/lakes)?
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Is the water "body" just a small puddle? yesish

a pond? a small lake? not a natural water body at all? none of these

Is the water contained in something (other than ground beneath, which would be the case for puddles/ponds/lakes)? yes
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So it is a natural "water body"? but not just in a hole in the ground? and it's small? <10 liters? <50 liters? <200 liters? more?
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So it is a natural "water body"? it is a small amount of water that occurs naturally, but it's not really a water body but not just in a hole in the ground? right and it's small? <10 liters? <50 liters? up to 5 gallons (so up to ~20 liters, roughly?) <200 liters? more?
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Is the water contained in some plant? a growing plant? dead?
Something like a calabash?
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Is the water contained in some plant? yes a growing plant? yes dead?no
Something like a calabash? no

note: you don't have to figure out what the plant is.
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So the frog moves the tadpole(s) to a few gallons of water contained in a living plant, and that's quite OK if not the nearby monkeys drink the water with the tadpoles in it?
What's to find out? why the monkeys are there? why they would drink water from that particular plant? how many mistresses did Tiger Woods have?
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So the frog moves the tadpole(s) to a few gallons of water contained in a living plant, yes and that's quite OK better than ok, it's safer this way than... if not the nearby monkeys drink the water with the tadpoles in it? yes
What's to find out? see below why the monkeys are there? sort of why they would drink water from that particular plant? sort of how many mistresses did Tiger Woods have? this is not the kind of puzzle where the answer changes daily.

You're very nearly finished. What's left to find out: (1) Why it's "safer this way" and (2) why the monkeys are a likely danger; there's one thing left to figure out about the plant.
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Are the monkeys only a danger if they get thirsty? or can them rummaging around likely spill the water?
Is the plant high? so high that the monkeys can climb it? relevant?
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Are the monkeys only a danger if they get thirsty? yes, mostly or can them rummaging around likely spill the water? but I suppose this is also likely to be true
Is the plant high? yes so high that the monkeys can climb it? they can't climb the plant itself, but... relevant? yes
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Is it a climbing plant? a plant that grows on trees?
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Is it "safer this way" because it's safe from predators? Which would live in other bodies of water? Or have easy access to them?
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Is it a climbing plant? no a plant that grows on trees? yes

Is it "safer this way" because it's safe from predators? yes Which would live in other bodies of water? yes Or have easy access to them?

Let's call this one done, folks. All that's really left is to put it all together. So...****SPOILER****

Most frogs lay their eggs in a body of water, they hatch there, and remain there while they're tadpoles. Water is essential for tadpoles because they breathe through gills until their lungs mature. However, lots of fish and other predators live in the water, so it's not a very safe place to be as a tadpole. As a result, most frogs lay a lot of eggs in the water.

The strawberry poison dart frog, however, uses a different ecological strategy. It's one of the few species of frogs that exhibit parental care of their young. The frogs lay their eggs on the underside of a leaf, and the parents tend the eggs until they hatch into tadpoles. Then, one at a time, the mother carries a tadpole on her back, climbs way up to the treetops, and deposits it into the water collected in a plant called a tank bromeliad. The evolutionary advantage of this adaptation is that there aren't generally tadpole predators up in the treetops.

However, a lot of animals in the tree tops, including monkeys, use the tank bromeliad water as drinking water. It makes a lot of sense for monkeys to do so, because the trees in the rain forest are very, very tall, and it would require a lot of effort for monkeys to climb to the ground and back up every time they needed water.

The frog mother goes to such extreme lengths to carry her tadpole to the predator-free safety of a tank bromeliad. I've always thought it would be unfortunate if a thirsty monkey slurped the tadpole up accidentally with its drinking water after all that effort!
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It sure would. Fortunately, in this puzzle, a Red Bull-sponsored Energy Drink Dispenser was installed in the tree tops and every one lived happily ever after.
Thanks for the puzzle!
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This is a good one. I like your biology-based puzzles a lot, and look forward to more!
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Thank you Jen! I'll keep my eye out for more instances of evolution taking a lateral leap =)

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