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Still far from what Fred had wanted but enough to save Joe and the artist from serious trouble.
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Is Charlie the artist? Are Fred, Joe and the artist three people? Are they HAM? More people involved?
Did Fred want: something different? The same but much more? Did he himself save Joe and the artist?
Serious trouble: with the law? With one or more people? Danger? Life-threatening? Financial trouble?
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Is Charlie the artist? No, not THE artist Are Fred, Joe and the artist three people? Yes Are they HAM? Yes More people involved? Only marginally
Did Fred want: something different? This The same but much more? No Did he himself save Joe and the artist? No
Serious trouble: with the law? This With one or more people? No Danger? DOYD of danger Life-threatening? No Financial trouble? And very possibly,this
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Is Charlie also an artist? Can we call the artist Mike? Have Charlie and Mike done something illegal? Or are they about to?
Are they: colleagues? Friends? Acquaintances? Profession of Fred relevant? Is he a lawyer?
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Is Charlie also an artist? Yes Can we call the artist Mike? Of course Have Charlie and Mike done something illegal? Yope Or are they about to? No
Are they: colleagues? No Friends? No Acquaintances? No Profession of Fred relevant? Not really Is he a lawyer? No
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Do they know each other at all? Is their art relevant? Forgery relevant? Are they involved in a scam?
Has any of these done something illegal: Charlie? Mike? Fred?
Is Fred also in trouble? Did he cover up something?
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Do they know each other at all? All of them know Charlie, and Fred, Mike and Joe know each other Is their art relevant? Ín one case, very much so Forgery relevant? No Are they involved in a scam? No
Has any of these done something illegal: Charlie? No Mike? Yes Fred? No
Is Fred also in trouble? Sort of, worth exploring Did he cover up something? No
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Is Charlie better? As in not sick? As in more skilled? As in something of his is better? Something that he owns? Something that he's made? His plan?
Joe's profession relevant?
Will Fred be in trouble if he doesn't help? Or if something is discovered? Is his sort of trouble also with the law? Also financial? Artists=painters? Sculptors? Are all artists the same kind of artist?
Purchase or sale of art relevant?
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Is Charlie better? Definitely As in not sick? No As in more skilled? No As in something of his is better? I think we can say so, with svv of "something of his" Something that he owns? No Something that he's made? No His plan? No
Joe's profession relevant? No
Will Fred be in trouble if he doesn't help? No Or if something is discovered? Yesish, worth exploring Is his sort of trouble also with the law? No Also financial? No Artists=painters? No but OTRT; beware a FA Sculptors? No Are all artists the same kind of artist? No. Good question.
Purchase or sale of art relevant? No
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svv of: "something"? "his"? Is charlie better: than before? Than someone else? Than something else?
Does either artist produce physical objects? Is there a specific work of art that is relevant? Was the relevant art made by: Joe? Mike? Both? Someone else? Copyright invovled? Era relevant? Location? Are they all from the same country?
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svv of: "something"? "his"? Is charlie better: than before? Than someone else? Than something else? \This. A very good question.
Does either artist produce physical objects? Yesish Is there a specific work of art that is relevant? Yes indeed :-)) Was the relevant art made by: Joe? Mike? This Both? No, but... Someone else? No Copyright invovled? No Era relevant? Yes; to save you trouble, it happened in the 20th century Location? Not really Are they all from the same country? No but not relevant
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Are they all from the same country? No but not relevant If we really want to nitpick, Joe, Mike and Fred are from the same country (which is somewhat relevant, but we do not need to identify the country, it could have happened almost anywhere) while Charlie is from a different one; however, the puzzle would work as well if all four of them were from the same country as Charlie.
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Fred, Joe and Mike all know Charlie, right? But does Charlie know them? Is Charlie famous?

Relationship between Fred and Joe:
family? friends? strangers? acquaintances? lovers? colleagues?

same questions for the relationship between Fred and Mike, and again for Joe and Mike.

Charlie is better than something else--is he better than a physical object? better than a situation? if so, is he better than what was enough to save Joe and Mike from serious trouble? is he (and the outcome he causes) what Fred would have wanted? or is he merely better than Joe and Mike getting into trouble? Does Charlie work out a little deal for them that saves them from the law? does Charlie buy the work of art? Did Joe put his name to Mike's work?

Is it important to find out exactly what kind of artists they are?
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Fred, Joe and Mike all know Charlie, right? Right But does Charlie know them? No Is Charlie famous? Very much so

Relationship between Fred and Joe:
family? No friends? Something between this... strangers? acquaintances? ...and this. lovers? No colleagues? In a way :-))

same questions for the relationship between Fred and Mike, Strangers and again for Joe and Mike. Let us say friends

Charlie is better than something else--is he better than a physical object? Yes, for a svv of "physical object" better than a situation? No if so, is he better than what was enough to save Joe and Mike from serious trouble? No - he is just enough to achieve that. is he (and the outcome he causes) what Fred would have wanted? No or is he merely better than Joe and Mike getting into trouble? Let us say that he is better than another thing which would have got Joe and Mike into trouble Does Charlie work out a little deal for them that saves them from the law? Not exactly but very laterally OTRT does Charlie buy the work of art? No Did Joe put his name to Mike's work? No

Is it important to find out exactly what kind of artists they are? Essential :-))
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If not for Charlie, would Joe and Mike be found guilty of any of these?

* Aiding & Abetting / Accessory
* Arson
* Assault / Battery
* Bribery
* Burglary
* Child Abuse
* Child Pornography
* Computer Crime
* Conspiracy
* Credit / Debit Card Fraud
* Disorderly Conduct
* Domestic Violence
* Drug Cultivation and Manufacturing
* Drug Distribution / Trafficking
* Drug Possession
* DUI / DWI
* Embezzlement
* Extortion
* Forgery
* Hate Crimes
* Indecent Exposure
* Identity Theft
* Insurance Fraud
* Kidnapping
* Manslaughter: Involuntary
* Manslaughter: Voluntary
* Money Laundering
* Murder: First-degree
* Murder: Second-degree
* Perjury
* Prostitution
* Pyramid Schemes
* Racketeering / RICO
* Rape
* Robbery
* Securities Fraud
* Sexual Assault
* Stalking
* Tax Evasion / Fraud
* Telemarketing Fraud
* Theft / Larceny
* Wire Fraud

Am I right to assume that Joe and Mike have committed the same crime? Does Charlie know that Joe and Mike have done something illegal?

Does Charlie's art involve any drawing? moulding? photographing? writing? music? Does Mike's?
Is either one an escape artist? a con artist?
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If not for Charlie, would Joe and Mike be found guilty of any of these? I am not familiar with law definitions as they differ from country to country; however, in this specific case, another branch of law was involved

* Aiding & Abetting / Accessory
* Arson
* Assault / Battery
* Bribery
* Burglary
* Child Abuse
* Child Pornography
* Computer Crime
* Conspiracy
* Credit / Debit Card Fraud
* Disorderly Conduct
* Domestic Violence
* Drug Cultivation and Manufacturing
* Drug Distribution / Trafficking
* Drug Possession
* DUI / DWI
* Embezzlement
* Extortion
* Forgery
* Hate Crimes
* Indecent Exposure
* Identity Theft
* Insurance Fraud
* Kidnapping
* Manslaughter: Involuntary
* Manslaughter: Voluntary
* Money Laundering
* Murder: First-degree
* Murder: Second-degree
* Perjury
* Prostitution
* Pyramid Schemes
* Racketeering / RICO
* Rape
* Robbery
* Securities Fraud
* Sexual Assault
* Stalking
* Tax Evasion / Fraud
* Telemarketing Fraud
* Theft / Larceny
* Wire Fraud



Am I right to assume that Joe and Mike have committed the same crime? Yes - with svv of "crime" - but each of them was involved in a different manner Does Charlie know that Joe and Mike have done something illegal? No

Does Charlie's art involve any drawing? moulding? photographing? writing? music? Neither Does Mike's? In this case, it does involve some sort of drawing
Is either one an escape artist? No a con artist? No
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Does either artist produce images of some sort? Sound? A performance? Tattoos relevant? Trade marks? Trade secrets?
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Does either artist produce images of some sort? Yes indeed Sound? A performance? Tattoos relevant? This. Good work. Trade marks? Trade secrets?
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Is a tatto the relevant work of art? Is it on: Charlie? Joe? Mike? Fred? Someone else? Nobody yet? Relevant? Did one draw the tatto and another put it on the skin?
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Is a tatto the relevant work of art? Yes Is it on: Charlie? Joe? Mike? Fred? This Someone else? Nobody yet? Relevant? Very much so Did one draw the tatto and another put it on the skin? No, but...
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So Mike tattoed Fred? Did someone besides tattoist ant tattoee(?) have a hand in: the design? Placement? When it was made? How it was made? Are Joe and Mike in trouble because of the tattoo? Will Charlie do something with the tattoo? Will someone else? Is Charlie a makeup artist?
Motif of the tatto relevant? Size? Color? Placment on the body?
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BLOOPER: There is also another - less but still - relevant tattoo on Joe.

So Mike tattoed Fred? Yes Did someone besides tattoist ant tattoee(?) have a hand in: the design? Yes Placement? Yes When it was made? Yesish How it was made? Yes Are Joe and Mike in trouble because of the tattoo? Yes indeed Will Charlie do something with the tattoo? No Will someone else? Yes Is Charlie a makeup artist? No
Motif of the tatto relevant?Yes Size? Yes Color? No Placment on the body? Yes

Excellent questions!
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Is the tatto an image? Text? A symbol? A swastika? Other hate symbol? Is it illegal? Is it in a prominent place? Did Fred want this tattoo? Is it on: Foot? Leg? Buttock? Back? Shoulder? Arm? Hand? Neck? Scalp? Face? Chest? Stomach? Genitals? Is it visible with clothes on?
Did Fred want it removed? Covered up? Changed? Is his tatto related to Joe's? Did he want the same tattoo?
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Is the tatto an image? This Text? A symbol? I think we can define it as a symbol, yes A swastika? No Other hate symbol? No Is it illegal? No Is it in a prominent place? DOYD of prominent Did Fred want this tattoo? No Is it on: Foot? Leg? Buttock? Back? This Shoulder? Arm? Hand? Neck? Scalp? Face? Chest? Stomach? Genitals? Is it visible with clothes on? No if properly dressed :-))
Did Fred want it removed? Covered up? Changed? This Is his tatto related to Joe's? Yes Did he want the same tattoo? Yes - that is, if you mean "Did Fred want the same tattoo as Joe?"
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Occupation of Fred and Joe relevant?

So Joe has a tattoo (done by Mike?) and Fred wanted the same tattoo as Joe? Did he actually get the same tattoo as Joe?

If not for Charlie, would it be Fred who gets Joe and Mike into trouble? would he do it deliberately?

Does the tattoo symbolise an affiliation with a religious group? political group? social group?

Fred wanted the tattoo changed, but the tattoo remained unchanged? did Mike refuse to change it?
Did something to do with Charlie change the perception of the tattoo? Does Charlie actually know that he has been so useful?
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Is Charlie a famous musician? Is Charlie A&B? Was he at some time? Is he fictional?

Is the tattoo in question an image of Charlie?

Has Charlie's image previously been drawn/printed, and it is this image that is the "Charlie" in the title of this puzzle?
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Occupation of Fred and Joe relevant? Not their exact occupation but it might help to know the social area they are moving in

So Joe has a tattoo (done by Mike?) Yes and Fred wanted the same tattoo as Joe? Exactly so V Did he actually get the same tattoo as Joe? No. Good question.

If not for Charlie, would it be Fred who gets Joe and Mike into trouble? Yes would he do it deliberately? Yes

Does the tattoo symbolise an affiliation with a religious group? political group? social group? Neither

Fred wanted the tattoo changed,Yes but the tattoo remained unchanged? No did Mike refuse to change it? No
Did something to do with Charlie change the perception of the tattoo? Very much so Does Charlie actually know that he has been so useful? No

Is Charlie a famous musician? No but OTRT Is Charlie A&B? Afraid I do not understand what A&B is Was he at some time? Is he fictional? No

Is the tattoo in question an image of Charlie? A very special Yope. Definitely worth exploring.

Has Charlie's image previously been drawn/printed,Previously to what? and it is this image that is the "Charlie" in the title of this puzzle? The "Charlie" in the title is indeed the image of Charlie.

Very good questions.
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A&B = alive and breathing. I was trying to determine if Charlie is/was an actual person (like, say, Elvis) or a fictional character (like Santa Claus).

Charlie is some type of artist, right? An actor? Painter? Sketcher? Sculptor? Dancer? Poet?

Has Charlie's image previously been drawn/printed...Previously to what?
Previous to Joe's tattoo.

Is the tattoo a copyright (or other property protection law) violation? Do some of the people think it is?
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A&B = alive and breathing. I was trying to determine if Charlie is/was an actual person (like, say, Elvis) or a fictional character (like Santa Claus). Oh, I see. Charlie was an actual person.

Charlie is some type of artist, right? Yes An actor? Yes Painter? Sketcher? Sculptor? Dancer? Poet?

Has Charlie's image previously been drawn/printed...Previously to what?
Previous to Joe's tattoo. If you mean in general sense, then yes, if you mean by Mike, then the answer would be Probably not

Is the tattoo a copyright (or other property protection law) violation? No Do some of the people think it is? No
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Is it worthwhile to determine Charlie's exact identity? If so, stage actor? Movie? TV? [LTPF list of continents] in which he performs, please.

During the events described in the puzzle, was Charlie still alive? Did he die during the puzzle's events?

Is the tattoo in question an image of Charlie? A very special Yope.
Is Joe's tattoo an image of Charlie? Was it intended to be? Is Fred's tattoo an image of Charlie? Was it intended to be?
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Is it worthwhile to determine Charlie's exact identity? Yes If so, stage actor? Movie? This TV? [LTPF list of continents] USA in which he performs FA, please.

During the events described in the puzzle, was Charlie still alive? No Did he die during the puzzle's events? No

Is the tattoo in question an image of Charlie? A very special Yope.
Is Joe's tattoo an image of Charlie? No Was it intended to be? No Is Fred's tattoo an image of Charlie? Yes, but there is more to it which is worth exploring Was it intended to be? No
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[LTPF list of decades] during which Charlie's movies were made, please. Is it Charlie Chaplin?

The FA, was it that Charlie did not perform in the movies? Or that Charlie hailed from the USA, but his movies weren't always filmed there?

You gave a 'No' to the question of whether Fred's tattoo was intended to be an image of Charlie. Does this mean that the tattoo's likeness to Charlie happened by accident?

Was there an iconic image of Charlie (perhaps the "Charlie" from the puzzle title) upon which Fred's tattoo was based?
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So to recap, as I understand it:
1. Joe has a tattoo.
Is it of a person? Of Charlie? Someone else? Something else?
2. Fred wants the same tattoo.
3. Mike makes the tattoo, but it turns out wrong.
Was it intentional? A prank? Was it both Fred's and Mike's fault? does it look like someone else? Something else? Something embarrassing?
4. The tattoo is changed to an image of Charlie.
Does Mike make the change? One of the others? Someone else?
5. It's not what Fred wanted, but good enough that he won't [sue?] Joe and Mike.
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[LTPF list of decades] during which Charlie's movies were made, please. See the next answer Is it Charlie Chaplin? Yes

The FA, was it that Charlie did not perform in the movies? Or that Charlie hailed from the USA, but his movies weren't always filmed there? Neither. I was possibly nitpicking but the FA was about the present tense of the verb "perform" as he, obviously, is already dead.

You gave a 'No' to the question of whether Fred's tattoo was intended to be an image of Charlie. Does this mean that the tattoo's likeness to Charlie happened by accident? No, it doesn't. Perhaps it would have been better to answer "Yope". See my answers to Galfisk below - although Fred's tattoo now IS an image of Charlie, it was originally intended to be something else.

Was there an iconic image of Charlie (perhaps the "Charlie" from the puzzle title) upon which Fred's tattoo was based? Yes

So to recap, as I understand it:
1. Joe has a tattoo. Yes
Is it of a person? Yes Of Charlie? No Someone else? Yes Something else? No
2. Fred wants the same tattoo. Yes
3. Mike makes the tattoo, but it turns out wrong.Yes
Was it intentional? Yes A prank? Yes Was it both Fred's and Mike's fault? No does it look like someone else? Something else? Yes Something embarrassing? Yes indeed
4. The tattoo is changed to an image of Charlie. Yes
Does Mike make the change? Yes One of the others? No Someone else? No
5. It's not what Fred wanted, but good enough that he won't [sue?] Joe and Mike. Exactly so. Your understanding is very accurate.

It now remains to establish:

- what was the original image on Fred's back,
- and how come Mike tattooed it first.
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Is there something about Charlie Chaplin that made his image an ideal candidate for the cover-up? His moustache? His derby hat?

The original image on Fred's back was a thing, right? A symbol? But not a person? It wasn't a picture of Hitler, was it?
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When you say the image of Charlie, do you mean an actual picture of Charlie? or something that represents him?

If the former: is it of Charlie's head? his whole body? is he wearing his hat? carrying his cane?

Is it relevant whether the tattoo was on Fred's lower or upper back? did Mike give him a tail?

Was the image Mike did originally a rude one? eg. genitals, middle finger etc.. or just embarrassing for Fred?

Why Mike tattooed it: something about Fred's physical appearance? something about his character? something Fred said?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something about Charlie Chaplin that made his image an ideal candidate for the cover-up? Yes His moustache? No His derby hat? Very probably :-))

The original image on Fred's back was a thing, right? Yesish A symbol? Yes But not a person? Yes It wasn't a picture of Hitler, was it? No but good thinking :-))

When you say the image of Charlie, do you mean an actual picture of Charlie? Yes or something that represents him? No

If the former: is it of Charlie's head? his whole body? This is he wearing his hat? Yes carrying his cane? Very probably but irr

Is it relevant whether the tattoo was on Fred's lower or upper back? It was all over his back, actually did Mike give him a tail? Not sure what you mean

Was the image Mike did originally a rude one? Yes eg. genitals Yes, middle finger etc.. or just embarrassing for Fred? and therefore, very much so

Why Mike tattooed it: something about Fred's physical appearance? No something about his character? Very possibly something Fred said? This is likely, too.

Good work -almost done!
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 1:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha! So.. Mike gave Fred an enormous tattoo of a penis, then when Fred got upset, changed it to one of Charlie Chaplin (the head morphing into Charlie's hat, I assume?)

Did Mike play the prank on Fred because Fred was a bit of a valentino? Did he constantly boast about it? Or conversely, was he always complaining about how he wanted to be more well-endowed, so Mike decided to give him a big one?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha! So.. Mike gave Fred an enormous tattoo of a penis, then when Fred got upset, changed it to one of Charlie Chaplin (the head morphing into Charlie's hat, I assume?) All your assumptions are correct. Congrats!

Did Mike play the prank on Fred because Fred was a bit of a valentino? Did he constantly boast about it? Or conversely, was he always complaining about how he wanted to be more well-endowed, so Mike decided to give him a big one? Neither. HINT: Think about Joe's role in all this, and the relationships between them (ie friend/acquaintance for Joe and Fred, friends for Joe and Mike.
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Hmmm... Has Fred been hitting on Joe? Has Joe reason to be offended with Fred? Does Joe think that Fred has been "behaving like a dick" towards him?

Would it help to find out what Joe's tattoo was, and why Fred wanted the same one?

You said it would help to know their social circle:
are they upper class? middle? lower?
Is their field artistic? performing arts related? scientific? sporty?
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Would it be helpful to know what Joe's tattoo was? Was it the case that Joe was upset/annoyed that Fred wanted to get the same tattoo as Joe, so Joe convinced Mike to give Fred a 'different' tattoo?
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Hmmm... Has Fred been hitting on Joe? Like courting him? Definitely not. Like attacking him? Possibly. Has Joe reason to be offended with Fred? Yes (or at least he thinks so) Does Joe think that Fred has been "behaving like a dick" towards him? Very probably. No need to know the exact cause, just that Joe was cross with Fred.

Would it help to find out what Joe's tattoo was, and why Fred wanted the same one? Not really. The only reason was that Fred liked Joe's tattoo.

You said it would help to know their social circle:
are they upper class? middle? lower? This
Is their field artistic? performing arts related? scientific? sporty? Neither

Would it be helpful to know what Joe's tattoo was? See above Was it the case that Joe was upset/annoyed that Fred wanted to get the same tattoo as Joe, so Joe convinced Mike to give Fred a 'different' tattoo? Joe did convince Mike to do the tattoo but not for this reason.

I think you've guessed enough for me to publish the

***************SPOILER****************

Joe, Fred and Mike are petty criminals.

Joe is tattooed all over his body, and he has a picture of a curvy nude girl on his chest. Fred likes it very much and wants to have the same tattoo. Joe promises that he would arrange it with his tattoo artist. However, Fred previously had a quarrel with Joe who still has a grudge against him. So, Joe convinces Mike the tattoo artist to play a prank on Fred.

Mike tells Fred that his chest is too hairy for him to do the tattoo and that it has to be on his back. Instead of anaesthetics, they give Fred alcohol; when he is completely drunk, he falls asleep and Mike tattoos the symbol of male genitals on his back instead of the promised girl.

When Fred gets home and looks in the mirror, he is appalled. He calls the police and (I especially liked this bit) tells them that he had a larger-than-life penis and testicles on his back.

Fred then sues Joe and Mike, and the court orders that they should remedy what they've done. Mike offers to change the offending picture to one of Charlie Chaplin, and Fred agrees that he would drop the case.

I leave to your fertile imagination what did Mike do to the original picture.

Thank you all for participating in this puzzle. Thanks to you, it went very fast and that's something I like.

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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 6:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lol I like this puzzle! Is it a true story?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks!

I heard it as a true story, and liked it too. (Not that I would like to be in Fred's shoes, however).
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The only thing that baffles me is how on earth he managed to change the testicles into part of Charlie Chaplin! =)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was thinking about the same thing half of this afternoon, and concluded that perhaps it was CHarlie's shoes (because he wore oversized shoes, didn't he?).
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://franmagazine.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/039_70230charlie-chaplin-posters.jpg

That's what I thought at first, but they look pretty flat to me!
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, you forced me to google a bit :-))). What about this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4403907_37f47a8d53_m.jpg
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lol yeah that looks better! I guess Mike probably had to exaggerate the size of the shoes a bit.. =)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, saving a king's ransom in damages is worth some effort, isn't it? ;-))
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Indeed!
Now if I ever see a man with a Charlie Chaplin tattoo, I'll be sure to ask him why he got it!
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 8:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ROFL :-)) Great minds think alike again - I was just thinking that if I meet a man with a CC tattoo I will be unable to refrain from imagining Fred and the whole story. And if he has the tattoo on his back and the shoes are extremely large...

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