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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There was a room back there in time,
Whose walls might once have seen a crime.
Two guys went in and one came out,
And there is still a veil of doubt.
What happened then behind the door,
We’ll never ever know for sure.
The one who knows is pretty old
And so far he has never told.
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Two guys = 2xHAM?
Was the one who came out one of the two who went in?
Is he "the one who knows"?
Is he still alive?
Did the other one who went in ever leave in any way? Was he brought out dead?
Was the possible crime murder?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Two guys = 2xHAM? Yes/No/Yes
Was the one who came out one of the two who went in? Yes
Is he "the one who knows"? Yes
Is he still alive? Yes
Did the other one who went in ever leave in any way? Yes Was he brought out dead? Yes
Was the possible crime murder? It was one of the possibilities, yes
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Are they both children? Or one adult and one child?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Are they both children? Or one adult and one child?
? Both of them were in their teens
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Possible solution emailed.
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was both female or was just one?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Possible solution emailed. Possible solution correct.:-))

was both female or was just one? Neither.
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Tell me this, to set background,
Were only these two men around?
Or are there others in this tale,
And if so human? adult? male?

Was this door traditional,
Or just an opening in a wall?
Or was it something like a hatch?
Or does it none of these things match?

And did the two boys break the law,
By entering? or by what they saw?
Or in some other way did they
Some legal code perchance betray?

In the twentieth century were they
When the boys went through the entrée?

If the country where this occurred
Has a border as yet unblurred
And it matters to the result,
[LPTF list please consult]?
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Is our aim in this to find
The memories lying in his mind?
And to ensure there's no mistake,
We'll call him Matt and the dead one Jake.

So Matt and Jake went through the door,
In how many hours was Jake no more?
Please use the LPTF list
Of integers, so we get the gist.

Now at the moment of Matt's departure,
Was poor Jake still a living creature?
And if he had not left his mate,
Would he have shared in dear Jake's fate?

Do tell us how they were related,
Were they by each other hated?
Or did they call the other 'friend',
Or did blood bind them to the end?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Tell me this, to set background,
Were only these two men around?
Or are there others in this tale,
And if so human? adult? male?

If truth is all that I have heard,
No other person interfered.


Was this door traditional,
Or just an opening in a wall?
Or was it something like a hatch?
Or does it none of these things match?

The door was just a plain room door,
Not worth of asking any more.


And did the two boys break the law,
By entering? or by what they saw?
Or in some other way did they
Some legal code perchance betray?

There was no other crime involved
Than that which has not been resolved.
The door is closed and I can’t see,
But likely options there are three:
A crime, a tort of negligence,
Or breach of rule of common sense.


In the twentieth century were they
When the boys went through the entrée?

The answer „Yes“ is obvious,
As one of them is still with us.


If the country where this occurred
Has a border as yet unblurred
And it matters to the result,
[LPTF list please consult]?

The country it does still exist,
In mainland Europe’s countries list.
It’s to be found most to its west,
I bet you figure out the rest.
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With patience will I give it time,
But have you perchance missed my rhyme?
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Was the death caused by the man dead?
Or caused by the other man instead?
Or is this the matter under dispute?
(Will this line of questions bear any fruit?)

The common sense rule that they didn't abide--
Is it typically meant to keep people alive,
Like: don't jam a knife in the toaster lid?
Something their mothers would always forbid?

Is the cause of death something known,
But not whether Matt did it or Jake took his own?
Or did the corpse not produce a cause of death,
So we're still unsure how Jake took his last breath?
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Within the room, can there be found
Some relevant objects around
That bring some clues about what transpired
When our unfortunate friend expired?

Is something broken, or disturbed?
Missing or otherwise perturbed?
Was something found on the man that died?
Was the living man ever questioned? And lied?

Did Matt enter the room with ill intent
Or did he try saving his dying friend?
If it's relevant, what kind of room was it?
A bathroom, a bedroom, a kitchen, or closet?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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With patience will I give it time,
But have you perchance missed my rhyme?



Patience’s the virtue you will need,
for I can’t write in haste and speed.
Moreover, it is more than clear
I am no John Donne or Shakespeare;
Even poor verses such as mine
Require a plenty lot of time. ;-))
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 9:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is our aim in this to find
The memories lying in his mind?
And to ensure there's no mistake,
We'll call him Matt and the dead one Jake.

Matt’s memory, alas, we can’t read.
Instead, let’s focus on the deed.
How it was sculpted in world’s fame,
And Matt’s and Jake’s real name.


So Matt and Jake went through the door,
In how many hours was Jake no more?
Please use the LPTF list
Of integers, so we get the gist.

The time they spent behind the door
Could have been an hour, hardly more.


Now at the moment of Matt's departure,
Was poor Jake still a living creature?
And if he had not left his mate,
Would he have shared in dear Jake's fate?

When Matt was leaving, Jake was dead,
With noish threat or risk to Matt.


Do tell us how they were related,
Were they by each other hated?
Or did they call the other 'friend',
Or did blood bind them to the end?

Of each other they were very fond,
United with a strong blood bond.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Was the death caused by the man dead?
Or caused by the other man instead?
Or is this the matter under dispute?
(Will this line of questions bear any fruit?)

No one knows this, except for Matt,
And our Lord God, of course, at that.
This said, and with no offense meant,
This path would lead you to dead end.


The common sense rule that they didn't abide--
Is it typically meant to keep people alive,
Like: don't jam a knife in the toaster lid?
Something their mothers would always forbid?

I think, it’s vital this to know,
A father is more likely though
To teach this precious piece of knowledge,
Or teachers in a special college.


Is the cause of death something known,
But not whether Matt did it or Jake took his own?
Or did the corpse not produce a cause of death,
So we're still unsure how Jake took his last breath?

The cause of death was crystal clear,
No room for doubts did e’er appear.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Within the room, can there be found
Some relevant objects around
That bring some clues about what transpired
When our unfortunate friend expired?

On the ground, clearly, neat and clean,
The lethal weapon can be seen.


Is something broken, or disturbed?
Missing or otherwise perturbed?
Was something found on the man that died?
Was the living man ever questioned? And lied?

There’s nothing, let us all assume,
Missing of broken in the the room.

As to the way poor Jake was killed,
When being questioned, Matt replied
That he felt an enormous guilt
(And it's not likely that he lied).


Did Matt enter the room with ill intent
Or did he try saving his dying friend?
If it's relevant, what kind of room was it?
A bathroom, a bedroom, a kitchen, or closet?

Matt’s motivation we don’t know,
I do not think it likely though
That he went in with an ill will,
However, can’t exclude it still.

He did try saving poor Jake’s life,
But alas, vain was all his strife.

The bedroom saw Jake’s body fall
Which is not relevant at all.
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What was the weapon that ended Jake's dear life?
Was it rope, a gun, broken glass or a knife?
Or was Jake's life in such weird danger,
That the murder weapon is even stranger?

Your answer to 2xHAM? was Yes, No, Yes.
Shall I put this to the test...
Were either/both of them children, or teen?
Was Jake ever older than babyhood seen?

And now the deed has been done,
What became of Matt, for one?
Did his actions drive him mad,
Did society deem him bad?
Was he ever put in jail?
Or is he free, now as ever, to tell his tale?
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In my haste, I clearly missed,
The place where you did insist,
That both Matt and Jake were both teens.
Honestly, I'm not as stupid as I seem... :s :p
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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What was the weapon that ended Jake's dear life?
Was it rope, a gun, broken glass or a knife?
Or was Jake's life in such weird danger,
That the murder weapon is even stranger?

The weapon causing Jake to bleed
Was, of all arms, a gun indeed.

And now the deed has been done,
What became of Matt, for one?
Did his actions drive him mad,
Did society deem him bad?
Was he ever put in jail?
Or is he free, now as ever, to tell his tale?

As his friends have it, up to date
Matt’s traumatised about Jake’s fate.
He never ever was confined
Or suffered nothing of that kind.
Nor public judgment was too hard
Or looked at him with disregard.
At present, which's not meant in joke,
he is a rich and famous bloke.


In my haste, I clearly missed,
The place where you did insist,
That both Matt and Jake were both teens.
Honestly, I'm not as stupid as I seem... :s :p


Never in life, nor in a jest
Would I dare such a thing suggest.
Of your brains never did I doubt,
I‘ll leave your second question out.
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Just how famous is this case--
Their real names known to every race?
Will Google need to be our friend
As we near the puzzle's end?

Since blood binds them very near,
Brothers, then, I think they were.
Was Matt older, or was Jake?
Did they the other's mirror make?

After Jake had seemed to die,
Did Matt rush out in the blink of an eye?
While details we may never know,
Like whether Matt did fire the blow,
Do we at least have some idea,
Was what he did before death clear?

This is what I mean to ask,
(Writing in verse is a difficult task)
Were they playing a game, mayhap,
That sadly ended in mishap?

Was Matt or Jake the rightful owner
Of the gun that tipped Jake over?
Or was the gun that made the shot
By some other means begot?

Was there evidence of strife
Before the shot that took Jake's life?
Did they know the gun was loaded
Before poor Jake's whole world exploded?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Just how famous is this case--
Their real names known to every race?
Will Google need to be our friend
As we near the puzzle's end?


I do not risk much if I bet
That all of you know who is Matt,
And likely it’s not a mistake
To think that very few know Jake.
About the googling, my mind‘s split;
You may need it to help your wit;
But if enlightened with a ray of sun,
Please don’t too early spoyle the fun.


Since blood binds them very near,
Brothers, then, I think they were.
Was Matt older, or was Jake?
Did they the other's mirror make?

Brothers indeed, and it appears
That Matt was older by four years.


After Jake had seemed to die,
Did Matt rush out in the blink of an eye?
While details we may never know,
Like whether Matt did fire the blow,
Do we at least have some idea,
Was what he did before death clear?

This is what I mean to ask,
(Writing in verse is a difficult task)
Were they playing a game, mayhap,
That sadly ended in mishap?

It is not of much relevance
If Matt behaved as if in trance,
Or if he summoned help at once.

That they were playing is a chance,
But different was the formal stance.


Was Matt or Jake the rightful owner
Of the gun that tipped Jake over?
Or was the gun that made the shot
By some other means begot?

There are more versions. I heard that
It belonged to the poor dead lad.
It’s said to be a present though
By the boys‘ father's fiercest foe.
But this makes no diference in this puzzle.

I talk too much, give me a muzzle!


Was there evidence of strife
Before the shot that took Jake's life?
Did they know the gun was loaded
Before poor Jake's whole world exploded?


Jake, alas, was dead on the spot,
No signs of strife when he was shot.
I have no notion if they knew
The gun was loaded; but it’s true
They were taught not to play about
With a gun with one up the spout.
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I know the answer; 'tis a sin
Here to $p01l; yet I grin
And can't help watching for to see
The fruits of puzzlers' hilarity
Not so funny, is this tale
Yet rhyming makes it much less pale
A more fun challenge, I haven't in mind,
Than to put questions and answers in rhyme.
"Bravo, Alhucema, and solvers!" I say!
Your comic genius makes my day.

I know only that I must try
This in my own puzzles, ere I die.
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Yes indeed, I love this game
I wish all puzzles were the same.
We're really on to something here
Methinks a revolution's near.


The formal stance then let's explore
So we unearth this puzzle's core.
Were they learning how to shoot?
(This in my mind has taken root.)

Tell us, please, if we must know
Whence from Jake the blood did flow.
Arm or leg or chest or thigh,
Head or belly, or even his eye?

You say that Matt is now full-grown,
Old and rich and très well-known.
I'd like to have more information,
So I'll ask of his vocation.
But it would make me quite delirious
To rhyme and list them, oh how tedious!

In the LPTF forum
Is a list of occupations.
With this, I ask, with all decorum
Help in this investigation.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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I know the answer; 'tis a sin
Here to $p01l; yet I grin
And can't help watching for to see
The fruits of puzzlers' hilarity
Not so funny, is this tale
Yet rhyming makes it much less pale
A more fun challenge, I haven't in mind,
Than to put questions and answers in rhyme.
"Bravo, Alhucema, and solvers!" I say!
Your comic genius makes my day.

I know only that I must try
This in my own puzzles, ere I die.


Oh, I feel flattered and elated
My puzzle is so highly rated.
And I must confess, Jenburdoo,
I did not count with likes of you.
I thought this time it was hard stuff,
You mailed the answer off the cuff.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Yes indeed, I love this game
I wish all puzzles were the same.
We're really on to something here
Methinks a revolution's near.


Me, too, I’m getting all my kicks
That we are able this to fix.
But write in verses such a story
Is tougher than work in a quarry;
The best thing’d be from time to time
Compose a puzzle all in rhyme.


The formal stance then let's explore
So we unearth this puzzle's core.
Were they learning how to shoot?
(This in my mind has taken root.)

Some wicked tongues say out of spite
That Matt has never been too bright;
But never was his brain so starving
To try to win a prize of Darwin
By training shooting in a room,
Which would be calling for ill doom.


Tell us, please, if we must know
Whence from Jake the blood did flow.
Arm or leg or chest or thigh,
Head or belly, or even his eye?

Jake was shot between brow and brow
(Which is of small relevance though)


You say that Matt is now full-grown,
Old and rich and très well-known.
I'd like to have more information,
So I'll ask of his vocation.
But it would make me quite delirious
To rhyme and list them, oh how tedious!

In the LPTF forum
Is a list of occupations.
With this, I ask, with all decorum
Help in this investigation.

Honestly and with all respect,
I against use of lists object,
Let me tell why, in all discretion:
Because so rare is Matt’s profession
That few who have the same exist
Which would too early end our list.
So please keep guessing, I promise
Once you name it, I’ll tell you what it is.
I like to keep you on your toes
(I am a sadist, I suppose).
But I can tell you, as a perk,
None of us here has the same work.
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Is he the leader of a nation
Or boss of some big corporation?
Or maybe he's a TV face,
Or one of the brave guys in space?

As for Jake who now is dead
Did he point the gun at his own head?
Or was it Matt that held the tool
That undid the life of this poor fool?

Was the rule they broke at will
"Don't point a gun, unless to kill"?
Or, in their attempts to be cool
They broke some other safety rule?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Is he the leader of a nation
Or boss of some big corporation?
Or maybe he's a TV face,
Or one of the brave guys in space?

You score, because it’s true indeed
That our Matt does a country lead.


As for Jake who now is dead
Did he point the gun at his own head?
Or was it Matt that held the tool
That undid the life of this poor fool?

I think we have said this before:
Who pulled the trigger we ignore.


Was the rule they broke at will
"Don't point a gun, unless to kill"?
Or, in their attempts to be cool
They broke some other safety rule?

The rule infringed by Jake and Matt
Is very close to what you said.
Easy to push you o’er the brink,
Yet it was not the one you think.
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To lead a great country our Matt was sent,
But will we know him as "Prime Minister" or "President"?

But now I turn to what took place,
Behind that door, which we can't trace.
There were, you said, prospects three,
Behind that door which we can't see.
"A crime, a tort of negligence,
Or breach of rule of common sense."

The first option, should be obvious: my mind goes, "Duh!"...
But do I assume right that the "crime" would be murder?
That Matt did go into the room,
Deliberately to cause Jake's doom?
Or maybe it's more likely that Jake died,
By his own hand - by suicide?

With 'negligence', it rings a bell,
May they have been roleplaying William Tell?
To shoot an item with Jake nearby,
But instead he's shot from eye to eye?
Or maybe instead that they knew not,
Whether there was a bullet there to be shot?
Was this the rule that they did break,
That did poor Jake's life unmake?

Is it that someone shot the gun,
Whether seriously or for fun,
Intended to shoot something, yes,
But not to cause this deathly mess?
Or instead is this reasoning all null,
Because they never intended, the trigger to pull?
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To lead a great country our Matt was sent,
But will we know him as "Prime Minister" or "President"?

Though of a country he’s a leader,
Of these two options he is neither.


But now I turn to what took place,
Behind that door, which we can't trace.
There were, you said, prospects three,
Behind that door which we can't see.
"A crime, a tort of negligence,
Or breach of rule of common sense."

The first option, should be obvious: my mind goes, "Duh!"...
But do I assume right that the "crime" would be murder?
That Matt did go into the room,
Deliberately to cause Jake's doom?
Or maybe it's more likely that Jake died,
By his own hand - by suicide?

With 'negligence', it rings a bell,
May they have been roleplaying William Tell?
To shoot an item with Jake nearby,
But instead he's shot from eye to eye?
Or maybe instead that they knew not,
Whether there was a bullet there to be shot?
Was this the rule that they did break,
That did poor Jake's life unmake?

Is it that someone shot the gun,
Whether seriously or for fun,
Intended to shoot something, yes,
But not to cause this deathly mess?
Or instead is this reasoning all null,
Because they never intended, the trigger to pull?


To make the answer neat and clear,
Let’s break in two your question here :
1. What really happened, we ignore it,
Vain is all effort to explore it.
2. However, we should make it clear
How in the papers did appear
The formal version of this story,
As sort of grim memento mori.
As we are searching in this matter,
Let’s drop the former, talk the latter.

This said, there was a rule indeed
Through breach of which young Jake did bleed,
Saying that something should be done
Only with an unloaded gun.
And I can add with certain vigor
They never meant to pull the trigger.
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If I were Matt's virtues loudly to sing,
How would I best address him: "First Minister"? "Chancellor"? "King"?

But, once again, back to the formal story,
With its grim details, oh so gory.
Is that we are to believe,
That dear Jake did take his leave,
Because someone's finger slipped,
Upon the trigger, with tightened grip?
Or did something else, in the gun lodge,
To shoot the bullet, that Jake couldn't dodge?

Need we know why they had the gun,
Whether seriously or for fun?
Or is it enough that we find out,
What officially happened (even if there's doubt)?
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Something else that came to mind,
In my attempt, the solution to find...
Was the gun placed against Jake's head,
As if to scare, to fill with dread?
Then something happened, some accident,
Which we're assured Matt never meant.
And Jake was shot between the eyes,
Which, naturally, led to his demise?
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Perhaps the gun was being cleaned,
When Matt did what he did not mean?
Does the rule regard where one points a gun,
Or perhaps whether the safety's on?
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If I were Matt's virtues loudly to sing,
How would I best address him: "First Minister"? "Chancellor"? "King"?


You should call him “Your Majesty“
Because, indeed, a King is he.


But, once again, back to the formal story,
With its grim details, oh so gory.
Is that we are to believe,
That dear Jake did take his leave,
Because someone's finger slipped,
Upon the trigger, with tightened grip?
Or did something else, in the gun lodge,
To shoot the bullet, that Jake couldn't dodge?

If you are still so keen to know
The correct answer, see below


Need we know why they had the gun,
Whether seriously or for fun?
Or is it enough that we find out,
What officially happened (even if there's doubt)?

There is no need for this to know.
But there’s one sombre detail though.
Which I have mentioned. Although strange,
For our puzzle there’s no change.


Something else that came to mind,
In my attempt, the solution to find...
Was the gun placed against Jake's head,
As if to scare, to fill with dread?
Then something happened, some accident,
Which we're assured Matt never meant.
And Jake was shot between the eyes,
Which, naturally, led to his demise?

Perhaps the gun was being cleaned,
When Matt did what he did not mean?
Does the rule regard where one points a gun,
Or perhaps whether the safety's on?

At least the formal press release
Informed the world the cause was this.
The broken rule goes: it‘s no fun
To try and clean a loaded gun.
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Now, although I know many things,
It does not include names of Kings.
So I went to Wikipedia,
That most maligned of all the media.
And the answer was found amongst my toil.
Should I stop; or can I $poil?
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Without the use of Wikipedia
(Though it's a great encyclopedia)
I find the answer has been given,
In a previous post it's hidden.

You said the scene is mainland Europe
"To be found most to its West."
So the King we need, I hope,
Is purely Spanish from his nest?
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Without the use of Wikipedia
(Though it's a great encyclopedia)
I find the answer has been given,
In a previous post it's hidden.

You said the scene is mainland Europe
"To be found most to its West."
So the King we need, I hope,
Is purely Spanish from his nest?

On those two answers I’ll shed light,
for one is wrong and one is right.
Matt really is the king of Spain,
The country’s different, I retain.
If you know Spanish history,
It’s easy for you to tell us why.


Now, although I know many things,
It does not include names of Kings.
So I went to Wikipedia,
That most maligned of all the media.
And the answer was found amongst my toil.
Should I stop; or can I $poil?

I have been thinking for some time
Whether this story all in rhyme
Treated by you in verse sublime
Should now be ended,
Would it not really mean a crime
To cut it greenish in its prime
Which is so splendid.

And my decision now is done,
I hope it will offend no one,
That no one scores the whole home run
But that we share it,
Like “one for all and all for one“
And, as we have shared all the fun,
Let’s share the merit.

Now this solution I propose:
That you take turns as you expose
(Of course in verse and not in prose)
The rich bonanza
Of our story as it goes,
And every one who now knows
Adds just one stanza.
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In that case, I'll start off. First, the setting!

They came from Spain,
But their grandfather's reign
By a republic was cut short.
A vacation home they had
In Portugal; too bad
That it wasn't much of a court.
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But then, one day, disaster struck,
And one of the princes was out of luck.
For Prince Alfonso ended up dead,
With a gun near his side and a bullet in his head.
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Now Juan Carlos was full of grief
And guilt; he shook like a leaf.
"We were cleaning it when it went,"
he said in Spanish, head down bent.
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Bravo! Very impressive!
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There being no-one else to continue the rhyme,
I'll finish it off, as we've had enough time
On this puzzle, with all our sweat and toil.
So I'll conclude the story, and Alhucema can $poil...


Now the official story is crystal clear,
But conspiracy stories abound, far and near.
Why did the gun go off? What happened in that room?
What caused Prince Alfonso to face his doom?
Juan wasn't a child, but a military cadet.
Did he know how to handle a gun? You bet.

So why did it happen? And who held the gun?
We will surely never know what was done,
We will never find out.

For there is still a veil of doubt.
What happened then behind the door,
We’ll never ever know for sure.
For King Juan Carlos is pretty old
And so far he has never told.
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Longer than to hatch a broiler
It took me to rhyme the

****************SPOILER***********


As I can see in admiration,
You overcame my expectation,
And in mutual collaboration
Re-told the the story,
My applause and standing ovation,
Goes to you for your imagination,
Yours is the glory.

Let me first say my Thank you
To our forerunner, Jenburdoo,
Who had a look and at once knew
But she just waited,
Until the rest had every clue,
And only then she spoyled it too
With words well weighted.

Then let me thank our Logician,
Whose strong wit and intuition
Helped us to complete our mission
And solve the riddle,
I must say with deep recognition
He wove his verse like a magician
And did not piddle.

My kudos go to Jumpingjack,
Who often put me on the rack
And very bravely she fought back
As a deft lancer,
With great bravery she did attack
And soon she did get on the track
Of the right answer.

To Gourami I must applaud,
To my brave Galfisk from abroad,
And Kalira with verse unflawed
All in good timing,
I cannot help but I stand awed
How they all earned summa cum laude
With art of rhyming.

Fleemco, Noel, and, last not least,
Torquemada the fervent priest,
Due to you all our puzzle feast
Is now well finished,
Thanks once again for drive increased,
To all of you goes, west and east,
Praise undiminished!
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Brilliant puzzle, this one is for the books :-D
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I'd like to apologize for not realizing we were supposed to ask questions in verse. I feel bad for spoiling the fun. But, very fun puzzle =)
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No need to apologize - when I was putting together the puzzle statement, I did not think or even dream of the consequences :-)) and when the first solvers begun to answer in verse, I was first surprised and only then I recognized the big challenge. I had a great (and sometimes very hard) time answering your questions, and definitely a lot of fun. I am very pleased if you felt the same.

Thank you all for the positive feedback, my vain little self is wallowing in it ;-))
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That was so much fun! It took ages to just ask a simple question though, I remember sitting in front of my laptop, scribbling and scratching out bits of verse on a piece of paper, hoping that someone wouldn't ask the same question before I'd finished and posted my rhyme! =P

This should definitely be a new puzzle form. We've had inventions like 'scrunds' and 'idiomuzzles', and now we've got... Name it for us, Alhucema! =)
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I am honoured...I've been invited to coin a word!

However, I am not sure whether I am able to think of something usable :-(( The only thing that comes to my mind is VERPONSE (a hybrid of VERSE and RESPONSE?)
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..or perhaps ANSVERSE?

Any other ideas are welcome :-))
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I think "Versponse" would work. The "s" should stay since it is in both words and provides a good crossing point.
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Sounds good!

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