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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first and the consolation prizes helped the winners out of big trouble. The rest was probably in a bigger trouble than before, partly because of the unforeseable conditions.

However, there was at least the added value. And some even say they were not really competing.

What was all this about?
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Is this a competition? Game? Involving people? Pets/Animals? Involving money?
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Is this a competition? Yes Game? No Involving people? This Pets/Animals? No Involving money? And this
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Is this a competition? Yes Game? No Involving people? This Pets/Animals? No Involving money? And this
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"And some even say they were not really competing." are the "some" participants or audience?
Is there an audience? Relevant?
"The rest" = losers?
The trouble the winners were out of - was it because of the competition?
"Bigger trouble" = "trouble winners were out of" + "trouble because of unforeseeable conditions?
Were the unforeseeable conditions natural?
Were the players individual or teams?
Was it a Sport?
World event?
Issue of prestige for a country/group of people?
Real incident?
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"And some even say they were not really competing." are the "some" participants or audience? Rather this
Is there an audience? Yes Relevant? Yesish
"The rest" = losers? Yes
The trouble the winners were out of - was it because of the competition? Difficult question. I think the closest answer is Yope if they really competed, No if they didn't
"Bigger trouble" = "trouble winners were out of" Yes + "trouble because of unforeseeable conditions? Similar answer as the last but one. Yope if they competed, Yes if they didn't.
Were the unforeseeable conditions natural? Noish
Were the players individual This or teams?
Was it a Sport? No
World event? No
Issue of prestige for a country/group of people? Yesish for group of people
Real incident? Yes
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Were the losers going to lose money?
Did the winners make a profit?
Number of participants <5?>5 relevant?
Was everyone happy at the end of the event?
Were the losers in real trouble? Financial?
Kind of competition relevant? Time relevant? Well known incident? Personal? Informal gathering of people? Formal/Professional competition?
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Were the losers going to lose money? No
Did the winners make a profit? Yes
Number of participants <5?>5 This relevant? Yes
Was everyone happy at the end of the event? No idea
Were the losers in real trouble? Yes Financial? Yes
Kind of competition relevant? Yes Time relevant? Yes Well known incident? It was queit famous at least in its time Personal? Informal gathering of people? Formal/Professional competition?
The last three questions are difficult to answer - could you please rephrase?
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Last three questions were:
Was it someone's personal experience?
Was it an informal gathering of people like a party/get-together/re-union?
Or was it a Formal/Professional competition? Between colleagues? Workers? Artists?

Did the competition involve people exhibiting their skills?
Did the winners win by chance or by their skill?
Were the participants aware before competing that they would be in trouble if they lose?
Could somebody participate but not compete?
If so, was the intention of participation to have fun?
Were the participants A?M? or children?
Was the conductor an individual? organization?
Was the location in US?
During great depression?
Financially tough times for the country?
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Last three questions were:
Was it someone's personal experience? Yes - all the persons involved
Was it an informal gathering of people like a party/get-together/re-union? No
Or was it a Formal/Professional competition? Between colleagues? Workers? Artists? No

Did the competition involve people exhibiting their skills? No
Did the winners win by chance or by their skill? Rather by chance, although they had to put in some effort as well
Were the participants aware before competing that they would be in trouble if they lose? Possibly but they were probably unable to determine the extent of the trouble
Could somebody participate but not compete? Difficult question again. I think the best answer would be Yesish
If so, was the intention of participation to have fun? Yope
Were the participants A?Yes M? No or children? No
Was the conductor an individual? This organization?
Was the location in US? No
During great depression? Yes
Financially tough times for the country? Yes
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Were the participants HAF, then?
Was the competition academic? Political? Physical? Adventurous? To do with travel? Flight? Were they trying to prove they could compete with men?
Were they competing to be the first to do something? Did they hope that this would result in business opportunities? Some other sort of unspecified advantage? Financial? Other? Or were they solely aiming for a fund of prize money? Was there even such a fund?
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Were the participants HAF, then? Yes
Was the competition academic? No Political? No Physical? This-ish Adventurous? No To do with travel? No Flight? No Were they trying to prove they could compete with men? No
Were they competing to be the first to do something? Yope Did they hope that this would result in business opportunities? No Some other sort of unspecified advantage? See below Financial? This Other? Or were they solely aiming for a fund of prize money? Yes Was there even such a fund? Yes
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Did it have to do with military/war?
Did the women have to invest something to get into the competition? Money? Time?
Was the event global? Was it local to a sect of people? Local to a country? State? Region?
Did the winners become famous?
Did the competition require presence of the participants in a common location?
Was it a single day event? two day? week? more than that?
Do these kind of events happen today?
If so, has it become customary to have this kind of an event?
Is it a popular event?
Was the conductor HAF? popular by name? popular by social status? by political status?
Is the conductor relevant?
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Did it have to do with military/war? No
Did the women have to invest something to get into the competition? Yesish Money? No Time? Noish
Was the event global? No Was it local to a sect of people? No Local to a country? This State? This - I understand country = state Region? No
Did the winners become famous? Yes
Did the competition require presence of the participants in a common location? No
Was it a single day event? No two day? No week? No more than that? Yes
Do these kind of events happen today? No
If so, has it become customary to have this kind of an event? No
Is it a popular event? I'd say yes
Was the conductor HAF? No, HAM popular by name? I'd say he became popular by name due to the event popular by social status? Yesish by political status? No
Is the conductor relevant? Very much so
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Was the country European? Asian? African?
Was it an "enter and win contest"?
Was the conductor an entrepreneur?
Was he well-known before the event? Known world wide?
Was the event related to technology? cooking? literary skill? beauty?
Did it require participants physical strength? some other physical attributes?
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Was the country European? Asian? African? Neither
Was it an "enter and win contest"? Not sure how this is meant - it was an open contest anyone meeting certain conditions was allowed to participate
Was the conductor an entrepreneur? No
Was he well-known before the event? Not sure - perhaps locally Known world wide? No
Was the event related to technology? cooking? literary skill? beauty? Neither
Did it require participants physical strength? No some other physical attributes? Yesish
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Country South American? Australia?
Would the ladies use the "effort they had to put in for the competition" in their daily lives?
Did the winners have something [other than luck] 'more' than the others?
Whatever the event required the participants to do, could the performance of a participant be measured in a scientific way, ex: meters, inches, kgs, seconds etc? Or can it be assessed but not measured, like talent, beauty etc?
Was the event a lucky draw like a lottery?
Did the organizer have some benefit from the competition other than popularity? If so, was it money?
Are the winners world-famous? famous locally? to this day?
Were the grounds of conducting this event financial? humanitarian? motivation? pleasure?
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Country South American? Australia? No to both
Would the ladies use the "effort they had to put in for the competition" in their daily lives? Yes
Did the winners have something [other than luck] 'more' than the others? Yes
Whatever the event required the participants to do, could the performance of a participant be measured in a scientific way, ex: meters, inches, kgs, seconds etc? Yes but none of those you've mentionedOr can it be assessed but not measured, like talent, beauty etc? No
Was the event a lucky draw like a lottery? No
Did the organizer have some benefit from the competition other than popularity? Yesish If so, was it money? No
Are the winners world-famous? I assume yes when this happened famous locally? Possibly to this day? Probably not
Were the grounds of conducting this event financial? humanitarian? motivation? pleasure? This is closest
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Not Asian, not African, not Australia, not Europe, not South American, and not US! That leaves only Canada. Correct? If not, Antarctica?
[No offense to Canada :P]
Was the performance recorded by the participants and sent to the organizers?
Since the participants did not have to gather, was the mode of participants by mail? phone?
Was there a jury? Was the organizer in the jury? Did he choose the jury? Were the audience the jury? Were the participants elected?
Did the competition have anything to do with participants age?
Can the performance unit a measure of time? distance? weight?
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Not Asian, not African, not Australia, not Europe, not South American, and not US! That leaves only Canada. Correct? Correct If not, Antarctica? No
[No offense to Canada :P] :-))
Was the performance recorded by the participants and sent to the organizers? No
Since the participants did not have to gather, was the mode of participants by mail? phone? No
Was there a jury? Yes Was the organizer in the jury? No Did he choose the jury? Yes Were the audience the jury? No Were the participants elected? No
Did the competition have anything to do with participants age? Yesish
Can the performance unit a measure of time? distance? weight? Please rephrase?

Oh, and a BLOOPER - the competition was limited to one city, not to the whole country. Sorry for that.
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The unit of measurement of the performance, was it a unit of time, like secs, minutes, years etc?
Was it a unit of distance, like millimeters, inches, yards, kilometers?
Was it a unit of mass/weight, like pounds, kilograms, tonnes?

Guess your Yesish for age has the answer for these.
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The unit of measurement of the performance, was it a unit of time, like secs, minutes, years etc?
Was it a unit of distance, like millimeters, inches, yards, kilometers?
Was it a unit of mass/weight, like pounds, kilograms, tonnes? None of the above, sorry

Guess your Yesish for age has the answer for these. Does it?
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Going back to the good old SI units, was the relevant base unit length? Mass? Time? Current? Temperature? Luminosity? Amount of a substance?

Was it a derived unit? If so, area? Volume? Speed? Frequency? Force? Pressure? Energy? Power? (I hope it's one of these, because I'm struggling to think of any others that might be relevant!)

Was the race restricted to people of a certain age group?
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Going back to the good old SI units, was the relevant base unit length? Mass? Time? This was a secondary unit, not the base unit. A minor BLOOPER, I think, since I said no to "time" in the previous post. Sorry for that. Current? No Temperature? No Luminosity? No Amount of a substance? Put as this, no, but this is closest by far

Was it a derived unit? If so, area? Volume? Speed? Frequency? Force? Pressure? Energy? Power? (I hope it's one of these, because I'm struggling to think of any others that might be relevant!) I am so sorry to deceive you... but No to all

Was the race restricted to people of a certain age group? Yope
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Hmm. Did the terms of the race effectively restrict participation to a certain age group? Or did they make it far more likely that it would be won by someone who belonged to that age group? Were the competitors all of a similar age?

Did the competitors expect to gain just by participating? If so, was it because the race involved doing something which would have value for them whenever they did it?

So the measurement was the rate of something? Sort of like the rate of change of an amount of something? Weight loss? Weight gain? Was it an eating contest? Was it a contest to find something? Catch fish? Pump oil?
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Hmm. Did the terms of the race effectively restrict participation to a certain age group? Yup Or did they make it far more likely that it would be won by someone who belonged to that age group? Yes Were the competitors all of a similar age? DOYD of similar

Did the competitors expect to gain just by participating? Yes If so, was it because the race involved doing something which would have value for them whenever they did it? Yes

So the measurement was the rate of something? No Sort of like the rate of change of an amount of something? Yesish, with svv of something Weight loss? Weight gain? Was it an eating contest? Was it a contest to find something? Catch fish? Pump oil? None of the above
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The measurement was something over a set period of time? Number of something? was money involved, except as prizes? Did they create something? Sell something? Were the unforeseen conditions financial? Could men have participated in the competition, if they were allowed? Charity involved?
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The measurement was something over a set period of time? Yes Number of something? And yes again was money involved, except as prizes? In the race itself, just as prizes Did they create something? Yesish, for svv of "create" Sell something? No Were the unforeseen conditions financial? YesCould men have participated in the competition, if they were allowed? No Charity involved? Yope
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Did they have kids? Are kids involved? Pregnancy? Did the biggest families get a prize? Or am I on the wrong track here?
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Did they have kids? Yes Are kids involved? Yes Pregnancy? And yes again Did the biggest families get a prize? Yes Or am I on the wrong track here? On the contrary, and here goes the



******************SPOILER*****************


Charles Vance Millar, a famous and wealthy Toronto lawyer, was also a prankster with a very peculiar sense of humour. He had no wife or children, and when he died in 1926, he left a will with several strange bequests, the biggest of which was setting a considerable prize for the Toronto mother who would give birth to the greatest number of children within the 10 years immediately following his death, as registered under the Vital Statistics Act.

This “race“, which became known as the Great Stork Derby, had large media coverage, and the competitors became household names. It ended in a tie on 31 October 1936, when it appeared that four women - Anna Katherine Smith, Kathleen Ellen Nagle, Lucy Alice Timleck, and Isabel Mary Maclean - qualified for the prize, having nine children each. Each of them received USD 125,000 (an equivalent of approximately USD 1.5 million today). Two other women were eliminated -Pauline Mae Clarke had also nine children but several were not by her husband, Lillian Kenney had actually had twelve children, but not all of them survived and she was not able to prove that they were not stillborn. As a consolation prize, the two latter women received USD 12,500 each.

The race started in the relatively wealthy 1920s, but ended during the Great Depression, when any employment was scarce and it must have been extremely difficult to feed such a big family – given that all the winning families were either on welfare or had low paying jobs. However, it seems all the “contestants“ would have had big families irrespective of the prize. They all invested the money wisely, the top priority being the children’s education.


Thank you all for participating, hope you had fun :-)).

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